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Old 12-03-2011, 07:09 PM
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Well to make a long story Short I tore 1st,2nd and 3rd gear out of my 73 camaro Thanksgiving day showing my a$$..thank goodness I had 4th gear to get home.....the only thing I felt good about it is I think the tranny had a little something wrong with it anyhow cause it would come out of 3rd gear around 4500rpm

ok here is what I am kicking around..I have always been the type of Guy to be different with the Rides I have.. I have a chance at a great deal on a Richmond 6 speed !!!!!..about a $3500 tranny for the cost of a Richmond 4 speed ?....but here is my delima...the tranny is 3.28-2.14-1.57-1.24-1.00-.76(OD).....With the 373 gears it will be like a granny tractor in 1st gear..so I would almost be forced to change my rear gear ( Maybe a 3.08 ?) then I must buy another shifter and minor floor fabrication because this tranny sits about 2 inches further backward then the 4 speed...thats really No biggie since there is no console in the car.

Now I have aired out my Cons......What are some thoughts on this idea ?

you guys see many 6 speed straight drives in 2nd generation camaro's ?

does the pro's outweigh the cons on this deal ?
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Old 12-03-2011, 07:25 PM
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Go here and become a member, everything you need to know about 2ng gen Camaro's

http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/index.php

Now from what I have read you will need a bellhousing, hydraulic clutch setup, crossmember, driveshaft and I think you might have to change the pinion angle just a hair. All the guys over there love their 5 and 6 speed converted Camaro's.
If mine ever blows I will step up!
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Old 12-03-2011, 07:29 PM
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Go here and become a member, everything you need to know about 2ng gen Camaro's

http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/index.php

Now from what I have read you will need a bellhousing, hydraulic clutch setup, crossmember, driveshaft and I think you might have to change the pinion angle just a hair. All the guys over there love their 5 and 6 speed converted Camaro's.
If mine ever blows I will step up!

daaaaaayyymm that puts it in a different shade of light for sure...wow !
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Old 12-03-2011, 07:38 PM
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Its not a cheap conversion but if you are buying the tranny cheap it will be worth the investment
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Old 12-03-2011, 09:09 PM
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Throw away the Muncie and put a iron case T10 in it and be done with it and more original. The Muncies were notorous for shelling gears, even in the day, due to case flex.

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Not sure if this helps, but I put a mid 80's richmond 5 speed (T5) in my 70 chevelle BBC car,about 5 years ago, it came with a shifter, and it was a fine spline so it went into my clutch, pressure plate set up w/o any mods but the cross member did not line up and I fab'ed a mount and put a little bigger hole in the floor, cannot remember about length of the trans and if I had to do any with the drive shaft
I also think that these trans are not as robust as I would like but I do not beat on the car at all so it has lasted so far.
I paid 275 for the T5, shifter and and attached bell housing
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Old 12-04-2011, 05:21 AM
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Zip:

You are right about Muncie flex. However the aftermarket makes a cast iron midplate that reduces it significantly- at least the ones I have thrown together for guys seem to be OK.

I put them together on the side for guys and use the cast iron midplate, the bigger front bearing, grooved bushing on number 1, and torq lock sliders as upgrades. I have a friend thrashing one right now in a high horse 65 Chevelle.

Also if you are worried about leakage where the countershaft exits the front of the case, it can be bushed there (though I use a little permatex hi-tack and it cleans up any bit of slop in the press-fit)

B, if you decide to keep the Muncie, I can rebuild it for you with the upgrades pretty reasonably- Just a fall back if you dont do the 5-6 speed upgrade.

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Old 12-04-2011, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Scorpion1110
Zip:

You are right about Muncie flex. However the aftermarket makes a cast iron midplate that reduces it significantly- at least the ones I have thrown together for guys seem to be OK.

I put them together on the side for guys and use the cast iron midplate, the bigger front bearing, grooved bushing on number 1, and torq lock sliders as upgrades. I have a friend thrashing one right now in a high horse 65 Chevelle.

Also if you are worried about leakage where the countershaft exits the front of the case, it can be bushed there (though I use a little permatex hi-tack and it cleans up any bit of slop in the press-fit)

B, if you decide to keep the Muncie, I can rebuild it for you with the upgrades pretty reasonably- Just a fall back if you dont do the 5-6 speed upgrade.

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thanks scorp this week I plan to dial in a little closer to what I want to do..my concern is that I am hard on banging gears..I cannot stand it (

I think what helped bomb this last one is that I put two friend in the back seat (more weight)...got on a deserted Stretch of PRIVATE road....dumped the clutch at 6,000 rpm, banged 2nd crosssed it up ( with a Big smile I might add) was just about to get the car straight (petal still matted I might ad) and reached to grab 3rd gear and KA-BOOM,,It sounded like I was dragging the shifter levers on the asphalt under the car,,but it was actual metal tumbling in the case.

( .. DISCLAIMER -Kids dont try this at Home...I was on a shut down Airforce base, No cars,tree's or ditches ...Zip you do remember Donaldson Center AFB just up the road from Starlight Dragstrip don't you ?)
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AND THIS IS WHY ALL MY CARS GET SLUSH BOXES!! :P
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Old 12-04-2011, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by MEMRACING62
AND THIS IS WHY ALL MY CARS GET SLUSH BOXES!! :P
YES!!!!!!!!


The T-10 is a much simplier conversion. If your clutch isnt fine spline just put a new one in and if I remember you have to change the front driveshaft yoke to a turbo 400 style? I did it about 15 years ago on my 68 Camaro.
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