WTH !!!!????....
 

I didn't read that but I say as long as they aren't impaired at the track they should be able to do whatever they want at home.


edit. APPARENTLY they were using at the track...if so then that's different.

Well and from what I understand is that the drivers are tested right there at the track.

i was a safety tech for several years at a dirt track---WE HAD ONE VERY STRONG RULE---YOU GET CAUGHT DRINKING OR USING DRUGS AT THE TRACK OR SHOW UP THAT WAY- :oops: :oops: -AND YOU WERE BANNED FOR THE SEASON--PLAIN, SIMPLE, AND NO ARGUING ABOUT IT- 8) 8) --

I ONLY HAD TO REMOVE 4 GUYS IN 5 YEARS :wink: :wink:
LIVELY
ps--I DO NOT EVER FEEL SORRY FOR SOMEONE WHO DRINKS OR DOES DRUGS AND DRIVES!!!!

x2, my brother inlaw died on his 45th birthday drinking beer all day with friends and atving, hit at tree at 10:30 pm and killed instantly. left 2 daughers without a father. I would ban sombody for showing up at the track to race for the season too. some people dont learn until sombody gets hurt or killed. jmo, mike

man godspeed for the girls who lost their dad, i just heard
that Matt Guidera pro stock bike is going to be banned 1 YR
for drug substance, first time i heard that in the NHRA :?

thanks signs , its been a rough two years for them, he was a good guy. I agree with nhra on this one. every driver or rider owes it to the person in the other lane and people in the stands not to be under the influence and jeopardize there safety. at that level there of hundreds of riders that would take his place.

I'll never understand why anyone would drink and drive any kind of race vehicle or any vehicle for that matter.
0 tolerance is the best policy. As far as any illegal drug, it's not worth loosing your job, family etc for it.

I think they are getting some of these guys on drug tests, NOT catching them under the influence at the event.

well boys if they are drinking or dopin at the track or show up under the influencei agree show them out but if a guy smokes a joint at home on thursday and shows up sat. to race should he be sent packin?depending what drug test he takes that one joint can show up for over a month.i agree with tod on this one what a man does on his own timeis up to him. they have taken these drug tests way to far. there are a couple of companies here that give out these tests and check for booze.dont drink that beer and friday nites or sat. nites because if they find it more than a few times your going to rehab.i have a friend who loves his beer. fri nites its a few in the shop, EVERY sat. nite its cook out time (beer included). sunday hes a goodboy.mondays hes given a test and bang, hes in rehab to keep his job.in all the years ive known him i only saw him drunk a couple of times and thats because i talked him into drinkin moonshine with me.

A lot of companys figure they own their employees, and don't want us screwing up their livestock.

Hard liquor sneaks up on a guy sometimes, I only drink tanglefoot, for medicinal purposes.

corn sqeezins, white lighting, or just fuel, that stuff does not
put hair on your head, it makes it fall off :lol: , not even jed clampitt
would drink it, makes you drive like junior johnson.
i did not drink until my pop died and man, i drank everything
for a yr, you know like in the movies they glup it down, just
like that, went down smooth. but thats over now, thk god :wink:

Gent's:

I have battled with drugs & alcohol for many moons in my earlier days. Been to treatment twice, AA, NA, etc... been sober now a long time. To me, a drug is a drug (alcohol included)... if it impairs judgment, then that person should not be in a race-car... under the influence, withdrawing, or hung over. If it is that important to a driver to use on the weekends or even close to a race, then that is BAD judgment... period. If I were in Nascar or Pro-auto sports of any kind, I WOULD NEVER RISK MY TEST BEING DIRTY EVEN IF IT WAS 60DAYS OLD... if that is the rules, why risk it??? I will not share a track w/ someone who is using, withdrawn, hung over, etc... Come on!! Bottom line: if a pro risks their career of a lifetime over a dirty test, then they have a PROBLEM & need help. Tests now can find substances in hair follicles for 90 days and beyond... why would a driver risk that???? JMO

the problem is if the star player in any sport is using the big dogs will keep it under wraps,,,,,

untill they kill somebody like that football player that got a slap on the wrist for killing a guy in a DWI crash.

