Beware of "waynesworld154" Owensboro, Ky.!!! Big L

[firebird89]

Beware of buying from Wayne Baggett out of Owensboro, Ky.!!!!! "waynesworld154" I know nothing of the dragster he has listed for sale, but I used to own and technially still own the 89 Firebird he has listed for sale. ad#s 1479787/1478354/1477446. It is a titled and registered car with the title in my possesion. I also have a bill of sale showing he owes me $1,000 on the car yet to obtain the title. His useless local law enforcement will not get involved until I sue him first. I've pretty much written the 1K off to a lesson learned from a loser, however, I don't want to see anyone get riped off by the way he is misrepresenting the motor in the car. He has it adevertised in a update as a 18 dgree motor. It is NOT a 18 degree motor and he knows it. The guy is a lying little worm---beware!!!!!!

[kw89425]

i remember seeing the car on rj. i looked at his add he acts like he has had the car forever. like to many on here will say anything to make a buck. if you have the title in your name go to his county get the sherrif and go get your car. good luck

[waynesworld154]

well I knew this was coming this guy has been hasseling me for the whole time i have owned this car and i would like to thank all the people whom i have dealt with that sent me messages about this post i called him about this car and was on my way to buy the car he looked at another car didnt like it and decided not to get it i was already on my way to get his he said he would be a man of his word and sell it to me so then 2 more hrs into this trip wich was from ky to wisconsin he called said we didnt discuss payment i said u wanted certain dollar amount and that is what i have he said well i will not take a check or even a cashiers check i said good thing i brought cash another few hrs into this trip he calls and says he has to be at work at 6am and if i wasnt there before then i would just have to wait till he got off that night so i made it by 6am and had to wake him up when he came outside was as nice as could be he counted out the money asked if i wanted a reciept for the car i said no dont need it its a drag car he said he would write one anyway the reciept for the car says and i quote
SOLD TO WAYNE B. 1989 FIREBIRD DRAG CAR 8-6-08 SIGNED BY HIS NAME AND THE AMOUNT I PAID if any one wants to see this reciept send me a message on rj and i will send u a pic of it when the reciept was written he took the time to show me all about the car and even drove it on the trailer for me about a month after he called said i owed him another 1000.00 because if he didnt buythe other car the price of my car was a 1000.00 more well to make a long and sad story short he accepted payment for the car and wrote out a bill of sale i have checked with his dmv there is no title last place car was titled was schumung ill. in 1992 so the end is i bought a car he accepted money wrote out a bill of sale done deal thanks to everyone who let me know about this post i have sold and bought many car on this site and have never had any problems with anyone except this person thanks and like i said if u want to see the recipt just send a message and i will send it to u thanks

[Scorpion1110]

Both of you claim to have documentation and it can be posted on the thread. If you need instructions how, pm a Mod and they will point you in the right direction.

Two claimed Bills of Sales. Lets see them and the rest of the documentation-

Kinda like a game of chicken-lets see who blinks since you both claim to have back-up.

Scorp

[waynesworld154]

i agree totally with scorpion i didnt know how to post it here but u can go to ad no 1482676 and see the reciept that i got from him when i bought the car now who blinks thanks once again to all who pointed this out

[firebird89]

Yes--let's see who blinks now loser. I am going to go post a ad now with a pic of the title and the receipt YOU signed. Anyone with half a brain can see you folded that receipt you have. Nice one telling people it has a 18 degree motor. It wasn't enough you boned me out of a grand, now your trying to screw somebody else you sell it to also??? Wow---real nice!!! You knew it's been coming because you figured out you screwed the wrong guy maybe. As far as taking the title to the local sheriff there----I tried that route. They will not touch it unless there is a court order to retrieve. Incase you didn't see---I had posted a ad several weeks ago asking for help of the where abouts of the car. That was so I could have the local sheriffs office in his County assist me in retrieving the car. I guess they're about as usless as this guy. Go to complete race cars and see the real receipt and title now guys.

[firebird89]

And wayne--you can try and hand people on here all the B.S. you want to about how the sale went down--that's fine. We both know how the deal went. I'm not on here for the purpose of looking to take the car back. You did give me $13,500 cash---however, when you make a deal beyond that--you should really be able to follow through with it. I'd love to take you to court and burry you, but what sense would there be on my end to spend more than that grand to make you pay me what you owe me? I guess I thought holding the title and having your signature should be enough leverage with a sheriffs dept. to retrieve the car back if you didn't pay me----my mistake. Don't ever think that title will do you any good with the police alone guys. You'll lose your money just like I have. So let me say this again----I am not on here to try and browbeat this clown or try and get the car back anymore---I just happened to notice his ad today and see that he has it listed with the very same motor that was in the car when I sold it to him and he has it listed as a 18 degree motor. It is not a 18 degree motor and he knows it. I simply did not want to see him lie--cheat and screw yet another guy over like he did me ok. Is there anything wrong with that? Money is tough to come by these days and nobody should get screwed. That was my purpose here. Not to get into any kind of pissing match with a bunch of other guys to try and prove this guy gave me the shaft for a grand.

[kw89425]

yeah i saw the add befor i came to the forum. i wondered why the paper was folded when i went back and looked at firebirds add its easy to see why. looks like a pretty lame attept at a coverup

[waynesworld154]

the receipt was folded because i didnt think it was anyones business what i paid for the car now the ad shows un folded and no 1000.00 on mine by the way what about that title forget it doesnt matter look at the two reciepts and make up your own mind who added what u can clearly see i would have to erased the 1000.00 balance that just didnt happen thanks to u all i bought a car for the prescribed price paid the price and left with the car

[kw89425]

well i dont know, but its easy to see they dont match in anyway writing spacing its all different. somebody is full of it. i cant point a finger at anybody but something sure isnt right.

[firebird89]

OK guys---I just had someone ask me for the story of what the deal really consisted of. Almost sounded like a accusation of me lying. You want the story, here it is. He called me on the car and quized me on a few things. Including price obviously. I originally told him the bottom dollar on the car was $14,500 and not a dime less. He wanted me to meet him part way with the car and I said no. Couldn't do it for that price. I was already losing my butt on the car bigtime. He said ok and he'd think about it. The next day a small tire camaro popped up on RJ that looked like exactly what I was looking for. I called the guy--had him send some pics and also got his bottom dollar on the car he was selling. He told me $13,500--no less. I called wayne back up and told him that if this car was what I wanted for the $13,500 that he could take my car for $13,500. But ONLY AFTER I went and looked at the other car and had money down on it. I also told wayne again that he had to come all the way to get this car. I arranged it quickly and headed across the state over to Minn. to see this other camaro. I told wayne several times that I would only let the car go @ that price if I bought this other one. I called wayne and left him a message on his cell phone and emailed him the next morning telling him that I was going to go over and look at the other car that evening and I'd let him know. Go figure--he didn't call me back until we were half way across Wis. He then told me he had already left and had about 3 hours into the trip up to get the firebird. At that point I got pretty irritated and kept asking him why he'd leave when he knew the sale was contingant on the other car. No answer to that question and then of course he lost signal and he didn't reach me back for about another 5-6 hours. We got to the other car and it was junk. I obviosuly wasn't going to buy it so I told wayne he had better have 14.5 with him and it better be cash or he might as well head home. He deliberatly left right away(lie) so he wouldn't miss out on the deal. He started pulling this crap about how I'm not a man of my word---bla bla bla. I told him he better have the cash and he better be to my place before 6:00 a.m. because I had to get to work by 6:30. He lied about where he was the entire time. He hadn't even left when he told us he was a few hours into it. We figured he would reach my house by no later than 1:30 a.m. Geeez, he showed up at 5:55. When he had $13,500 I should've told him to head his snake ass right back where he came from, but he agreed to send me the rest of the cash and that I'd hold the title and I also have this receipt showing he owed me the grand. I should've known better, but live and learn I guess. He owes me a grand and I will get it at some point. My pics should make this pretty obvious to figure out guys.

[bjuice]

wow..ok as i see it Wayne pressed the deal ( which i have no issues with,it's business) but you gave into it firebird89...the seller is in control the entire time no matter how much pressure the buyer puts on..

back 4 yrs ago i went thru a simliar situation with a buyer from Up north, but basically he tried to low ball on my fixed price once he got here..he had no beef wth car ..i guess he thought i would cave and give in o hios pressue..but i didn't. thats is when i am at my best when the heat is on so i stood my ground and sent him packing 700 miles one way back north with an empty trailer,,bottom line i (seller) kept control of the deal.

i really have no issues with either of you, Firebird89 i am sure you learned something here that will last a lifetime..Wayne if i were in your shoes i would like to have that title, looking at the car it looks pretty nice and WILL be worth a lot more money with the title..you would get your extra 1k back getting the title. Plus i feel strongly many of your offers could hinge on the title Question..Just my experience
By not having the title you can exclude any buyers from Canada becuase the border makes them produce one..and there are many great potential buyers from Canada..i have 1st hand knowledge with this one

Many people in general will just back off a deal without a title cause you always have that chance of someone coming up making claim to the car or at least that thought in the back of you mind

it sounds like you guys ain' thatt far off from pleasing each other..how about try and make this right,it sure sounds like a good trade off for both if you could make it happen.


Brian

[firebird89]

And just so everyone knows--I reported his ad and what he was misrepresenting to RJ before I resorted to posting here in the forum. It obviosuly didn't fall into the proper hands. His ad remained on here so I simply wanted to do what I could to make people aware and maybe help keep someone from getting boned. I am going to leave my ad up with the pics of the receipt & title until morning and then remove the ad. Hated to even waste the space and post it, but the truth is the truth. Posting ads like that on the classifieds is not proper use of the site. Just be aware of what your buying--ask for proof. Keep sellers honest. At least do what you can to cover your own azz guys and gals.

[firebird89]

Your right Brian---I did give in and was too nice and trusting of the buyer. I had already said live and learn--my mistake. I do have a problem with liars and thiefs even if others don't. What happened along the way and at what point did we all have to assume a deal really isn't a deal? Pretty sad actually!!! It's called morals--my parents actaully taught them to me. AGAIN----the purpose of this post was to make others aware he is B.S.ing about the motor, not the title or the money. little wayne brought that up, not me. He must be have guilty concious. But you are right again Brian----that title could prove to be a thorn in his side considering I am going to keep as close a track on that car as I possibly can. A grand is a grand.

[bjuice]

I Don't know what is signed on the title..but with the receipt i saw you have in hand ( no matter how lame it looks) it is a promissary note sense you have a title to back it...Many professional Pic guys will go after the car for a fee and bring it back to you or you go to them...i mean they are in AND OUT with their snatch trucks...done had to do that myself. also thats another headache you have to worry about when buying something with no title,,,,you just don't ever know..thats why a man will stay away.

so my opinion of the car as i have seen it ..if its worth $13,500 to wayne without title its worth $14,500 with title... ( hands down)

just my take on it...i wish you guys luck...cause someone is gonna reach a sticking spot sooner or later DEPENDING ON WHO DOES THEIR HOME WORK AND WHO DECIDES TO COMMITT AND ACT 1ST....so the ball is in you court firebird89 how agressive you gonna take it ?

and again WAYNE I WOULD PAY HIM AND GET TITLE. its a no brainer if i were in your shoes,,you'll love this advise at resale time..trust me. :D

Good Luck...

[blownbbc]

not to get in the middle of this but was making a deal to buy car,and dont want a tow truck picking it up at the track becasue of a dispute between 2 outher people, i was more concerned about the posting about it not being a 18deg sbc which one has the docs on the motor info part numbers build shop ect,,,thanks

[Harbone]

so what about the 18 degree motor??

[firebird89]

So what about the 18 degree motor is the fact that a 18 degree motor would make the car worth more. 18 degree parts are much more expensive and make more power. He's lying about it--that's the whole issue. If your buying a 18 degree motor, that's what you should get, not a 23 degree motor, which is what it is. Not hard to figure this dude out.

[Harbone]

firebird, that question was aimed at him, not you. he still hasnt expained why he is advertising an 18 degree motor when it doesnt have one. sorry for the confusion. I quess since you still have the title and he doesnt then the story shifts more your way. I sent him a message asking if the car was street legal and he replied "no" so I assume he is selling it as a "race car" only...

[waynesworld154]

the engine is not 18 degree it is a 23 degree i was told it was 18 that is why it is advertised that way but it is not i should have checked more in to what i bought so the engine is on me but the other stuff just remember the truth will come out and i am not concerned when it does

[THERATTLER]

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :roll:

[firebird89]

Wow---this clown is a real pile!!!! He was never at any point told this was a 18 degree motor by anyone on this end. I am going to dig to try and find my old ad #s to prove how much of a idiot this loser really is. Does anyone know of a way I can find my previous ad #s???? Funny--he doesn't have much to say now does he?

