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mopar1968 02-19-2010 05:04 AM

622 Paul
 
Watch out for this guy :!: :!: He just ripped a guy a new one on YB on a engine, He has a ad on here ad# 1770028, Just a warning to all :!: :!:

622paul

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*** Warning, save yourself the trouble of dealing with 622paul ***

I purchased a long block from 622paul, it was advertised as having only 20 passes on it and it is ready to go 1080hp, and he said it has never been damaged.
I received the engine and removed the heads and oil pan for inspection of the bearings, rings, lifters, etc. So far I have found the following items that are either damaged or not as advertised:

1 Broken front mounting boss on the block.
2 Block broken under front passenger side of intake manifold.
3 Holes in block with stripped threads.
4 Holes in block with heli coils.
5 Block bore was supposed to be 4.60”, is actually 4.625” (max recommended by manufacturer is 4.60”).
6 Oil pan is heavily damaged, two corners dented in, and bottom of oil pan smashed to the point were the oil pump pickup has almost gone through the oil pan.
7 Oil pan was suppose to be a Jeff Johnston ball bearing pan, I don’t know what brand it is but it has doors instead of the balls.
8 It has the wrong head gaskets, and they are blown out between the cylinders.
9 Wrong head studs, several studs only go through the head about 1/8”, they put the nuts on and only captured about 1/8” of threads.
10 Front passenger corner of the engine shows signs of being dropped or hit on the block and head casting, and head stud nut is smashed.
11 Rocker arms are a different ratio than advertised.
12 Cam is not the specs that were advertised.
13 Cam is not even the brand that was advertised.
14 Connecting rods are not the length that was advertised, the block has been decked about 0.080” and I think that is why they used a shorter rod than what is typical in this engine.
15 7 of the 16 lifters are unusable.
16 Connecting rods are aluminum and were supposed to be new, the serial numbers come back to 1997 vintage and have been damaged on the big end on a couple rods, they evidently also changed out a couple rods and switched cylinders on a couple.
17 No flexplate was included, was supposed to have a CSR flexplate.

All this and I haven't taken apart the short block or disassembled the heads yet.

I just want to get my money back from him and I'll send the engine back. I've contacted him several times by phone and emails, and he says that he doesn't have the money to send back to me. Well... when the engine came up for sale, I didn't have the money either, but I sold some stuff to come up with it.
If he wants to make this right, he can come up with the money.

More info here http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=203653





''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

''I AM NOT GRUMPY UNLESS YOU MAKE ME THAT WAY''

hollowayshotrods 02-19-2010 11:57 AM

Hi Paul, just checking on your reputation? Well, come on back, it is now 3:56pm. 8)

profiler598 02-19-2010 11:59 AM

622 motor
 
i am not the one who ownes the motor i was was the middle man on this deal we offer to send him parts to make it right.the owner of tne motor has talk to him but does not have the money to give back.if you have any question on the matter call me 916-968-4403.

hollowayshotrods 02-19-2010 12:08 PM

Re: 622 motor
 
Are you kidding me? Call you if I have any questions, :lol: :lol: :lol:
Apparently you are the responsible party, middle man or not. If the man dealt with you, then that is just the way it is. Send him replacement parts!! Again :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: . What could you possibly send him to mend the broken mount boss? Or the broken piece off the block? I have an idea, how about, ummmmmm, this might sound crazy........................HIS MONEY! Any communication between you and me would be in writing. :shock:


Originally Posted by 622paul
i am not the one who ownes the motor i was was the middle man on this deal we offer to send him parts to make it right.the owner of tne motor has talk to him but does not have the money to give back.if you have any question on the matter call me 916-968-4403.


mopar1968 02-19-2010 12:20 PM

Here is a message Paul sent me:

From: 622paul To: mopar1968 Date: 2010-02-19 16:17:16
Subject: Re: MOROSO MR GASKET CSI 540555565
Re: Ad #1770028 - MOROSO MR GASKET CSI 540555565



On [2010-02-19 16:09:22] mopar1968 wrote:
> He ask me on Yellow bullet to post on here, If he tell's me it is cleared up i will remove thread from forum not untill !! Myself and others hate people who take advantage of others i have been taken before and know first hand how it feels, you tell him to tell me when it is ok to remove !!!
>
> On [2010-02-19 15:55:16] 622paul wrote:
> >
> >
> > On [2010-02-19 09:01:07] mopar1968 wrote:
> > > You ripping people off on YB i see. I am posting you as a scammer on here.
> > what are you talking about we have been trying to work with the guy on the motor if you have any question on the matter call me 916-968-4403.call me

''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

''I AM NOT GRUMPY UNLESS YOU MAKE ME THAT WAY''

mopar1968 02-19-2010 12:32 PM

I think i pissed him off :!: :!:

Today, 04:14 PM #62
622paul
Junior Member
Spooled up


Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 161 Re: 622paul

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mopar your a bitch give me your number i give you a call slopar.

