gearing for the 1/4 mile

Old 05-24-2013, 06:35 PM
  #11  
Swiley383
Senior Member
RACING JUNKIE
 
Swiley383's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: White Bluff TN
Posts: 625
Default

Good advice I have a off the shelf converter and I think it kills my et. I should have had one built for the car.
Swiley383 is offline  
Old 05-25-2013, 05:59 AM
  #12  
outlaw256
Senior Member
RACING JUNKIE
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: falkville al
Posts: 1,766
Default

well mines not a off the shelf converter. hell i got it out from under the shelf 5 yrs ago!!!!
outlaw256 is offline  
Old 05-26-2013, 02:21 PM
  #13  
bjuice
Administrator
RACING JUNKIE
 
bjuice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Greenville s.c.
Posts: 3,239
Default

Originally Posted by outlaw256
well mines not a off the shelf converter. hell i got it out from under the shelf 5 yrs ago!!!!

lol....Shoot OUTLAW back about 30 years ago when ' Auto Shack" was around...I bought an Off the shelf Alliance camshaft (282/450 lift I think) and anti pump up lifters...Found me a polished tunnel ram with a pair of 465 holleys...bolted all of it on...just lined up the cam Dots ( No degreeing) and the 71 camaro would run like a scalded dog ( pump gas)..4.11 gears and a TQ converter out of a Vega turbo 350 from the junk yard ( No money for a real stall converter lol)..back then you could find 300hp ( double hump) iron heads everywhere..found me a pair under a mans trailer half buried in dirt..took them to NAPPA store decked them 10 thousandths to clean up surface. regular valve job nothing fancy..put screw in studs in the heads..didn't know anything about piston to valve clearance ( just got luckey) The car on re-cap tires ( very popular back then) thru the mufflers/footbraking would run 7.60's in the 1/8th at 92 mph..I would say without a doubt straight headers a transbrake and slicks the car would have run some high 6.90's.......all cheap off the shelf stuff....Just got lucky and hit the right combo. I was 17 or so....I was outrunning older guys that had Tons of money in their set ups.. I drove this car to High school every day. Street racing is a No-No These days but back then we would meet on a desserted road far out of town after Mid-night (no-one around) and have several races for $100-$200 and many bragging rights..we ran from a dead stop and many times from a roll

Just luck of the draw on the set up....best time of My life !
__________________
Bjuice..

"I'M YOUR HUCKLEBERRY ! "
bjuice is offline  
Old 05-28-2013, 06:16 AM
  #14  
roadkill2
Senior Member
RACING JUNKIE
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 628
Default

Ya work with what ya got or can afford . . . And although I love the Wallace Calculators, if it could be done on paper, we wouldn't need cars . .

I could just put all the combinations down. Pick out what I wanted to do and run the numbers.

Just like fantasy football or baseball, then I could be a "Winner" . .

Racing of Automobiles doesn't seem to work out that way because there's too many variables that get in the way of the sure thing mathematically . .

While the calculator is a good place to start . . The race track is still the only place to prove what you've done will work.

Or to find out what won't . .
roadkill2 is offline  
Old 05-28-2013, 01:11 PM
  #15  
BEAST477
Senior Member
RACING JUNKIE
 
BEAST477's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Michigan
Posts: 1,908
Default

Originally Posted by BEAST477
Here try this site. it will give you lots of awnsers.

http://www.wallaceracing.com/Calculators.htm

I should've said it will give you lots of info instead of awnsers.
BEAST477 is offline  
Old 06-01-2013, 10:18 AM
  #16  
hotrod1994
Senior Member
EXPERT BUILDER
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: nekoosa wisconsin
Posts: 308
Default

thanks guys....ive just got an off the shelf converter now i was looking to go to a 4000 stall cause i need more stall for sure .....we still do some street racing around my little town out where there's no one around and even now ill out run guys with tons more money stuck into there car and the look on their face is priceless when they get waxed by a broke kid
hotrod1994 is offline  
Old 06-10-2013, 04:47 PM
  #17  
bjuice
Administrator
RACING JUNKIE
 
bjuice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Greenville s.c.
Posts: 3,239
Default

