Thanks zip! I think its worse, i think there is a band applying that shouldnt when it goes in second that is o.d. related.... If i put it in o.d. and take off, at about 20mph something grabs in the tranny and will actually stop the truck....Put it in d and keep on goin... I was also thinking the o.d. clutches could be welded together and are suppose to freespin when in second? i dunno