''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

''I AM NOT GRUMPY UNLESS YOU MAKE ME THAT WAY''

dragonmaster093 02-19-2010 12:34 PM

mopar you made a new friend

MEMRACING62 02-19-2010 12:35 PM

:lol: :lol: bet you have been called worse. looks like pissed it off :lol:

hollowayshotrods 02-19-2010 12:35 PM

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Well, at least he got the "slopar" right :shock: :shock:


Originally Posted by mopar1968
I think i pissed him off :!: :!:

Today, 04:14 PM #62
622paul
Junior Member
Spooled up


Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 161 Re: 622paul

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mopar your a bitch give me your number i give you a call slopar.

''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

''I AM NOT GRUMPY UNLESS YOU MAKE ME THAT WAY''

:lol: :lol: :lol:

mopar1968 02-19-2010 12:39 PM

Might be slopar but i sure don't rip people off :!: :!: Oh yeah i have been called worse by ''Littlerod'' :!: :!: :lol: :lol: :lol: I think by his post and messages we know where the guilt lay's :!: :!:


''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

''I AM NOT GRUMPY UNLESS YOU MAKE ME THAT WAY''

MEMRACING62 02-19-2010 12:42 PM

Re: 622 Paul
 

Originally Posted by mopar1968
Watch out for this guy :!: :!: He just ripped a guy a new one on YB on a engine, He has a ad on here ad# 1770028, Just a warning to all :!: :!:

622paul

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*** Warning, save yourself the trouble of dealing with 622paul ***

I purchased a long block from 622paul, it was advertised as having only 20 passes on it and it is ready to go 1080hp, and he said it has never been damaged.
I received the engine and removed the heads and oil pan for inspection of the bearings, rings, lifters, etc. So far I have found the following items that are either damaged or not as advertised:

1 Broken front mounting boss on the block.
2 Block broken under front passenger side of intake manifold.
3 Holes in block with stripped threads.
4 Holes in block with heli coils.
5 Block bore was supposed to be 4.60”, is actually 4.625” (max recommended by manufacturer is 4.60”).
6 Oil pan is heavily damaged, two corners dented in, and bottom of oil pan smashed to the point were the oil pump pickup has almost gone through the oil pan.
7 Oil pan was suppose to be a Jeff Johnston ball bearing pan, I don’t know what brand it is but it has doors instead of the balls.
8 It has the wrong head gaskets, and they are blown out between the cylinders.
9 Wrong head studs, several studs only go through the head about 1/8”, they put the nuts on and only captured about 1/8” of threads.
10 Front passenger corner of the engine shows signs of being dropped or hit on the block and head casting, and head stud nut is smashed.
11 Rocker arms are a different ratio than advertised.
12 Cam is not the specs that were advertised.
13 Cam is not even the brand that was advertised.
14 Connecting rods are not the length that was advertised, the block has been decked about 0.080” and I think that is why they used a shorter rod than what is typical in this engine.
15 7 of the 16 lifters are unusable.
16 Connecting rods are aluminum and were supposed to be new, the serial numbers come back to 1997 vintage and have been damaged on the big end on a couple rods, they evidently also changed out a couple rods and switched cylinders on a couple.
17 No flexplate was included, was supposed to have a CSR flexplate.

All this and I haven't taken apart the short block or disassembled the heads yet.

I just want to get my money back from him and I'll send the engine back. I've contacted him several times by phone and emails, and he says that he doesn't have the money to send back to me. Well... when the engine came up for sale, I didn't have the money either, but I sold some stuff to come up with it.
If he wants to make this right, he can come up with the money.

