was at a young age of 19, heading to yakima, with a friend going to supershops to get some parts he needed, he was driving his lowrider truck, pass had heavy snow on it, he was pissed, he said these damn truckers drive slow as hell, he passed the truck and got up to 70 or so and lost it on the black ice, there was oncomming traffic and we went around a few times and finally slapped the gaurd rail with the back of his truck, we both grabbed another beer, he grabbed 2nd gear and off we went, like it was no big deal, man that was 23 yrs ago