well i have read this thread and i saw sox add about never selling a motor on rj again. all i can say is it sounds to me like sox knew what he was selling wasnt what it should have been. now befor you get all fired up sox in my eyes if you bought it the way it was and took some one elses word for what it was you sure didnt seem very upset about being lied to. you seem to be upset for other reasons. maybe you didnt know that you had been screwed. anybody buying a built motor should remove the oil pan and see what they are getting and anybody selling a motor as a built motor that is intent on being an honest seller would check befor selling as such. posting an add saying youve learned a leason youll never sell another motor on rj doesnt help you look innocent in my eyes. really its none of my buisness either way. i just get tired of the lame excuses i see on the scammers. truth is if you sell it you should know exactly without any doubt what it is or you should advertise it as i know nothing about it.