More info here http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=203653





''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

''I AM NOT GRUMPY UNLESS YOU MAKE ME THAT WAY''

622PAUL, THATS ONE HELL OF A PIECE OF CHITT YOU SOLD THERE! :evil:

blownalky3 02-19-2010 01:04 PM

I bought a ARC Switch Panel from him I believe in 06. I just had it sitting waiting for the car to be completed. When we went to wire it up, not a single switch worked. It was basically trash. I never said anything due to the length of time that transpired, but I can assure you no matter how good his ads were, I steered waaaaay clear.

7secnitroman 02-19-2010 03:38 PM

motor
 
if you look at the pics its shocking that somebody would sell that , give him his money back , or a new block set of rods lifters pan ect.

mopar1968 02-19-2010 05:44 PM

So now it is building against him, Middle man my A$$ :!: :!:

622paul
Name: Paul Personius
DOB: 12 June 1964
Phone: 916-968-4403
Claims to be an engine builder....yeah right
email: [email protected] (I'm not sure if this is current though)
Address: 8636 Quail Oak Way
Orangevale CA. 95662
County where he resides: Sacramento


''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

''I AM NOT GRUMPY UNLESS YOU MAKE ME THAT WAY''

DirkaDirka 02-19-2010 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by mopar1968
So now it is building against him, Middle man my A$$ :!: :!:

622paul
Name: Paul Personius
DOB: 12 June 1964
Phone: 916-968-4403
Claims to be an engine builder....yeah right
email: [email protected] (I'm not sure if this is current though)
Address: 8636 Quail Oak Way
Orangevale CA. 95662
County where he resides: Sacramento


''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

''I AM NOT GRUMPY UNLESS YOU MAKE ME THAT WAY''


You have got to be kidding me. I wish I was in the state right now. I would make a short drive (4hr) to Sacramento to see what is up and get more info on this guy. It is just to bad that I aint in the states right now.

mopar1968 02-19-2010 06:30 PM

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[img=http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4774/1headstud.th.jpg]

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These are pics of the engine he sold :!: :!:


''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

''I AM NOT GRUMPY UNLESS YOU MAKE ME THAT WAY''

dragonmaster093 02-19-2010 06:39 PM

wow :shock: :shock: seen better blocks in salvage yard

Scorpion1110 02-19-2010 06:41 PM

The motor is junk, but I checked the pics and it looks like the buyer got some nice dachsunds.

Nice stuff Paul Personius (aka Sanford Purveyor of Junk).

When you get tired of calling people bitches, perhaps you can explain this CRAP that you called an engine.

Scorp

hollowayshotrods 02-19-2010 07:02 PM

Paul,
What the hell did you send the man? Middle man my ass (like mopar said)!
No rational and honest person would have had anything to do with that stroking you gave the man!

dragonmaster093 02-19-2010 07:14 PM

x2 hey he had to know he shipped and it is his buddy had to have at very least seen the pan damage and external damage once. and if was "helping" a friend i would have said hey im gonna put the bad stuff on or you do it yourself. this clown sound like he could be from the little rod clan

wvhippie 02-19-2010 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by dragonmaster093
x2 hey he had to know he shipped and it is his buddy had to have at very least seen the pan damage and external damage once. and if was "helping" a friend i would have said hey im gonna put the bad stuff on or you do it yourself. this clown sound like he could be from the little rod clan

That is the motor that was in littlerods Z28. Look in the oil pan the title to the camaro might be in it. Then again maybe the pawn shop guy has it. I bet that is how he bent the pan trying to put it in that sidekick.

dragonmaster093 02-19-2010 07:49 PM

:shock: :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :oops: :oops: :oops:

wlpatterson 02-20-2010 02:50 AM

LOOK Before you buy??
 
Did'nt this guy atleast look at the engine before he spent that kind of money?Where are these folks when Im trying to sell parts??I promise you,before anyone gets that kind of money out of me I will dissassembly the motor on the spot--JMO

fla1976 02-20-2010 03:17 AM

Looks like the loser in an extreme demolition derby. Another scammer trying to pawn his junk to an unsuspecting party.

Drtmod5 02-20-2010 05:33 AM


Originally Posted by Scorpion1110
The motor is junk, but I checked the pics and it looks like the buyer got some nice dachsunds.

Hey Scorp,

I think those dogs belong to Mopar. They were in his pics along with his car.

