Expert opinion needed for choosing the propper valve spring
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Since no one has answered this question, i'll give it a shot with what i use. i use 240 lbs seat pressure and change them out when they get down too 220 lbs. The one thing i question though is the 1.805 installed height. You're looking at .630 lift and most roller springs coil bind at 1.180, that leaves no room at all. I have 2 rollers 1 @ .625 lift and the other @ .668 lift and i have the spring heigth set @ 1.950 with .100 long valves.
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A closed set pressure of 140 lbs would "only" work for a hydraulic roller cam with the lift in the low .500s, not a solid roller (SR) with the lift at the valve in the 600+ range.
With my SR cams for SBCs, I've been using PAC-1243 springs. Which install at 1.900, w/ 240 closed seat pressure, 625 open and coil-bind at 1.100. That in-turn allows for .700 lift at the valve without any problems.
The .100" longer valves should work to achieve the 1.900" installed height, which is typical for the SR cam valve springs. And, I would not settle for anything less-than the 1.900 installed height.
Warren
With my SR cams for SBCs, I've been using PAC-1243 springs. Which install at 1.900, w/ 240 closed seat pressure, 625 open and coil-bind at 1.100. That in-turn allows for .700 lift at the valve without any problems.
The .100" longer valves should work to achieve the 1.900" installed height, which is typical for the SR cam valve springs. And, I would not settle for anything less-than the 1.900 installed height.
Warren
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Originally Posted by EJ48315
I told my situation to one of the tech guys at summit and he directed me to comp 953-16 springs.
Specs: COMP Cams 953-16
Recommended Camshaft Style Roller solid
Installed Height (in) 1.900 in.
Seat Pressure at Installed Height (lbs) 148 lbs.
Open Height (in) 1.250 in.
Open Pressure (lbs) 455 lbs.
Dual
1.535 in. Outside Diameter
496 lbs./in. Rate
1.085 in. Coil Bind Height
I plan to swap out the .060 cups for .015 shims and use +.050 offset locks which would put my installed hight dead on at 1.9"
Specs: COMP Cams 953-16
Recommended Camshaft Style Roller solid
Installed Height (in) 1.900 in.
Seat Pressure at Installed Height (lbs) 148 lbs.
Open Height (in) 1.250 in.
Open Pressure (lbs) 455 lbs.
Dual
1.535 in. Outside Diameter
496 lbs./in. Rate
1.085 in. Coil Bind Height
I plan to swap out the .060 cups for .015 shims and use +.050 offset locks which would put my installed hight dead on at 1.9"
As mentioned in the engineer's above post compCams will have the answer, but i'll save you the trouble of calling them.
The valve springs recommended for the cam you have is P/N 943-16. these springs have a seat pressure rating of 240 lbs @ 1.900 installed height and a coil bind of 1.180.
I looked up you cam at Comp Cams (12-900-9) (288A-R6) and these were the recommended springs, i then looked the springs and the above #'s came from the spring discription.
Zip.
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Originally Posted by zipper06
Originally Posted by EJ48315
I told my situation to one of the tech guys at summit and he directed me to comp 953-16 springs.
Specs: COMP Cams 953-16
Recommended Camshaft Style Roller solid
Installed Height (in) 1.900 in.
Seat Pressure at Installed Height (lbs) 148 lbs.
Open Height (in) 1.250 in.
Open Pressure (lbs) 455 lbs.
Dual
1.535 in. Outside Diameter
496 lbs./in. Rate
1.085 in. Coil Bind Height
I plan to swap out the .060 cups for .015 shims and use +.050 offset locks which would put my installed hight dead on at 1.9"
Specs: COMP Cams 953-16
Recommended Camshaft Style Roller solid
Installed Height (in) 1.900 in.
Seat Pressure at Installed Height (lbs) 148 lbs.
Open Height (in) 1.250 in.
Open Pressure (lbs) 455 lbs.
