What the hell is it you don't understand? It's the same dam thing I just said. Obviously your a bunch of inbred idiots! Is there something you don't understand about a lein??? A lein is a document that needs to be signed off to make transfer of ownership possible. I eventually asked the bank to hold the lein on the vehicle even though it was paid off just so I had some legal clout. When he picked the car up I had the lein release as well as the title. Had he had the 14.5 he would've taken a clean title with him. Just because I had a release for the lein doesn't make it automatically released. It has to be put into the DMV system via the lein release I already had at the time OR the bank submitting documentation to the State. Therefore I requested they not submit a lein release to the State because of the situation at hand. This forum is obviosusly for idiots with nothing better to do. Enjoy it!! I'm done with it!! And as far as your title wayne--you can count on getting it--never! Keep your $1,000. I don't even want it anymore thief! And to the genius who would never buy from me--don't. Good for you. When I sell something--it's exactly what I say it is and I've NEVER thrown the screws to anyone on anything I've sold or traded, so your loss. Certainly not mine!! Enjoy your forum. I can see it is truely useless for the most part. You can't squeeze blood from a rock, so keep the 1K. I seriously have better things to do with my time than argue with people that really don't have a clue!!