Chinese look a like Little-M block
08-20-2009, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by hink
Originally Posted by hammertime
I know a shop that has a brand new PBM block sitting there waiting to be used he said it looks top notch and will know soon enough if it is or isnt 
08-20-2009, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by boostaddict
Originally Posted by hink
Originally Posted by hammertime
I know a shop that has a brand new PBM block sitting there waiting to be used he said it looks top notch and will know soon enough if it is or isnt
I beleive PBM is selling them with their name on them!!
08-20-2009, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by boostaddict
Originally Posted by hink
Originally Posted by hammertime
I know a shop that has a brand new PBM block sitting there waiting to be used he said it looks top notch and will know soon enough if it is or isnt
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=161360
Here is his quote
Originally Posted by modprodfan
I've seen both the PBM and the pro comp and they are the same block.
08-20-2009, 05:52 PM
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Re: Chinese look a like Little-M block
Originally Posted by hink
We have one in shop right now and have looked it over and checked it for brinnel test and it seems to be a very soft block as it tested in the low 140's
To give you an idea a 010 block is around 180ish and SHP block tested mid 190's and the Little-M and Big-M are mid 230's because of the nickel content.
It lools like the block is finished honed and I have not probed it out for locations for deck heights, cylinder bore loctaions, lifter bore locations ETC.
Looks like once the cylinders were honed they decked the blocka nd left a burr at the top of the cylinder as there is a zero chamfer on the tops of the cylinders.
The lifter bores have a huge ridge at the top and on the bottom of the bores I would assume from machining the soft cast iron.
With that soft of bore it would wear the cylinders out in a short time as well as the lifter bores.
The rear main cap is not even flat where the pump sets on and they have welded what it looks like a insert where the threads are.
I will post pics later on and what we find for demensions in another thead.
For right now it does not look like a very high end peice and is surely a copy cat of the Dart Little-M block
I beleive PBM is selling them with their name on them!!
To give you an idea a 010 block is around 180ish and SHP block tested mid 190's and the Little-M and Big-M are mid 230's because of the nickel content.
It lools like the block is finished honed and I have not probed it out for locations for deck heights, cylinder bore loctaions, lifter bore locations ETC.
Looks like once the cylinders were honed they decked the blocka nd left a burr at the top of the cylinder as there is a zero chamfer on the tops of the cylinders.
The lifter bores have a huge ridge at the top and on the bottom of the bores I would assume from machining the soft cast iron.
With that soft of bore it would wear the cylinders out in a short time as well as the lifter bores.
The rear main cap is not even flat where the pump sets on and they have welded what it looks like a insert where the threads are.
I will post pics later on and what we find for demensions in another thead.
For right now it does not look like a very high end peice and is surely a copy cat of the Dart Little-M block
I beleive PBM is selling them with their name on them!!
Carl, why even mention PBM? I think the people calling you out have a point.
Now I'm sure you will make a comment about how many times I have posted or not, but isn't it true that you make a habit out of starting threads like this one where you run down a product or someone elses work to make you look like some kind of hero.
Again Carl, why even throw PBM under the bus until you are 100% sure it is the same product? Why mention Wheeler in Florida?
It just doesn't show much class on your part.
Mark
08-20-2009, 06:20 PM
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I think if Hink wants to post an educated opinion on what a block may be that fine,but he dose say that he will call it block X.
It's funny that a bunch of frist time posters come out to defend a crappy block.
It's funny that a bunch of frist time posters come out to defend a crappy block.
08-20-2009, 06:39 PM
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I'm not defending the block, it may well be complete crap; but Carl shouldn't have brought PBM & Wheeler into the discussion until he can say without a doubt that they are selling the same junk.
Have you read the Terms & Conditions of this Forum? To post you have to agree, in part, to not make Libelous and Defamatory statements
etc. etc.
Carl has insinuated that PBM is having Wheeler machine these low quality blocks and then passes them off as something better. Carl doesn't know if these statements are true but he goes ahead and throws them out there anyway.
I would bet Carl would be hopping mad if someone made libelous, slanderous and defamatory statements about his work product.
Mark
Have you read the Terms & Conditions of this Forum? To post you have to agree, in part, to not make Libelous and Defamatory statements
etc. etc.
Carl has insinuated that PBM is having Wheeler machine these low quality blocks and then passes them off as something better. Carl doesn't know if these statements are true but he goes ahead and throws them out there anyway.
I would bet Carl would be hopping mad if someone made libelous, slanderous and defamatory statements about his work product.
Mark
08-20-2009, 06:40 PM
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Re: Chinese look a like Little-M block
Originally Posted by nwhp
Originally Posted by hink
We have one in shop right now and have looked it over and checked it for brinnel test and it seems to be a very soft block as it tested in the low 140's
To give you an idea a 010 block is around 180ish and SHP block tested mid 190's and the Little-M and Big-M are mid 230's because of the nickel content.
It lools like the block is finished honed and I have not probed it out for locations for deck heights, cylinder bore loctaions, lifter bore locations ETC.
Looks like once the cylinders were honed they decked the blocka nd left a burr at the top of the cylinder as there is a zero chamfer on the tops of the cylinders.
The lifter bores have a huge ridge at the top and on the bottom of the bores I would assume from machining the soft cast iron.
With that soft of bore it would wear the cylinders out in a short time as well as the lifter bores.
