mrmopar622

The agreement was for the engine to be on Jimmy Naylors dyno ready to begin the dyno pulls when I arrived to pick up the engine.He then refused to dyno the engine saying it was not in writing and he was not going to do it. If everyone remembers in a earlier post he said all my Mopar parts would not work.I bought everything new from him except the Terminators,Vacuum pump and Ron's fuel(that's the parts that he was referring to that were Mopar parts and would not work)it took me 30mins-one hour to bolt everything up.
If he would have Dynoed the engine as agreed it would have saved me $500.00 (and I was lucky I did not have to pay another day,because it was not oiling to the rockers & had to be repaired)$368.48 for labor,gaskets new 9qts new oil & filter because instead of putting the correct thickness intake gasket on it they put 2 and one had slipped leaking water into the intake galley, that's $868.48. It was 197 miles one-way that equals 394 miles because of the mistakes I had to make 2 trips total 788 miles. Counting gas it wound up costing me over $1,000.00 extra plus 2 full days of my time.

We made a total of 10 dyno pulls and took the 3 best which were the last 3. We re-lashed the valves, tried different set of plugs. From looking at the graph on the dyno pull the operator could tell what changes to make from pull to pull. I thought I had made it clear earlier, we had a total of 10 pulls but took the best 3 .

Scooterz

Agreed.

Billy has not seemed to hide anything.... posted dyno, invoices, each detail has been posted, even down to recorded calls being offered up.

Guess what?? Billy does not seem like he is hiding anything. Naylor can say that "he got a great deal" (perception) & that all he does is bitch... etc & somehow that is good enough to justify Billy's complaints?

If I were to look at facts posted so far, I would say Billy has been diligent. Lets see NAYLOR be a man & actually post something non-emotional & intelligent. Balls in his court... what more can a guy ask of Billy to prove his case here???? I don't get it; but I don't claim to be an expert on this subject either.

mrmopar622

This is an email conversation between Naylor Racing & me, after 4 weeks(remember, Jimmy Naylor said the engine would be ready in 5-6 weeks Max) I was checking on the progress as well as getting some information on hotels, etc., so I could stay 1 night knowing that the dyno session would take most of the day. As you can see below, the reply from Naylor Racing showed where it was in the agreement the engine would be dynoed upon completion. In the end, Jimmy Naylor refused to dyno his own engine! After about 8 weeks, when the engine was not completed, I asked for my deposit back. Naylor's answer was NO, he knows how to scam people. He demands half the money up front and you either have to finish the deal with him or lose your money. He knows you can sue him for your money but he knows that will take at least 5-6 more months & cost you a lot more money.


P.S. Notice at the end of the email where Tom says "you'll be hearing from Jimmy soon", guess what, I never heard from Jimmy!!



James Naylor <[email protected]>

7/21/12

to me
Hello Bill,

So there isn't any confusion, Jimmy will e-mail you back with the answers concerning your motor, dyno, etc...
The closest motels, dining, etc... to us is in Sumter, about 8 miles east. When you come here take I-20 to exit 98 is correct. Once you head towards Sumter, you only go 2 miles and merge on to state road 261 on the right. Our road, FISH, is 12.5 miles on the left. Once on Fish we are 1/2 mile on the right. This is much faster, my gps always wants me to take that long way around also, I don't think it shows 261 as a finished road or something. 261 is a two lane 55mph country road, mostly farm land, so you really can't miss Fish when it comes up on the left. As for the fuel, you don't need to bring any. We carry a variety of VP race fuel in 5 gal pails, including M1.

Thanks, you'll be hearing from Jimmy soon.

