ban Julian or Not ban Julian
 

ok I moved the Thread made by Julian to the Mod section to where only Mods and admins can review...It wasn't deleted.....


Although Julian feels like bringing my name up every so often ( bad move) and thinks I have taken sides against him (in-correct) I want to make sure Julian is treated fairly....I do not know a fairer way to be with someone then to let their peers decide.. ...after all I am fair person..

I also found this poll fitting since Julian likes making his own Post summoning opinions from the entire forum like he has the platform, he also insist he has a following...and he just might....by Voting No-one will know who you are unless you want them to..you can also make a comment or choose not to....

you decide....Does he stay or Go ????
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Bjuice..

"I'M YOUR HUCKLEBERRY ! "

Ban. TJ Hooker can take a hike. Unless he shows immediate humility & truly wants to make things right. Not looking good so far. I probably got too involved with this too much, said too much, got irritated too fast. Sorry if I offended anyone or rambled on too far... my bad.

please cast your Vote Scoot it makes it official...thanks for comment !


Guys remember to cast your Vote if your making a comment or Not...

thanks in advance


well what da ya know Julian a freakin Jury Trial is now in progress... 8)


Ban Julian------ Do not ban Julian
Yes BAN Julian
66% [ 2 ]
No Do Not Ban Julian
33% [ 1 ]

Total Votes : 3

Hey Scoot, no need to apologize. I don't think you offended anyone, you just voiced your opinion without the mud slinging.

I could care less about any pictures on anybody’s profile. I hardly ever go to peoples profiles. I don’t think I have ever asked to be friends with anybody. The few I have, have asked me. I really don’t care about the profiles. I come here for the forum and hanging out with the guys. I saw some girl posted some crap in Julian’s thread about the other guys being jealous and about their wives being fat. Again, I don’t care about all that mess. A persons wife is there business not any of mine. I am way beyond childish games like that.
Julian has done nothing but cause trouble from the first day he got here about more than one topic. By his attitude I really don't ever see him fitting in with the rest of us.
I say send him on his way to another forum and I will be glad to give him a good recommendation!

Ban Julian------ Do not ban Julian
Yes BAN Julian
75% [ 6 ]
No Do Not Ban Julian
25% [ 2 ]

Total Votes : 8

TTT


Ban Julian------ Do not ban Julian
Yes BAN Julian
81% [ 9 ]
No Do Not Ban Julian
18% [ 2 ]

Total Votes : 11

Julian has been through this type of issue before; Here is his November 4 post below:

URL: http://forums.racingjunk.com/viewtop...hlight=#122212

Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:38 am Post subject:

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The guy does have a valid argument guys. And as far as the honor payment goes would that not be an issue for racing junk to address,not you.? I myself don't agree with the whole honor payment thing. If RJ wants money for sales why don't they just charge like EBay?
I'M JUST PLAYING DEVILS ADVOCATE HERE. I myself know what its like to be ripped apart on a public forum. I had one old customer who was an idiot rip me and my old shop apart on a forum then get his cronies to join in despite never doing business with me and him being 100% wrong. I read the linked threads and unless I missed it, I fail to see where the scams were.perhaps I'm missing something.
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Brian:

Do I think he should be banned? I think he should be ignored if a reader doesnt like what he has to say. My dad used to say ignore someone and he will go away.

However he wont go away; he will stay.

So should he be banned? For having different ideas? No. For behaving like a jackass? nope.

For using homophobic slurs as a joke? no (though I found that distasteful).

For repeatedly disrupting threads in the Scammer forum to make them his own private soapbox? YES. Posters on the Scammer Forum need the most assistance on this site- The idea is to help them- and repeated and systematic disruption HURTS them.

Sadly Brian, in my opinion, as a moderator you dont have a choice.

Scorp

VERY well said Scorp.....EXIT stage RIGHT :arrow:

Ban Julian------ Do not ban Julian
Yes BAN Julian
82% [ 14 ]
No Do Not Ban Julian
17% [ 3 ]

Total Votes : 17

Times running out for Julian. Tick Tock, Tick Tock...
Sorry guys couldn't help it. I got way more involved in this than I wanted too.

Can I cast my vote? Ban me!!!!Ban me!!

Let me tell you the issue..
27,000 members of this forum, and about 12 active posters, You guys might wanna look at yourselves as the issue. The only person I had any issues with is Mark. the rest of you are just jumping on the bandwagon cause he is your boy. and Yall know that..

How about this, I just banned myself. 8)

Cmon ban me already so I can stop coming on here..

bump.

Ban Julian------ Do not ban Julian
Yes BAN Julian
86% [ 19 ]
No Do Not Ban Julian
13% [ 3 ]

Total Votes : 22

again, says he's not coming back but when nobody responds to that he just keeps typing, do we really need a vote when the guy says to ban him??

Well, I will go against the grain on this one. Scorp hit some great points. I think we are all guilty of hijacking threads at times and I think sometimes what we think is the right way to deal with someone is not necessarily the correct way.