[firebird89]

Your right little wayne---here's the truth. Check out all these ad #s and let me know if you spot anywhere that I advertised this 388 as a 18 degree piece--1258065--1248007--1247994--1248007--1180095--and here's the ad # that was posted while that engine was being built--1226963. We were off in our guess as to what the car would run by 2 tenths and you'll notice in ALL the other ads I was true to what the car actually ran in the 1/4 mile--9:80s. Here is one of the ads where I had the car adv. as a roller---does the ad say 18 degree small blk. headers at all? 1174964 Nope--it doesn't! I will keep digging for more ads and I'm hoping to find one of those old ads with more motor specs that I listed. I was un-happy about getting shafted before---now I'm pissed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :evil:

[Scooterz]

I read everything on this thread... Wayne you are starting to sink dude. That last post was LAME. The tides are turning against you here. "You were told it was a 18 degree motor" ??? You paid 13,500 in cash & drove for hours & you did not know/recognize it was a 23 degree motor when you got there??? Most guys pretty know what they are getting before they lay down the cash... it is SO EASY FOR YOU TO SAY YOU WERE TOLD IT WAS 18 DEGREE WHEN YOUR BACK IS TO THE WALL... of corse that is your answer. Hey, I have no problem "picking sides"... I believe firebird's story. So far, the evidence is NOT in your favor & your lame ass folded reciept is an insult to peoples intelligence. I think you OWE him $1000.00 & an apology. If I am wrong, I am sorry; but I think if firebird never posted about you in the first place, you would be fine with never paying him back what you owe, & misrepresenting the car/motor, & worse.... selling a car you don't have the title to with a dispute on top of that!!! Firebird, you may have saved someone else who does not want the headache of buying a car that technically is not really sold/closed. I wonder if you can put a lien on the title for non-payment??? Good luck. Scooter

[bigray]

well i hate to say it but its a race car..a 89 FIREBIRD he can just vin swap it...no biggie.and then he can say.something like a guy (that has now past away)built it for me and removed the vin while he was building it.so i bought a 89 firebird and swapped them,and in most states this is legal..we do it here a lot.heck i just put a vin plate on a alston chassis roadster to make it legal.passed with flying color at the oklahoma DMV and highway patrol inspection..my buddy just did it to a 92 mustang also..but it may not be legal everywhere..but you should not have released the car with out it being PAYED IN FULL....

[firebird89]

Well there you go bigray---give a thief another route to go with his already big pile of B.S. Race car or street car it is a legal titled vehicle and as long as it's documented it's the law. Here's another little addition for you----the Credit Union I originally used to finance the car still holds a legal Lien on it. They wouldn't release the Lien until I told them he paid me. He'd have to bust the car up a bit to get the vin tag out from under the cage sil plate. The Credit Union retained all the photos and info on the car from when I had it appraised by a local shop as well. Yes--I obviously shouldn't have let the car go without the other grand in my pocket---so are you saying that gives him the right to stiff me?

[firebird89]

I'm guessing by his silence that everyone can see how full of crap this guy is. Can anyone help me out with the # of a good Professional Pic guy in the Owensboro, Ky. area I can use? This turd owes me $1,000 and I guess if I have to have the car repoed to get my $$$, so be it.

[bigray]

OOOOOh no i wasn't saying to do it..iam just saying the vin plate dont meen squat.if it hasnt been tagged in 5 years.just saying in oklahoma,after 8 years its dropped from the system and you cant get a title thru normal channels..now of course all of this is oklahoma law..i feel your pain..dont get me wrong.heck i had a guy burn me a while back.he still owed me 2500.00 on a 72 nova chassis car.i just waited till he got his new 555 motor off in it and was at the track.and i showed up with the sheriff.and he hadn't swapped (YET)..title was in my name.THE LAW SAID,WELL RAY.ITS YOURS .LOAD IT UP. and i loaded the car up.WITH HIS MOTOR IN IT.AND TURNED TO THE SHERIFF AND SAID..YES SIR THATS MY MOTOR..ooooooooooooooooooh was he mad..but screw me..and i will get ya..2 weeks later the car went a 9.85 first stab down the track.had the car for 3 years after that.and there wasnt crap he could do...so the way i looked at it,he was trying to scam me.so i beat him to the punch..so shit show up at the track with the title and load it up..I DID... :lol: :lol: :lol:

[firebird89]

I hear you bigray--that was the plan, but his local law won't touch it without a order from the court. I've called them more than once. They sound about as bright as the idiot that owes me the grand. It's going to work out though--I've got a call into the Wis. State Police Motor Division and they're going to get in contact with the KY. State police Motor division. See what happens now.

[anarchyracing]

Bigray,are you saying you can legally swap the vin off one car to another in Oklahoma? I thought that was a federal crime.

[Scooterz]

Bigray,are you saying you can legally swap the vin off one car to another in Oklahoma? I thought that was a federal crime.

I know that you cannot do it here... "bill of sale" does not mean much here (In Oregon) either. I had to take my Camaro down to DMV in person & they had to inspect 2 vin #'s. They found one on the dash... could not find another. They then sent me to the state police to approve the car or find one more form of a vin on it. I had to take off the windshield wiper cowl to give them more #'s. They finnaly signed off & gave me a new title. All of this was just becasue i had an out of state title!!! I was just trying to register it in my state!! i think firebird has some recorse just by being the current title-holder with a dispute on it. I think if he pushes the right buttons, he can have justice somehow. I know DMV rules vary from state to state, but I think he has recorse. Scooter

[anarchyracing]

Yeah,we have some strange dmv laws here too. I can buy a car out of state and if I tag it I dont have to have the car there for them to inspect,if I just want to get a title only in my name I have to take the car to the dmv. I guess as long as they are getting paid the property tax on it,they dont care if it is correct or not.

[Harbone]

I bought a car out of kentucky that had a rebuilt title, filled out the title application in Illinois and the Illinois title came back to me clean? I have no idea why but I made sure the guy I sold it to knew that it had a previous rebuilt title. He didnt care as long as the current one was clean. It was also a 30 year old car...

[Scooterz]

I bought a car out of kentucky that had a rebuilt title, filled out the title application in Illinois and the Illinois title came back to me clean? I have no idea why but I made sure the guy I sold it to knew that it had a previous rebuilt title. He didnt care as long as the current one was clean. It was also a 30 year old car...

That was a blessing... cool. In reality, someone was just not probably paying attention at the DMV I guess??

[bjuice]

I bought a car out of kentucky that had a rebuilt title, filled out the title application in Illinois and the Illinois title came back to me clean? I have no idea why but I made sure the guy I sold it to knew that it had a previous rebuilt title. He didnt care as long as the current one was clean. It was also a 30 year old car...

yeah Cris thats the way some of the old Jack leg car dealers here locally wash there salvaged titles in the past. :(

[wvhippie]

I bought a car out of kentucky that had a rebuilt title, filled out the title application in Illinois and the Illinois title came back to me clean? I have no idea why but I made sure the guy I sold it to knew that it had a previous rebuilt title. He didnt care as long as the current one was clean. It was also a 30 year old car...Had the same thing happen with a KY salvaged Trans Am. When I titled it here in WV it came back clean. I didnt even realize it till I sold car to my brither and he said he couldn't find where it said salvage or rebuilt on title. I checked and it wasn't.

[bigray]

Yep.i can show a bill of sell..show that it has no vin..and was a race car.and now i want to make it a street legal car.go buy a donor car,with vin and title and swap them LEGALLY in oklahoma..also i had a 99 ford truck that i bought out of a swimming pool.YEP a swimming pool..still sitting in the bottom of it.got it running,everything fixed.and sold it to a guy in Ga.it had a rebuilder paper work.but when i sent it threw the tribal tag office it came back clear and showed only 56k miles just like the Od.said.but i told them it was a rebuiler and that the miles were not correct..the tag office said its to late.thats the way it is now..so i made DAMN sure the guy i sold it to in GA knew all this.and i even Delivered it to Atlanta GA.and flew back home..and made my honor payment...i think :oops:

[firebird89]

Where the hell is wayne with all his honesty and proof now?

[Harbone]

I would dare to say Wayne has just walked out, if he sells the car as a race car only then he has nothing to worry about. If I were you any legal action you are going to take now is the time to do it...

[firebird89]

Oh he's got plenty to worry about Chris. This little red neck thief has no idea just how much he has to worry about.

[Harbone]

:twisted: ROADTRIP!!!!

[firebird89]

:twisted:

[bjuice]

:twisted:

Hey Firebird..No Question My mind that the Guy owes you $1,000

But being the voice of reason let me say this...Not trying to discount the fact of what has happended..but you still have yourself to blame for some of this..( not trying to turn anything around on you by No means but it is what it is, i have several issues how you conducted your end,you invited a dis-honest situation to present itself before you)

But i think we have all read stories and know of someone in this world that has done something that ended up costing them much more than it started out,their Freedom and Even there lives.. (maybe if someone gave a voice of reason to them it could have helped)

I see you getting more and more Angry here...Maybe its time to back off and take a deep breath...One thing for sure you cannot Spend $1,000 with any School and get the education you just learned..

Just think about it thats all. Sometimes a man has to just walk away. (not telling you what to do just trying to make you think a little cause i don't know what your thinking)

Brian

[sandyw]

Firebird89 has started two posts.
"Beware of Wayneworld154 from Owensboro, KY" who he sold his car to.
"Never buy from Jim Edwards" who he bought a car from.

Sounds like he is upset with his buyer and his seller.
Who ever is right or wrong doesnt really matter. Bottom line is you sold your car and its a done deal.

And as a lesson to everyone who buys and sells. Go to you local office supply store and purchase a carbonless sales book, put it in your glove box so you can be better prepared for yourself and both parties have the exact same signatures and writings. Things like this should never happen.

[firebird89]

Both of your last posts have made very good and valid points. Now that you felt the need to drag up a post from a dispute from a guy that boned me on a car, I'd like to know exactly how much you know on that deal? Seeing as how the outcome no longers matters (to you). I really don't give a shit what your opinion is of my easy going personallity. If you want to bash me for being trusting and giving the benefit of the doubt---go for it. Puts you right in the same attitude and mindset of those same people that made shaddy business choices. And I don't mean lax, I mean shaddy. Not that I need to explain anything about the 95 Z I bought and got the bone on, but seeing as how some of you like to try and degrade anyone at any angle----here it is. 100% (short version) Bought this 95 Z28 from Jim Edwards out of Indiana. He had the car advertised to run low 10s on motor alone---no nos. Cold working A/C, etc... A/c blew hot, really didn't care in the least. Took the car right to Byron dragway and the best the car ran was 11:40s. My call to him managed to get a answer of he didn't know because he didn't run the car. Funny how that story changed so quickly. Car only ran a best of 11:35 when I FIXED it and sold it. Yes. FIXED it. I only got a few passes out of it because it started making noise under the bottom end. Loaded it up and headed home. Found most of the flexplate bolts backed out or missing. Further into it it appeared one had broke off in the crank flange. Geeez---it was a broken off tap. Sold me a broken car that he knew I was taking it right to the 1/4 track. Not only did he lie and say him and his buddys built it and that it ran 10:00s on motor alone and that they painted it, etc...........it was knowingly broken. I shelled out 15K for that car. I guess when a man throws down 15 clams for a car, he really shouldn't expect he's getting what he was told he was huh? Is that how we should operate while buying? Show up with a attitude because you know this car your buying is probably f-ed up right? Cop a attitude with the seller because everyone on here sells thier stuff like that and it's acceptable??? I'd bet if you did a pole, you would find tons of people that do not want to be associated with that type of mentallity. And as for my deal with the firebird---this will be about the 3rd time I've explained this, so please listen close. I proved my point that I have legal recourse---cars legaly titled in my name and the receipt I showed was obviosuly not folded or altered. Fine---However, go back to the original post I made. The whole point was to warn people they could get the shaft on this car if they delt with this worm. He is not a stright player people. The car is nice---I raced it for a few years and it's won lots of $$$, but is it worth taking a chance buying it from a shaddy guy? Do what you want. Goodluck---I'm out :D

[blowninjected540]

In my opion, if it matters, I would only buy a race car after I seen it run down the track. That way there is no problems. or BS on how fast, goes straight, this, that or the other thing. If im shelling out 15,000 I want to see proff, unless your buying a roller then thats different, then you take a buddy with you and a tape measure and make sure everything is straight and squared up and 4 eyes are better then 2, Thats my 2 cents

[firebird89]

You are exactly right!!!! You can NOT take anyones word for anything. I know there are some very honest sellers and buyers on here, unfortunately we also have some of the big liars and thiefs among us to. Blown is right--check every single possible thing you can. Never assume or take anyones word for the truth. NO EXCEPTIONS!

[bigray]

I know there are some very honest sellers and buyers on here, unfortunately we also have some of the big liars and thiefs among us to. Blown is right--check every single possible thing you can. Never assume or take anyones word for the truth. NO EXCEPTIONS!! I MUST AGREE>>>>>>>>>>

[firebird89]

So where is this little scum bag now if he's sooooo dam honest??? Haven't heard a peep out of his loser ass have we??? Some poor sucker probably bought that firebird or traded him and he doesn't even legally own it.

[kw89425]

you know i cant find his profile any more

[firebird89]

big shocker huh? I guess all of you local people down in his area know exactly what kind of loser you have amongst you now.

[bjuice]

:? :!:

Have you done anything to get your Money back yet ?

[hollowayshotrods]

He is no doubt lurking in the shadows. This ad I found under the "most recent" ads this morning.
1500343
Good luck recovering your money.

[firebird89]

I'm still waiting on the local state police to get back to me. I've also got someone local to him keeping a eye on him. I'll be heading back down to Georgia in a few weeks. Maybe I'll have to make a pit stop myself. :twisted: What do you think guys? I do like to play base ball. It would be nice to get in a little batting practice!!!! :shock:

[lotsof454sss]

WHATS A GOINON GENTLEMEN??... I see you fellas are still "Bustin Balls" and getting to the truth..I knew I was not being missed or needed and it is good to know all is well here on the greatest scammer section in the world!!!!!!!!!!

Always works out that if they answer enough questions the truth will come out!!!

[firebird89]

As a matter of fact, if any of you guys or gals out there reading this want the total truth----here is the vin# off of that Firebird--1G2FS21E7KL244728--Wisconsin title. If any of you have means to run this vin #, you will see that the car is currenlty owned by me and my wife. And if anyone does run this and does see this to be 100% true, please come on and varify that this little scum bag is selling someone elses car.

