engine stuff

[chevguy65]

:D

[slowman]

i call shot gun :D :lol:

[lookingaround]

ill be happy just to get to ride in it and not have to walk behind

[chevguy65]

ill be happy just to get to ride in it and not have to walk behind

I would let you take her down the track Avery.

[Racefab57]

I ALSO HAD A 65 MALIBU SS , GREAT CAR HAD IT 14 YRS. WHITE WITH BLACK INSIDE . DROVE IT TO HIGH SCHOOL , AND AFTER AWHILE I GOT CRAZY OVER DRAG RACING AND COULDNT CUT IT UP SO AFTER I BOUGHT THE CAMARO I SOLD IT . THE GUY PUT IT BACK TO ORIGINAL CONDITION.

[chevguy65]

Well,
I just got to hear the motor test fire.
If it dyno's like it sounded, I will be one happy camper. :D

Will have more info later tonight.

The motor is set to ship tomorrow and at my installer by Wednesday! 8)

[lookingaround]

good to hear carl

[qtrmile2]

Well,
I just got to hear the motor test fire.
If it dyno's like it sounded, I will be one happy camper. :D

Will have more info later tonight.

The motor is set to ship tomorrow and at my installer by Wednesday! 8)


I'm happy for ya Carl. :wink:

[chevguy65]

Dyno results are in...

The peak hp was 461.8 @ 6000
The peak tq was 484.0 @ 4300

Tq was above 400 before 3000 and continued over 400 throughout.
Hp was over 400 from 4400 on.


http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w111/chevguy65/P3080002Medium.jpg

[bjuice]

ohhh yeah you will have plenty of fun out of that motor..it makes almost the same numbers as my wifes MILD 406..with 520 lift cam......her car will run 7.40's in the 1/8th..with MT ET Streets 28x10's with a 4.56 gear thru the mufflers at 3300lbs with me driving and i am 220lbs......this is also foot braking..
if we drpped the muffflers put on a pair of 10 inch slicks and a transbreak ..it will run some 7 teens......

you can bet your car will run just as good but a little more forgiving on the street with your 3.70 gear......her gear is a little much for the street with those short tires...


Carl your car will handle all these younger boys store bought mustangs etc,.. on the street..i have always said that a true 500 hp motor is a STOUT motor....


good luck.....by the way what kind of tires will you run..they make some good street drag raidals now..

later brian..also i cannot find your ad in show off..help me here a little..

[chevguy65]

LOL...sorry, I just kept adding here to an old thread...nothing but interior to see in show off.


I am going to an MT Street drag radial 235/60/15 http://fastspecialties.com/store/images/6723743R.jpg

[bjuice]

ahhhh good choice....thanks for straigthening me out on the ad..i was going crazy trying to find it.

brian

[fastbowtie]

Great #s Carl Not only does your car look great but it should run like A scalded Dog Congrats :wink: :wink:

[lookingaround]

carl how is the motor coming along? do they still make the M&h Race Master tires? those things hooked like as good as a slick

[chevguy65]

Here is the motor....
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w111/chevguy65/440005.jpg


It will be in the car and driving first part of next week[/img]

[bjuice]

i see it was dynoed with mufflers..AWESOME !!...it will make 15HP or a little more with straight headers....the HVH supersucker spacer plate has proven to increase 10hp on the dyno..my buddy runs on his dragters and is a DIE HARD bracket racer and swears it picks him up 2 hundreths..
I put one on my camaro and it will stand up and BOOGIE !!

ohh yeah how about putting the cut outs on the headers where you can open and close them with a cable from inside the cockpit...(neat)..15-20hp on tap when you need it...LOL

so its safe to say you can reach and get another 25-30hp or more by doing these 2 things...if it were my car i would also place me a good ram air induction thru the carb breather..use those round track duct work and draw cold clean air and funnel it into the ram air box...another 5 to 7 hp or more...if you do this with the hvh super sucker check your plug reading..most likley you will be just fine but worse case you would need to bump up a jet size ( but i doubt it)...

so i would say 500-510 hp is not out of the question..with very little cost and ALL bolt on stuff..

what kind of ignition box you running with that MSD pro-billet dist ?

thats what i like about the type car and motor you have..you can do so much neat stuff to them..to me its Very fun to ad little stuff and gain 2hp here and there...MAKE IT A JAMES BOND CAR...MYSTERIOUS BUTTONS AND SWITCHES EVERYWHERE !!!...i am getting excited for you... :D :D

and a damn good thumper (stereo) when you PARK the car..the motor is music enough when driving...AGREE ??


