People, you need to read this and act NOW!
09-28-2007, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by chevguy65
They can have my gun when they pry it from my cold dead hands.
They better be good to because I have night vision and a high powered scope to pick them off as they come.
They better be good to because I have night vision and a high powered scope to pick them off as they come.
09-28-2007, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by woodsman
Originally Posted by chevguy65
They can have my gun when they pry it from my cold dead hands.
They better be good to because I have night vision and a high powered scope to pick them off as they come.
They better be good to because I have night vision and a high powered scope to pick them off as they come.
09-29-2007, 01:17 AM
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I can see the concern with the certain wording in the Bill. I just keep getting stuck on one thing.
Under what circumstances can anyone tell me it's OK for some with Alzhiemers, PTSS, or any other mental condition to have any weapon, much less a fire arm.
I realize the concern is we give an inch they take a mile. Personally I don't think we need any more laws, just need to inforce the ones already on the books.
The other issue I have is these idiot a$$ politicians trying to say this helps prevent the criminal element from having guns. I'm obviously not a criminal but if I wanted to commit a crime I'd steal a gun or buy one second hand, not from Cabella's.
"If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns!"
Idiot's all of them, :x
Under what circumstances can anyone tell me it's OK for some with Alzhiemers, PTSS, or any other mental condition to have any weapon, much less a fire arm.
I realize the concern is we give an inch they take a mile. Personally I don't think we need any more laws, just need to inforce the ones already on the books.
The other issue I have is these idiot a$$ politicians trying to say this helps prevent the criminal element from having guns. I'm obviously not a criminal but if I wanted to commit a crime I'd steal a gun or buy one second hand, not from Cabella's.
"If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns!"
Idiot's all of them, :x
09-29-2007, 08:19 AM
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Everyone with morals and a little bit of sense knows that you don't give a gun to a crazy person. This part of the law is not enforceable. It goes back to legislating morals. The one with no morals don't follow the law. The one with morals don't need the law.
This is the problem. The laws are not enforcible. They are just laws that some politician thought would be a good Idea, and would get him some votes. There are not enough police to frisk everybody every day. There aren't enough to even frisk the suspicious ones. How can you enforce this kind of law?
If you see a politician that is saying make new laws for this. You can bet he's just looking for votes. Either he is playing with short deck or thinks we are. But what the hey. It gives him something to side track us with, when we ask what did you do with all my money.
Originally Posted by blittle
("Under what circumstances can anyone tell me it's OK for some with Alzhiemers, PTSS, or any other mental condition to have any weapon, much less a fire arm.")
("I realize the concern is we give an inch they take a mile. Personally I don't think we need any more laws, just need to inforce the ones already on the books.")
If you see a politician that is saying make new laws for this. You can bet he's just looking for votes. Either he is playing with short deck or thinks we are. But what the hey. It gives him something to side track us with, when we ask what did you do with all my money.
10-05-2007, 04:25 AM
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NRA board member Nugent nukes gun control deal
NRA board member Ted Nugent has come out in opposition to H.R. 2640, calling it “Janet Reno’s dream.” Here’s what rocker Nugent said about H.R. 2640:
In its open letter of May 9, 2007, BATFE makes it clear that this "danger" doesn't have to be "imminent" or "substantial," but can include "any danger" at all. How many shrinks -- using the Pennsylvania standard -- are going to say that a pro-gun American like you, who believes the Second Amendment is the last defense against tyranny, DOESN'T POSE AT LEAST AN INFINITESIMAL RISK of hurting someone else?
As easy as that, your gun rights would be gone forever.
(Go here to read Nugent’s full comments: http://www.tednugent.com/hunting/hun...?PostID=179060)
Veteran’s group’s oppose H.R. 2640
The American Legion and the Military Order of the Purple Heart have joined National Association for Gun Rights, Gun Owners of America and dozens and dozens of state and local gun rights groups in opposition to Rep. Carolyn McCarthy and Sen. Patrick Leahy’s massive expansion of the Brady Registration Act, H.R. 2640.