Dual
1.535 in. Outside Diameter
496 lbs./in. Rate
1.085 in. Coil Bind Height
I plan to swap out the .060 cups for .015 shims and use +.050 offset locks which would put my installed hight dead on at 1.9"
As mentioned in the engineer's above post compCams will have the answer, but i'll save you the trouble of calling them.
The valve springs recommended for the cam you have is P/N 943-16. these springs have a seat pressure rating of 240 lbs @ 1.900 installed height and a coil bind of 1.180.
I looked up you cam at Comp Cams (12-900-9) (288A-R6) and these were the recommended springs, i then looked the springs and the above #'s came from the spring discription.
Zip.
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Engineer & Zip, definitely not wrong about the springs, but the next question will be why the roller lifters went bad so quickly and wiped out the lobe on the camshaft.
EJ48315: Just because the springs that the tech guy sold you physically fit, doesn't mean that they are the correct ones for the application and will not cause you other problems. It is not all about higher RPM's, as the ramps on the solid roller lifter camshaft are steeper than the ones on the hydraulic camshaft. This causes the valve to be thrown off of the seat and with your heavier valves it causes the roller lifter to not stay in contact with the camshaft when it goes to close the valve. This causes the roller lifter to bounce on the cam lobe and will damage the roller bearings in a very short time and will in turn cause the roller lifter to fail which will then wipe the lobe on your camshaft. Something else that you might try, that is not used very much anymore because the valve spring technology has gotten so much better, is a rev kit. The rev kit installs on top of the roller lifters to the bottom of the heads. This will be extra spring pressure on the roller lifters and will keep them planted on the camshaft.
Just a thought,
Bill Mitchell
EJ48315: Just because the springs that the tech guy sold you physically fit, doesn't mean that they are the correct ones for the application and will not cause you other problems. It is not all about higher RPM's, as the ramps on the solid roller lifter camshaft are steeper than the ones on the hydraulic camshaft. This causes the valve to be thrown off of the seat and with your heavier valves it causes the roller lifter to not stay in contact with the camshaft when it goes to close the valve. This causes the roller lifter to bounce on the cam lobe and will damage the roller bearings in a very short time and will in turn cause the roller lifter to fail which will then wipe the lobe on your camshaft. Something else that you might try, that is not used very much anymore because the valve spring technology has gotten so much better, is a rev kit. The rev kit installs on top of the roller lifters to the bottom of the heads. This will be extra spring pressure on the roller lifters and will keep them planted on the camshaft.
Just a thought,
Bill Mitchell
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My thoughts?? YOUR HARD HEADED!
Listen to Zip and what the others have been telling you.
Gezz man, what part of this dont you understand???
"The valve springs recommended for the cam you have is P/N 943-16. these springs have a seat pressure rating of 240 lbs @ 1.900 installed height and a coil bind of 1.180.
I looked up you cam at Comp Cams (12-900-9) (288A-R6) and these were the recommended springs."
Using cheap valves & weak springs is a recipe for disaster with a solid roller.
JMO, CP
Listen to Zip and what the others have been telling you.
Gezz man, what part of this dont you understand???
"The valve springs recommended for the cam you have is P/N 943-16. these springs have a seat pressure rating of 240 lbs @ 1.900 installed height and a coil bind of 1.180.
I looked up you cam at Comp Cams (12-900-9) (288A-R6) and these were the recommended springs."
Using cheap valves & weak springs is a recipe for disaster with a solid roller.
JMO, CP
#10
Originally Posted by EJ48315
Originally Posted by sp2816
Something else that you might try, that is not used very much anymore because the valve spring technology has gotten so much better, is a rev kit. The rev kit installs on top of the roller lifters to the bottom of the heads. This will be extra spring pressure on the roller lifters and will keep them planted on the camshaft.
Just a thought,
Bill Mitchell
Just a thought,
Bill Mitchell
Thanks Bill :wink:
JMO Dave