Brian

[chevguy65]

Thanks Brian for the input and info!!!!

I will do or at least look into all of them.

I am running a 6AL ignition and Blaster 2 coil.

I am planning on using a new style cold air induction for holley's I found the other day.
I will have to make the tubes myself that go from the intake to the front of the engine compartment, but it seems simple enough.

I also plan on doing the spark pkug deal.

I can hardly wait to put it on the track next Friday, my builder is almost more excited to know what it does than I am...He wants me to call him from the track... 8)

[bjuice]

Carl..now about those spark plugs you can buy the ones with the cut back strap from the factory..its what i run in my 511 bbc.....it will say right on the box.."CUT BACK GROUND ELECTRODE".....

you might have to order them..the autolight race plug will not be on the counter anywhere in your local normal parts house.

Brian

[topsportsman1]

Carl looks nice bro.

What heads you got on the engine?
Does it take the tapered plug or the gasket type plug

I might be able to look up and recomend a spark plug that will work nice for you :P

[chevguy65]

Thanks Tom,

The heads are the large port vortecs.

Plugs are Autolite AR103 I think.

[topsportsman1]

Boys Carl that don't look right,thats a pretty hot plug there. Its a -6 heat range

Do you know what came stock in them heads for a plug? I can cross it over and find some thing a little cooler,
I'd run some thing in the -8 range for heat running it on the street with a little track use if it were me.

[chevguy65]

Tom,

Let me double check on the plugs.

I am not totally sure that is the right number.

Hankstay

[topsportsman1]

If you know what year the heads are any parts place can get you the proper replacement number,
Then run it by me and I can convert it to an Autolite Racing number

If they are the 5/8 hex and the reach is like 5/8 long I can figure it out,oh and are the plugs the tapered seat ones? Or do they have the gasket?

O nay a roblem pay

ny aay ime tay

[chevguy65]

Well, it's a few more days off before I am behind the wheel.

We decided to go 1/2" fuel line all the way from the gas tank, braided lines., electric fuel pump with regulator. Going to go with serpintine belt system, and he wants to put on a shroud.

Hope to have it Friday, but not going to be disapointed if it isn't ready.

[lookingaround]

carl you have come along ways on getting a motor for your ride. an extra day are two would be worth waiting on :D :D

[chevguy65]

carl you have come along ways on getting a motor for your ride. an extra day are two would be worth waiting on :D :D


LOL, yeah after a year and some, a few days is like a couple more minutes.

All in all it will be worth it.

[slowman]

ha carl, can i call shoot gun or are you to far away lol. it should be a blast to drive just save up some gas money. because you may never come back home after you go for your test drive. good luck and hope every thing go's great

[chevguy65]

Engine is in the car and just finishing plumbing the lines and a few odds and ends.

I may be out seeing if I can destroy the tires on it by this time tomorrow.....weeeeeeeeee

http://www.deyb.com/images/Maroond/Burnout3ASTD.jpg

Just like this

[fastbowtie]

Carl
Thats Great news CONGRAT,S
Our motor wont even get to the dyno until around the 19th

[slowman]

carl, good talking to you today and good luck with the ride.

[chevguy65]

carl, good talking to you today and good luck with the ride.

Thanks Jeff, it was good talking with you as well!!!!

[chevguy65]

in the car

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w111/chevguy65/P3190003Medium.jpg

Still have to plumb the new fuel line and finish some odds and ends but it is getting close......think I will go out and play vroom vroom in the garage

[lookingaround]

lol looking good bro. im happy for ya

[buffjhsn1]

congrats carl! glad to see it finally all come together!