they don't want the pressure of bad poblissaty(I know i did not spell the wright)

congrat's on your sobriety

scooter you know outlaw isnt just a screen name for me.ive not done any drugs since my 20s but i did drink heavy until 05 when i had my bike wreck(i was stone cold sober )i was addicted to herion from 15 til 17 so i do know about addictions.and liquior.until i was 49. im not sure how i feel about these test because the cant tell the difference between a social drinker and a drunk.or a guy who smokes a joint once in awhile and a pothead.but if its a zero rule and you want to play, follow the rules. period!i build ol skool hotrods and custom bikes for a living. and we are damn good at it.i do body work, paint and weld.i drive and sometimes i race.and i have methodone and oxycontin in my system 24 hrs a day everyday.should i stop building these cars and bikes.if i took a piss test for racing they might not let me make a pass.my levels are extremely high.i COULD NOT get out of bed without these drugs. the pain is to great.but if i had to take drug test to do anything id be sitting on the porch.so im mixed on this one.i sure dont want a guy with a hangover staging next to me, but the guy who had a few in the shop the nite before and feels great.i just dont know.

Me too. I will be sober 10 years if I make it until January 21, 2010. ...It took rehab, jail, and losing my Fiance to wake me up. No she didn't die or nothing, she just got sick and tired of seeing me drunk. Anyway, they always said that the biggest clue that someone has a problem is when they suffer consequences yet continue to use. A certain NASCAR driver comes to mind

Too much $$$$/women/cars/........................

Outlaw/Tod:

Please do not take my words as judgment. I have told you my past, I did a lot of drugs, drank like a fish too. Just like Tod, learned many things under the influence & the HARD WAY. First, I have no beef w/ Methadone... saved my butt once actually... but it never made me "high"... just tired... kept me sober for a year too. Outlaw, you are my brutha... you know I love you. If I were you... I would be taking Oxy/Methadone too... to be entirely honest, Heroin is a very effective pain killer & I might use that if I was in enough pain like you. The fact is, I am not in pain so i cannot take those things EVER AGAIN or it will kill me... cause I will not stop. Outlaw, your situation is different & you need medication or you will go nuts dealing with day in, day out pain. As far as going 194MPH in LH circles for 100's of laps, I want to do it w/ sober folks if I have a choice. The difference is Outlaw is probably immune to Opiates, doubt you get "high" anymore unless you are close to OD. As far as drugs in our culture goes, I have no doubt that fine race cars/ hot rods can be produced under the influence of drugs... just like Jimmy Hendrix could play great guitar w/ multiple acid hits soaking in his head under a sweat-band... same thing. There is a lot of things such as art forms done on drugs & we all know that is a fact... like it or not.

As an addict/alcoholic, I cannot "smoke a joint" or "have a beer" etc... my sobriety is the most important thing in my life. Naturally, I cannot relate to the casual user/drinker at all. That said, I DO NOT WANT TO SEE A SICK PERSON LIKE MYSELF IN A RACE CAR UNLESS HE/SHE IS STONE COLD SOBER. Thanks for all your support; it is good to know I am amongst friends here who will not judge me b/c of this... I have been sober from drugs now for 6 years on opiates, 15 on alcohol. Last, I found God this way... he mended me in my worst pathetic state... I was blessed not to die instead. I just told you guys my biggest skeleton I have in my closet. Scooter

SCOOTER---YOUR A GOOD MAN 8) 8)
I WILL NOT SHARE A RACE TRACK WITH SOMEONE I KNOW IS USING :x :x --IT TAKES COURAGE AND LOVE FOR YOUR FELLOW RACERS TO SHOW THE RESPECT YOU JUST TOLD OF.
GOD AND ONLY GOD CAN KEEP YOU FROM THIS HABIT-AND I KNOW FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE CLOSE TO ME WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THINGS GO WRONG!
YOUR FRIEND , LIVELY

Just wanted to let you guys know. I dont judge people on what they have done in the past. Well thats the past. We all have our mistakes. The only question is if they have learned from those mistakes. From what everybpody has said they have. To me that takes a lot of guts to admit. Also for doing that they have earned even more respect from me. Not saying that I didnt respect you before. So please dont take it that way. I judge people on how they treat myself or other people today. I am also glad that I met a great group of guys on here and wouldnt hesitat one sec to call them family. I know all bout pain. I got discharged from the Army due to a messed up lower back. I am always in pain. My hats off to all of y'all.