[firebird89]

Where is this little dirtbags response now? Why is it he had all the proof, but now he will not come back on here to show us? Last time I knew, or at least when people in this country had morals that is, when you had someones property and owed them money, it was theft. If you hold a title and legal registration to a vehicle, you should not have to go to their legal district and sue them to get your property back. Right or wrong?

[firebird89]

Well---looks like the cops in this guys County and State are as much red neck losers as he is. Obviosuly the law isn't going to help me uphold the law it seems. I would like to know if anyone knows if this clown still even has the car or if he's turned it on to another person??? Any info would be appreciated.

[lbtrailers]

I bought an engine from him around the end of March. He delivered it to me. It had what he said in it. Only thing is he said it had 36 runs on it. He must have missed a 3 in front of that 36. I took the engine and had in completly freshened. I am not really complaining because he sold it to me cheap enough. I was quite sure it needed to be gone through. I would have still bought it even had he been truthful about the number of runs on it. I do not feel like he burned me, because I could tell just by looking at it externally it had many more runs than advertised on it and I payed him and he went on his way. This is my first post ever in the forum. All and all Racing Junk has been great for our dealership. I have many new customers & freinds from the site. I have also made several purchases off here I was very happy with. I hope you resolve your issue with Wayne.

[firebird89]

Well, you may have still bought it "IF" he had been honest about it. Right there is enough to show you his type of business practices. Very Lame and Low. I will catch up with him eventually one way or the other. Legal or not.

[robinhorn]

What is the outcome on this deal. Doing a title search shows a prior lein that may have never been cleared but that lein holder wrote it off. I think this may have come up in your talks with him??? Did the lein ever get paid? IF not care to say why. The car was used a good faith to pay back a loan.

This whole thing just does not add up. To many questions, why did he leave with a car that was not paid for? Why would he have $13,000 to $14,000.00 on him drive that far only to be short $1,000.00 ????

What time did he get to your house to pick up the car???? Did you give him a set time Before 7 am after 6 pm???

Folded page none folded paper both equals a agreement to sell something and a agreed price. By law... Now selling a car and not provding a title means to some point you do still own the car but he does have a legal interest in it showing part ownership. What this means is... if the owner of the car takes it out on the road and kills someone with it guess what YOU are also liable for his actions. Why? you ask. Well the fact that you never went to your DMV and had the car signed over in the legal world to him. You may think signing it over to them or a bill of sale is good but it does not enter it into the DMV world.

I wonder why people think the cops are on one side or the other. What you are saying is that out of the 50,000 plus people in his home town the cops like and pic him. This is 2009 not 1930's Mayberry. The law is the law like it or not.

If you think you have full rights to the car drive down and call the state police... and repo your car. I can tell you this it's not going to happen. You signed a paper and gave him the car. Sorry but you also have made many bad statements about him and his bussiness when what you have is a civil case at best. Now when people do this and it cost people money the law has means of dealing with this as well. If he can show you cost him money because of your writen word you could end up owing him money.

I read so many of these reports on this site and wonder why people think that because they did not do the right thing they want someone to clean up the mess. Take ownership of your actions and stand up for what you feel is right. File a court case if your 100% sure you will win and get your $1,000.00 but be ready to provide a clear title.

People jump on here and say yeah he sold me a junk motor... did you check it out before you took it??? NO??? Why not. It's you hard earned money your handing over.

You know if he takes that Bill of Sale to GA they will give him a title if the vin number checks clear and no Lein on it. If it has an outstanding lein he will have to pay it off before the title will be issued.

I do not have a dog in this fight and how every it ends it ends but just because one person make the choice to stop posting I do not see that as guilty. I let the writen and spoken word make up my mind.

I do bring to the table over 20 years of investigation work with me and can tell everyone this.... this just does not add up.

[kbartley]

Good point Robinhorn. My experience w/ buying used vehicles that were financed by the previous owner is this. Yeah the owner has received the title once he has paid off the note, BUT DID THE FINANCE SIGN-OFF ON THE LOAN????? That could be the lien that you are talking about. I have had this happen twice to me in the past 5 yrs. in buying 2 used vehicle's. So I had to go back to the person I purchased it from & have them take care of that which makes me have to wait at the most 2 weeks, counting the mail delivery. So if you have a lien on this title it should be stated right there on the title. In Virginia, it's getting so that a title doesn't mean spit w/out a Bill-Of-Sale, and any Lien(s) are listed on the front of the title, you can't miss it.
I thought that I saw WaynesWorld's name in the scammer column so I decided to check it out. He replied to a wanted add I have on here either last night or this morning. BUT, after reading all of the post's about this situation has left me confused.


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[waynesworld154]

I HAVENT GONE ANYWHERE I AM RIGHT HERE EVERYDAY I HAVE READ EVERY POST PUT UP ON THIS MATTER I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE AND OWE NO ONE ANYTHING IF U WANT TO KNOW THE TRUE STORY OF ALL THIS JUST LET ME KNOW I WILL CONTACT U AND SHOW U THE MESSAGES I DO NOT HAVE ANY INTENTION OF GETTING INTO A PISSING CONTEST IN FRONT OF A COMPUTER SCREEN MOST OF THE STUFF I READ IS BULL ANYWAY GO BACK TO THE THREAD OF STUPID PEOPLE AND LOOK AT TOP SPORTSMANS VIDIEO AND THAT IS WHY I DONT RESPOND TO LIES AND HALFTRUTHS IF U WANT THE REAL STORY LET ME KNOW THANKS I HAVE READ AND AM FOLLING ROBIN HORNS ADVICE ON THIS MATTER THE PREVIOUS OWNER NEEDS TO GIVE UP THE TITLE TO SAVE US BOTH A LOT OF TROUBLE AND BELIEVE ME I HAVE SOLD CARS IN THE PAST AND STILL WISH TO THIS DAY I HADNT THAT IS THE WHOLE ISSUE HERE HE SOLD ME THE CAR AND HE EVEN TOLD ME HE DIDNT LIKE IT BUT WENT AHEAD AND SOLD IT

[dragonmaster093]

things dont sound right here if i was buying a car and didnt get title cause deal wasnt complete then i wouldnt drive away and on other hand i wouldnt let it leave till payed for my personal opinion is that pay 1000 to get title and both walk a way with life lesson dont leave till both sides are satisfied no title i would have walked away and damn sure would have made sure of price on this one here woulda brought first amount as insurance incase the other deal fell through on sellers part JMO

[waynesworld154]

HERE IS WHAT EVERYONE KEEPS MISSING IN THIS DEAL I WAS NOT TOLD THERE WAS A TITLE TO CAR PAID THE MAN MONEY FOR CAR HE ASKED IF I WANTED A RECIEPT I SAID NO IT IS A DRAG CAR SO IT DIDNT MATTER SO LUCKILY HE WROTE ONE ANYWAY GAVE IT TO ME I LEFT WITH CAR WAS NEVER TOLD ABOUT TITLE TILL 1 WEEK LATER THE 1000 HE TALKS ABOUT IS BLACKMAIL MONEY IF I WANT THE TITLE PAY MORE THAN AGREED PRICE THE LESSON HERE FOR ME IS THAT WHEN THEY SAY NO TITLE DRAG CAR ONLY TAKE THE TIME TO GO TO DMV AND DO TITLE SEARCH BUT BELIEVE IT OR NOT I AM NOT MAD AT THIS PERSON I BOUGHT THE CAR FROM. I ACTUALLY FEEL SORRY FOR HIM I WAS AT PINKS ALL OUT LAST WEEK AT INDY AND HIS BEST FRIEND CAME UP TAKING PICTURES OF CAR AND ASKED IF IT WAS HIS OLD CAR I SAID YES AND I TOLD THE GUY ABOUT THE TITLE DEAL HE SAID THE SELLER NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THAT ON MY END EVERYONE I KNOW KNOWS ABOUT THIS TILE SHOWING UP AFTER I PAID FOR CAR AND I HAVE OWNED THE CAR ALMOST A YEAR NOW AND THESE CARS I BUY AND SELL ARE AN INVESTMENT IT IS A BUSINESS TO ME I AM NOT IN LOVE WITH ANY OF THEM I BUY THEM RACE THEM FIX WHAT NEED FIXING AND RESALE THAT IS WHAT I DO SINCE THIS ALL STARTED I HAVE SOLD 5 OTHER CARS SOME HERE SOME NOT HERE MY POINT IS HE COULD HAVE JUST CALLED AND SAID I MADE A MISTAKE I WANT MY CAR BACK AND HE WOULD HAVE GOT IT BACK IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO ME LIKE I SAID IT IS BUSINESS NOT PERSONAL

[Scooterz]

Yep, I tend to agree with you guy's saying there is a piece or two missing here. Most people do not lay down thousands, then get a bill of sale, but no title?? Yet the car changes hands? weird...

Waynesworld: glad to see you make it.... almost 4 months later. What is up? You are just now chiming in after many posts & failed phone calls.... yet you seem way to cool with not having a title that is in someone elses name that you gave ALOT of money for... not to mention they are threating your ownership of the car!!! You say your not "emotional" & that it is an "investment"??? A disputed DRAG CAR w/ no title in someone elses name???? Not too good of an investment in my opinion dude. Maybe you otta define what "investment" means.... it's not that car I bet.

Firebird: You have been waiting & posting, threating w/ aid of cops, taking shots at wanyesworld evey chance you can. He has finnaly come on here & you guys are nowhere near fixing this mess. You hold the title in you & your wifes name... but no results, no repo, no money. Meanwhile, he is out racing the crap out of that car... seems he thinks he has paid in full & does not care.

I know one thing, when I get a bill of sale, hand cash over & take delivery of a car, IT IS DONE & I HAVE THE TITLE IN HAND. Otherwise, something major is wrong. I have to say that this whole thing is pretty stinky.

[ashbros]

YEAH THIS ALMOST TAKES THE CAKE.
SOMETHING SMELLS FISHY

I have a story for you. It just happened to my neighbor. He purchased a really nice boat & trailer from a guy in the next state over. No title for boat or trailer, but the seller did write him a bill of sale. This was a year and a half ago.

Last month this guy shows up with a police escort. Told the police it was his boat. Neighbor showed the policeman his bill of sale, previous seller showed him the title, Seller left with the trailer and Boat.

I WOULD HAVE NEVER BELIEVED IT IF I HAD NOT SEEN IT MYSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My neighbor sunk a ton of money into the boat and its gone. He is in the process of suing the seller, but recently dfound out the seller sold the boat to someone off craigslist and my neighbors attorney has told him it will cost about 10 to 12 thousand dollars to fit the case and the boat is only worth 20,000.

I says no matter what hes out a ton of money.

Go figure.........

[waynesworld154]

first of all rigsby there have been no phone calls and why should i respond to someone cussing and ranting and raving like a child the reason i am not emotional and no case has been filed by seller is he knows he is lying and i have the proof and there is know way in hell i will pay any other money for a car i have already paid for but what most of u are saying is if u bought a car in good faith was not told a title exsisted and a few days later the person says in there opinion u owe them another thousand dollars u would just pay it and say lesson learned well i am not that guy but you can bet that every police agency and district attorney in both states knows of this deal i have personally informed them and they have seen all the messages between the seller and i which most of u have not and would end this whole deal if u saw them and u are welcome to see these to help clear this up thanks all u have to do is ask i will give u my password u can read my messages he sent me from the start and the ones after i bought car let me know thanks

[MEMRACING62]

WOW, WHAT A MESS, I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PARINOID ABOUT TITLE ISSUES & THIS JUST REMINDS ME WHY!! WHEN I SELL CARS I TAKE THE BUYER TO CURRENCY EXCHANGE WITH ME AND DO TITLE WORK RITE THERE TO GET TITLE OUT OF MY NAME, SAME WHEN I BUY I INSIST ON GOING AND HAVING TITLE WORK DONE WITH THE SELLER THERE.

[ashbros]

MEMRACING62
x2 here

[ashbros]

Waynesworld, I do appreciate the PM you sent me, Don't give anyone your password to your user name.
Save us all from having to log on your user name. Copy and paste all info on the message board. If you don't know how to I am sure there are many on this site that would be more than happy to help you.

Respectively,
ashbros

[mopar1968]

Memracing62 --- X3 here, C-Y-A Only proper way to handle it :!: :!: :!:


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From: firebird89 To: waynesworld154 Date: 2008-09-06 12:03:39
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I've contacted your local law enforcement agency and have notified them that I will be down to retrieve my car or my $1,000 you owe me--I will have proof of ownership in hand. You pulled one on me and your going to have to own up to it now Wayne. The car was priced to you for 13.5 if I bought that car for 13.5 only. The price otherwise was 14.5 and not a dime less. Who do you think the local law will tend to by you Wayne? You, or another law official that heard our entire conversation? I think your forgetting my co-pilot was a police officer. I should've told you to turn around right then and there for being so ignorant---so now I take the car back--you go to jail for theft, or you give me the $1,000 you owe me. I'll spend 5K to to 1K, I really don't care at this point.