[chevguy65]

congrats carl! glad to see it finally all come together!

Thanks bro!

[bjuice]

burn it up Big BOY...I WANT TO SEE SOME TIRES SHREDDING VERY SOON....lol.........nothing like anticipation...lol...

keep us posted....you didn't scratch her up puttin that bullet in did ya ?


later brian

[mytmouz]

Very Nice!

[lotsof454sss]

Hey Carl, I know you are tickled pink as a pig...Glad for you as this has taken a long time and I know alot of aggravation because of other people scamming you...good luck

[woodsman]

Carl I am sure glad that you are so close to getting your hot rod finished its looking good. Be safe and let us know what it runs. Wesley

[chevguy65]

burn it up Big BOY...I WANT TO SEE SOME TIRES SHREDDING VERY SOON....lol.........nothing like anticipation...lol...

keep us posted....you didn't scratch her up puttin that bullet in did ya ?


later brian


LOL...no scratches....I have more pics posted in show off.

First pass will be for everyone here....I will post the time slips so you know I won't be blowing smoke...lol...only from the tires that I plan on melting the first week

[ash]

Carl,... let us see the tire smoke pics as you get them!!! :D I have a set of used M&H Race masters and rims when you need `em! :lol:

[chevguy65]

Acouple comments and a question....

I got to drive my baby for the first time in a year. :D :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :D

I must say it scared the crap out of me and never got out of first gear. :shock: :mrgreen:

I will also say it is faster than my old 69 Chevelle and it put out just over 500hp.

Now, the question.

Is 393 rwhp good, back in the old days I never paid attention to rwhp.

I actually pick it up tomorrow at noon, thay want to get one last tuning pull on it and make sure the airflow is right. It is running just a rad lean right now.

[bjuice]

Carl- YES thats good considering your motor made 461 hp..this means you only lost 15% thru the chassis....i do not know what you have done to the chassis but there are everal things you can do to possibly help this out a little more..but 15% loss of hp thru thur the chassis is pretty freakin good...be hard to make up much here...

the big thing when you get some sticky tires on it is to make sure you limit your chassis flex as much as possible..excessive chassis flex can warp the top of your car etc when you hook it up.....good subframe connectors is a great investment..a 65 chevelle is a sub-frame car best of my memory..as long as you are spinning things will be OK..less than 125 dollars you can tie her in and feel the difference..

good luck and congrats..

Brian

[bjuice]

Carl- YES thats good considering your motor made 461 hp..this means you only lost 15% thru the chassis....i do not know what you have done to the chassis but there are several things you can do to possibly help this out a little more..but 15% loss of hp thru thru the chassis is pretty freakin good...be hard to make up much here...

the big thing when you get some sticky tires on it is to make sure you limit your chassis flex as much as possible..excessive chassis flex can warp the top of your car, cause doors not to open and closeetc...this is when you hook her up with slicks at the dragstrip etc...a good set subframe connectors is a great investment..a 65 chevelle is a sub-frame car best of my memory :?: :?: :roll: ..as long as you are spinning the thje tires on the street you will have no problem...less than 125 dollars you can tie her in and really feel the difference..

good luck and congrats..

Brian

[chevguy65]

Thanks Brian.

They were telling me it was very tight even with the trans and converter.

The 65 is a full frame and I have been looking at these...From Global West...Rear adjustable frame supports tie the upper and lower control arm frame attachment points together giving added strength to mainly the upper mount. The upper mount has been known to fatigue with high horsepower / torque applications. The factory original supports where stamped with slotted holes. The holes being slotted is the main problem. The slots will allow slippage defeating the purpose. The tubular supports will eliminate that condition. (preventive maintenance) TS-47 ---- 1964-67

Here is the link to the page... http://www.globalwest.net/New%20rear%20adjustable%20control%20arms%20for1964-88%20Chevelle,%20GTO,%20Buick%20GS,%20Grand%20Nati onal,%20and%20other%20applications..htm

I have heard good about this set up, plus I have a set of anti-hops.