On the topic at hand here, this guy cannot tell me he didn't see the outside damage at least. It's beginning to get to the point you can't trust anyone much anymore! :roll:

SuperComp1R 02-20-2010 08:04 AM

paul622
 
He races at Sacramento raceway, never met him or had any dealing with him and now glad of it. Good news Dirka, he will still be around when you get back.

mopar1968 02-20-2010 08:32 AM

Come on Paul where are you :?: Step up be a man :!: :!: Come on in and give your side :!: :!:



''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

''I AM NOT GRUMPY UNLESS YOU MAKE ME THAT WAY''

mopar1968 02-20-2010 12:51 PM

HEY CROOK WHERE ARE YOU :!: :!: Come on grow some Ball's get on here :!: :!:


''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''


''I AM NOT GRUMPY UNLESS YOU MAKE ME THAT WAY''

blownalky3 02-20-2010 02:15 PM

Hey Mopar, do you know who novatoy63 is on YB? If it is who I think it is, you got two birds of a feather right there

DirkaDirka 02-20-2010 02:18 PM

Re: paul622
 

Originally Posted by badfordfreak
He races at Sacramento raceway, never met him or had any dealing with him and now glad of it. Good news Dirka, he will still be around when you get back.

Thats good to know cuz I think that was one of the tracks I was going to check out after I get my car done.

blownalky3 02-20-2010 06:28 PM

TTT.

Someone please give me a name for novatoy63 on YB. I don't want to speak out of turn before I am 100 % sure

hollowayshotrods 02-20-2010 07:01 PM

Paul,
I see you lurking around at 11pm, checking on your reputation. Rather tarnised huh? Come on in, defend yourself.

profiler598 02-20-2010 07:03 PM

632 motor
 
no i didt take the motor a part i just ship it for a friend the onwer has tryed to make it good.if i had the money i would give it back.

mopar1968 02-20-2010 07:10 PM

Well you or someone need's to make this right :!: :!: Either a full refund or all part's to fix it + All machine shop labor :!: This isn't anything but plain B.S Scamming :!: :!: You can't tell me you didn't know the history of this engine, It has been blown up in the past and patched back together :!: :!: You didn't see the damage to the outside of it BULLCHITT :!: :!: As far as i am concerned you are as guilty as the other guy :!: :!: Man up and make it right :!: :!:

''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

''I AM NOT GRUMPY UNLESS YOU MAKE ME THAT WAY''

profiler598 02-20-2010 07:15 PM

632 motor
 
we have offer to make it write with the parts to fix it.he payed 9000 ship for 640 big chief motor?what about the 5000 dart heads ti valves 2000 billet crank 1000 belt drive and balancer.i sold the motor to brian but should have took it apart to see what was in it.live and learn.

mopar1968 02-20-2010 07:17 PM

Live & Learn-- True word's of a true SCAMMER :!: :!: You couldn't have said it better :!: :!:


622paul
SHOW GUEST


Joined: 20 Mar 2003
Posts: 3

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:15 pm Post subject: 632 motor

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we have offer to make it write with the parts to fix it.he payed 9000 ship for 640 big chief motor?what about the 5000 dart heads ti valves 2000 billet crank 1000 belt drive and balancer.i sold the motor to brian but should have took it apart to see what was in it.live and learn



''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

''I AM NOT GRUMPY UNLESS YOU MAKE ME THAT WAY''

angel88 02-20-2010 07:18 PM

what about the visable damage are you blind you shipped come on no one is gonna by your b.s.

hollowayshotrods 02-20-2010 07:20 PM

Re: 632 motor
 
Are you related to Jason Brooks? The vocabulary is so similar.
Now, to the point:
Nobody gives a crap about your "I'm the middle man" garbage. If you couldn't see the motor was junk, then you are as guily as your "friend" for being stupid! You weren't the middle man, you were the LUBE man! What is your "friends" name? How do you sleep at night?


Originally Posted by 622paul
no i didt take the motor a part i just ship it for a friend the onwer has tryed to make it good.if i had the money i would give it back.


mopar1968 02-20-2010 07:24 PM

I just copied and pasted his last post's on YB, wait untill those guy's get's ahold of him :!: :!: :lol: :lol: Now i am going to post a ad on here in 622paul's honor :!: :!:


''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

''I AM NOT GRUMPY UNLESS YOU MAKE ME THAT WAY''

hollowayshotrods 02-20-2010 07:25 PM

$9k!!!! Live and learn!! I would be scared chitless if I ripped someone off $9k then basically told them .......................Too effin bad!
You are a sack of crap dude!! I pray to God you have no kids to teach your wisdom to.


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