Opposition to H.R. 2640 continues to grow, thanks exclusively to the grassroots activism of gun owners -- like you and me-- across the country. All of the establishment, and notably the institutional gun lobby – that’s the NRA and their Gucci-loafered lobbyists – are supporting H.R. 2640, the McCarthy/Leahy Gun Control Bill.
The NRA continues to make excuses; using legislative and legal doublespeak to mislead their members about this bill.
Make no mistake; H.R. 2640 is a massive expansion of the unconstitutional Brady Registration Act. This gun control legislation gives unprecedented new powers to the federal government’s NICS system to open up supposedly private mental health records to government scrutiny. This bill aims to criminalize our nation’s combat veterans and anyone who’s sought help for depression or other mental concerns normally associated with combat. They are working hard to give the Federal Government – and their uncontrollable beast, the BATFE-- the tools they need to persecute and prosecute gun owners.
In a Capitol Hill publication yesterday, even the President of the Brady Campaign was singing the praises of the NRA for supporting this gun control measure: (Go here to read the full article: http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...007-10-03.html)
The president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, Paul Helmke, said he remains optimistic that the Senate impasse can be cleared, ascribing it to the everyday difficulty of moving a complex bill through Congress.
While the NRA has not tapped its extensive grassroots membership to help the background-check measure pass, Helmke said the premier gun group’s support was enough.
“Their concern is that some of their grassroots feels the same as the GOA on this, and they don’t want to risk alienating some of their members,” Helmke said. “They’re taking the right position here, which is that not everybody should get a gun.” [Emphasis added]
That’s right: the Brady Campaign and the NRA are giving the federal government even more power to decide who should not have firearms.
But the Washington insider publication betrays the achilles heel of this battle: the NRA hasn't gone to their members to sell this, largely because so very few gun owners -- except those who believe the NRA can do no wrong, ever -- can buy into their cut-and-run strategy. "Let's do it to ourselves (pass gun control in the wake of Virginia Tech) before they do it to us" is a song that has been sung a hundred times by NRA leadership on a state and federal level, and it's become obvious where that strategy leads America.
Just how far has the NRA betrayed gun owners?
The NRA is cutting back room deals with the Brady Campaign and notorious anti-gun legislators like Sen. Chuck Schummer and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy; all in the name of political access. They keep saying they are “improving” current gun controls laws. Gun owners don’t want these laws “improved”, we want them repealed. The NRA is simply trying to guild the chains that bind us.
The NRA’s betrayal of gun owners on H.R. 2640 has been well documented. (For further evidence go here: http://www.nationalgunrights.org/othershr2640.shtml)
“Don't faint, but the National Rifle Association and the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence have joined forces behind a bill regulating the sale of firearms.” --“Gun reform with NRA blessing,” The Denver Post, June 17, 2007
“The difference is that the NRA endorsed the background check improvements, boosting its chances of becoming the first major national gun control law in more than a decade.” --Andrew Taylor of Associated Press, “NRA Challenges Gun-Control Democrats,” www.ABCNews.com, June 27, 2007
“'’When the NRA and I agree on legislation, you know that it's going to get through, become law and do some good,' says Schumer.” --“NRA, Democrats Team Up To Pass Gun Bill”, www.cbsnews.com, June 13, 2007
There is some good news for gun owners: Second Amendment hero Senator Tom Coburn continues to fight against H.R. 2640. Opposition is building, but we still have a long way to go.
ACTION:
Keep up the pressure on Jim Webb and the NRA
NRA board member Ted Nugent has come out in opposition to H.R. 2640, calling it “Janet Reno’s dream.” Here’s what rocker Nugent said about H.R. 2640:
In its open letter of May 9, 2007, BATFE makes it clear that this "danger" doesn't have to be "imminent" or "substantial," but can include "any danger" at all. How many shrinks -- using the Pennsylvania standard -- are going to say that a pro-gun American like you, who believes the Second Amendment is the last defense against tyranny, DOESN'T POSE AT LEAST AN INFINITESIMAL RISK of hurting someone else?