[bjuice]

THERE YA GO !!!.... I had a buddy that has a 66 chevelle that went back with i think "HOTCHKINS"..i am sure i spelled it wrong...

but it all sound's good....by losing only 15% thru the chassis tell you that your converter is dead nuts...

it will make sure one hot 'HOT ROD"....


LATER- Brian

[qtrmile2]

I'm happy for ya Carl. Nothing but fun times ahead. Sounds like everything is working out great for you. You'll have a blast with that set up. :)

[sc3314]

Carl,

Glad you are getting your HOT ROD going again! You should enjoy the heck out of it this summer! Looks very nice, and plenty of power for a nice street car.

But don't let Brian know it scared you! How are you going to get in that Vett with 1200 real HP at your right foot? I would retract that statement for future use of that Vett.

Dave

[chevguy65]

She is home and I retract last nights statement.

The 393 rwhp went to a 35 Plymouth Coupe.
It has a vortec 383 spinning 475 fwhp.

They have not hp dynoed it yet on their chassis dyno.

They will throw in 4 pulls after I take it to the track Friday.


I will say it has all the power and then some, the torque comes on so quick and really tries to throw you out of the seat.

Well, now it's off to finish the interior and make ready for Friday nights race.



PS Quick question. My safety loop is hitting my driveline on bumps in the road.....anyone care to guess as to why the drivline is moving around so much? It did it when I had my seat belt bolts close to the driveline as well, I have since moved them.

[spib]

carl glad you are getting close!!!!! :D

[qtrmile2]

You could check the drive shaft Carl. I always put the shaft all the way in the trans bushing and like to have no more tan 3/4 inch back to the rear end yoke. Too much slack will give you a vibration.
Is the rear tranny mount OK? Also do you have solid mounts or rubber? I like to use solid mounts with rubber trans mount. It does give you more vibrations but they won't break. Just my thoughts.

[slowman]

i call shot gun. o yaa your to dam far away for me to call that. nice job hope it craps the scare in you or scares the crap out of you.

[lookingaround]

glad to hear ya got it home carl

[chevguy65]

Less than 24 hours to track time.

I can tell it will be spinning at least through the 60'.

:D

[bjuice]

Don't worry its a common problem we all have !!...Good luck and let us know how it turned out...




later Brian

[alscoupe]

GOOD LUCK AND CONGRAT'S, CARL :D

AL

[chevguy65]

Results are in....I need Slicks...BAD!!!!!!!!!!

I will post more tomorrow, right now I am tired and bed is calling....

[ash]

Like I said Carl, I've got those M&H's..... :D I'm glad that you have that much power!!! Can't wait to hear about your track time, as I won't get to the track until June 9th. :cry:

[lookingaround]

ok carl wake up and let us know.

[woodsman]

Carl its time for some numbers. Wesley

[chevguy65]

OK guys,

The numbers are not that great, as I said I was spinning to beat the band.
My 60' sucked and I was sleeping at the light all night.

Need to run a practice tree.

Ok so best time was a 13.77 with me asleep at the tree and sideways in the 60'.

How much do you think I can gain with just new tires?

Remember I am wanting hi 11's low 12's.

[sp2816]

Congrats on getting out there and having some fun. If you were able to drive it on the trailer and bring it home in one piece it is a successful night.

The indicator of what it could possibly run would be your MPH at the finish line. It would probably need to be faster than 100mph to run in the 12's and faster than 110mph to run in the high 11's.

Bill M

[woodsman]

Carl you need to get you some M/T street drag radials or ET drags or a type of tire like whose and you would be able to hook it up and maybe get the number you are looking for. I am glad that it ran good for you and you had some fun. I would not worry about the tree until I got it to hook up. Than you can work on the tree. Well glad it turned out and all went well for you. Wesley

[bjuice]

a 1ST TIME OUT is never the best for anyone...you have so much going on.
#1- new car, just getting used it .
#2- ther normal bugs, such as brakes ,timing,etc.....etc......
#3- then of course the seat time..after along lay off it going to take you a few trips to get the hand of it.

Please post your MPH and i think we can ball park you where you will end up....also what was the 60 ft....

i am glad your back in the saddle...

