Originally Posted by Bubstr
...if you don't push the car it will push.
Very well put! There can be a world of difference between cornering performance at the limit and cornering performance short of that limit.
An excellent example was the early Corvair. With the recommended tire air pressures, handling...under normal conditions...was not drastically unlike other contemporary cars. But, at the limit...well, if Ernie Kovacs was still around, he could tell you what happens.
And, roll steer can really fool a driver. Roll steer affects the steering characteristics, but NOT the wheel loadings. So, if you have a car that goes into the outside wall head first as you exceed the limit, you can put as much roll oversteer as you like into it and it will continue to go into the outside wall head first as you exceed the limit.