As easy as that, your gun rights would be gone forever.
(Go here to read Nugent’s full comments: http://www.tednugent.com/hunting/hun...?PostID=179060)
Veteran’s group’s oppose H.R. 2640
The American Legion and the Military Order of the Purple Heart have joined National Association for Gun Rights, Gun Owners of America and dozens and dozens of state and local gun rights groups in opposition to Rep. Carolyn McCarthy and Sen. Patrick Leahy’s massive expansion of the Brady Registration Act, H.R. 2640.
Opposition to H.R. 2640 continues to grow, thanks exclusively to the grassroots activism of gun owners -- like you and me-- across the country. All of the establishment, and notably the institutional gun lobby – that’s the NRA and their Gucci-loafered lobbyists – are supporting H.R. 2640, the McCarthy/Leahy Gun Control Bill.
The NRA continues to make excuses; using legislative and legal doublespeak to mislead their members about this bill.
Make no mistake; H.R. 2640 is a massive expansion of the unconstitutional Brady Registration Act. This gun control legislation gives unprecedented new powers to the federal government’s NICS system to open up supposedly private mental health records to government scrutiny. This bill aims to criminalize our nation’s combat veterans and anyone who’s sought help for depression or other mental concerns normally associated with combat. They are working hard to give the Federal Government – and their uncontrollable beast, the BATFE-- the tools they need to persecute and prosecute gun owners.
In a Capitol Hill publication yesterday, even the President of the Brady Campaign was singing the praises of the NRA for supporting this gun control measure: (Go here to read the full article: http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...007-10-03.html)
The president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, Paul Helmke, said he remains optimistic that the Senate impasse can be cleared, ascribing it to the everyday difficulty of moving a complex bill through Congress.
While the NRA has not tapped its extensive grassroots membership to help the background-check measure pass, Helmke said the premier gun group’s support was enough.
“Their concern is that some of their grassroots feels the same as the GOA on this, and they don’t want to risk alienating some of their members,” Helmke said. “They’re taking the right position here, which is that not everybody should get a gun.” [Emphasis added]
That’s right: the Brady Campaign and the NRA are giving the federal government even more power to decide who should not have firearms.
But the Washington insider publication betrays the achilles heel of this battle: the NRA hasn't gone to their members to sell this, largely because so very few gun owners -- except those who believe the NRA can do no wrong, ever -- can buy into their cut-and-run strategy. "Let's do it to ourselves (pass gun control in the wake of Virginia Tech) before they do it to us" is a song that has been sung a hundred times by NRA leadership on a state and federal level, and it's become obvious where that strategy leads America.
Just how far has the NRA betrayed gun owners?
The NRA is cutting back room deals with the Brady Campaign and notorious anti-gun legislators like Sen. Chuck Schummer and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy; all in the name of political access. They keep saying they are “improving” current gun controls laws. Gun owners don’t want these laws “improved”, we want them repealed. The NRA is simply trying to guild the chains that bind us.
The NRA’s betrayal of gun owners on H.R. 2640 has been well documented. (For further evidence go here: http://www.nationalgunrights.org/othershr2640.shtml)
“Don't faint, but the National Rifle Association and the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence have joined forces behind a bill regulating the sale of firearms.” --“Gun reform with NRA blessing,” The Denver Post, June 17, 2007
“The difference is that the NRA endorsed the background check improvements, boosting its chances of becoming the first major national gun control law in more than a decade.” --Andrew Taylor of Associated Press, “NRA Challenges Gun-Control Democrats,” www.ABCNews.com, June 27, 2007
“'’When the NRA and I agree on legislation, you know that it's going to get through, become law and do some good,' says Schumer.” --“NRA, Democrats Team Up To Pass Gun Bill”, www.cbsnews.com, June 13, 2007
There is some good news for gun owners: Second Amendment hero Senator Tom Coburn continues to fight against H.R. 2640. Opposition is building, but we still have a long way to go.
ACTION:
Keep up the pressure on Jim Webb and the NRA