The one thing we really have to understand in dealing on www is that we are a melting pot of characters and attitude. What may seem to be a proper way to handle something for me may not seem to be the proper way for Scorp or Chris or Mark, etc.


I think the Mods have done a very fair job on trying to handle things. They have spoken when needed and watched when appropriate. It is always a tough call as a moderator to have to step in and make a decision like this.

I think it is time for everyone involved in the postings to step back from the mud slinging and finger pointing. Take a deep breath and walk away. Move on and just ignore future comments or replying to those you just don't seem to be able to agree with.

Just my opinion...but I could be wrong.

Re: ban Julian or Not ban Julian
 

I vote no ban. I have stayed out of all the drama threads because they are pretty pointless. But they have kinda grown on me after a while. It's sorta like wrestling. You know it's fake...

Re: ban Julian or Not ban Julian
 

:lol:

Ban Julian------ Do not ban Julian
Yes BAN Julian
81%
81% [ 22 ]
No Do Not Ban Julian
18%
18% [ 5 ]
Total Votes : 27

Guess what I choose?? :twisted:

Well his racespace account is gone, havent seen him here all morning. maybe he finally stuck to his word of not coming back after saying it at least 10 times :!: I really dont think anyone has to ask me how I voted :twisted:

thanks for bringing that to light Scorp.....


tic,toc,tic,toc,tic toc.........getting sleepy yet Jules ?

Julian its a shame you can't just contribute like the rest of us ..cause No question you are a bright person...just so bright your stupid...and now your this close to losing privledges of being part of the best Racing Forum in the World.

Now you ask me a Question of why I'm considering banning you...Well my Good friend Scorp( and Respeced Member) just spelled it out for you.


I will check the vote count when I come back in tonight from the shop.

and for the record we are a bunch of Good ole Boys who sweep our own Floors !!!!

Shawn: I respect you for saying this. I wish I could will myself to behave like you speak about above. Call the Irish in me... whatever. Although you are absolutely correct; I will jump in the fight every time when it is my friend being unfairly attacked. Jillian was threatening him with warrants, arrests, etc... please... the guy is problem where ever he goes b/c of his attitude. Personally, I think people who are that arrogant in their insecurities need to be HAMMERED until they get some humility BEATEN into them. We are helping this Jillian understand that RESPECT & FRIENDSHIP IS EARNED. I have your backs; I really do. I make all kinds of mistakes in a day sometimes. Tell me if I am out of line- I will correct my behavior because I respect you. Will he??? But unfairly threaten my family or my friends, all bets are off.

Yeah it is a wwwforum, but the same people that really frequent this place are pals. It is about friendship... which takes time, trust, humility, etc... why is this place so great??? Friends. It's the people who make it so special. One guy who thinks this is a penis-swinging contest can really mess up things around here. Good people blow out because of it. Those people are often times my friends. Anyone seen Rudy??? Look at the ROOT cause of many times there is a major problem on here. I think sometimes it evolves from people like Jillian. The guy comes in here like a disease & infects this place. For that reason I fully support the Moderators.

I may be wrong here... would not be the first time. Nevertheless, you guys are all great folks that are drawn here for different reasons. Thanks for putting up with me. :D

Rigsby... my fair skinned, sun burnt brother!! Trust me, the Irish runs hard here most days. Thank my Grandmother for that (and the ability to hold my beer). But I have learned to step back and look. Are we letting emotion drive what we are posting? Are we posting to defend or posting to beat someone into submission of I am wrong? I think that occassionally we ALL get hung up on a topic and push it a little too far as we let emotion run the keyboard.

Like you, I like this place and the tight knit loyalty that is here. We are going to get the 1 or 2 Julians that come in and feel unwanted. These people that think creating multiple screen names and coming in here to play is entertaining don't understand that the majority of us have been around the block with that crap and it gets old real quick. He was looking for attention and got it. Just in the wrong way.

Well said my friend... I can't argue with that. BTW: good to see a few Irish lads around here.

I agree with what you are saying and that's what I tried and tried and tried to get julian to do. Leave it alone and he never would and he NEVER WOULD no matter how long he was on here.
He said all he wanted was for Mark to admit to all the bs and he would quit posting about it.
It would not have ended it. It just would have been something else.
By now means am I the brightest bulb in the pack, but at least I know how to get along with people and if the majority of the people didn't like my attitude I would change it or leave on my own. He was never gonna do either one.

Shawm,Rabbit, Scoot,Scorp and everyone else that has taken the time to comment on this situation...THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart...pressing the ban button is a very diffcult thing to do although the phyiscal aspect of it is simple.

I wanted to make sure I gave this guy every opportunity to make it Right before I jumped and made a move..its like Shooting a gun..once you have pulled the trigger there is no going back

I think the problem may have taken care of itself (Without any Action taken on my end)...I will go ahead and admit this cause some may not believe it....when I cast my Vote...I voted "NO"...not to ban him....lol. 8) ...I wanted the Man to have at least one Vote in his corner although I know he is dead wrong in his actions.

