(( WARNING )) DYNOFLO ENGINES BAD DEALINGS
#71
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Originally Posted by shwtime
Originally Posted by etbird
Fastbowtie handled this in a very professional manner. He took the high road. To bad the builder did not. Bad commercial he should make it right.
#72
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this is a short block built in 2005 that the customer had a person that he refers to as a mechanic build the engine, and install it in his vehicle. I received the call about this about 10 days ago. First of all, after 16 months, there is nothing that I can say or do. Please, that is just silly. Most guys won't even talk to you about a problem after 30 days let alone 16 months. Secondly, the engine was completely assembled by this " mechanic" not a shop. Somebody did something somewhere. He did try to tell me that we didn't torque the bolts. I have two seperate people torque the bolts on every shortblock. This is specifically to avoid any issues like this from occuring. Although, now we will also include with every shortblock.a note that verifies that every bolt was double checked, but for them to also check them, not because we have issues, but because customers will try to blame anyone who touches an engine besides themselves. Let me clarify quite clearly that we are not some fly by night scammer working out of his house or some back alley shop. WE ARE A QUITE LEGITIMATE, 10,000SQFT PRO RACE SHOP, WITH MACHINE SHOP, CNC MACHINE, DYNO FACILITY, AND RETAIL SHOWROOM [SPEEDSHOP]. WE HAVE OVER 100 DART BLOCKS IN STOCK, 2 MILLION IN INVENTORY ALL HARDCORE, NO BLEMS OR JUNK. i PERSONALLY DYNO EVERY COMPLETE ENGINE PRIOR TO SHIPPING. I HAVE NEVER LOST AN ENGINE IN 8 MINUTES, I HAVE NEVER LOST AN ENGINE DUE TO LOOSE ROD BOLTS. THIS DYNO RUNS BETWEEN 3-6 ENGINES A WEEK THAT WE BUILD IN HOUSE. I HAVE DYNOED OVER 1000 ENGINES SINCE OPENING IN 1995, AND THESE FACTS ARE STILL THE SAME AND TRUE. WE ARE NOT PERFECT. BUT WE ARE ABOUT THE MOST HONEST JOINT IN THE COUNTRY, WE PROVIDE SERIOUS VALUE AND HORSEPOWER THAT NO ONE CAN MATCH FOR EVEN NEAR THE PRICE. SOME GUYS CLAIM TO HAVE SET TRACK RECORDS, YES WE HAVE TOO, BUT WE ALSO HAVE WON A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP IN 2005 IN IHRA. COUNTLESS TRACK CHAMPIONSHIPS IN CIRCLETRACK, AND DRAG. WE HAVE TOP SPEED RECORDS ON THE WATER IN VARIOUS CLASSES. SILLY ALLEGATIONS THAT WE ARE SCAMMERS, IS JUST IGNORANT. as for some of the idiots on here. 3 in particular that seem to want to talk and talk. mike the belair boys, you are just pissed because you tried to screw me and didn't get away with it. by the way an ase tech means that you took a test that says you can swap alternators woopee!!!. hammer time, you've been talkin shit for a long time, yet you never bought anything. he says everyone sucks, and then always says to go to suncoast race engines. then there is dumb ass 11 second jay nakamura who bought an engine in in 2002 ran it until 2003, then decided to relash his valves for the first time since buying the engine and he crashed all the valves bending 13 pushrods breaking 2 and dropping a valve into a piston. he then claims that we don't know how to build an engine. by the way jay is also an ase "mechanic" I guess he failed the valve lashing portion of his test. NO ONE WHO EVER BOUGHT ANYTHING FROM US WILL EVER CLAIM HONESTLY THAT WE FAILED TO SHIP A DEAD HONEST PRODUCT PERIOD. i did see a post from a guy out of canada who mentions a laundry list of engine building sins including using a 427 crank in a 454 and such, he was not referring to us. IF YOU ARE NERVOUS ABOUT ONE OF OUR ENGINES, ORDER IT AND THEN COME ON DOWN TO WATCH IT RUN ON THE DYNO [after all it is las vegas] IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT WE'LL BUILD YOU ANOTHER. I HAVE NEVER HAD A GUY COME GET HIS MOTOR WHO WAS DISAPOINTED. STILL NERVOUS, BUY THE PARTS AT THE BEST PRICES AROUND AND HAVE YOUR GUY DO THE WORK. no we don't tell people how to do it over the phone, we get paid for that. ANY QUESTIONS CAN BE DIRECTED TO ME. I AM SCOT SLOTTEN [NOT SOME LAME ALIAS LIKE THESE GUTLESS ANONYMOUS ACCUSERS] OWNER OF DYNO-FLO. 702-567-3035 SHOP HOURS 8A-6P M-F PACIFIC TIME AND MOST SAT 9-5.
