well i quess all are valid reasons.i was afraid it was going to slow down so much they just shut it down. happenend to a forum i liked not to long ago.oh and mark, you drivin a mopar i can see why your so busy. hard work keepin those damn things runnin.loljust kiddin my freind. i really have always liked the mpoars.they are legendary in my heart!! mr. harbone, when i feel like typing a book ill send you a pm,let you know what going on with me. tanks guys for the answers, gives me just a tad more to think about.lol