The rear main cap is not even flat where the pump sets on and they have welded what it looks like a insert where the threads are.
I will post pics later on and what we find for demensions in another thead.
For right now it does not look like a very high end peice and is surely a copy cat of the Dart Little-M block
I beleive PBM is selling them with their name on them!!
To give you an idea a 010 block is around 180ish and SHP block tested mid 190's and the Little-M and Big-M are mid 230's because of the nickel content.
It lools like the block is finished honed and I have not probed it out for locations for deck heights, cylinder bore loctaions, lifter bore locations ETC.
Looks like once the cylinders were honed they decked the blocka nd left a burr at the top of the cylinder as there is a zero chamfer on the tops of the cylinders.
The lifter bores have a huge ridge at the top and on the bottom of the bores I would assume from machining the soft cast iron.
With that soft of bore it would wear the cylinders out in a short time as well as the lifter bores.
The rear main cap is not even flat where the pump sets on and they have welded what it looks like a insert where the threads are.
I will post pics later on and what we find for demensions in another thead.
For right now it does not look like a very high end peice and is surely a copy cat of the Dart Little-M block
I beleive PBM is selling them with their name on them!!
Carl, why even mention PBM? I think the people calling you out have a point.
Now I'm sure you will make a comment about how many times I have posted or not, but isn't it true that you make a habit out of starting threads like this one where you run down a product or someone elses work to make you look like some kind of hero.
Again Carl, why even throw PBM under the bus until you are 100% sure it is the same product? Why mention Wheeler in Florida?
It just doesn't show much class on your part.
Mark
And the block I have matches the ones I have seen on EBAY.
Again reread my posts
You maybe the one that came over to speedtalk to start some trouble and you didn't get far over there.
http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic...17747&start=90
08-20-2009, 06:55 PM
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I talk to Dick Boyer yesterday and I told him a block was being sent to me to probe it out and I would not post the the results on the forums but would email him my findings and to the shop that is sending the block.
And by his response he seemd very interested in what I find as far as loctions and lifter bore angles ETC.
Again I have never seen a PBM block yet and I am pretty sure Wheeler is doing the machine work to the blocks and that is only here say but I have been told by enough high up people in this industry that know whats going on.
And by his response he seemd very interested in what I find as far as loctions and lifter bore angles ETC.
Again I have never seen a PBM block yet and I am pretty sure Wheeler is doing the machine work to the blocks and that is only here say but I have been told by enough high up people in this industry that know whats going on.
08-20-2009, 07:00 PM
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Re: Chinese look a like Little-M block
Originally Posted by hink
Originally Posted by nwhp
Originally Posted by hink
We have one in shop right now and have looked it over and checked it for brinnel test and it seems to be a very soft block as it tested in the low 140's
To give you an idea a 010 block is around 180ish and SHP block tested mid 190's and the Little-M and Big-M are mid 230's because of the nickel content.
It lools like the block is finished honed and I have not probed it out for locations for deck heights, cylinder bore loctaions, lifter bore locations ETC.
Looks like once the cylinders were honed they decked the blocka nd left a burr at the top of the cylinder as there is a zero chamfer on the tops of the cylinders.
The lifter bores have a huge ridge at the top and on the bottom of the bores I would assume from machining the soft cast iron.
With that soft of bore it would wear the cylinders out in a short time as well as the lifter bores.
The rear main cap is not even flat where the pump sets on and they have welded what it looks like a insert where the threads are.
I will post pics later on and what we find for demensions in another thead.
For right now it does not look like a very high end peice and is surely a copy cat of the Dart Little-M block
I beleive PBM is selling them with their name on them!!
To give you an idea a 010 block is around 180ish and SHP block tested mid 190's and the Little-M and Big-M are mid 230's because of the nickel content.
It lools like the block is finished honed and I have not probed it out for locations for deck heights, cylinder bore loctaions, lifter bore locations ETC.
Looks like once the cylinders were honed they decked the blocka nd left a burr at the top of the cylinder as there is a zero chamfer on the tops of the cylinders.
The lifter bores have a huge ridge at the top and on the bottom of the bores I would assume from machining the soft cast iron.
With that soft of bore it would wear the cylinders out in a short time as well as the lifter bores.
The rear main cap is not even flat where the pump sets on and they have welded what it looks like a insert where the threads are.
I will post pics later on and what we find for demensions in another thead.
For right now it does not look like a very high end peice and is surely a copy cat of the Dart Little-M block
I beleive PBM is selling them with their name on them!!
Carl, why even mention PBM? I think the people calling you out have a point.
Now I'm sure you will make a comment about how many times I have posted or not, but isn't it true that you make a habit out of starting threads like this one where you run down a product or someone elses work to make you look like some kind of hero.
Again Carl, why even throw PBM under the bus until you are 100% sure it is the same product? Why mention Wheeler in Florida?
It just doesn't show much class on your part.
Mark
And the block I have matches the ones I have seen on EBAY.
Again reread my posts
You maybe the one that came over to speedtalk to start some trouble and you didn't get far over there.
http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic...17747&start=90
Carl,
I post on speedtalk, but haven't about this subject.
I have read & reread your post. I will quote you:
"I beleive PBM is selling them with there name on them!!"
Again I would ask, why slander PBM & Wheeler until you know for a fact that they are guilty of what you are accusing them of doing???