#73
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ok you said a bunch of crap now replace the guys engine like a man.if you realy know what the hell you were talking about it would be clear that you screwed up.stop drinking beer and come back to reality.if you have all this inventory then it shouldn't be hard to replace your screw up.i have seen alot of people loosen the rod bolts to blow up there motor lol!!!!!!!!!!!!i would give you my number but engine assemblers like you make me what to throw up.JUST BE A MAN AND MAKE IT RIGHT
#74
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Hi, Just another note. I don't surf the forums. When someone wants to call me out in a forum, they need to tell me that they are calling me out. Yes, I am an asshole. No appology needed. It happens easily for me after I answer the same question 5 times in a row from the same guy. That is why I usually have the nice guy answer the phone. He puts up with more stuff before getting impatient than I do. What fastbowtie didn't do aside from call a public meeting requesting my response and not telling me about it, is he put himself in the middle of a deal that was fine without him. As well, he has now made accusations on line that he has done purely for his own ego, not thinking of his customer's needs. As for hurting my business, yes, these ignoramouses start smack on here without any credibility and their names are held up there like they are jesus the engine builder. As for my credibility, I have been doing this for 7 days a week for almost 12 years in the same city, for a living. I don't get weekends off, I don't work short shifts. When it comes to these engines I have been there and done that. Many people don't know as much as they need to about these monsters and then try to do it themselves. I can tell you, that in my shop, I can do everything here from machine the block to coat the pistons, port the heads and dyno the engines. I design these combos also. There is very little about my engines that anyone could know better than me. So when I speak in my defense it should carry a bit more weight than a parts changer or garage mechanic, or some guy on the fence watching with his mouth open and nothing smart to say. Yes, it is my business, yes these threads do damage, but most of my customers have better things to do than this so they don't see this, because when they do they swarm to my defense and call me to let me know about these things. that is how I found this out today. have fun guys Scot
#76
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scott your right we all are just a bunch of back yard engine builders. but you have 12yrs and i have 20yr in the biz and if you think treating people like this is good for biz then you need a tractor to pull realy hard.HERE IS A GOOGLE SEARCH of some of the people you screwed.#1WWW.LVFBODY.COM#2WWW.SILVERSTATESTANGS.C OM#3RACEPAGES.COM#4WWW.RACINGJUNK.COM and this is only a few of the sites.they all most be back yard guys to.
#77
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Well Scott I have to admit your a pretty smooth talker :lol: Lets start by saying Yes we did purchase A COMPLETE SHORTBLOCK from you in late 2005 and it took over 3 months to receive it in early 2006. All I had to do to Your bottom end was install the oil pump which we purchased locally and bolt the oilpan on which we purchased from you.
The motor was then bagged & sealed until the Brodix cylinder heads & intake arrived from brodix .Then we sent the cylinder heads & intake to Matt Helton at H.P.S for all the final top end work.
Once we got back the top end, I, Donn Waters installed the top end to Your Shortblock and all of the rest of the parts to make the engine Complete.
Once completed the engine was primed and bagged for a second time due to the fact the Camaro it was going in was being finished.
Once the Camaro got back to my shop for the final time I installed the engine in Mr Douklias Camaro only to find out we had a header Clearance problem so the headers were shipped back to Lemons where Dan Lemons took care of the problem once the headers returned and everything else was finished. In the meantime the motor was primed & sealed I do have several members of Racing Junk as well as other people that can attest to this.
When everything was ready the motor was primed for the 3rd time then started and I will have to admit it sounded pretty damn good until it ate itself 8 minutes later.
Well thats the complete story guys.
I did NOT touch or alter YOUR bottom end and accusing me of it is pretty LAME on your part .
I have tried to take the high road on all of this and let You Scott Slotten of Dynoflo settle the motor deal with Mr Douklias.
All I was asking for was an apology for what you said to me over the phone before you hungup on me and for what you said about me to other people in emails.
Now all your post tells me is that you can't admit your company can make a mistake, and the only thing Hammertime said in any of this was give a second option to someone.
Bottom line is your Company made a mistake and are too full of yourself to admit that mistakes do happen, instead you feel it nessasary to belittle others.
I myself would have been more than happy to end this with an apology. But as it seems by reading your post you are unwilling to do that for me.
Now all of this is in the open and it's gonna take more than that to make it go away.
Replace Mr douklias motor or at least give him the parts needed to repair it and we will send you all the damaged parts back in return.
And give me an apology.
The motor was then bagged & sealed until the Brodix cylinder heads & intake arrived from brodix .Then we sent the cylinder heads & intake to Matt Helton at H.P.S for all the final top end work.
Once we got back the top end, I, Donn Waters installed the top end to Your Shortblock and all of the rest of the parts to make the engine Complete.
Once completed the engine was primed and bagged for a second time due to the fact the Camaro it was going in was being finished.