Originally Posted by hotrod1994
thanks guys....ive just got an off the shelf converter now i was looking to go to a 4000 stall cause i need more stall for sure .....we still do some street racing around my little town out where there's no one around and even now ill out run guys with tons more money stuck into there car and the look on their face is priceless when they get waxed by a broke kid
sometimes you stumble on the right combo by accident...My advise if ya wanna be fast/Quick on the street from a dead ( and I don't condone street racing)

A tight,tight converter a 3.08 gear for a 3500 lb car..a engine that can stand the Nitrous up to 300hp....You can build a static Hp SBC with 350hp...slam it with a 250-300 SHOT of nitrous out of the hole...if it doesn't spin great...if it does spin get a progressive...I promise you I done this 30+ years ago and hammered a lot of a$$....you get a high gear and a converter you will not drive thru and hold the button down on a 250-300hp shot out of the hole...you gonna hurt some feelings...I PROMISE YOU.


Myself and several of my buddies with back then a $2,500 dollar street car out ran many $50,000+ pro street blown Nitrous or whatever they brought...you gotta remember the mind set back then for many was put a lot of gear and stall...yeah it looked good black tracking but we killed them hooking.

We ran SBC with a 300hp Fogger a 2.90ish gear and turbo 400...in a 73 camaro...would be on the button as soon as the flagman dropped his hands..it would not spin a bit..and I mean hooking up and hauling a$$.

back then we did not have auto timing retard systems..we took out the timing by hand and timing light


I run a similar set up today on the track 30+ years later...I run a 10.5 outlaw car..3,000lbs with 33 inch tall 10.5 tires...a custom NOS tight converter and a 3.60 gear....
Best car has run is a 4.68et @156 mph.....its the same principle as I explained above.


just keep in mind you can;t have your cake and eat it to..if you gonna go the route I explained your gonna be deadly consistant and Very Fast on the street..your gonna look faster then you really are cause your gonna hook it up....but just driving around off the GAS...Its gonna be a slug.



you will be shocked How that BEOOOTCH will come alive on a 45 mph roll when you dump the NOS.....if you got a high enough gear and tight enough converter you will let off way before it finds its top out..
__________________
Bjuice..

"I'M YOUR HUCKLEBERRY ! "
bjuice is offline  
Old 06-11-2013, 09:59 AM
  #18  
TheRabbit
Senior Member
RACING JUNKIE
 
TheRabbit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Augusta, Ga.
Posts: 2,295
Default

A lot of people think you have to have a converter so tight it's a complete turd on motor. I had Alan Pope build me a nitrous converter that's good for a 300 and works really good motor alone. Yea. it's a tad tight for motor, but nothing like my big nitrous converter is.
A good converter guy can make you one that's a good combo, but nothing is perfect for both. A small shot of nitrous is the cheapest hp you can buy and small shots are really simple to tune and use.
TheRabbit is offline  
Old 06-11-2013, 01:33 PM
  #19  
bjuice
Administrator
RACING JUNKIE
 
bjuice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Greenville s.c.
Posts: 3,239
Default

Originally Posted by TheRabbit
A lot of people think you have to have a converter so tight it's a complete turd on motor. I had Alan Pope build me a nitrous converter that's good for a 300 and works really good motor alone. Yea. it's a tad tight for motor, but nothing like my big nitrous converter is.
A good converter guy can make you one that's a good combo, but nothing is perfect for both. A small shot of nitrous is the cheapest hp you can buy and small shots are really simple to tune and use.
Heres my numbers on motor vs a 250 shot in 1/8th. Same track same day back to back passes

Motor - 1.33 60 ft 5.80-5.84 ET 126 mph
250 shot- 1.10 60ft 4.95-4.97 ET 144 mph

Again my combo is built all or nothing on nitrous side. . pretty much a slug on motor compared to the Nitrous pass.
__________________
Bjuice..

"I'M YOUR HUCKLEBERRY ! "
bjuice is offline  
Old 06-12-2013, 04:24 AM
  #20  
TheRabbit
Senior Member
RACING JUNKIE
 
TheRabbit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Augusta, Ga.
Posts: 2,295
Default

I made a pass last weekend and by stupidity I didn't have my nitrous controller turn on. Talking about a turd. I got tired of riding it took so long to get to the end of the track! lol
There is a fine line for sure and I'm like you now BJ, it's a bunch of nitrous or NOTHING!
TheRabbit is offline  

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service