turbo 400 built by harry tillman of aston pa.
09-27-2009, 04:48 PM
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Re: turbo 400 built by harry tillman of aston pa.
Originally Posted by OneBadGMC
Originally Posted by mwcoc
I BOUGHT THIS TRANSMISION FROM HARRY TILLMANS IN ASTON PA, WENT AROUND THE BLOCK 1 TIME WITH THIS TRANSMISION , WHEN I TOOK IT TO THE TRACK , I SHIFTED FROM FIRST TO SECOND IN THE BURNOUT THE TRANSMISION EXPLODED, THIS WAS STREET CAR THAT THIS TRANS WAS IN , WHEN IN ALL REALITY THIS WAS TRANS WAS BUILT FOR A HIGH HORSEPOWER CAR , WHICH COST $1375.00 , REASON FOR EXPLOSION: WE TOOK THE TRANS TO 2 OTHER TRANSMISSION SHOPS TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED AND THEY TOLD US THAT THE HIGH GEAR DRUM HAD A CRACK IN IT IN WHICH THE BUILDER DID NOT SEE. THIS TRANS BENT THE DRIVESHAFT IN A U SHAPE , TOOK THE FLOOR OUT , AND TOOK A CORNER OF THE ENGINE BLOCK OFF. WHEN WE WENT HARRY HE WOULDNT DO NOTHING FOR ME. THANKS HARRY TILLMAN SPEED SHOP OF ASTON PA. [/code][/url]
Well, if you knew anything about transmissions, you'd know to NEVER do a burnout in 1st gear with a 3-speed transmission.
When the 1-2 shift occurs in a non-loaded condition, such as a burnout, the low roller sprag can over speed and fail, causing a catastrophic failure like the one you encountered.
The same failure can happen if there is a driveshaft or rear end failure at any point when power is being applied.
The same failure can occur when you shift into neutral at the top end of the track.
If the drum failed, how would they know it was cracked prior? How do you know the low roller sprag didn't fail when you did an improper burnout?
09-27-2009, 04:57 PM
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Re: turbo 400 built by harry tillman of aston pa.
Originally Posted by Joes69
Originally Posted by OneBadGMC
Originally Posted by mwcoc
I BOUGHT THIS TRANSMISION FROM HARRY TILLMANS IN ASTON PA, WENT AROUND THE BLOCK 1 TIME WITH THIS TRANSMISION , WHEN I TOOK IT TO THE TRACK , I SHIFTED FROM FIRST TO SECOND IN THE BURNOUT THE TRANSMISION EXPLODED, THIS WAS STREET CAR THAT THIS TRANS WAS IN , WHEN IN ALL REALITY THIS WAS TRANS WAS BUILT FOR A HIGH HORSEPOWER CAR , WHICH COST $1375.00 , REASON FOR EXPLOSION: WE TOOK THE TRANS TO 2 OTHER TRANSMISSION SHOPS TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED AND THEY TOLD US THAT THE HIGH GEAR DRUM HAD A CRACK IN IT IN WHICH THE BUILDER DID NOT SEE. THIS TRANS BENT THE DRIVESHAFT IN A U SHAPE , TOOK THE FLOOR OUT , AND TOOK A CORNER OF THE ENGINE BLOCK OFF. WHEN WE WENT HARRY HE WOULDNT DO NOTHING FOR ME. THANKS HARRY TILLMAN SPEED SHOP OF ASTON PA. [/code][/url]
Well, if you knew anything about transmissions, you'd know to NEVER do a burnout in 1st gear with a 3-speed transmission.
When the 1-2 shift occurs in a non-loaded condition, such as a burnout, the low roller sprag can over speed and fail, causing a catastrophic failure like the one you encountered.
The same failure can happen if there is a driveshaft or rear end failure at any point when power is being applied.
The same failure can occur when you shift into neutral at the top end of the track.
If the drum failed, how would they know it was cracked prior? How do you know the low roller sprag didn't fail when you did an improper burnout?
09-27-2009, 06:09 PM
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There's what can happen if you start your burnout in first, or go into neutral going through the traps.
That will also happen if the low clutch sprag fails.
I mean, it's only your life... That whole drum can come right up through the car and out the windshield. That's why there's straps going under the transmission pan locking it to the shield up top.
