lively

most laws a hidden in pork bills or put inside other laws to get them passed and the voters do not even know about them till they are already passed---ILLINOIS IS FULL OF SUCH LAWS!!!!
IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DO NOT STAND AGAINST THIS CORRUPTION WE WILL BE TOOK OVER BY SOCIALISM AND THE OBAMA LIKES!!!!!
I WAS TAUGHT BY MY FATHER TO STAND FOR THE TRUTH AND FREEDOM NO MATTER WHAT[1000'S HAVE DIED FOR THIS CAUSE AND I WILL NOT FORGET THEM---IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE FREEDOM YOU DID NOT EARN AND WON'T FIGHT FOR THEM NOW -THEN LEAVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

LIVELY- IN THE MOST CORRUPT STATE IN AMERICA--ILLINOIS

dparker

I'm sorry but most laws aren't hid in pork bills. Pork bills are appropriations that yield jobs or other benefits to a specific locale that a Representative, Senator, or other politician get to apply where ever they want. Corruption isn't from hiding laws its from breaking them. The monies in corporate American are so high people are will to risk whatever to get their hands on it. One of our problems with this is we don't have enough laws to prevent it. CEOs can take monies from a company in bonuses or whatever until they break the company and only get a slap on the hand. Makes it to where they think the end justifies the means. Our problem is we've become desensitized to immorallity and uneducated on how our system is built to work.

lively

dparker---you are very stupid to think that laws and regulations are not hid in pork bills----CONTACT SEMA AND CHECK IT OUT--- and stimulus packages---ILLINOIS IS ALWAYS HIDING THINGS ALL THE TIME --YOU NEED TO OPEN YOUR EYES AND GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE SAND--MAYBE IN YOUR STATE THERE IS NO CORRUPTION BUT IN MINE IT IS FILFTHY WITH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIVELY

dparker

Your argument just proves the ignorance I'm talking about. Show me a Law Hidden in a Pork Bill thats going to get you thrown in jail. A pork bill that takes away our guns. Do you know the difference between a law and a bill? What we were talking about were laws that were hidden so we would break them and get us put into jail and that these laws were hidden in pork bills. Yes pork bill monies are going to the wrong things. I've never said I agree with pork bills. Pork bill intially were for politicians to put monies where they thought where fit, since they should know best what their district needs. But it never worked as planned, its become a way to abuse power. And a way Government got stronger and bigger. Pork bills are appropriations(funds) that yield jobs or other benefits to a specific locale that a Representative, Senator, or other politician get to apply where ever they want. What the government is scheming to put us in jail. Texas voters have changed their laws by voting in people that will fight for similiar things. You live in Illinois, and with others voted in your corrupt politicians. Damn then your going to blame the government, when ya'll voted them in. If you would get up off your ass or couch and do and/or stand for something other than bad mouthing the government, maybe Illinois would change. Probably not, you'll just argue with me and stay a couch potato, while at the same time making another uneducated vote for another corrupt Governor. Again there's no cure for stupid.

lively

i voted against every corrupt GOVERNOR AND CONGRESSMAN AND SENATOR IN MY STATE FOR THE LAST 35 YEARS--THEY GET IT FROM THE POLITICAL GAMESMANSHIP OF BUYING YOUR JOBS[ PROMISING KICKBACKS]--COME TO ILLINOIS AND CHANGE THIS CORRUPT SYSTEM--IT IS DEEPLY INBEDDED IN CHICAGO--THEN YOUR CAN TELL ME ABOUT IT--I AM VERY VOCAL IN THE POLITICAL SCHEME IN MY AREA AND STAND UP AGAINST THE BRIBERY AND SCHEMING THAT GOES ON

YOUR GOVERNOR HASN'T EXACTLY LOOKED THE BEST LATELY EITHER---DID YOU VOTE HIM IN
YOU CAN TALK POLITICAL CORRECTNESS ALL YOU WANT --IT STILL COMES DOWN TO A CROOK IS A CROOK -NO MATTER WHAT SIDES HE CLAIMS TO BE ON

WHEN THEY COME AND TAKE YOUR KIDS/ WIFE/ GRANDKIDS/ PARENTS- THEN TELL ME THE COURTS WILL SETTLE IT--WHEN YOU HAVE SEEN YOUR KID BEHIND BARS FOR SOMETHING HE DID NOT DO THEN TELL ME THE COURTS WILL HANDLE IT-WHEN YOU SIT IN A COURT ROOM AND WATCH A POLITICIAN WALK OUT WITH PROBATION FOR 6 MONTHS AFTER STEALING 250,000 DOLLARS FROM THE COFFERS AND NOT HAVING TO PAY IT BACK THEN TELL ME THE COURTS WILL HANDLE IT-OTHERWISE -YOU NEED TO SHUT UP AND STOP DEFENDING OUR CORRUPT GOVERNMENT

LIVELY

dparker

YOU NEED TO SHUT UP AND STOP DEFENDING OUR CORRUPT GOVERNMENT

Damn I'm sorry I must of stepped on the toes of our internet Super Hero. I guess if I don't agree with lively I'd better shut up. For the Hell of it lets just say Lively's got all the answers. Our next move would be to tell our government leaders they can solve all our problems of RJ discussion forum. Lively's got the answers. All politicians are corrupt, lets do away with government and everyone will rule themselves. Damn we've just solved the world's problems. Thanks Lively your the man. And just think about all the wars fought to preserve this way of life and all we would have had to do is ask Lively. Complain about how screwed up our government is and now I don't have to worry about the government coming to, what did you say: "THEY COME AND TAKE YOUR KIDS/ WIFE/ GRANDKIDS/ PARENTS-"
Not
Your way, since we have some corrupt politicians then our government is corrupt. So therefore since there are scammers on RJ we are all scammers.
What I'd like to know my little internet Super hero, have you done anything to be seen or heard. Sent any money to http://secondamendmentmarch.com/ ? I bet not. Its a good thing our Forefathers didn't have forums. Hect they would have been been bad mouthing England on a forum instead of organizing, planning and defeating them. To bad its not mandatory for us to have to run for office or spend time at our state round house. To get some comprehension of how hard it is to get things accomplished when the majority of the voters know nothing about whats going on in government and those that do will do nothing to have their voices heard. I can just imagine the Minute Men sitting on their couches watching ESPN and changing the world.
Wake up and Smell the coffee.........we're part of the problem!!!!!!!!!!!

outlaw256

dparker, i cant type a long one now but if you want to argue politics im your huckleberry pm me your # or ill pm you mine no mtter to me. im no couch tater. im very well educated. so lets talk. id like to see if your as smart as you think you are.

dparker

Dang I feel like I've been called out by Wyat Earp. Do I bring my six gun or is it bare knuckle. PMs on its way. Please be gentle.
Tom Sawyer

superbadass532

The problem is they most likely won't be able to take all the guns but the constitution doesn't say anything about right to bare ammo!
The other problem and biggest problem is that most americans have become so complacent that they won't even see this coming! WAKE UP EVERYBODY !!!!!! When they take our rights away thats it. Don't think that they will come back. They WON'T!!!!!!!!

lively

I AGREE 8) 8)
LIVELY