Everyone has bads Days...YES including me...so let me go ahead and take this moment and say if I have ever did anything to Hurt anyone in anyway I apologize it was not intentional or meant to be a permanent thing anyhow.
My job here is to protect you guys and keep peace...not to inflict any damage..I fully understand and respect the Authority this site has given me.."With Authority Comes Responsibility"


thanks for the words of reason Shawn...your a good fella !

I would like to say that I am VERY SORRY for anyone that I may have said bad things to or was messing around with. Guys, this is hard for me, not to say I'm sorry, it's hard for me to realize that I bought into the silliness that was going on.

I guess the keyboard got to me. I was mostly kidding around and it got out of hand. I do have to admit that it got out of hand when some of you guys (I will not name anyone) kind of picked on me. Maybe you guys were kidding around with me. But no matter how I look at it, I was wrong and I feel very bad about that. I'm not asking for anybody to forgive me because I'm not sure I forgive myself.

Maybe some of it was that I was very jealous of the relationships you all have on here. I had a whole lot of friends in drag racing and went through a bad time with an illness and just wanted to be alone. Now most of my friends don't want to be friends with me any more. Maybe I hurt them because I stopped communicating with them but I never was mean to them. I actually stopped communicatig with them because I didn't want to hurt them because I was in such a bad mood. I know I have said a lot of stupid stuff at times that I am sorry for, really sorry for. but like the old saying goes, a true friend would forgive you no matter what. So, I guess they may not have been real friends.

Now, as far as having 2 names, after the bad deal I had on RJ (and that was 1 bad deal out of 7) I felt that I had to change my name because I got phone calls and was physically threatened by another RJ member. I won't mention his name either. Yes, I did go to the police, not sure if they did anything but I know that I stopped getting phone calls. So to try to be a friend on here, I thought it would have been impossible for me to use my original name.

So with all that being said, this is just another boneheaded mistake I need to live with. Believe me it's not the first one and it probably won't be the last. But one thing Goomba never wanted to do or ever wants to do was to hurt anyone. I'm sorry. I wanted to clear the air. You guys really have something special on here I now realize that I screwed that up too.

your 100% Cool with me 409....thanks Bud

409 I apologize for thing's i said to you, Now let's get this forum back where it need's to be and bust scammers azzes :!: :!:






Mark

BJ, we've got your back!! If I were a mod my actions would have been different too. There is a big difference and I know that.

To big409
and you will not find a better, more sincere group of friends than right here. Like Scooter said, we come from all walks of life and have been through a lot together. I've cried from pain and sorrow and even death.
I've dissagreed with and laughed with all these guys for several years. They are like family to me.
The door is open. All you gotta do is come in and hang out with us.

Is it too late to still vote? :P :P :P

as i was speaking to mark and mike about stuff i know myself i went through an "initiation/hazzing(if you will)" before i was trusted and accepted and to me its just away for everyone to learn yot merits and and to get to know you and to me its like becoming a man so to speak just a right of passage

Goomba...aka 409... it's a good group in here. Hang out and have fun. Thanks for clearing the air with the guys. I am sure a lot of respect will be gained from that.

As far as friends in drag racing, I think you got a lot of them coming back from what I have been reading. The ones that don't are too selfish to see why you needed your space.

Welcome back 409, apology accepted and I owe you one too, sorry...
:D

409 you are welcome here anytime as far as I am concerned . and you do NOT have to agree with everything posted here , if eveybody agreed then there wouldnt be a need for a forum would it . you can disagree without the name calling and just plain acting an a$$..I can't believe you let julian pull you into his trap , he would have turned on you too , sooner or later ..I can assure you that we are not a bunch of "wash women" or "old farts" . we all either race or love racing to its fullist..we love to corner scammers and force them to come up with the product of a refund or wind up in jail..we don't blame the site , we blame the scammer..there are a few that have scammed before and are still out there doing it , but if the people that get on here crying about getting scammed by them had come on here before hand and looked they would have found that that person has a history on here that will not go away. the scammer section is a tough place to hang out and you have to have thick skin to particapate. It really can be very entertaining also , we come across some real clowns on here , LOL ..like I said you are welcome anytime you want to join in , as far as I'm concerned,,,,Paul

I spoke to soon, Julians profile is back up on RJ... :lol:
Quess he just cant get enough :!:

Thanks all you guys. I really mean it. I think I would like to hang around as tmasitto. 409 has left the building. :wink: Happy new year to all my new friends on R/J. The Goomba. :D

No matter hang around :!: :!:










Mark

Welcome back tmasitton...

What's your name again>? Cp = Charlie Perkins


Happy New Years!

X2 PAUL...I COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT BETTER !

Goomba,

I may not say alot on here but welcome ot the RJ family. I rarely get on nowadays due to being in Afghanistan and not the states. Dont worry I aint no enemy. I am a civilian contractor working on the Apaches.

Anyways I just wanted to also say dont let these guys get to you. They are a great bunch. Even that guy named Bjuice. :P Yeah we had a short spell with alot going on here but I think I can honestly say that all that is behind us and we are finally back to our old selves.

Again, Welcome to the RJ family.


Dirk