I am off my saop box now.

YOU DO SMELL CLEANER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Outlaw your under doctors care ( I assume) and the drugs are given to you to make through the day. No, you would probably not be allowed to drive a car under those circumstances, but don't think that's what this topic was intended to say. I’ve had back trouble for almost 5 years, been to so many doctors and none can find what’s wrong with me. I have prescription pain killers that are 4 years old that I just want take. They make the pain go away, but I just don’t like taking them. New doctor as of 2 months ago and he’s helping a little.
Scooter not many days go by that I don't think about some of your post.
I have never been a drinker; to be honest never drank a single beer in my life. Have had a few mixed drinks, but I just don't have time to drink. I've always been a loner and have always done things by myself. I guess it's not much fun to drink alone. Not to mention I'm a work a-holic. That has cost me some good relationships too.
I don't judge any of you guys by your past, but I really do admire what ya'll have done to stay sober.
Scooter I hope we have the chance to meet some day and if you ever need anything my door will be open!!

scoot & tod congrats on choosing life ,health & family over the sure doom of alcohol or drug abuse. the repercussions of which go far beyond the one abusing. my brother inlaw was a loving father & husband to my sister but had a big problem with alcohol. it costed him his life.we are a very close family and try to fill the void in my neices life the best we can , I take the girls to the father daughter events , but nothing replaces there dad. if anybody recovering abuser needs that extra strenght in the battle, look at your kids parents spouse etc and think of the hurt they would have if something happen to you. that hurt never heals. god bless, mike

Well Outlaw, Tod, Wabbit, Dirk-Diggler, Lively, all of you, etc... thanks for your support... it means a lot. I spent many days wasting my life on drinking & drugs... all the sudden I was in my late 20's looking back saying "what the hell happened??" I could have had a cool career, finished my college, had a chance to live a dream such as pursue Nascar, race something, whatever. I pissed it all away & lived for the moment.

Got lucky one day & meant my beautiful wife (who is 8 years younger & she is more mature than me still!!) bought a home, Had a few kids, etc... God showed me that I can still live good & live vicariously through my children & their dreams too. Now I am glad the addiction lead me to God...

Drugs are deceptive. Doctors are too easy to con. There is too many people who get hurt by drugs... more than we will ever know. People die all the time from drugs & you will not read about it most of the time, it will not always be on the news, but they OD on things like OxyContinin & Morphine which is the synthetic version of Heroin. Such a waste, their heart stops in their sleep, they foam at the mouth a little, & in the blink of an eye, a life is gone. I did not want to go out that way... I wanted to be around so I could come on here & harass all you guys. Scooter

Hey Scoot..

If there is anything you need let me know. Even though I am not at home I can try to help out as much as I can.

You are a good man, thanks. I walk this thing out probably the same way Tod does, or any addict does- one day at a time & NEVER go back. If I need some adrenalin, I can go to Woodburn, skydive or just try to out-run the cop's on my scooter again. BTW- you are right, all "fun & games until you loose a nut". I still have them, but they got a little scared when I got married.

