we have a guy here that builts left turn cars and it reminds me of when we had a good machine/speed shop here in town. you can go into his shop whatch him build cars even the occasional hot rod and spend few hours shootin the chit and bouncing ideas off other guys. the machine shop closed but one of the employees opened his own but no comroddery and since hes about the only game in town for machine work he has a major chip on his shoulders and is kind of a rude azz to people. where as the old machine shop you could shoot the chit with the guys up front or in back get advice and learn what combos would work what ones might and what ones wouldnt work at all. yep the days of yore