bjuice, you did nothing wrong. I have a local guy here who has a full round tube chassis car that is complete less motor and trans who wants $9500. The car has never made a pass and I offered him $4000 for a starting point, well he said when could I get him the money because he is going through a divorse and he don't want her to get it. Sometimes you just get lucky. Like you said, you have to start somewhere. By the way bjuice, give me a call when you get a chance. I tried to call you the other day I have a couple of things to ask you. Thanks