Brian

[dcarr511]

Ok so best time was a 13.77 with me asleep at the tree and sideways in the 60'.

Very respectable ET for a daily driver, with all of your Drag Racing knowldge I'm sure your aware that the tree doesnt start until the car leaves the beams. I once had a 9 sec. reaction time on a 6.70's 1/8 pass.

What was the MPH that will give a true indication on ET it is capable of.

Good Luck with it !

[chevguy65]

best 60' was a 2.19

best mph was 104.23


I know I can pick up alot in the 60' and it had a 6000 chip in the ignition box so I hit the limiter a couple of times.

[bjuice]

i would probely take my rev liniuter chip up to about 7,000....

i can't remember ..where did the engine make its HP (RPM) ?

Brian

[chevguy65]

it was 461 hp @ 6 or 6100rpm.

Yeah, I thought it had the 7000 in it because my mind was shifting @ 6000-6100.

[lotsof454sss]

Carl, Glad you got to the track and had some fun...Now you can go back to spending more money..LOL....

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f296/mormoneyhoney/edited%20album/final/lrmoney_e0.gif

[lookingaround]

carl i see mid 11,s easy after you get everything worked out

[ash]

OK Carl,.....I'll go out on a limb and guess 11.8's to 12-oh's. Like you said,... you need to hook it up.Still, it sounds like a fun street car!!! :D Hopfully it won't be too long before you can get the new car bugs worked out and need some new Fruit Of The Looms!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[alscoupe]

Sounds like ya had a blast, CONGRAT's!

I run T/A Drag Radials (cheater slick style) They last pretty good on the street( & r legal, barely) but they hook up pretty good when ya get 'em hot.

What'ya guys think? Anything better for the price?

[spib]

carl are you going to take to the strip very offten? if so are you going to get a set of extra wheels for rear and some slicks or street legal slicks, les schwab has the corvette type rally wheels cheap, then some bfg goodrich drag radials or hoosiers quick time pros and traction will be better

[mikeaton]

way to go carl!!! as above the first time back is terrible but it does get better. if you bring it home all in one peice with nothing dragging you did good! all the oil in the right spots is a good sign i bet you will be in the 11.80s to low 12.0s in no time which is no slouch for a street car! scare some rice burners for all of us! good luck!!! mike

[chevguy65]

Thank you everyone!!!!

I appreciate the good words and the help.

I am going to use MT street drag radials, they have a size that will mount right up and fit inside my wheel wells.

[chevguy65]

Here are a cpl of pics from Friday...

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w111/chevguy65/P4020010Medium.jpg


http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w111/chevguy65/P4020017Medium.jpg

[woodsman]

Carl I think you are going to use the right tire for the job and your hotrod looks good on the track. Wesley

[mytmouz]

Glad to see it running, a little sorting out and you should hit your number.

[bjuice]

Dang it BOY......that car LOOKS AWESOME !!.......you really did well..

No wonder your 60 ft time was off..with that tire..i thought you had some DRAG RADIALS ON IT...

JEZZZ MAN....that was just like trying to leave on a sheet of ICE...those tires will never work....

SO I AM MORE than confident that there is well over A second lost in by using those tires.....


ALL BULLCRAP ASIDE I AM REALLY IMPRESSED WITH YOUR CAR !!!!!


Brian " Beetle juice"

[chevguy65]

Dang it BOY......that car LOOKS AWESOME.......you really did well..

No wonder your 60 ft time was off..with that tire..i thought you had some DRAGE RADIALS ON IT...

JEZZZ MAN....that was just like trying to leave on a sheet of ICE...those tire will never work....

SO I AM MORE than cobfident that there is well over A second lost in by using those tires.....

ALL BULLCRAP ASIDE I AM REALLY IMPRESSED WITH YOUR CAR !!!!!


Brian " Beetle juice"


Thank you Brian!!!!!!

No, I had some tires ordered but they never did come in (no money parted with) so I cancelled the order and I now have a set coming, I plan to mount them to the wheels I have and just run on them unless I plan a road trip.