TOM
Naylor Racing Engines
803-499-2293
Race Engine Parts
803-499-2292

proactionheads

Now that the holidays are over, I will try and respond to what’s been said by Mr. Humphries in this Forum. Foremost, Bill got the motor he paid for! Before building him the motor, many conversations were had, estimates drawn up, and e-mails sent. The 1100hp motor with Brodix 395MC heads, shaft rockers, Profiler tunnel ram intake, and belt drive cost $1400.00+ and was beyond his budget. Working within his $11500.00 budget, I offered a 632ci using Dart 400m heads which I would work on for no cost to make the most hp possible. If he had the time to wait on the heads to come in, and for me to do the work on them, I would do it for $11500, and it would run excellent times in his dragster. Once the build was started, Bill called several times checking on progress and was updated on what parts came in and how the head work was coming. We sent him pictures of the heads so he could see the work I had already done. His response was he couldn’t tell any work had been done, we were beyond our 4-6 week time agreement, and he wanted 1100hp. What? That was not agreed on for this motor! Apparently all the previous conversations about us helping him out by building him the most motor for $11500 went in one ear and out the other. Once we started the build no time frame was guaranteed, I was doing the work on the heads on my time at no cost! And YES there were extras I didn’t charge him for (Head work, intake work, drilled intake for injectors, and upgrade to Moroso dragster oil pan @ no cost to him). At this point to make things right I offered him a deal on a complete short block for $7148, this way he could save his money for a top end that would ultimately make him the 1100 hp he was chasing. He declined that offer because he said he was getting such a good deal on the motor I was in the process of making now. I stopped all other work in the shop to get this motor finished for him so he could pick it up ASAP. No the motor was not run on our dyno before it left. First, he wanted the motor now! Secondly, due to his attitude, and all the prep it would have taken to get ready to run (his vac pump, mandrel, carb linkage and brackets all came off his Mopar), and doing this at my expense, I had no problem not running this motor for him. (It took him 3 weeks to get the engine ready to dyno at the shop that did run it).
A 632 ci motor with 400m heads, tunnel ram with two Rons terminators on alcohol will make 1050hp. The Dyno numbers he posted look low. For a motor to drop off like it did it appears to have fuel issues to me. This motor should turn 7500 rpm with this big top end. I know this engine will run great in a dragster, I wish he would put it in and see for himself.
Intake gasket issue- The Dart 400m head has a raised runner. The intake took 1.120 and 1.060 gaskets we used 3M to glue together, it should not have leaked. If this thickness was not put back on, the intake runners will not line up with the head runners. Maybe his is his issue?
Oiling problem- I never had a BBC that had oiling problems to the top end. Maybe they didn’t prime it? If they had primed it they should have noticed that the rockers were not getting oil then, not when they were running it.
He doesn’t like my shop? I have been in business, at the same location, for 24 years. Everyone is welcome to visit. Here is a list of some of the equipment I have in my 2400sq. ft. machine shop. Sunnen VR 6000 valve grinder, Serdi valve grinder, Pro-Bal balancer, 7’ Magnaflux inspection machine, Sunnen rod machine, 54” Victor lathe, Super Flow flow bench, Sunnen CV616 honing machine, Quik-Way honing machine, Sunnen line hone machine, Rottler boring machine, DCM with BHJ decking fixture, Scledum CVN machine, 54” Bridgeport, twin brake Stuska dyno.

mrmopar622

Again, more lies & excuses from Naylor Racing Engines/Pro Action Heads. I would think any reputable engine builder would want to check into any problems on an engine he had built not make excuses.

As for the 3 weeks before getting the engine dynoed, I had to wait for my turn in line! Thanks to Jimmy Naylor's poor workmanship it cost an extra $348.76, parts & labor, another $80+ for new oil & filter, where he put 2 intake gaskets instead of the proper one-one had slipped leaking water into the engine. Everything including the extra trip cost me over $1,000.00 for work that should have already been done by Naylor. He refused to reimburse the $348.76 plus oil & filter to correct his poor workmanship much less the $1,000.00. When priming the engine that is where we found the oiling problem to the rockers. We cranked it & run it long enough to make sure it was not getting oil to the rockers. HAD THE DYNO OPERATOR NOT DISCOVERED THIS THE ENGINE WOULD NOW BE NOT JUST LOW ON HORSEPOWER BUT JUNK! The dyno work was done by one of the best men in the Southeast with the latest state-of-the-art dyno. It monitored the EGT on each cylinder at head; CO2 in each collector; fuel pressure; oil pressure & oil temp; water temp; if there would have been any kind of fuel pressure problem we would have seen it. Jimmy Naylor, do you really think anyone is going to believe the vacuum pump, fuel pump & terminators(bolt on like a carb) were Mopar parts and would not fit on a Chevrolet?
Everyone else on here can see there is a problem with this engine, and instead of addressing the problem all you have done is make excuses. WHY CAN'T YOU SEE THIS??? You can not solve a problem by making excuses.
Everyone has seen the first & final invoice and on both invoices you put 1100+hp.
Then you try to scam us with an invoice you say you sent with the Head Hunter 395 cfm heads and that was the 1100 hp engine, but you had to substitute with the Dart 400 Big M heads to stay in my budget.
If everyone would please go back up & look at his bogus invoice you will see the engine build with the Brodix Head Hunter Heads is for a 600 cu in engine, it even says it on the invoice, the second invoice, the engine you say I chose because of budget, is a 632 cu in engine build - Jimmy Naylor this is just more inconsistent lies coming from you.
Instead of all those lies would it have not been easier to have said "Looks like we have a problem, let's see what we can do to correct it."