Once the Camaro got back to my shop for the final time I installed the engine in Mr Douklias Camaro only to find out we had a header Clearance problem so the headers were shipped back to Lemons where Dan Lemons took care of the problem once the headers returned and everything else was finished. In the meantime the motor was primed & sealed I do have several members of Racing Junk as well as other people that can attest to this.
When everything was ready the motor was primed for the 3rd time then started and I will have to admit it sounded pretty damn good until it ate itself 8 minutes later.
Well thats the complete story guys.
I did NOT touch or alter YOUR bottom end and accusing me of it is pretty LAME on your part .
I have tried to take the high road on all of this and let You Scott Slotten of Dynoflo settle the motor deal with Mr Douklias.
All I was asking for was an apology for what you said to me over the phone before you hungup on me and for what you said about me to other people in emails.
Now all your post tells me is that you can't admit your company can make a mistake, and the only thing Hammertime said in any of this was give a second option to someone.
Bottom line is your Company made a mistake and are too full of yourself to admit that mistakes do happen, instead you feel it nessasary to belittle others.
I myself would have been more than happy to end this with an apology. But as it seems by reading your post you are unwilling to do that for me.
Now all of this is in the open and it's gonna take more than that to make it go away.
Replace Mr douklias motor or at least give him the parts needed to repair it and we will send you all the damaged parts back in return.
And give me an apology.
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SLOWMAN----DO YOU NOW RELIZE HOW DUMB YOU MUST BE!!!---ACCORDING TO SCOTT YOU DON'T TAKE CARE OF CUSTOMERS WHO GRIPE ABOUT THERE ENGINES!!!--YOU JUST LET THEM ROT INSTEAD :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: --NOBODY HAS EVER SAID SCOTT THAT ALL YOUR ENGINES ARE JUNK---THEY AREN'T---I HAVE SEEN GOOD ONES THAT COME OUT OF YOUR SHOP-- BUT---WHAT WE ARE MAD ABOUT IS YOU WON'T DO THE RIGHT THING HERE AND BE A MAN AND GIVE THE GUY THE PARTS OR ENGINE TO FIX THIS PROBLEM!!!!!!NOT ALL BACK YARD BUILDERS ARE DUMB AND DO NOT KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING---I HAVE MADE MISTAKES ON MY OWN BUT I WILL FIX IT TOOO--WILL YOU????
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#79
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Wow alot was said while I was typing, I geuss I must be a little slow :roll:
Mr Scot You were aware and had a chance to respond privately or publicly when this was in the general forum before your company was even mentioned.
And as for our Phone conversation it was on the 4th time I asked you and implied you were skating the issue after that you started raising your voice.
By the 6th time I asked you the same question & try to get a real answer thats when you were screaming at me told me you would do nothing and finally hung up on me after I Yelled back and said ( Listen A$$h%*e Your starting to PI$$ me off.
I even apologized for it in a public forum.
If your accusing me and the others of being a backyard mechanics, thats fine go ahead.
As a matter of fact I think I did get my start in the back yard OR was it the side yard I dont remember anyway I would consider myself a Good Ole Boy that tries to do right by my customers .
Mr Scot You were aware and had a chance to respond privately or publicly when this was in the general forum before your company was even mentioned.
And as for our Phone conversation it was on the 4th time I asked you and implied you were skating the issue after that you started raising your voice.
By the 6th time I asked you the same question & try to get a real answer thats when you were screaming at me told me you would do nothing and finally hung up on me after I Yelled back and said ( Listen A$$h%*e Your starting to PI$$ me off.
I even apologized for it in a public forum.
If your accusing me and the others of being a backyard mechanics, thats fine go ahead.
As a matter of fact I think I did get my start in the back yard OR was it the side yard I dont remember anyway I would consider myself a Good Ole Boy that tries to do right by my customers .
#80
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So Scott, since you have 12 years experience and since you have said your shop NEVER makes mistakes, then why do you have post after post of people that have had similar issues with you and your shop?????? (not just from this site, and from many years)
Why were all of your rod bolts finger tight?
Why do you come here and make excuses like you did with me when I messaged you and just asked for straight answers, which you never did do?
I mean if you do so much and are so good, then why not admit one of your schleps may have made a mistake and do what is right?
That is all any of us has asked yet you show your true colors by coming here and making more excuses and continuing to bash us for asking you to tell the truth.
You are a real piece of work sir, and as an admitted asshole, you need to go back to lawn mower repair.
Why were all of your rod bolts finger tight?
Why do you come here and make excuses like you did with me when I messaged you and just asked for straight answers, which you never did do?
I mean if you do so much and are so good, then why not admit one of your schleps may have made a mistake and do what is right?
That is all any of us has asked yet you show your true colors by coming here and making more excuses and continuing to bash us for asking you to tell the truth.
You are a real piece of work sir, and as an admitted asshole, you need to go back to lawn mower repair.