I cannot wait to get back there but I need to move my fuel regulator, it is too close to the firewall, and I got up this morning and I could hardly keep it running, and man was it rich....puking smoke like a mad man, so after consulting a back yard mechanic...lol...(you know who you are)...lol, I am thinking a plugged somewhere. With the new braided line we are thinking it was not flushed and some little pieces of rubber etc are the culprits.

Anyway, Thanks again everyone for the encouragement and faith in my baby to go as fast as I think she can. 8)

[spib]

carl that is what I meant by extra wheels. you can get some rally wheels like you have for around $70-$80 a wheel paint them black or silver or heck get them chrome ones like you have and then mount up your slicks. that way you got the cruize tires and the race tires and all it takes is a few minutes to change back and forth!!!! the dot slicks are pretty soft and will last a lot longer if you just use them for the track. also dont get carried away in the waterbox, I have some bf goodrich 295 60 15's I used for 10 passes they are well broke in, had them on a pickup I used to have. Man got some good pics, damn near wore them tires out!!!!!!

[slowman]

carl, it should run what your looking for 2.16 60fts are blistering lol. i just have to ask what the hell made your think that tire would hook with that motor lol :lol:. hope you get the fuel fixed and back to the track with some tires and it will run 11s. a friend of mine just ran a 11.63 with 480hp in a 3750# 68 chevelle so you have all the motor you need to do it. goood luck but i don't think you need it. :)

[sc3314]

Hi Carl,

It doesn't matter what you ran! You made it to the TRACK. Now to fix the small problems you had, just a little more time on the car. It doesn't matter what you ran, your 1st day at the track will find most of your problems.

Remember it's not a car show at the track! Buying a set of ralleys to mount your slicks on is the way to go. I just did a set for a friend 8" for a bad as_ Chevelle with a 598 BBC I did drill them, only for the HP this car puts out.

When doing braided lines always clean the lines with brake clean, and blow them out. I usally do this twice to make sure no rubber gets into your system!

Great job on the car, it looks really nice! You will get the bugs worked out and be FLYIN down the track very soon. Remeber it is a very COOL street car and not an all out race car! So what ever it runs it's a hel_ of a nice RIDE!!!!

Dave

[chevguy65]

Thanks again guys,


Mark,
Thanks for the wheel idea.
Time to visit uncle Les...lol

Speaking of water boxes...lol...I watched a guy Friday night go in with street tires and came out dripping water...almost lost it on the line, poor sap.

My next planned trip out is in three weeks, by then all kinks should be worked out.

I also have a set of stiffeners coming from Global West.

[lotsof454sss]

I also have a set of stiffeners coming from Global West.

Hey Zipper, reckon you and I should order a set of these instead of Viagra....LOL

[slowman]

I also have a set of stiffeners coming from Global West.

Hey Zipper, reckon you and I should order a set of these instead of Viagra....LOL454 thats some funny chit right there :lol: :lol: :lol:

[zipper06]

Thanks again guys,


Mark,
Thanks for the wheel idea.
Time to visit uncle Les...lol

Speaking of water boxes...lol...I watched a guy Friday night go in with street tires and came out dripping water...almost lost it on the line, poor sap.

My next planned trip out is in three weeks, by then all kinks should be worked out.

I also have a set of stiffeners coming from Global West.

Carl Buddy you can do it, chevelles ROCK :)

23 yrs, ago i ran one, was track champion in 1984, and went down to 4 cars at div. 6 race of champions, only to break a spider gear in the burn out box. Over 600 entries that day at Bakersfield.

O'h i ran 9"X28" mickies, it would run 11.50's and 11.60's all day long at PHX, in 110 degrees temp. amd 11.40's at bakersfield.
Can't wait until you get it hooked, i ran a bone stock 427 with L88 cam, headers,750 carb.

Zip.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/zipper2/65-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/zipper2/65-2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/zipper2/65-3.jpg

[chevguy65]

Zip,

Those pics are awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8) 8) 8)

Also, thanks for sharing your passion for the Chevelle as well as your words of encouragement. 8)

[slowman]

hey carl will a 30x9 slick fit? if they will then p.m me.

