plumkrazychevy

I am in agreement with bjuice. i am a retired officer also and there is too many of our fellow officers injured or killed because of things like this.brett

chevguy65

While I do agree our officers are in the face of danger on every stop, there are still way to many that use excessive force as a way to conduct everyday business.

There has got to be a happy medium.
To tase a guy for asking a question, and yes being a bit of an a'hole does not justify the use of force.
Now, if this guy had shown signs of violence, or that he had a weapon, or that he was going to run, then I feel the officer has the right and duty to do whatever is needed, short of deadly force unless a weapon is involved and the officer is truly in fear for his life.

I have heard recently that because of civil suits, that if an officer draws his weapon (gun) he better shoot to kill because if the perp lives they can face a lawsuit along with the department.
I am inclined to agree with that statement at least here in Idaho, as I have seen many fatal officer involved shootings that did NOT have to happen.
Families are still suing in several of these cases even where (the police) say it was justified.

I have the utmost respect for our officers, but I dispise the power trippers, they are not unlike the police that harassed me in the 70's.

insane4fbodys

Lets be real simple here. From a neutral stand point, if you watch this it could go both ways, with out reading just 1 side of it before watching. The biggest thing that I see, or don't hear, is the problem. Without the video and mic., the cop could get by with saying I told him to stop before I tazed him. I did not hear it. And thats the biggest of all complaints with law enforcement. The cops that don't ever tell the entire truth. Not all are like this, but if this video/tape wasn't here to prove otherwise, the judge would just accept that the cop said it and never have blinked an eye. I have paid tickets for BS like this before because a cop lied. But on the other hand I have friends that are in law enforcement that have helped the others like this to get another job in a different field. I would not dare tell a law enforcement officer their job, because too many have died over a routine stop. But in every field there is some that give the rest a bad name.

SST4530

This post was deleted by me.

Sometimes I should just keep my mouth shut! :wink:

Thanks, Bill

SST4530

Sorry about the cap's guy's. I think I'm suffering from PMS (Post Marital Syndrome) or something. Just got a little riled there for a minute. :wink:

rsrsfishslayers

I am a retired police officer and a Taser instructor. When I watched that video I was just happy to see it on tape. He told this guy as soon as he walked up to the window why he had stopped him. This trooper did everything by the book. A lot of people don't understand that when you are pulled over and issued a citation you are under arrest for a misdemeanor crime whether it be speeding or running a stop sign. Under the law, a police officer can arrest you if a misdemeanor is committed in his or her presence. And the reason you don't go to jail is that you sign the ticket to promise to appear as I am sure the trooper explained to him. It is not an admission of guilt, it is just a promise to appear. That's why we have courts, to state your case, tell your side. If you watch the last part of the video you see the subject putting his hands in his pockets and he is walking back to his car. What if he had pulled out a gun and shot that trooper??? THANK GOD HE HAD A TASER. IT COULD HAVE ESCALATED INTO DEADLY FORCE IN A BLINK. I think the taser is the one of the greatest tools ever made for law enforcement. IT WORKS!!!!

chevguy65

When used with jurist prudence. It is not a toy or a way to control a easily controllable situation.


I hate to disagree but I just watched it again.

The officer does state that he seemed to be going a little fast.
The suspect stated he did not see the sign (maybe because the police officers car was blocking it).

When the suspect asked for clarification the officer was less than cooperative.
When the suspect refused to sign it until he could see the sign and where it was the officer asked him to step out of the car.
The suspects normal reaction was that this officer was going to cooperate and show him what he had asked for in the first place.

As soon as the suspect stepped out of the car the officer had already pulled his taser and in my opinion had made up his mind to use it.

This is a blatant abuse of power.
He could have very easily cooperated with the suspect and none of that would have happened.

You state this guy was reaching into his pocket...I see two fingers that were in there already.

Cops like that give the good cops a bad name.
I have respect for our police and have had family in the state and local police and not one of them was like this jerk.


Even when I was being harassed, they were not idiots like this guy, at least I could argue and get out of my car without fear on MY life.

Yes police are at risk with every stop, but that does not give them the right to be jerks.
Listen to the beginning where the officer asks for licence and registration. He is already being beligerent to the suspect.
I think he was having a bad day and therefore nothing was going to keep him from using force on the innocent until proven guitly suspect.

In the parlance of criminal justice, a suspect is a known person suspected of committing a crime. This guy had him tried and convicted.

These are my opinions and mine alone.

Tod74

you are right that many don't know you are under arrest when pulled over...I didn't. That why I posted this video.I wanted BJUICE's take on it. I didn't have a problem with the guy getting zapped...just didn't UNDERSTAND why he was being taken in...I do now.

But I can't remember ever having to sign a ticket...and I have had plenty. Maybe I did and just don't remember it.

bjuice

[These are my opinions and mine alone.[/quote]

chevguy65

Moving to the pits

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