Hey guys..... Thanks for all of the great feedback! If you haven't noticed this thread has had the most action out of all the threads on this site! That has to say something. I didn't win my case against fram but if this thread can tell just a few people about those poor quality filters and save someone else from engine failure then me losing in court may have been worth it..... WELL MAYBE?? Something that really got to me this weekend was I was watching the NHRA races in North Carolina and the winner of top fuel had Fram plastered all over his car,truck,hats,helmet in his cockpit every where!! These guys are so big they don't care about the little guys. I don't know if you guys know but Fram is owned by one of the biggest corporations in the world , Honeywell!! Now you know why the US government uses them!! Everybody that reads this thread do me and yourself a favor.......... if you get a chance find an old fram filter don't buy one (I won't give those SOB's another dime of my money) then buy a Wix or Napa then cut them open (If you have a oil filter cutter would be best) and make you own comparison! Let me know what you find? The Fram IS JUNK !!!