[zipper06]

I also have a set of stiffeners coming from Global West.

Hey Zipper, reckon you and I should order a set of these instead of Viagra....LOL

Someone ask me what i wanted to be when i grew up, i told them i wanted to be the poster boy for Viagra. :lol:

Zip.

[lotsof454sss]

Bob got the job and BOB has wood....That is why he smiles all the time

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w43/jeromejaques/home_hl.gif

[ash]

Carl,... that is one sweet Chevelle!! 8) It's got two of the most important requirements for a street car,..... it looks good and it's got "Onions" under the hood!!

[qtrmile2]

Carl,
The best thing is you got to take it down the track. Now you can work on making it run and hook better everytime you go back to the track. Now that's the fun part. You can make little adjustments everytime and see what your results are. I know you can sqeeze another second out of that combo next time out. Have fun Carl :wink:
Glad you are back at the track. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

[chevguy65]

Once again Thank you everyone.

Your encouragement means alot to me.

I am very lucky to have found this site and the many good friends I have made here.

I had a string of bad luck and during the time of me whining and complaining about my engine woes, you all stuck in there and made me feel like it was not a total loss and kept me from selling my 65.

I thank you for that!

Now I have the bullet and soon the tires to make it go.....seriously, no traction in 1st gear at all, it didn't start to hook until I made the shift to 2nd.

Sweet!!!!!!

[3dracing]

You may need to get some neck restraints when you put the new tires on.


Steve

[bjuice]

**** CARL WE NEED THE LATEST UPDATE ***********

for me its too hot with this heat wave we are having..we are in a DROUGHT.....its horrible...its on national news...PERRY AND I are suffering....
Brian

[chevguy65]

Update as follows.

I seem to have an electrical issue and am trying to track it.
It seems to either be in the ignition or in the starter itself.

I will probably post a question in engine tech.

I have stickies and just need time to get it down to the tire shop and get some wheels to mount them.

Hopefully I will be able to post some time slips next weekend.

[woodsman]

Carl we'll be waiting. Wesley

[chevguy65]

Well, got it back out tonight in 107 heat....man do not do this without a/c.

Lost 50 or so lbs.

Anyway I learned some things.

I only made 2 passes but learned it is running out of fuel at the top end.

Ran a best of 13.13 @ 103. Had a 1.80 60, 5.25 330 8.218 1/8 @ 86.33 and thats about where she started to ask for more.

my 1000 was 11.009 and 1/4 @ 13.132 @ 103.58

I still need to move my fuel pump and am thinking it needs bigger jets on the back. I pulled the bowl and it only has 78's in there now.

What are all your thoughts on this.

Feel free to ask Q's or provide feedback.

Oh besides it being 107 it was also overcast and muggy.

Last week when it was cooler I ran a 13.231 @ 102.76 and shut it down at the 1000 ft because of bad vib from driveline...it was out of round and out of balance....got it fixed and no issues there.

Just want to know why when my drive line went, I was doing 110 when I let off at the 1000 and tonight could not get over 103.

r/t's were .116 and .189

[sc3314]

Hi Carl,

You are the man for braving that heat! Your car feels the same way about the heat. Now throw on a fire suit for some more fun.

Pull some plugs, and let us see what they look like.

Do you have a fuel pressure gauge on that Hot Rod?

What about jet extensions in the rear bowl?

In that kind of heat more jet will help. If you re jet the carb, watch your plugs to see what the changes are doing to the engine.

Where is the fuel pump located, and what kind is it?

Anything in the fuel lines, regulator, or the pump?

If you can pull the fuel line, put the line into a 5 gallon jug and turn the pump on and make sure it's working properly.

You are on heading in the right direction. What was the 60' time on the 13.231 pass?