On [2008-08-09 00:47:58] waynesworld154 wrote:
>
> i didnt do anything but buy a car that was priced to me for 13,500 dollars which you accepted and you made out both copies of bill of sale that we both signed and as far as i am concerned this is a legal and binding deal i am sorry the other car was not what you wanted and that you are not happybut we both know that when you sell a car with a bill of sale it is a legal sale i thought threw our conversations that this could be a friendship about the car but i see that that isnt the way you do business and please dont try to threaten me because it will not intimidate me we agreed on a price you recieved that price and i took delivery you counted the cash and you drove the car on the trailer and shook my hand and told me good luck as far as i am concerned it was a good deal and a done deal
> On [2008-08-08 18:33:11] firebird89 wrote:
> > Wayne----the way I see it, you owe me a grand. We had a agreement and you took total adavntage of the situtation. I should've just told you to turn around and go home since you couldn't wait to see if I was buying thay other car at 13.5 I'm sure your going to tell me to stick up my ass---but that will simply be your mistake Wayne. Trust me when I tell you I've got recourse that I could take and it would be totally legal. You and I both know you weasled this deal out of me, so you make the call. Settle this the right way---or the hard way. Which one is it going to be? You can pretend you didn't get this just like you pretended you didn't get my email from Monday night, but I've got that saved as well. I'm giving you 3 days to give me your answer before we take this further. If you would like to verfiy this info--the friend of mine that was with me in the car Tuesday night and listened to our conversation is a Green Bay cop. You can verify it all you want by calling the station. Ask them if there is a J. Young there. He backs me 100% on this.
> >
> > On [2008-08-03 22:44:52] waynesworld154 wrote:
> > > ok
> > >
> > > On [2008-08-03 22:37:27] firebird89 wrote:
> > > > I'll get some pics to you right now Wayne. I'll also try and send that one video. Hopfully you can open and play it. If you need any other pics or info Wayne, just let me know. Thanks! Rick
> > > >
> > > > On [2008-08-03 20:56:39] waynesworld154 wrote:
> > > > > send pics to [email protected] thanks
> > > >
> > >
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[waynesworld154]

sorry read from bottom to top on the dates messages sent bought car on 8-06-08 this should straighten all this mess out thanks for advice

[ashbros]

Thats all the communivcations you have. How bout a copy of the bill of sale.

This transaction is a weird one.

[Harbone]

So where did firebird go? I dont think its unusual to buy a drag car without a title, I have had 2 of them myself. Its been almost a year now and still no legal recourse. Sounds like waynesworld bought a dragcar for $13.5 with a bill of sale, done deal...

[mopar1968]

Amen ''Harbone'' I have two myself, owned for three years now, no problem :!: :!:

''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

[ashbros]

hardbone & mopar I know what ya mean.

I am not taking any side yet, but its kind of odd that this waynesworld had been getting his a$$ ripped for such a long time yet it really soesn't appear either of them have very much documented info except for a bill of sale.

Anyone have a link to the old ad?

I could also see how the car could have been sold for 14,500 and the seller could have said I will hold onto the title until you send me the x=tra grand, and the buyer left knowing he would never send the grand and maybe he did not even want the title...

I am just saying.................................... We may never know....

[Scooterz]

Waynesworld: I got your PM; thankyou. I think we can look at this as a "deal gone bad" no matter the specifics. Bottom line: #1 Waynesworld paid 13,500 for a drag car & got a bill of sale. #2 IT WAS AFTER THAT SALE that this $1000.00 came into play as being owed to firebird the best I can tell. Man- that is piss poor buisness/negotiation!! After all, waynesworld DID PAY "13,500" DOLLARS & drove away w/ the car at Firebird's approval. Therefore, my opinion is AT THE VERY LEAST this was a pooly negotiated transaction if the seller says at a later date that the buyer must come up with a grand more. It is my understanding based on what I have read & been told that THE TITLE TO THIS CAR WAS NOT DISCLOSED UNTIL THE SELLER DEMANDED MORE MONEY. Last, my challenge to waynesworl & firebird:

1. scan the bill of sale & post it here.
2. scan the title & post it here.
3. give the original ad# & post it here.
4. Post relevant documented deal/agreement from original document & scan.

FAILURE OF THE FIRST 2 ITEMS BEING POSTED HERE MEANS SOMEONE IS NOT BEING HONEST.

Man up & lets put it all on the table boys. Scooter

[waynesworld154]

SORRY I DONT KNOW HOW TO PUT PIC ON HERE BUT LOOK AT AD 1571614 HERE IS MY RECIEPT THE SIGHT WILL NOT PULL UP ORIGINAL ADS ON CAR BUT WHO LEAVES WITH YOUR CAR OWEING YOU A 1000.00 AND YOU HOLD THE TITLE TILL THE PERSON PAYS YOU READ THE MESSAGES I POSTED THERE IS NO MENTION OF A TITLE TILL WAY AFTER I WAS HOME BUT ANYWAY YOU WOULD NOT LET THE CAR LEAVE THE YARD TILL PAID IN FULL TRUE THANKS THIS IS ALL THE DOCUMENTATION I HAVE IS THE BILL OF SALE AND THE MESSAGES

[waynesworld154]

WENT THROUGH MY DOCUMENTS AND HAVE THE AD # FOR CAR WAS 1276181 AND AD # FOR TITLE AND HIS RECEIPT IS 1482703 LOOK AT THE RECEIPTS VERY CAREFULLY AND YOU WILL SE HE HAS ALTERED HIS BOTH ARE IDENTICAL EXCEPT FOR THE PART ABOUT RECEIVED AND BALANCE AND IF ALL THIS WERE TRUE MY RECEIPT WOULD HAVE THE BALANCE AND RECIEVED AS YOU CAN SEE THESE ARE WRITTEN IN INK WITH NO WAY TO ALTER MINE BUT HIS HAS BEEN ADDED TO I JUST WANT THE TITLE WHICH I WILL NEVER GET BUT MOST OF ALL FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET MY GOOD NAME BACK THANKS TO ALL WHO HAVE HELPED IN THIS ADVENTURE

[I972Nova]

I have nothing at all in this, but I have read the whole post and I think mr Firebird should just quit bad mouthing you.

We have all sold cars and regretted it, but I doubt any of us has tried this sort of shananagans to make the deal better.

It seems that Wayne bought the car for 13,500 and has the bill of sale to prove it, what is wrote on firebird's bill of sale could be done by anyone at anytime.

The only question I have is to Wayne, does your signature look like the one on firebird's bill of sale? Or is it a forgery?

Thats my .02

[waynesworld154]

that is my signature the mistake i made was signing it with enough room left under his name for him to ad to it believe me this has not happened since on anything i sell and if i owed the money wouldnt my reciept match his instead of the reciepts matching except the add on by him my only problem is how do i get my name back just like kbartley put i have a carb he needs totally gone through ran once just to make sure it was ok but he says he is confused about all the posts how do i fix that since all i did was give the man money he wanted and left with the car this deal has cost me a lot of money which like i said i am following the advice given to me by all of you and i thank you all for finally seeing what has really gone on here the lesson here is like someone posted here always carry a carbon reciept book that makes 3 copies i found them at staples for less than 5 bucks

[I972Nova]

Thats the worst part is that your name has been ran through the ringer. I personally wouldnt have any problem dealing with you in the future.

[Scooterz]

Yep, the fact is that Waynes paid 13,500 for a car that was agreed he could take away... no one disputes that it seems.

So, that does make Firebird look bad when he comes here saying that he is owed another 1000 & mysterously says he has a title after making a bill of sale.

Where is Firebird anyways????

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[Tod74]

ROFL @ $776 asking price on the ad showing the bill of sale. :lol:

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Mopar LOL LOL You killing me man, Help my ribs hurt....

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From: davidbill1 To: waynesworld154 Date: 2009-06-13 10:50:30
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Re: Ad #1571614 - UYKT

Hello Seller,
I'm interested in purchasing your item with no delay...but first,What is the final price of the item?Will you be accepting a US certified Cashiers Check?Contact me with the present state of the item and your contact information as soon as possible.

Name:
Home Address:
City:
State:
Zipcode:
Phone Number/Office Number:

Note that you dont need to worry about shipping as i have a private shipping company that will take care of the shipping and delivery of the item once payment is been received by you.I'll like to have the response to these question in your earliest conviniency.

You can contact me via email on [email protected] to hear from you soon.

Thanks.
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[Tod74]

:D
That isn't him!! That is a typical scammer SPAM email. Theyv are trying to get your personal information.

[waynesworld154]

yeah i new it wasnt him just wanted people to not do this thanks

[mopar1968]

Yeah i agree, don't answer that crap :!: :!: We all at one point and time have gotten that scam :!: :!: Shoot we love catching these a$$ clown's scamming people, then they just go bye,bye :!: :!:


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[kbartley]

Yeah I just found out today from a buddy of mine that is selling one of his FED's on here that he actually got a ups delivered check for $1800.00 more then the asking price handed to him on thursday. He said he didnt think something was right so he took it to the bank and just gave it to the branch manager and she called the phone # on the form w/ the check. She ended up talking to someone at a mosloem religion church. Of coarse the church didn't know anything about it?OR DID THEY, HMMMM???

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[waynesworld154]

Okay Firebird, this is where it ends. I have already taken legal matters into my own hands with all of the documentation from both sides. If you want to keep playing this game lets play! Be careful, you will owe me all of the money I have lost from you bashing my name ( and you can believe i have kept all the records of those who did not buy because they were confused from your ads) when you know you changed your bill of sale and disclosed a title after the transaction was made. Be a man and do what your going to do or just give it up already. It has almost been a year since I have put up with your childish games. Im done. So come on and come get what you think is yours or just admit you have sellers remorse and are trying to pin it on me. As far as im concerned this is over. This will either be settled in court or you can just send me the title which is rightfully mine and walk away...its up to you.



Okay, for all of you who read this forum, and you know who you are. There has been an add placed on complete race cars by firebird with picture of the title. Now tell me...how do we stop this from happening? He knows he has been found out for being the one that has been untruthful in the sale of this vehicle and will not plead his case in the forum. Thank you. Any advice you have I would appreciate. As I said above, I have already taken the legal action necessary on my side should this come to a fight...which it will if the title is not forwarded to me. How do I get my name back???

Now I beleive it is time for racing junk to get invovled and ban this guy from posting ads and ranting lies about others. Anyone know of any other avenues to go?? Maybe the monerators could get involved??

Something has to be done for things like this not to happen to anyone else. Thanks.

[hammertime]

call rj tomorrow tell them whats going on .. I talked to Waynesworld yesterday via phone and he is a heck of a nice guy.

[Scooterz]

Hello Wayne,

I got your other PM, thanks. I am going to have to side w/ you on this I think...

You seem to be honest, not rying to hide, willing to talk & plea your case. Given the circumstances, the whole thing is shady on firebirds side anyways. The facts are that you bought this car. You got a bill of sale. The title was brought into question later. If there was an agreement for an extra 1000.00 then it was poorly negotiated in an ambiguous manner by the seller anyways... which was as he cliams contengent upon the purchase of another vechile??? Sounds dubious at best... The seller has taken every opertunity to bash you; on a regular basis, but does not come on here to reply at this point.... to me, that shows he is not willing to face the facts found here. he has just dissapeared...

The question of "what can you do" is best for the experts such as Scorp or the RJ mods. I unfortunately would not know the basis of how to fix this one. Who knows if there really is a title??? But he has slandered you big-time. I think firebird is a coward & I will be surprised if he returns... if he does, he will be more interested in bashing you rather than peacefully resolving this matter. Good luck & God bless, Scooter

[Tod74]

I tell you how to fix him...but it will cost you...take that car out on the street and ram it into someones house then take off and leave it!! guess who they will go after!!

[MEMRACING62]

I tell you how to fix him...but it will cost you...take that car out on the street and ram it into someones house then take off and leave it!! guess who they will go after!! X2, THATS WHY WHEN I SELL I TAKE BUYER TO CURRENCY EXCHANGE AND TITLE IS DONE IMMEDIATELY, IF THERES A PROBLEM WITH THAT, NO DEAL.

[firebird89]

So it finally came back to the forum huh? Good!! But it's funny how whoever is on here making all the posts is who you vultures side with. You know what--buy the car. Get boned. See if I give a crap. I haven't been back to this forum since our last go around, so give a person the opportunity to defend themselves at least. If you just chimmed in on this forum and think wayne is such a honest guy, maybe you had better go back a few pages and dig a little deeper before jumping on the band wagon so quick. And wayne, don't threaten me. Bring legal action--your forgetting who owes me $1,000. And guttless Tod74---I'm sure wayne wouldn't be stupid enough to do such a idiotic move. Maybe you would. But after our last go around on this car I'm quite sure he was smart enough to remove the vin tag. Oh and by the way--I've got witness to our conversation and he happens to be a local police officer. The only reason I haven't had the car recovered is the simple fact that it costs plenty of $$$ to chase after a loser in Kentucky while living a few States away.

[mopar1968]

Well i am glad to see you back on here, you went away so what is one to think? If you start something you need to see it thru :!: :!:


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[firebird89]

OK I just got another pm asking me why I don't tell my side of the story. Like I said in my last post--go back several pages and read the strory line people. I explained my stroy in quite detail several pages back and early on in this series of events. If you can't read back far enough to get the story from the begining, keep your accusations to yourself. I wasn't aware that it had even come active here on the forum again til just a few minutes ago when I got home from work. I seriously could care less if he sells the car or not. In all actuallity the car is a very nice piece of equipment---it's the seller you need to be careful of. And that is my whole point behind the postings. Bottom line is he took the car agreeing to send me my 1K and he'd get the title to the car in return. There's no more or no less to the story---Period!!! And to the yahoo that sent me a message on the vette wondering if I'd hold the title for the vette for ransom////NO I wouldn't, because I'd never let a car leave my sight again without having payment in full. Title or not----you simply can't trust people.

