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What BBC solid roller lifters are good these days? What are you using? Thanks

I'm running the Isky EZX lifters .904 lifter bore. These don't have the needle bearings. I've run them two seasons so far probably a little over 100 passes with no problems.
I know there will be others that will say they are too expensive but when I was building my engine most others were having problems at less than 50 passes.

X2 on Isky. They invented the roller cam didn't they?

Might be wrong, but I think Chet Herbert did it in 1949

And he got it from the airplane industry and applied it to automotive use.

Curtis

I forgot who it was. My first roller cam was a Herbert. Almost stock motor with a BIG roller. It was a Ford so not like it was gonna be fast anyway. lol Kidding. I loved that old 460 and it's still running after 20 years.

Mine are CRANE Ultra Pro. probably made by morel or someone else iduno. they were like $514. Hammertime had a place to get good lifters cheap but forget where it was.

stay away from comp. heard too many horror stories. I also had one come apart early but might have been due to me setting lash too loose.

Yeah Tod the Crane Ultra Pro's are what I was gonna get originally till a friend had some that were starting to spread at the axle at 26 passes. The earlier ones were OK as another friend had over 550 passes on his. Most of the problems were in 2008 when I was building my 540. Your's are probably the earlier ones.

Hammertime runs Morrel lifters I believe.

We lean towards the .904 lifters in most of our appications and with the bigger body, axel and bigger wheel is a win win situation.

When running the bigger wheel you should let your cam grinder know as most .904 rollers have a .810 wheel compared to a .750 wheel on the .842 lifters.

I built mine in early 2007. I hope I got good ones . :(

I do run Morels, they are PBM branded and are cheaper non rebuildable style. They seem to be better then the higher dollar ones. I may run the isky's at some point down the road but in my mind they were called risky for to long to jump on the wagon yet. and I also usually go with what Nyes say about this sort of thing they build enough motors and have little failure and even a smaller issue with lifter failures. I had one go south this year @ norwalks ten grand nationals. started to chirp and caught it between rounds. I normally change them every winter but I did not from 09-10 so it was end of the 2nd year on them and much further then I'd ever taking them runs wise.

USA Performance seems to be the cheapest place to get them and several other parts.

How many passes you make in a year? I know it is a butt load.

Latley 250-350 give or take depending on the year. It also does not help that I am hard on the throttle cable and nitrous a lot at the finish line :D

David when you gonna quit racing part time and get serious about it :?: :lol: :wink: :wink:

lol actually it feels part time from what I used to race back 02-06 I put double that on a year, raced fri-sun sometimes more if possible. ahh to have no worries or bills again lol

I run Morel lifters in a BBC.Mine are branded under Howards Cams Pro Max lifters.

I run the (PBM) Morels lifters and change them at 200 runs no matter what. Normally put 350-400 runs a year on my motor.

ARE YOU CHANGING THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING BAD OR DO YOU FEEL LIKE THEY SHOULD BE CHANGED,I ASSUMING WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SOLID ROLLER LIFTERS?HOW OFTEN SHOULD THEY BE CHANGED?AND DO YOU CHANGE CAM & LIFTERS OR JUST LIFTERS?

BBC lifters
 

So what is the deal with quality roller lifters anymore? Does no one sell a reasonably priced lifter that can make it safely to a normal engine rebuild cycle?
I am talking $350 range. We didn't use to be that concerned with lifter failures. For bracket racing use with 250# spring pressure and less than .800" lift, why can't we expect that roller lifters could last as long as the rest of the engine before rebuild or replacement.

And what is the deal with high quality names like Comp Cams 819 BBC lifter not being good enough to rely on? Are they using inferior materials, leaving out hardening steps, using low grade needle bearings, or having them made overseas?

Is Morel the only company anyone has any faith in? What different Morel BBC lifters are there to chose from?

And why would a repackager like PBM be able to sell a better lasting lifter than Comp Cams?

Was Comp Cams having quality problems and since corrected it and still no one will use them?

Too much snow and not much else to do today.

This has been a great topic, i am really enjoying everyone sharing there input, I have been hearing of so many people having bbc solid roller lifter failure and i am trying to do some planning for another bbc. Thanks, Keith

The Morel Lifter I run is in the $350 dollar range, they do have a higher end lifter that is rebuildable and has a extra oil hole on top of the lifter. From what I've seen the cheaper ones last longer.

A lot of stuff from comp is built 10 mins from me, trying to cut corners to save a few bucks really has a long term affect on a lifter is why you seen them go down hill.

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I HAVE 2 YEARS ON A SET OF ENDUR-X LIFTERS(SBC)FOUND SOME NEEDLE BEARINGS IN OIL PAN,I THOUGHT THEY WERE THRUST BEARING BEARINGS BUT AFTER INSPECTING THE THRUST BEARING THE BEARINGS WERE ALL THERE AND THEY LOOKED IDENTICAL.I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH COMP CAMS THEY TOLD ME THE LIFTERS SHOULD BE REBUILT EACH YEAR AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN IS THE ENDS OF THE LIFTER WERE THE ROLLER PIN IS CAN SPREAD AT RACE TEMPS AND HIGH RPM,S AND THE BEARINGS COULD FALL OUT!.HE TOLD ME I SHOULD BUY A NEW SET AND THE OLD ONES COULDNT BE REBUILT.SORRY FOR THE CAPS MY KEY BOARD IS ACTING UP.

the comp I had break was their cheaper $250 ones. "super roller lifters"

X2 !!! running the PBM now.

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pbm makes nothing, they are just boxes with names, the morel lifter is a very good economical unit that runs well. lunati sells the same lifter as well as a ton of vendors. comp uses their own units and all are hippo and very good.

I will say the lifter living has more to do with proper valve train than the lifter itself. springs are key factors as well as push rods and lighter weight components. either way, i have seen 400 passes with the morel and comp units. then again, i have heard and seen of no passes and loose a wheel!
with today's oil's, you most diffenetly need good high zinc oils. this makes engine components last along with frequently serviced oil. oil is cheaper than engines. use nothing with an API LSM oil, its junk. racing oils are the only thing that should be in your hi performance engine