mrmopar622

As stated in above post, you can look at estimate 1 and estimate 2 and see they are different engine builds. This shows Naylor Racing Engines/Pro Action Heads is nothing more than a scammer. The Brodix Head Hunter 395 Heads may make another 25-30 hp over the Dart Heads but as anyone knows you get approximately 1.5 hp for every cu in that equals 48 hp more out of a 632 cu in engine, so it is not hard to do the math and see the 600 cu in engine would not make as much hp as the 632

Scam Man Jimmy Naylor - Shame On You For Thinking You Could Pull A Scam Like That On All Us Racers!!
If you had put half the time into trying to solve the internal problem on the engine that you have put into all the lies and trying to SCAM everyone, the problem could have been solved already.

shawnp

Bottom line is neither of you are going to agree on anything. Now my opinion may not be the popular answer here but here it is:

Naylor--- bring the motor back and dyno it at your shop. It makes the 1050 then send him on this way. If it is the 950 he claims, you can fix the issues.

Billy- hate to say it but you seem to be the customer most shops are glad to see leave. You have high expectations on limited budget with that have it now attitude. Nothing wrong with cutting cost but your results are what your budget was. Seeing your reactions and postings, I can see the attitude that Naylor mentioned getting when on the phone with you.

My verdict, no one was scammed. Simply just 2 people that can't do business together, period. It happens. One isn't going to be pleased and the other is done trying. It's a dead issue. Walk away and let it be done.

mrmopar622

I will try to answer your questions & keep it short as possible to avoid any confusion.
1. The motor should have been dynoed per the agreement at Naylor's shop. When I contacted him about the problems with the engine that should have been his reply or him offer to have someone else do it at his expense.
2. I have said this before and will say it one more time, I asked Naylor if he could build me an engine that made at least 1100+hp. I DID NOT TELL HIM I WAS ON A BUDGET! I did not force him or ask him to make me a "good deal" he gave me a price to build an 1100+hp engine and I took him up on the price. NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS! I paid him his asking price for the 1100+hp engine. The engine I got from him only makes 947 hp. Instead of trying to work with me to correct the problem all he has done, as you can see from his 2 bogus invoices, is try to scam me further and everyone else with invoices that are completely different.
As per the phone conversations, I asked Jimmy Naylor when I first called him if it would be okay if I taped the phone conversations for my personal use and he said okay that's fine. If someone can tell me how to transfer the audio over to youtube or something similar I will post them on here for everyone to hear and this will straighten everything out. I am a nice guy & I talk to people like I want to be talked to, but if you show attitude to me, I will show attitude back!!
3. As for it being a dead issue and walking away THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN If it was a deal between 2 individuals that might be the best thing to do, but Naylor Racing Engines/Pro Action Heads is not just a business but a business doing business on here(Racing Junk). If a business advertises/claims any product, they should stand behind that product and make it right. If nothing else comes from this, but it saves another unsuspecting racer from being scammed, then it will not all be in vain. THERE ARE TO MANY PEOPLE WHO WILL WALK AWAY AND NOT CONTINUE TO FIGHT AND THAT ALLOWS NAYLOR RACING ENGINES/PRO ACTION HEADS & OTHERS LIKE HIM TO CONTINUE TO SCAM PEOPLE.
I have had several people pm me telling me I needed to take this over to Yellow Bullet, there won't be a shortage of people who are willing to help me. I plan to tell my story on every drag racing site I can find.

hammertime

One side says one thing and other says another thing .. Shawn is right you two will never agree and shouldnt do business together.

Mopar .. do you happen to have the o2's and egt's off the place you dyno'd it, you know with that thing laying over and apparently low on power for that dyno, maybe it does have a fuel issue. Id like to see some real data to support the theory of it going lean though.

mrmopar622

The dyno operator & I went over all the data and called over to a Ron's dealer and had him come over and look over the data with us.Everything is within specs.
Looking at the dyno sheet that Naylor had you post, my engine is way down on power from the beginning compared to that 1059 hp engine.