[firebird89]

One other small detail I'd like to point out here---on mr. honest waynes one ad for the firebird, he has it posted "no title" "bill of sale only" #1 He's known from day one this car was titled #2 he's also known for some time that he and I are having a dispute over the 1K owed and turning the title over. But he's such a great and honest guy huh? OK

[Tod74]

. And guttless Tod74 .

Well actually my gut is a bit too large...but thanks !! . :lol:

[firebird89]

anytime :wink:

[waynesworld154]

why dont u post a copy of your reciept so all can see how u have altered it and u never said a word about a title but i would like to thank u for at least telling the truth about the car but as far as the rest i kept telling u the truth would come out and as far as the cop listening while u and i are on the phone who cares it is called hearsay. I also had someone in the vehicle with me and the only thing she heard was my side of the conversation...as did your friend.I am not threating you with anything but the truth. there are 3 people that know what happened that is you me and god i dont like this whole sitituation i paid u you signed bill of sale then produce a title later lets just end this deal and send me the title to the car we both know the lein was wrote off a long time ago your credit union told me and the investigator that. it has been almost a year that this he said she said has been going on time to let it go just send title like u should have done in the first place remember you took the money counted it made out reciept and drove car on trailer for me shook my hand and told me good luck i got a real winning car and i have a witness to that

[waynesworld154]

For those of you still on the fence and to those of you who are supporting me. I have a few points about the title and why he did not disclose it to me.

1.if the title had a lien on it when it was sold he would not be able to sign it over to me.

2. the lien on the car has been written off which means the loan was not paid and the bank took a loss. Title still shows the credit union as a lien holder according to his ad # 1574778 soooo he couldn't sign the title over to me without owing at the DMV.

3. In firebirds own words (you can go back and read all posting in the forum) the bank wont remove the lean until wayne pays me the 1,000 dollars. We all know the bank doesnt care about wayne. If you have a loan the payment is due when the payment is due. The bank does not have a contract with me and the car would not have been authorized by the bank to sell unless the loan was paid.

We report You decide.......

[robinhorn]

firebird89, In my post I asked a few quetions and yet to see you reply to them. Care to answer all the questions????

You sure seem to make blanket statments that the cops are on the buyers side, your going to repo the car BLA BLA BLA, I would like to see you try. You had better have you ducks in a row my friend.... you could find yourself in jail on Grand Theft charges. Your about one post away from this guy owning you in court. I can tell by the statements you make you are clueless when it comes to how the court system works. You had better brush up on them and locate a good civil attorney. Care to guess the rate of a so so attorney... let us just say, $175.00 per hour. Yes that is $175.00 per hour with a minium of 8 hours paid up front $1400.00 just to review your case and offer advise. Or you could just go on people's court and have your case settled. Free trip to NY and they even pay you to be on the show. That way the whole world will see both of you and the loser will have to face the public as such.

You see the sad side of the court system is he can sue you without an attorney because he has the car and a bill of sale, you sold a car that has a title and failed to complete the proper paperwork at YOUR local "State DMV". Remember what I said before you are still liable if anything happens with that car an another person or even HIM.

The guy spent over $13,000.00 dollars and you gave him the car and now you have a title that you post showing a lein and the fact that you knew it had a lein. This only makes his case all the better.

Keep holding that title and posting it.... I will set back and laugh when it blows up in your face. Oh it will my friend it will.

Check case law for this and you will not be able to get that title out of your name fast enough. Well that is if you have anything to lose, not sure on just what you do and don't own and don't care to spend anymore time looking it up.

[MEMRACING62]

IF THE CAR STILL HAS A LEIN ON IT , ISN'T THE BANK STILL THE OFFICAL OWNER OF THE CAR? WOULDN'T SELLING SOMETHING THAT YOU DONT OWN BE A CRIME?

[robinhorn]

IF THE CAR STILL HAS A LEIN ON IT , ISN'T THE BANK STILL THE OFFICAL OWNER OF THE CAR? WOULDN'T SELLING SOMETHING THAT YOU DONT OWN BE A CRIME?

Yes if the bank wants to make an issue about it because the seller has made statements that he has received funds for it and is demanding the $1,000.00 be paid. Let us not forget the thing we all love most, paying the IRS. Wow now it would be a bad thing if the person who bought the car was able to provide the IRS the bill of sale and see if the seller claimed it as income at the end of the year. Remember this is cash sale for profit and has to be reported. Awww and the state who lost the taxes from the $13,500.00 sale...

I think I would keep calling the buyer all the bad names I could think of and post as many things about the sale I could only to have them used against me later. Remember anything you post in public can and will be used against you

[firebird89]

The bank simply wont release the lein per my request. The car was paid off before he ever even came and got it. Grand theft charges--think not. Seems to me a good majority of you dimwitted geniuses have nothing better to do than come on here and ad useless comments on a subject you know nothing about. Sorry, I don't have the time or the desire to go back and read all your questions to me---oh well, I actually work. I'm not on trial here, especially to a forum of vultures. And I certainly don't have to answer any questions to try and substantiate myself to you people. If you'd rather take the side of a sidewinder that dodges out on following all the way through with a deal---go for it!!! What's illegal is not paying someone money you agreed on--that's what's illegal so please---go ahead and take it to court here. That would save me from having to come down there to do it. Want the info wayne? The county the transaction took place in? Want the phone # of the courthouse? You want to threaten me with rediculous crap after ramming me on a deal---please follow through.

[MEMRACING62]

AH YES, THE IRS OUR GOVERMENT ALLIGATOR ON CRACK. IF MONEY WAS NOT DECLARED I WOULD NOT WANT TO BE FIREBIRD89 :!: :shock:

[firebird89]

robinhorn---maybe you should get your facts straight before you shoot your big mouth off!!!

[waynesworld154]

no thanks i have that info already

[firebird89]

Go ahead and contact the IRS PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hear a shit load of dip shit threats and no action!! How stupid are you people hey??? I hold a LEGAL title for this car and for good reason!!! I was the idiot good enough to let him take the car and agree to hold the title for my money until he got home---that was my mistake and I had admitted that long ago in this forum. But I'll be dammed if I'm going to sit here and crawl in a hole from frivilous threats. I am 100% in the right in this matter, so PLEASE go ahead and call the IRS--the bank--the police---take it to court.. PLEASE DO IT and stop talking about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[firebird89]

Better yet--wayne, you were asked several pages and months ago why you don't just come clean on the deal, pay me the $1,000 you owe me and you'll get the clean title for the car like we agreed on??? Why not just be a man of your word and go good on the deal so it will all go away? Do you seriously think I have enjoyed getting screwed out of 1K by you?

[waynesworld154]

Here it is in his own words. This is a copy of his posting in this forum. 1st is a copy he posted when everyone was bashing me. 2nd is a posting he just posted tonight. Which is it??? Is their a lein on the vehicle that the bank is waiting for me to pay. Or was the lien paid before I even bought the car???


1st post
**Well there you go bigray---give a thief another route to go with his already big pile of B.S. Race car or street car it is a legal titled vehicle and as long as it's documented it's the law. Here's another little addition for you----the Credit Union I originally used to finance the car still holds a legal Lien on it. They wouldn't release the Lien until I told them he paid me. He'd have to bust the car up a bit to get the vin tag out from under the cage sil plate. The Credit Union retained all the photos and info on the car from when I had it appraised by a local shop as well. Yes--I obviously shouldn't have let the car go without the other grand in my pocket---so are you saying that gives him the right to stiff me?


2nd post is on this page. Maybe you should go back and read the forum so you can keep your lies straight.

[hammertime]

firebird I'd never buy a damn thing from u .. and anyone who gets on here and reads this shouldnt either. Read all this crap, if your gonna take him to court go ahead and do it and be done with it. Untill that this thread is dead :!: :arrow: :idea: :!: :wink:

[waynesworld154]

1st post is on page 2 so you can read yourself u got to love copy and paste

[mopar1968]

Well Damn :!: :!: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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[firebird89]

What the hell is it you don't understand? It's the same dam thing I just said. Obviously your a bunch of inbred idiots! Is there something you don't understand about a lein??? A lein is a document that needs to be signed off to make transfer of ownership possible. I eventually asked the bank to hold the lein on the vehicle even though it was paid off just so I had some legal clout. When he picked the car up I had the lein release as well as the title. Had he had the 14.5 he would've taken a clean title with him. Just because I had a release for the lein doesn't make it automatically released. It has to be put into the DMV system via the lein release I already had at the time OR the bank submitting documentation to the State. Therefore I requested they not submit a lein release to the State because of the situation at hand. This forum is obviosusly for idiots with nothing better to do. Enjoy it!! I'm done with it!! And as far as your title wayne--you can count on getting it--never! Keep your $1,000. I don't even want it anymore thief! And to the genius who would never buy from me--don't. Good for you. When I sell something--it's exactly what I say it is and I've NEVER thrown the screws to anyone on anything I've sold or traded, so your loss. Certainly not mine!! Enjoy your forum. I can see it is truely useless for the most part. You can't squeeze blood from a rock, so keep the 1K. I seriously have better things to do with my time than argue with people that really don't have a clue!!

[waynesworld154]

ROTFLMAO

IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS IN INBRED ENGLISH IT MEANS ROLLING ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING MY A\\ OFF

FUNNY HOW U DONT HAVE TIME THIS IS YOUR BABY YOU STARTED THIS THREAD ON THIS FORUM

[mopar1968]

Don't mean to offend anyone, But anyone other than myself thinks this thread is like beating a dead horse :!: :!: No matter how long it goes on it isn't going anywhere :!: :!: :? :?

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[MEMRACING62]

MORE THAN DEAD, ADVANCED DECOMPOSITION :?

[mopar1968]

''Memracing62'' :lol: :lol: :lol:


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[ashbros]

I have bought hundreds of cars in my short lifetime. Every time I have financed a car, the bank held the title until the note was paid in full. Once the note is paid in full the title was always sent to me , via mail within 30 calander days after receipt of full payment with a release of lien from the financial institution.

On the other hand when I physically went to the bank and paid the lien off, the bank would provide a release of lien and give me the original title that was in the file.

Hammertime it does seem this thread is a lost cause......... :cry:

I have a few questions.

Why does the bank have the title if the note is paid in full?

If the note isn't paid in full is the loan really in default?

If the loan is in default why does'nt the seller provide the bank with the information for repo the car or Shouldn't the buyer be worried the bank might repo the car?

What a friggin mess.

I know it is had to keep composure, but when dealing with a mess like this it may help to try to keep a higher level of professionalism than your critics.

I have to tell ya, I am a critic on both sides.

No one really can determine the truth, who's right and who's wrong.

Whom ever forces legal action will have the upper hand, whether they are right or wrong, based off the info currently provided.

I think I would crack somenes head myself, but i certainly wouldn't let anyone know my intention.

Usually when a guy is running at the mouth, thats all he is doing, its the guy that keeps quite, that has big plans to straighten their problems out, their own way and when they are ready...............

It is really odd. Believe it or not both of these guys have rights for recovery.
Firebird can go to wayneworld's home town, where the car is garaged, call the police and take possession of the car. No questions asked.
On the otherhand, I believe waynesworld have a right for claim utilizing the court process.

It seems to me the both of you would benifit by resolving this issue with the following, FAIR compromise.

How bout you both agree to dissagree and split the difference. Meet eachother half way on the deal and the travel required to finalize the deal.

Firebird accept $500.00 for the title and waynesworld give him the 500 bucks. In return firebird will surrender a lien free title to waynesworld.

Both of you Agree to meet eachother at a mid point at a local police station, hand write a final bill of sale as noted above, have it notorized at the police station and both leave with this problem resolved as best as it can be knowing, no one will ever win this one upmanship quarral.

If this doesn't resolve your problem, I RESPECTIVELY request both of you refrain from posting any further info on this thread until some type of legal action is taken.

By the way tod74, I was thinking the same thing, LOL :lol:

[MEMRACING62]

X2. BEST WAY FOR BOTH, LEGAL COSTS WILL COST BOTH OF YOU THAN $500 TO MAKE YOUR POINTS :?

[kbartley]

X 3 I agree w/ ashbros. you are not getting anywhere w/ you're situation on this forum. Get it done, honestly, I do not know how you two can go on for as long as you have thinking about this everyday.

Both of you are waaaaaaaaaay past sending fund's (title) in the mail, so if you want to get this done and over with meet halfway as stated by ashbros.. firebird cough up a good clear (signed) title and waynesworld cough up 500.00clams.

You guys have been given some really good advice & instructions of what to do, so come back on here and let us know how everything worked out (AFTER) YOU GET IT DONE.

[firebird89]

OMG--the bank doesn't have the title and never did. They simply held a lein on it prior to wayne picking the car up.I have the title in hand and always did. The only issue was asking the bank to NOT send in the lein release to the state so I had some legal and binding eveidence the car was mine if he didn't pay me the entire $14,500 we agreed on if I didn't buy the other car. The title is in my hands, how do you think I photoed it, think about it. Who said the bank had the title anyway? I have the title and the signed lein release from my bank. I'd man up for $500 to give the guy his title and let this go away. If he can't meet half way to settle it--his loss. It doesn't matter to me either way. I really could care less about the grand now anyway. I've been critisized pretty heavily on here from people who don't know me or the facts. As far as not having time to come on here constantly---I have a life and a job. Some of the guys that live on here should really get one to! There---I agreed to go half way on the deal. I'll take $500 in the rear. Now are you a man wayne?

[ashbros]

firebird89

My bad, there is so much content on this thread I very easily could have misunderstood the matter surrounding the title and lien release.

I am very happy to see you are willing to take the necessary steps to resolve the issue. :D

I hope waynesworld is on board with you.
Good Luck

[Tod74]

Firebird did say right off the bat he only started the thread to warn about the motor NOT being a 18 deg headed motor...not to get his money.