Mine went AWOL when I got remarried :lol: :lol:

good for all my gear head bruthas and i pray the future gets
better, godspeed :wink:

We all stick together, COMMUNICATE, and support our brothers and sisters and life is good.
There were quite a few times in my long ago past where I was 2 1/2 pounds of pull away from nothing. SOMEthing or someONE made my finger go slack enough times that I finally took notice.
I am amazed each and every day how lucky, fortunate, and blessed that I am alive and loving my new wife and her 6 kids and 11 grandkids.
I also was a loner for what seems like centurys. "One is the loneliest number" is so very true.........

scooter, you and i have alot in common,but you already knew that.long before this post i read between the lines.i have a good education that i did not use. a beautiful little wife who i just found out how much i love not long, and two kids who still love me, now 2 grandkids who love the ol man.i mentioned my past to get to the present.the feared drug test.with my history, narcotics are a no no.BUT without them the pain is to great.with them im so-called normal.i dont feel any effects from the dosages i take, but a normal man would od.that is fact.straight from the dr. mouth.i try do do everything i did before the wreck. my mind says i can ,my body says NO you cant.even with the brain damage, i still can build cars, bikes whatever.but not without the drugs. they keep the pain at bay(well somewhat)what i was trying to say was should i not be allowed to particapate in racing because of the drugs in my system, even tho i dont feel any effect from them.should my buddy be in rehab to keep his job because he had booze in his system more than 3 times in 2 months.how many of us had a few beers in the shop on fri.nite and went racin on sat.drug tests do not tell the whole story.i guess thats what im trying to say.(its the brain damage lol).BUT if its zero then i do believe you should test zero if you dont have a script or its illegal. missdd, i know exactly how you felt.when i was laying in a hospital bed in my own home, i reached in a drawer next to my bed pulled out a 357 and i pulled the trigger.someone had emptied the damn gun.i have pleny more but i couldnt get out of bed to get at them. i wanted to die so bad.i hurt so bad and death was so easy.i was mad at everyone who saved my life.hell i died twice before they got me stabilized. why didnt they just let me go. no pain. no bein crippled up, no nothing.i wanted to die until scooter kinda came into my life.and he didnt even know it. id read what he wrote and i wanted what he had. some kind of peace, something to believe in.ive been a outlaw biker almost my whole life and now i needed god here to help me and hes done so much to wake me up but i just didnt want him. boy how things have changed. go fiqure.scooter got intouch with me just a short time ago, out of the blue and he saved my life.and he doesnt even realize how much he helped me.thanks to all of you. youll never know how much you all mean to me.and i never have even met the first one. thanks hotrod1024 for callin me on the weekends. damn, i must be stoned lol

I am humbled by your post Ken. I am glad the 357 was empty... you are a cool guy. It is amazing what God can do... isn't it??!! True peace & true Joy I thought was something I needed to drink, smoke, or snort... I hated being in my own skin. God gave me peace & I had to work for it too. God made me accountable too. I love the changes in your life Ken... you have purpose here & your family needs you around. My grandpas died from all the booze... I think it is cool that you have grand kids who get to have an outlaw biker grandpa who is still around!! You made it... you found God.

I would say you still have "outlaw" in your blood anyways. We now live in a spiritual law under God. It does not always line up with our politicians, law makers, government, schools, or this world... I view some laws as not applicable to me still... you may know what I am talking about. I do not plan on denying God in front of people to please the masses, so when grace is in order, it will be given. Spiritual law comes up when I see someone trying to brain-wash my kids or tell me I can't do certain things... so I ignore some of them. I am not promoting Anarchy, just saying we get enough garbage from the world as it is. my guess is that you will be an Outlaw to a degree until your last breath. Anyways, keep you head up & keep diggin' !! Scoot

You dont have to thank me Ken.I always enjoy talking to you.If I dont hear from you I call to make sure you are doin ok.Im doing my best to make sure to meet you in person 1 day.Youve become a great friend whom i have never even seen.Buddy, if I had my crap straight and a place to stay with a job I would move closer to you just so we could hang out.Take care and I will talk to you this weekend.(Ken is an fun guy to talk to guys.)

Bless you all. I also am fighting demons. I am glad to know I'm not alone.
Dave

Someone that can drink responsibly can never understand what it's like to be someone who can't. I make no excuses for the choices I made. It's been ten years and I still think about it daily. It will never go away, and I know that I can never again drink responsibly. After so many years sober it is easy to tell myself that I am better now, that I can have a beer if I want...but I cannot. All I can do is stay clean today, and then I will tackle tommoroww when it gets here.