09-27-2009, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by wvhippie
What is the proper way to do a burnout with a 3 speed auto? :?
If you have enough power to do high gear only, that's the best way.
09-27-2009, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Tod74
what if it doesn't have a manual valve body? won't it be in low no matter what? just asking.
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=30
Ask Hutch over there what to do for auto valve bodies. I would have to assume that not many who are racing use auto valve bodies.
09-28-2009, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by OneBadGMC
Originally Posted by wvhippie
What is the proper way to do a burnout with a 3 speed auto? :?
If you have enough power to do high gear only, that's the best way.
09-28-2009, 09:52 AM
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Just to clear this up...
This transmission was sold over two years ago to a customer and was sold (changed hands) two times in between now and then. I won't get into the real story about how this transmission changed hands but from what I understand one customer owed another, etc. You know how it goes from there.
This transmission was not originally built for the vehicle that it ended up in, which was not at all anything that Tillman Speed in any way suggested nor endorsed.
How can you possibly prove that there was a crack before the disasterous burnout you mention? As everyone else stated here... you can't do a burnout in first gear like that. You never mentioned that to us at the shop, either?!
Of course we're not going to do anything about a 2 year old transmission that wasn't built for the spec'd car that it went into and changed hands two times in the mean time.
I'm sorry about your problem that you encountered, but in this particular situation I feel that posting ads on craigslist and racingjunk slandering us is not the way to handle it.
Maybe you missed the terms and conditions that you have to check in order to make a post. In case you missed them:
WARNING: ALTHOUGH WE ENCOURAGE THE OPEN EXCHANGE OF THOUGHTS AND IDEAS IN OUR FORUMS, ANY STATEMENTS POSTED MUST BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TERMS OF USE OF THIS WEBSITE. TO THIS END, NO POSTINGS MAY MAKE ANY STATEMENTS, REFERENCES OR IMPLICATIONS ABOUT ANY PERSON OR PRODUCT THAT ARE UNLAWFUL, THREATENING, LIBELOUS, DEFAMATORY, OBSCENE, PORNOGRAPHIC OR WOULD OTHERWISE VIOLATE ANY LAW.
Please CALL if you'd like to discuss further.
Chris Rose
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This transmission was sold over two years ago to a customer and was sold (changed hands) two times in between now and then. I won't get into the real story about how this transmission changed hands but from what I understand one customer owed another, etc. You know how it goes from there.
This transmission was not originally built for the vehicle that it ended up in, which was not at all anything that Tillman Speed in any way suggested nor endorsed.
How can you possibly prove that there was a crack before the disasterous burnout you mention? As everyone else stated here... you can't do a burnout in first gear like that. You never mentioned that to us at the shop, either?!
Of course we're not going to do anything about a 2 year old transmission that wasn't built for the spec'd car that it went into and changed hands two times in the mean time.
I'm sorry about your problem that you encountered, but in this particular situation I feel that posting ads on craigslist and racingjunk slandering us is not the way to handle it.
Maybe you missed the terms and conditions that you have to check in order to make a post. In case you missed them:
WARNING: ALTHOUGH WE ENCOURAGE THE OPEN EXCHANGE OF THOUGHTS AND IDEAS IN OUR FORUMS, ANY STATEMENTS POSTED MUST BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TERMS OF USE OF THIS WEBSITE. TO THIS END, NO POSTINGS MAY MAKE ANY STATEMENTS, REFERENCES OR IMPLICATIONS ABOUT ANY PERSON OR PRODUCT THAT ARE UNLAWFUL, THREATENING, LIBELOUS, DEFAMATORY, OBSCENE, PORNOGRAPHIC OR WOULD OTHERWISE VIOLATE ANY LAW.
Please CALL if you'd like to discuss further.
Chris Rose
Tillman Speed Inc.
www.shoptillman.com
610-497-5776
09-28-2009, 10:18 AM
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Chris,
Thanks for coming on here and clearing up your companies name. It always seems there is more to the story than whats originally posted!
Thanks again and welcome to the forum!
Thanks for coming on here and clearing up your companies name. It always seems there is more to the story than whats originally posted!
Thanks again and welcome to the forum!
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