[hammertime]

I have a life and a job. Some of the guys that live on here should really get one to!

Most of are just smart enough to be able to get paid to slack off on the www... maybe you should really get one of them jobs :D :!: :wink:

[MEMRACING62]

well wayne :?: :shock:

[mopar1968]

It's so nice to have a computer beside your toolbox, can go on the www. between job's :!: :!: It is nice you must try it sometime :!: :!:


''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

[MEMRACING62]

lap top and wireless card is cool too. when waiting on apointments www is a great way to get parts ordered and kill time :D

[Harbone]

As far as not having time to come on here constantly---I have a life and a job. Some of the guys that live on here should really get one to!



Hey!!! I resemble that remark! :lol:

[waynesworld154]

as to your compromise the first thing i would need to see is a very clear picture of both sides of the title with no lein on it this should not be a problem since you already have the release. I would also like the vin # to be clear in these pics.

I dont think that is asking to much since the title would still be in your name. Thanks[/b]

[Tod74]

I'm a professional internet troll

[Scooterz]

Yeah, I have a job too... but I am going to quit so I can be here & on FaceBook more often. I am a internet slut like no other.

Firebird: Insulting people is not going to fix this. Believe it or not, there are some good folks here who really help each other alot. Typically the one who rases hell & looses control is not capable of solutions.


I like what Einstein said once: "Peace does not come by force, it is achieved by understanding"

Here's mine (Scooter quote): "Yell & scream... piss & whine, cut yourself off from all that is devine" I just made that up- that was for free.

[Tod74]

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[firebird89]

Well here we are again with the insults huh rigsby? It's guys like you that keep tempers and issues going. I offered up a solution and wayne seems to be willing to make the deal right between both of us, but yet you have to come back to all the b.s. to try and spark things up. Seriosuly dude--what's your issue. You may want to seek help for that. Actually some of the other guys offered up the solution to resolve this, so thanks to them. And your right, there are plenty of great people on this web site. I've dealt with many great people. And of course not so happy with a very small number. But that's always going to be part of dealing with this stuff. And the comment that I believe tod74 made is 100% correct---When I initially made a post here on the forum, it mentioned nothing about wayne owing me the 1K because my intentions were to simply warn people the car was titled and being sold improperly. The ad I posted last week saying BEWARE also mentioned nothing of wayne owing me the money, it was to make people aware. So to those of you that felt you needed to accuse me of holding the title to get $$$ from him----you couldn't be more off on that judgement! So how do you want to handle this wayne to take care of it and we're both done with it? You let me know how you'd like to take it from here.

[waynesworld154]

first and formost I DONT OWE YOU A 1000.00 DOLLARS!!!

I AM ONLY TRYING TO BUY THE TITLE TO A CAR WE BOTH HAVE STATED THAT I HAVE ALREADY PAID FOR!!!

IN THAT SHORT LITTLE POST U MADE JUST NOW U WROTE IT TWICE I OWE YOU AND I DONT AND U KNOW IT !!!

YOU STARTED THIS THREAD ON HERE ABOUT ME AND YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN READY TO HEAR THE OPINIONS OF OTHERS WHETHER YOU LIKE THEM OR NOT THAT IS WHY IT IS CALLED A FORUM HAVE I EVER CALLED YOU OR ANYONE ELSE NAMES OR CUSSED THEM OR THEIR OPINION NO!!! THIS IS AMERICA WHERE EVERYONES IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OPINION LIKE IT OR NOT!!!

I READ THE POST THAT ASHBROS MADE AND AT THE TOP OF THIS PAGE SAID EXACTLY WHAT I NEEDED TO SEE TO START THIS NEGOTIATION BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IT IS ON MY PART NOT A COMPROMISE!!!

DONT WORRY ABOUT WHAT OTHERS SAY OR DO YOU NEED TO WORRY ABOUT ME!! AND ME ALONE LIKE I SAID U STARTED THIS DEAL AND 10 PAGES AND OVER 5000 VIEWS AND 140 REPLIES AND MY NAME IS AT THE TOP OF THE SCAMMER LIST SO LETS SEE IF I CAN STATE THIS ONE MORE TIME!!!

DO NOT TAKE THIS AS IT IS AN ANGRY MESSAGE TO YOU WHAT THIS IS IS TO GET BACK TO THE MAIN ISSUE NOT WHAT OTHERS THINK OF YOU BUT ABOUT A TITLE TO A CAR THAT I HAVE HAD FOR A YEAR NOW!!!

I NEED TO SEE A VERY CLEAR PICTURE OF BOTH SIDES OF THE TITLE INCLUDING VIN NO WITH NO LEIN ON IT THIS SHOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT SINCE U SAY U HAVE THE LEIN RELASE AND IT SHOULD BE EASY ENOUGH TO DO BECAUSE IT IS TITLED IN YOU AND YOUR WIFES NAME SO BOTH OF YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE EITHER OF U CAN GET THIS
DONE!!!

I NEED TO SEE A COPY OF YOUR RECIEPT TO THIS TRANSACTION POSTED WITH AD NO SOMEWHERE ON THIS SITE IF AS YOU KEEP SAYING I OWE YOU MAKE IT A VERY CLEAR PICTURE TOO!!!

[THERATTLER]

think this over , you could pick someone on here that you feel you can both trust ( if you can),,,mail the title and the money to him (or her) when they recieve both they can then give it to yall . if one party dosen't send their part then the go between can return to the one that did.... might seem stupid , but i don't think you all are going to do it any other way , I meen who will ship their item first ?? pick a go between,,,it doesnt have to be someone on here ,,THINK ABOUT IT,,,,,
just trying to help,,,Paul & Judy :D

[fla1976]

That sounds like a great idea Maniac. The two don't even have to see each other. This has gone on for way too long and all it does is keep flaring up. Pick a third party and get this thing settled. :idea:

[ashbros]

WOW!!!!!!
What Happened. I thought this was just about over.
Keep focused guys. Sounds like the two of you could make this happen...
Maniac, Great Idea.

[firebird89]

I already had posted the reciept on here before as well as the title. I'm not going to keep going over the same issues time and time again. As far as you owing me the $1,000 wayne, keep insisting you don't. It really doesn't matter to me anymore who believes me and who doesn't. And you can keep isnsisting your Mr. goodguy to. How about when you called my house and called me every name under the sun? Or when you had your buddies calling here doing the same? Ya---mr. innocent. You and I BOTH know what the deal was BEFORE you ever even left to come here. $13,500 if I bought the other car or $14,500 if I didn't. We established that BEFORE you ever even left. Right or wrong wayne? And DON'T lie about it to all these people. I'd rather resolve this but if you keep insisiting on making a jerk out of me to cover your own butt, I'll just toss the title and lein release. Part of me would actually like to just send you the title and lein release because I was the one dumb enough to let you leave with the car without coughing up the other 1K right then and there. But then the reality of it comes into play---we made a deal-stick to it. The idea of using a nuetral party for the swap is good. However, I'm pretty sure it would be pretty tough to find a person we'd both be comfortable enough with. This has gone on waaaay too long! I will agree with that. I think seeing as how we're both willing to settle this, it should be done privately. This thread has taken up enough space on here, plus it is between wayne and I from here on out. He's never going to admit he owes me and I'm going to insist he does.

[Tod74]

Why won't you get a clear title without the lein shown on it and show it to him?

[Harbone]

Why won't you get a clear title without the lein shown on it and show it to him?

I agree...

[blownalky3]

Your third party could and should be either BJUICE, a retired Police Officer or Topsportsman1 the sites # 1 Mod as long as they are willing. If either of you have an issue with those guys it will simply mean you guys are not very serious about resolving this.

[mopar1968]

I agree with ''Blownalky'' should be one of the two!!! No offense to anyone else, Personally no one on here has enough money to get me to do it :!: :!: :lol: :lol:


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[firebird89]

If Brian wants to be the middle man that's fine with me. Afer all way back in these posts he did say there was no doubt wayne owes me $1,000. To be 100% honest, I now finally just got to go back and read several of the posts I hadn't had the chance to read before. Yes I did read the one about wayne being at the all out pinks in Indy---but what's your point wayne? So you talked to a buddy of mine about the car? and??? If your point was that I am attatched to the car and that's why I'm doing this---I usually have at least one different car a year. I actually hadn't even realized this came back to the forum until I got a message from the ad I had posted that it was back here again. I had a guy message me that he had the car posted again with no title and to check it out. That's what prompted me to post another ad. Go back to the first 4 pages and re-read them once. Where was wayne then? He's known ALL ALONG this car had a title. I tried to dig up some of my old ads, because I even had the car listed as titled on I'm sure the majority of them. The quick short ones probably not, but........When I tried bringing up some of the ads from over a year ago, they wouldn't come up. Can or Will R.J. give me my old ads to show I even had this car advertised with a title? And seeing as how Brian is retired police, I'd be more than willing to have him talk with my cop buddy that was along with me that heard the entire conversation(on my end obviously)that wayne and I had when him and I were headed over to look at this other car and wayne was supposedly on his way prematurely. I'll send the signed title and lein release to Brian--I have no issues with that at all. I'm not accepting a personal check either--he burned me once already.

[firebird89]

And to those who were so quick to bash me--if you think I'm crappy to deal with, ask "bigmotah" out of Indiana. He was my latest trade and he couldn't have been happier with our trade and neither could I. He's a very straight forward and honest guy to deal with. I only bite back when bitten people! :lol:

[Tod74]

I don't know which guy is telling the truth...don't really care,but why won't you show him a clear title?

[mopar1968]

Is this still going :!: :!: :? :?


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[ashbros]

Ok guys, lets try to keep the focus here.

We have a possible offer in compromise here where each guy is willing to meet one another in the middle, while both agree to disagree.

Like Tod74 has suggested, the next step in this matter would be to see a title for the car and a release of lien from the lien holder on their bank letter head or a title with no lien holder info on it. This document should be clear and ledgable.

Second we should asked waynesworld to post the vin number of the car to verify with the title.

waynesworld & Firebird would it be too much to ask eash of you to submit this info so we can get to the next phase of this compromise?

Thanks,
ashbros

[waynesworld154]

agreed

[firebird89]

I'll email a pic of the title and lein release to wayne. If he decides to copy and paste it on the forum here I guess that's his choice.

[firebird89]

Wating for a email addy????????? You don't have to post it--P.M. it to me. Also waiting to hear if BJUICE is willing to be middle man before we go further with this????

[waynesworld154]

as to your compromise the first thing i would need to see is a very clear picture of both sides of the title with no lein on it this should not be a problem since you already have the release. I would also like the vin # to be clear in these pics.

I dont think that is asking to much since the title would still be in your name. Thanks[/b]

to be posted here it was brought here this is where it will end after a CLEAR TITLE is posted here if i am buying a title it will be a clear title

[waynesworld154]

also along with clear title a copy of your reciept

these are non negotiable requests

[ashbros]

These little one line ultimatiums are going to slowly squash any chance of finalizing this compromise.

Can't ya'all just try to get along :)

[Scooterz]

Well good luck to you both... I will stop "sturring the pot" if that is what you think I did. Fact is, this is a "public" forum where you will get feedback... like it or not. Calm down Firebird, I could care less what happens in this whole drama. After all, it is not my problem. Last, You bashed this man (wayne) over & over here... so don't piss & whine when you get some of your own medicine. :roll: As for the resolution, it is like both of you taking a plea bargan with a court appointed attorney... again, good luck.

[firebird89]

Everyone that was following this thread from early on saw a good clear copy of the title and the reciept YOU signed. I posted them both on a regular ad previously. I already agreed to show YOU what you wanted. Oh and by the way wayne, my buddy was playing dumb when he saw you in Indy to see what you'd be stupid enough to say. You know what wayne--I think I'll just retain ownership and continue to persue the avenues I've been doing all along. I seriosuly don't need the grand. Oh and another thing--all the threats about contacting the IRS reporting me about the money from my car being sold as income--like I said, go for it. Now you've admitted on a public forum you buy, sell and trade as a business. Hope you have your ducks in a row there wayne--tax #--business license, etc.....The IRS would love to see that crap. Too bad you just have to continue to be such a little red neck prick. So close, yet so dumb on your end. You obviously never had any intensions of following through and finishing your end of the deal. You played hard ass with the wrong guy wayne.

[Scooterz]

Yep, the IRS is just waiting for your call, they actually have a internet task force assigned for this issue & the sale of Waynes items. Man they are going to NAIL HIM!!!! I bet they have been just sitting there waiting for the right time, getting witnesses, doing private interviews, collecting data... now they have all they need to make a MAJOR BUST!!! I will be watching the news, reading the papers, watching this case like a Hawk. You hold the cards Firebird, you got him right where you want him now. You & the IRS are going to be ONE POWERFUL TEAM... I bet you have been working for them all along.... yeah!!! you sneaky dog. CRAP!!! did I just stir the pot again??? Sorry guys, my bad.

[blownalky3]

It is fairly obvious you BOTH share a responsability here. There was a clear solution worked out till you both began posturing AGAIN!!! Who gives a shit at this point about anything other than a resolution. You have BJUICE to determine whether the title is clear (Wayne) and money is good (Firebird). If either fail to live up to your end HE SENDS BOTH OF YOU BACK YOUR STUFF!!!!! How hard is that? I fully understand you both wanting to be vindicated, but in your situation it will never happen. It will NEVER be clear as we are taking each of your words and NOT FACTS you can see. It is subjective, there will be many opinions but only you two know the truth. Just send your stuff to BJUICE and stop being asses.

