NO ..NO..TOD, no blame, I thought it was a good topic for a spirited discussion. just dont know how it so quickly turned into a spitting match. knowbody knows it all & I try to learn from everybodys experiences. On the point you were making in that thread I agree with you, I am in court about once a month to testify on eviction notices that I have served. I will say this, there is the law as written, and there is what the judge says it is (at least here in cook co il) , and that will vari from judge to judge.