Dave

[qtrmile2]

Carl,
Your getting there buddy just be patient. On my set up I have a 355 cu in with a 950 holley with 80 in the front and 82 in the back. It gets HOT in Missouri. The motor is a little fat in the heat but I'd rather keep it fat than lean. You have to be careful not to lean the motor out. Your running out of fuel could be the pump or a lean condition. What's your fuel pressure? Is it the same all the way down the track? I know it's hard to see when your moving. Look at your plugs that should tell you lean or fat. I also run 38 degree's timing with the advance locked down. Too much timing will also make the car seem likes it's running out of fuel. In any case without being there I would step up the jets and square the sizes front and rear to start. 80 front and 80 back. Go up 1 or 2 sizes until it slows down then back off 1. Just a few things to try.
If I'm not mistaken it sounds like your pump delivery. Are you running an air cleaner?
Keep me posted Carl :wink:

[mcracecars]

107* hot and muggy is a bad air day.... :lol:
What happens is when these conditions are pressent, there is less oxygen in the air, and the water takes up a lot of room also, so the motor gets less oxygen to burn then on cooler less humid days...
IF you keep the jets the same the motor is running rich, as it still pulls the same fuel from the carbs, but now has less oxygen. Some guys make the mistake of jetting up in hopes of gaining et, /mph, but they only make it worse.
Ideally, you should lean the carb down to get the best mixture for the day for the best times/mph of the day.
You will never get the same power as on a good day, but you can get the best for the day at hand..
A simple density gauge can work wonders in plotting out conditions and jet changes over time, so after a while you can have a good idea of what you need for the day.
IF you keep an eye on what the prostock guys run all over the country, you will see that some places the run fast, otheres slower. Its all about track and weather conditions, altitude plays a big factor here too, and getting the car to make the best power for the location and conditions of the day.
You will never go as fast at denver as you will at gainsville....

[bjuice]

Ed is correct and so was the lasts 2 guys..however you need to know that to get an accurate plug reading you must kill the car right after the pass and pull the plugs before you come back to pits..or get a tow back with car shut off..if the car is too lean at WOT...after you creep back to the pits the plugs will change causes inaccurate plug reading..

just a little tid-bit on that one..

i tell ya whats the best ivestment you can do..is the clamp on style EGT sensors..drill a 1/4 hole or smaller ( whatever the probe is) insert the probe into your header primary and use the cirlce clamp to hold it in place..( no welding required)...you can check exhaust temp gases from inside the cock pit and know where you stand at all times...most guys running alcohol use them ( BLOWN ALCHOL) paticulary..you can find these entire sets ups on e-bay pretty reasonable..

thnaks brian

[chevguy65]

Here are a cpl pics of plugs, but after running it and pulled them this am.

It may or may not help.

Did I mention that during my first pass last night it was cutting out big time, engine temp was over 190.

I do not have a fuel press guage on it yet, and the fuel pump is mounted to high, it is above the rear axle, I know it needs to be lower and closer to the gas tank.
I am running 1/2" braided line from the tank to the regulator and then to the fuel log. Reg is set to 7 1/2 lbs.

I was also told to run two lines from the reg to the carb instead of a fuel log. Oh and the main line comes in on the back of the carb not the front.

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Here is a pic of lines going to carb...
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[mcracecars]

you could also be getting some vapor lock in the fuel lines somewere or in the floatbowls. Fuel will flash into vapor at around 70 or 80 degrees, if I remember right.
Any fuel line close to hot pavement, over them heater hoses, or just a plain ol' very hot engine compartment can cause all kinds of head achs...
Hot days like that , you can chase your tail around looking in all the wrong places.
Try to insulate some fuel lines were they pass heat sorces.
On those kinds of days it is possible to be down 10% or more in power.
I am surprised both you and the car did as well as you did that day :D

[chevguy65]

Thanks for the input Ed.
I do think it was vapor locking on my 1st pass, and I am surprised I braved the heat as well.

No A/C and after each pass I was soaked. I would park the car, start cooling it off and then I would go stand under the mister and drink about a gallon of water.
Funny thing is with all that water I never got full or had that sloshy feeling in my stomach.

Not near as many racers came out, usually we have 200-250 cars on a Friday night and last night it might have been 80.

Oh Drz1972ss, I forgot to mention I do have jet extensions on and on the 13.2 run my 60 was somewhere around a high 1.70 range. I accidently threw out the time slip so I am not positive.