[ashbros]

Rigsby, Blownalky, heck everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am totally blown away by the way these guys are acting.

To say the least, this thread has been simply amazing. They are both so torn up with trying to defend their positions' of rightousness, they lack the vision to resolve their issues.

Just as it has been noted, this is a public forum and a good number of RJ members have really tried to help these guys resolve their conflicting issues like real men. Sure there has been some scrunity along the way, but what do you expect with such wishy washy non-factual information.

It's heresay, I say! :?

It is quite evident these fellows will not meet one another on common ground in the near future and it is quite apparrent they lack the necessary neogiating skills required to respectively resolve this matter. It is times like these that they need to place their emotion aside to enable sometype of resolve.

Seems they prefer to play the ancient game of "One Up-man's Ship". Just in case some of you never heard of this game, the common intent is for someone of an oposing party to react to a comment or action from another oposing party, based soley upon the level of emotion acheived by the oposing party.

You still with me......, thus causing the receiver to return fire hoping to inflame the originator of the first comment or act. This is continued multiple times to the neverending point of self-frustration.

firebird and waynesworld,
I wish you both the best and sincerely hope your able to resolve your issues, if that is truely your intent.

Good Luck with your dispute.

[lively]

YOU KNOW- I HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE READING THIS BACK AND FORTH STUPIDITY FOR AWHILE!!!
YOU ARE BOTH TOTALLY DUMB :oops:

ONE BUYS A CAR WITHOUT CHECKING AND RECIEVING A' CLEAR' TITLE[ VERY STUPID IN MY BOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!] :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

THE OTHER TWIST AND TRIES TO SQUEESE THE BUYER FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL DEALINGS[ THAT IS THE FACTS YOU PRESENTED :oops: :oops: ]PLUS IF YOU DID SELL A CAR THAT HAD A UNPAID LEAN AND IT GOES ACROSS STATE LINES THEN THAT MY FINE MEN IS A FELONY[ THINK ABOUT!!!!!!!!!]
NOW THESE FINE MEN HAVE PRESENTED YOU BOTH WITH A SIMPLE, STRAIGHT FOWARD WAY TO SOLVE THIS STUPIDITY-- :shock:
BUT ALL YOU BOTH CAN DO IS KEEP BEING IGNORANT CHILDREN ON BOTH SIDES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SETTLE THIS LIKE HONEST MEN OR PLEASE GO SIT IN THE CORNER UNTIL YOU CAN UNDERSTAND[ LIKE WE DO OUR KIDS!!!]
NOW IF THIS IS STIRRING THE POT?? THEM BE IT!!! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:


LIVELY

[firebird89]

Seriosuly--read the posts. The car DOES NOT have moneys owed to the bank against the title anymore. It didn't when he came and picked the car up. It still has a lien on it because I did NOT turn in my copy of the lien release to the state and also asked my bank to not submit a release because he owed me the 1K, it's very simple. So you can call it what ever you want lively. I don't owe the people on this forum anything--they aren't a court of law--I was more than willing to give wayne what he asked for to him personally. That wasn't good enough for him. Good enough---I'll keep the lien on the car. Call me a baby or a dumby whatever you want---right is right. Period!

[blownalky3]

You both have done nothing but find STUPID excuses NOT to come to an agreement FOR WEEKS. If thats the case, both of you join RacinJunk for kids and post there. Otherwise just send bjuice the stuff and shut up already. You both THINK you are right. You give up the title and Wayne fork over the cash already. Otherwise you are both liars. One must not really have a clear title or he would have sent it and the other wont give up a lousy $500. You both said you would do it, so DO IT ALREADY. You have a site mod playing referee, how can either of you lose????????

[Tod74]

I think they should just meet somewhere and beat each other to a pulp.

[lano]

Seriosuly--read the posts. The car DOES NOT have moneys owed to the bank against the title anymore. It didn't when he came and picked the car up. It still has a lien on it because I did NOT turn in my copy of the lien release to the state and also asked my bank to not submit a release because he owed me the 1K, it's very simple. So you can call it what ever you want lively. I don't owe the people on this forum anything--they aren't a court of law--I was more than willing to give wayne what he asked for to him personally. That wasn't good enough for him. Good enough---I'll keep the lien on the car. Call me a baby or a dumby whatever you want---right is right. Period!
================================================== ==========================================
WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO KEEP THE LIEN SHOWING ON THE TITLE ????

HOW IS THAT HELPING YOU IN ANY WAY ???? :roll: :roll: :roll:

[firebird89]

Keeping the lien undissolved with the state keeps the car legally bound here. I figured if wayne went home with the car and didn't send me what he agreed to, I had a legal avenue to persue him with. YES--It was a means to hold over his head! Wouldn't you want some sort of pull if a guy owed you a grand? It doesn't really matter as far as the police go though--at least not until he's taken to court. They will not go and force him to turn a car over even though I've got a legal title in my name. I'd have to take him to court first. I have the lien release--how many times do I have to say that. It's signed and filled out by the bank. All the guy needs is this title and bank lien release to get his clean and clear title. My guess is he doesn't want to pay the taxes on the car. He wouldn't have cared about the title if I wouldn't have come on here calling him on the carpet way back in the beggining about falsely advertising the car. I'll send this stuff to BJUICE--I already said that. I haven't seen any response from him either though if he's willing to do this.

[Scooterz]

Firebird: The Title/Lien story really kinda stinks... I know you think we are all a bunch of "red necks", but most of us are just not that stupid. You want everyone here to believe that you paid off the car & "by your request" & told the bank to keep the lien/bank on the title??? First of all, a branch bank typically does not actually CARRY the title in the bank!!! Second, when a vechile is paid off, the corparate bank hq sends the title to the DMV to be properly transfered/remove lien for the rightful owner. Last, why the hell would a bank want them selves as a lein holder on a title if it was properly paid for????? If i am a bank, I am not interested in confusion & liability down the road.... banks are the king of policy & proceedure too. You story really SUX. Hey, If I am wrong, you can still kiss my A$$ anyways b/c you have a crap attuitude.

[MEMRACING62]

X2 SOUNDS LIKE %100 B/S TO ME. :roll:

[Harbone]

Give him Scooter, with his attitude who cares what the hell happens!!!

[Scooterz]

Hemi/Harb:

I could be wrong... as I certainly have been wrong before. But this story simply does not add up. I don't think he ever had any intention of solving this... or there would have been a picture of this dubious title in the first place. I have gone through title/liens before.... that is NOT how it works in my state. WTH???

What do I know??? I am just a red-neck. If I was as smart as firebird, I could control my bank & tell them to deed assets at my request. I could say: "Just give me the title, don't change it" "Even though I paid it off, I want it to look like I owe & have a lien against it still" Yeah... that's how you do it. Work to pay it off to show you don't own it. That is one bright idea.

[MEMRACING62]

I GUESS THIS IS A SPECIAL BANK THAT WILL ENGAGE IN FRAUD FOR CUSTOMERS!! :shock:

[blownalky3]

I firmly believe he was just trying to B/S Wayne into thinking he had more control than he actually does. Wayne does have a bill of sale!!!!!! That in itself could be legally binding, given that neither can prove for a fact their story. He could probably get a title just with that alone and say firebird said there was no title but he has a bill of sale. I believe he MIGHT have the lein release, but wants others to think the bank still controls it. That is not exactly how big business operates. I am sure they signed over the lein paper and he is just trying to have all believe the story. Fact is, if they signed it over, it is already a matter of record dated the day the loan was paid off. He is a Richard who thiks he is smarter than everyone else. From where I'm sittin, I say he should take the $500 before he can't get that. And Wayne should be a man and pay up. Neither one has posted in good faith to date continuing to stir the sh&%$#@T. They are both the problem.

[firebird89]

Like I said----you are obviously a red neck idiot! And you can kiss my a$$ loser! You don't know the first thing about me-my bank or the dealings I have with my bank---so drive whatever junk pile you own right up your a$$. You are what sux here!! I give a flying f--k what you think is true and what isn't. Obviously not everyone on here is a red neck idiot, but there's a few of you that make up for all the rest. So go pi$$ up a rope and drown yourself sh-t for brains!! Topics over from end period! This is the last post I'll make on this thread---and the last time I'll ever give a crap about warning people of a shaddy buyer/seller--go back and read my very first post dip sh-ts!

[fla1976]

Good riddance. While you are no longer on the site, maybe you could brush up on your English grammar and vocabulary!! :idea:

[ashbros]

OUCH!!!!!!!!!
BAM!!!!!!!!!!!!
POW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WOW............

[lively]

WELL I%^$&&%$%&&*** JUST *&*^&$$^&*((&^^ DON'T**&$$^%^&&***( AND ((*^%$^&*(*&

NOW- I FEEL BETTER ,TOO!!!!
LIVELY

[MEMRACING62]

WONDER IF HE KISSES HIS MOMMA WITH THAT DIRTY MOUTH? WHAT A CLASS ACT!! :shock:

[lano]

firebird,,,,,,, I don't really want to pick sides here, but here's what happened to a friend of mine.
Similar deal to yours.

My friend sold a guy his car. My Friend kept the title, as the guy owed him $500 more dollars, but he let the guy take the car into his possesion and drive it. The guy never put insurance on it. One day he lost controll, and smashed in to a mini van, killing himself and another person.

The title was still in my friends name, and he has been in and out of court for 8 months now, trying to clear himself of any liability. NO DICE, he has spent over $16,000 so far, and who knows how long it will take, OR if he will have a judgement put against him, JUST BECAUSE THAT DAMN TITLE WAS STILL IN HIS NAME.

You are living on barrowed time, haveing that title in your name, and NO controll of what that car could eventually be involved in, in the future.

Just a word of advice, "take it or leave it",
GET THE DAMN TITLE OUT OF YOUR NAME,
or assume partial liability of that car for all future use,
as you have nothing to gain and EVERYTHING to LOOSE !!!!!!!!!!

if it was me, I wouldn't waste any time doing it either.
good luck 8)

[Harbone]

such harsh words. I am no where near being a red neck, white trash maybe but thats white trash with cash to you loser. Wayne, I am sorry you ever had to deal with this idiot. Firebirds true colors were flying in his last post. All the BS about the title, his buddy cop that witnessed the transaction, his friend who ran into Wayne all just flew out the window and it means nothing to any of us now. Good luck in all your future scams punk, you are gonna need it. One of these days kharma will catch up to you...

[Scooterz]

Well siad Harb. Lano, your example is crystal clear... makes good sense.

My late G-pa once said to me: "if a guy is enough of a SOB, he will hang himself"... get your nuce out Firebird. I saw you comming a couple of pages back; insulting people with your BS probelm YOU created...

Another little secret: No one here really cares about your silly little problem. You OBVIOUSLY really need that extra 1000.00 pretty bad.... you miss a payment on your single-wide jerk off??? See how far you get calling everyone here a loser & a "red-neck"... b/c at some point, weather you are wrong or RIGHT, no one cares b/c your attitude is lame. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[Scooterz]

I hope I did not offend anyone about the single-wide comment. I meant no harm about that to my friends (I had one in my college days)... it was specifically geared towards firebitch. Scooter

[Harbone]

no offense scooter, I forgot to throw the word "trailer" in between white and trash on my side. my parents still live in the damn thing 30+ years later! :roll:

[kw89425]

Like I said----you are obviously a red neck idiot! And you can kiss my a$$ loser! You don't know the first thing about me-my bank or the dealings I have with my bank---so drive whatever junk pile you own right up your a$$. You are what sux here!! I give a flying f--k what you think is true and what isn't. Obviously not everyone on here is a red neck idiot, but there's a few of you that make up for all the rest. So go pi$$ up a rope and drown yourself sh-t for brains!! Topics over from end period! This is the last post I'll make on this thread---and the last time I'll ever give a crap about warning people of a shaddy buyer/seller--go back and read my very first post dip sh-ts!

i couldnt feel sorry for you now if you were telling the truth

[mopar1968]

How do you pi$$ up a rope :?: :?: :? :? Anyway glad he is gone,He is still responsible if anything happens with that title in his name :!: :!:


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[ashbros]

Hey Mopar,

Who coined that phrase.

You know, that is one of those things that one would not normally care to witness, but like all dumb Sh_t like that, its just another circus act and we are all ready to pay admission, just like that one chance in a life time to see the bearded lady or watch the fat lady sing. :oops: :oops: :oops:

I'm with you, How the heck would he attempt to pull that off?

[THERATTLER]

talking about the title ,,,about 15 years ago I sold a old piece of junk datsun truck to a guy for 300 dollars and gave him a signed title . ,,well he didn't go to the courthouse and change it to his name..about a month later the police in the next state called me and said I had been involved in a hit and run and that they had my truck where I had left it on the side of the road...They advised me to come turn myself in ...It took a lawyer and two trips to that state to clear myself and I still got stuck for the wrecker and storage for the truck ($500) that was unrepairable...luckely the lawyer is a friend that helped me out or I would have been in real trouble..($$$). :cry: .when I sell something now , I go to the courthouse with the buyer...sometimes you have to learn lessons the hard (expensive) way... :cry:

[Scorpion1110]

Gentlemen:

I have been following this hateful thread. As I am not particularly well right now, this thread has had a tendency to make me feel worse. However, my very brief drivebys to the forum, have allowed me to watch this thing grow like a large malignant tumor.

So I sucked it up and went back to the beginning on this:

March 2, 2009- Firebird89 posts that the motor advertised as 18 degrees is not- he also mentions he is titled owner on the 89 firebird that WW154 has.

WW154 rebutts FB89's comment and also says in his post " receipt offered but its a drag car".

WW154 posts the receipt pic, its folded and kw89425 notes it was folded and comments that its a lame cover-up.

3/3/09 WW154 admits it a 23 degree motor and stated he was told it was 18 degree engine [Guys what do you always say about someone who represents an engine as "I was told it was ... You guys junp all over him]

FBird89 posts all his add numbers and the motor is not advertised as an 18 degree motor. WW154 cannot claim that FBird89 told him this as he needed to have the add to buy the car.[WW154-Who told you it was an 18 degree motor?]

Scooter on this same day you told WW 154-"You are starting to sink dude". [Guys please keep in mind where you started and where you are now]

Note-Nothing from WW154 for several days when he was instantly responding on 03/03- Why is that do you think?

Chris on March 6, you noted that Wayne had "daresay walked out".

On March 6th Bjuice was also sure that WW154 owed FBird89 $1k and says it.

Something turned everyone's opinion- What was it. I think I know and its pretty interesting but also normal. Keep reading.

Sandy W then points out that FBird89 has a post on Jim Edwards who he bought the car from- FBird rebutts.

Lest you guys think thats an issue-then look up Rosameelpito who posted repeatedly on Mark Huelskamp and now is posting on Sloan's transmissons and is putting up adds-same way both time. Multiple problems with sellers or buyers does not convict a person.

On March 20, KW89425 notes that he cant find WW154s profile- He has been silent for 17 days. At this point the Forum sides with Fbird89.

On May 11, LTrailers comments that he bought a motor from WW154 that had more likely 336 runs then the 36 he (WW154) claimed.

WW154 has been quiet for 2 months.

WW154 shows up on June 10th posting in caps. THE PAGE COUNT WAS 5 ON JUNE 10. Its now 13. It grew by 4 pages in two months and more than 9 in 2 and 1/2 weeks. Does anyone think this is interesting?

WW154 posts his emails on 06/11/09-There is a 08/09/08 comment from Fbird89 to WW noting that he is owed $1k and that he has a WITNESS to the verbal agreement.

WW154 PMs Scooter same day. Scooter confirms this. Note that WW154 who has been away for months is now responding regularly and PM'ing users- pretty smart huh? If you are trying to turn opinion, keep stating your case- while the other side is away.

Scooter is looking for Fbird on June 13th.

However no one asked WW154 where hes been for TWO MONTHS- guys shouldnt we have been curious?

On June 16th Scooter got another pm from WW154 and says he is starting to side with WW154.

Have we forgotten what we have seen to this point? Why has the tide turned?

Did it turn originally because WW154 went silent? and now its turning back because Fbird is silent?

On the 16th Fbird shows up again.

Fbird also points out on 06/16 that WW154 is advertising the car Bill of Sale only no title- technically the title is in dispute- Is this misleading to not disclose to a new buyer? Guys think about this.

Now the issue of a Lein comes up- In MD when a title has a lein its shown on the title. The leinholder has original; owner has duplicate. When the lein is released you receive the original from the leinholder with a signed lein release. You typically hold the lein release and duplicate title and transfer them to new owner at sale. It is not necessary to go to the DMV to get a new title. If Fbird's state is similar then is this a real issue or just a perceived one?

Now around this time Fbird loses his cool- That certainly doesnt make him look good. The IRS also comes into the conversation at this point- The ramifications could affect both buyer and seller-but I question whether an Agent would take the call or launch an investigation- I work with the service regularly and I just doubt that this is an issue worthy of even showing up on the thread.

At this point the thread goes back and forth and the Forum users try and broker a deal- one which cracks pretty quickly. So what actually happened?

Well if I wanted to guess I would say there was an interesting social experiment that occurred- WW154 was on the ropes and then he disappeared. He let things settle- Then he returned after 2 months, on the offensive- and it just so happens that FBird was away and silent- WW154 regained the momentum and put Fbird on the ropes just as he had been- very interesting.

Its a not uncommon phenomena that Janes Thurber described under the term "Poisoning the Well"

So who is right?

Fbird you claim that you had a witness to the deal- get a signed notarized statement that would be evidential in a court of law-post the pic. Pretty simple I think.

My gut has told me from the beginning that Fbird was legit- and I still think he is- just a gut feeling an a thorough read of this thread and the actions of the two parties- an Organizational Behavior and HRM MBA must be worth something and forgive the self promotion :) Just wanted to show I am not a crackpot poser :)

FBird, if I was you, I would post the signed notarized statement and then take the title and turn it into the DMV as you sold the car as a race car and that the title should now be considered salvage. You prove your point, you forgive the $1k, you nuke your adversary and if anyone gets your info off of Carfax and comes to you as last titled owner you get to tell your story.

And BTW, Broadway Title can't legally issue a title to replace a salvage title, so if WW154 went that route and you found out- thats fraud and the DMV will listen unlike the IRS.

Thats all folks.

For those asking how I am doing, worse than I'd like but better than my adversaries would like.

Surgery in a few weeks, and if I dont come out of it less than whole I'll be back with you guys keeping the peace.

Just think about this thread, and to quote Mopar 1968,

JMO

Scorp

[waynesworld154]

hello mr, scorpion wish you were in better health and hope you get well soon. I have read other posts on this site as well as your diary and have nothing but respect from what I have read so far, so please do not take anything said here against you or anyone else.

The reason I was absent for months was because I was doing some investigation of my own to ensure I was on solid legal ground. As you mentioned this is a very interesting social dynamic and the tide has turned a few times in the past 2 months. What you read is subjective and everyone forms their own opinion from the information available.

Now to answer some of your questions. The motor was advertised incorrectly and if you go back and read I did write on here that I was mistaken and it was my fault, I spoke up, I did not remain silent.

When I purchased the car Firebird asked if I wanted a receipt, I said no its a drag car, but he insisted and wrote out 2 receipts identical except I did not sign my copy. When you asked to post receipts I folded mine because I did not believe at the time it was anyones business how much I paid for the car, but when everyone was skeptical about it being folded I posted the full receipt. Again, what you see in each receipt is subjective, everyone sees what they want to, someone asked me if that was my signature or if it was forged. I told them it is my signature...again did not hide, but when his receipt was signed it was identical to the one I posted. so let me ask anyone who reads this, first would you let your race car leave your house if the buyer was thousand dollars short? lets say you said yes when you make out the reciepts would you make absolutly sure that both reciepts showed money owed? and one more thing, why would you change hand writing in the middle of reciept from print to cursive. just observations. if you go back to page 5 and read my messages 08-08-08 firebird wrote and this is 2 days after i bought the car the way i see it you owe me a thousand dollars he should have told me to turn around and go home since i couldnt wait to see if he was buying the other car. there is absolutley no metion of the title or the money he says I owe. Why? because that is not how it happened. I paid in full at the time of purchase. Look at the receipts.

Yes, I have sent personal pms to more than just scooter. Asking them if they were in the position of someone selling a title would you pay money?? Some said they would because of resale value and some said they wouldnt give him a dime. I have also sent pms about posts they sent that i thought were funny. Never did I post a harsh word about anyone on this sight even though some posts were pretty harsh against me.

I go silent again. I have already posted my information and presented my case, I did not see any reason to get into a pissing match with firebird over a computer screen. If you look in recent history even though the tide had turned and some were posting against firebird for his harsh words I did not join in, I did pm others about their posts, how they were funny, but not in public forum...whats the point.

Firbirds witness to the verbal agreement. Firebird states he has a witness. This witness is a cop and can verify his statements. This witness was in the car with him while he and I were on the phone, I too had someone in tha car with me, she is not a cop, but does that make her any less credible?? Subjective.

I have been here following this thread from the very beginning. I have not gone anywhere and I am not hiding. Every person I have sold anything to since this happened has been aware of this deal, not because they have read the forum, but because I have told them about it, I am not hiding I am putting it out there and I write recipts on carbon paper for every deal. Buyer gets the original, seller gets the copy.

As for the advertising of the car with no title, when and if someone calls I disclose the information to them on the phone.

As I said, subjective, some made their minds up from the beginning, some saw his story come un-done, just didnt hold water.

Now for a social question?? If I were the one who posted a scam thread warning you of the seller??? Would I be the one who was believed??

So, everyone will believe what they got out of the story. As Abe Lincoln said " it is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool that to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

Thanks to all for your time. You will make your own minds up

Scorp, if you beleive anything please believe that my wishes for you to be healthy are sincere.

Wayne

[Harbone]

scorp,
good to see you on here and I hope you are feeling better.

[ajk]

To have a warning about a 18 degree motor being advertised when it was not as advertised turn into this is ridiculus.FB89 and his family have raced at our local track for years and are honest upstanding people.I totally understand why he is pissed. I do not know the exact happenings of this deal only FB89 & WW do YES only they do. Was the extra grand part of the deal?Only those 2 know, seems alot of crap was posted for a simple warning. Stick to your guns FB89 seems like alot of undeserved BS has been fired your way!!!!

[mopar1968]

Hmmmm 1 post, no profile, one must wonder :!: :!: :!: Personally i think this pi$$ing match has gone long enough :!: :!: 195 post and still nothing resolved :!: :!:


''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

[THERATTLER]

:D X 2 MOPAR

[ajk]

Hmmmm no need to wonder.?Does not take long for you to come to false conclusions. Just joined a couple weeks ago.After reading the whole thing i see WW was deamed a nice guy over the phone.I am just saying FB89 runs at the same track i do and is a honest guy.

[Sox]

Jumping Jesus on a Pony can we put this to rest..

[mopar1968]

Thank you ''Sox'' :!: :!:


''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

[Scooterz]

Scorp-

May the sun shine on your face & the wind be at your back... God's healing be with you as well. You are a gentleman & I can see you have done your homework here. I simply have forgotten & not looked back at the details 8 pages ago to decipher or care about this anymore. For me, it is very simple... I never trust angry people who come out swinging with both fists. FB 89 is emotional & disrespectful... from early on. Simply put, his attitude sucks. I do not need to examine each sentence to come to that conclusion. On the other hand, I like Wayne... he is a nice guy. He is level-headed, not bashing others, not acting like he is smarter than everyone. By defualt, I give credit to Wayne... just that simple. Fact is, it was Wayne who paid "13,500" for the car that FB 89 let him take away. If FB 89 was 100% legit in his compliants, that would make him a very POOR buisness man. Since he claims WE are all stupid "Red Necks", I would say he is pretty good at "pissing up a rope" on his own. Scooter

[Tod74]

I still think they would both feel better if they met up somewhere and beat each other to a pulp.

[sandyw]

[quote="Rigsby"]Scorp-

I never trust angry people who come out swinging with both fists. FB 89 is emotional & disrespectful... from early on. Simply put, his attitude sucks. I do not need to examine each sentence to come to that conclusion. On the other hand, I like Wayne... he is a nice guy. He is level-headed, not bashing others, not acting like he is smarter than everyone. By defualt, I give credit to Wayne... just that simple. Fact is, it was Wayne who paid "13,500" for the car that FB 89 let him take away. If FB 89 was 100% legit in his compliants, that would make him a very POOR buisness man. Since he claims WE are all stupid "Red Necks", I would say he is pretty good at "pissing up a rope" on his own. Scooter[/quote


Our family races with Wayne and he is a nice guy. I have also personally seen the note and there is no mention of $1,000.

After 202 posts on this subject it is safe to say that these two guys are never going to agree. They are like two pit bulls hanging on till their death.

Rigsby is right ... "If" Wayne was 1,000 short then FB89 should have never let that car go. Poor judgement on his part.
But what do I know I'm just another "Loser from KY" :wink:

[sandyw]

Stick to your guns FB89 seems like alot of undeserved BS has been fired your way!!!!

AJK...
FB89 has been dishing out his little one liner insults from day one. Wayne is the one who has had undeserved BS fired at him.

[ashbros]

I as many others have tried to aid in resolving this matter.

To date, no resolve in sight.

14+ pages of Nothing, for a disagreement over a misrepresented ad, a grand and a title.

TOTALLY REDICULIOUS!!!!!!! And Quite Embarrassing as well....

The crowd has been in attendence to observe the actions of FB & WW, The drama will not dissappear in the near future, if ever

Scrop summed it up quite well.

This is my last post on this thread.

This thread does not deserve another post.

:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

[mopar1968]

And this will be my last post on this thread,'' It seem's strange to me that FB89 brought someone here on his behalf, Now wayne has done the samething, :roll: :roll: :? :?


''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

http://www.racingjunk.com/profile/163312

[THERATTLER]

I think I will bow out also , I came up with the only possible solution but I think it might be unsolvuble, :( ,,good luck to you both,,,,Paul

[dragonmaster093]

hell i chimed in looong time ago then seen there might be an end then herd the perverbial toilet flush that a way hell then yall realised i one of then redneck trailer trash types who has rusty crusty cars but mopar to piss up rope you gotta have big d--k and a rain coat must agree with tod slug fest winner gets what he beleives is owed to him but thats red eck way ( by the way necks red cause race a-mods dont have hoods to shade it when in pits)

[Scooterz]

I think I will bow out also , I came up with the only possible solution but I think it might be unsolvuble, :( ,,good luck to you both,,,,Paul


Right you are Paul, that solution seemed fair to me. I reckon I am out too. As Mopar quoted to me on a PM... "this thread could go on & on if we let it" Scooter

[Tod74]

There is a thread on a board I used to read several years ago that has been going on since MAY 3 2006(I just checked LOL) two guys arguing. It isn't a caseof one owing the other money...it is a WHO IS BETTER type of argument. They are arguing over two professional bodybuilders....both of which have retired since the argument began.Neither one has budged yet. LMAO It is 1701 pages!!!! :lol: