FRAUD IN LAS VEGAS "Paul Savoy"
 

I got home took the motor apart and the rod bolts were not even tight,2 of the rods were blue the heads were cracked,I mean come on why in the world would I lie about heads being cracked,plus the heads and intake were full epoxy thus he never mentioned any of this to me sure he sent me new "heads" that were not even ported because I traded my car for a 555 BBC with ported heads.By the way PAUL thanks for the free heads I sold them on Racingjunk. And by the way PAUL leave my dad out of this he does not even know anything about what is going on.Then he sends some refurbished lifters and a set of head gaskets.WOW PAUL you really did ur best in trying to please us.If you tried so hard then why would you just not give my car back??????????When it is all said and done I will be the only one that knows exactly of how much of a FRAUD that you are...And he wants to talk about me trying to sell the motor on this site he trying to sell MY car after he said that it was a broke up southern welded piece of crap......Must not be to much of a piece of crap if he stills has it....

PAT WILLIS & SON ARE LIARS
 

I am Paul Savoy. You can read the previous threads concerning this issue and decide for yourself. I have never sold anything that was bad or misrepresented in any way. I have many people who will vouch for me there. I made the mistake of trying to fix something that was'nt broke with this guy and he screwed me. I sent him replacement parts he said were bad, AND HE NEVER SENT ANYTHING BACK EVEN THOUGH I PROVIDED RETURN SHIPPING LABELS. The proof is in the fact he admits recieving the heads, gaskets and lifters and sold them here on RJ. He also still has the shortblock for sale with the same parts he says were bad? I find it funny he calls me a "FRAUD" when he went as far as asking me questions from a differe'nt RJ account saying he was an interested buyer for the Jr car. Great story about his 200 pound kid, how fast is it and he can't give his email out for pics because he "uses it for business" and he hoped I understood. You will also notice he never once mentions what crap the Jr motor and clutch were not to mention that the backhalf was welded where it broke. JUST BEWARE AS HE HAS MULTIPLE RJ NAMES AND NOW HIDES HIS LOCATION AND DELETED THE SHEETMELTAL ACCOUNT.

Hey ''note'' if the head's were bad and he sent new ones why did you sell them instead of using them, and why didn't you send back the old ones :?: :?: :? :? SOMETHING JUST DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT HERE, IF I HAD SOLD YOU/TRADED YOU A ENGINE THAT I KNEW WAS GOOD I WOULD HAVE TOLD YOU WHERE TO GET OFF AT :!: :!:






'' JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

sheetmeltal message to me
 

Here is the message I recieved from RJ member sheetmeltal who is ALSO RJ member note, who is ALSO RJ member loggingman,who is ALSO RJ member nike AND PROBABLY A FEW MORE!!!!! . Please view the red portion. Says it all.

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Ok right you never said anyhting about the rods being blue,the heads being cracked,filled with EPOXY,and silicon in the exhaust ports.We never said that the car was a House car we said that it was Kim Shapley's old car,and Rick Dailey does not know shit anyway he is just a fucking liar as well as you are to. And we did tell you about the car the motor was fresh you probably messed it up trying to crank it and not letting it warm up completly the car was welded by a man that does welding for a living and it is not going to look beautiful when your trying to weld it at the track.I mean come on man the freaking rod bolts were not even tight,and we called as soon as we left and asked about the heads being o-ringed and you said yes they were,and who ever that old dumb motor guy that was with you because you evidently know nothing about motors,saying "Oh yea its ready to go just put oil in it",dosent know anything either the $400 oil pan was a moroso standard oil pan.We said that we would put the motor back together and meet you the next day but you did not want to because you knew how much of a piece of shit motor that you got rid of, we asked you several times to meet us and give the car back so evidently the car was not a piece of shit like you said so dont sit here and say that you just gave us a piece of gold you FRAUD!!!

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Does anybody have any pictures of these so called "junk" parts. That would make this more interesting as this is starting to get old.

I agree BEAST, he said, she said and no proof or pics. how many threads now on the same subject 3-4-5?? I figured after Topsportsman jumped down one of their throats it would go away but it has'nt.

LETS SEE SOME PROOF OR SHUTUP...PLEASE...

It's like a soap opera you can miss most of the week tune in on Friday and you're back up to speed.LOL

This ones like a broken record, it just keeps skippin back and playin the same old boring song... :roll:

Yes it does. Somebody please bump the needle...

Paul PM'd me since he isnt that good at computers. So I am going to post his pics of the heads and then he can come back and explain if need be. I am neutral here, just trying to help the guy out.

Chris

http://s330.photobucket.com/albums/l..._symheads3.jpg
http://s330.photobucket.com/albums/l..._symheads6.jpg
http://s330.photobucket.com/albums/l..._symheads4.jpg
http://s330.photobucket.com/albums/l..._symheads1.jpg

Isn't it somewhat common for heads that have been heavily ported/modified to have epoxy on them? just a question.

It happens, port alittle to much or over time with heavy port you may need some epoxy to seal. Its not that uncommon, my heads have alittle epoxy in them and there fine. It's the cracks and BS you tell people when your selling something that gets everyone in a tissy. Just be honest when selling and everything usually works out.

Heads
 

This part number head is one that years ago was used in pro stock and as such every set has epoxy. I was totally upfront about this as was I they were filled solid so no water here. They were not cracked and I was honest. I was honest to the point of if they were supposedly cracked I replaced them with new along with the 8 run old lifters he bitched about. He then never sent anything back and had the stones to say the new lifters I sent were rebuilt when they still had the wrap on them. And if you read the other thread this was a trade for a Jr. The motor and clutch in this car were junk and he admittedly writes he welded the backhalf of the car at the track and it don't look so good. I unfortunatly found out about the motor and clutch AFTER I tried to make good the head situation. I want to stress, I do not feel these heads were cracked in any way and were as I described them. If he was honest about it he would have sent the parts back as agreed especially if they were cracked as he asserts. AND HE SOLD BOTH SETS ON THIS SITE and refuses to take responsabilty for the Jr motor or clutch

Pics
 

Well, there are the pics of the heads, Jesels and all. Thanks Chris for posting them. All I can say anymore is these are the exact pics sent to them (taken for them) and there were a few more pics but it would be redundant. And as for the rest of the motor, it is for sale by note here on RJ and it's either as I described it, or he is trying to screw someone??? You decide. The motor including the heads was exactly as I described it. I went above and beyond when I replaced the heads, lifters and gaskets with the promise they would RETURN the old parts they "SAY" were damaged. I even provided pre-paid shipping labels. Needless to say, they failed to send anything back nor did they do anything about the Jr Motor that was in need of major repair, the clutch that was unusable junk or the broke chassis he admits welding at the track. I have kept my word with everything I told them including sending replacement heads. THEM?????? NOT ONCE

All i can tell you is when i got my engine from sonny' engines last year the intake ports,[ in heads] intake it's self, exhaust ports had epoxy in them where they were ported, had no problems with mine :!: :!:




'' JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

WOW what a fraud I never received any of these pics because if I did I would have never went through with the deal.......HE sent pics but not these that are showing this much detail of the heads...

If he went to so much touble to make me happy then why would he not just give me my car back??????

Trade
 

You must of had a deal in place for Paul to send you a set of heads and other parts to replace the set you say were no good, otherwise I just can't
believe he would just ship these to you for no reason, how am I doing so far? Now you agree he did send you these items and you in fact said you sold both sets on this site, and nothing was returned as was the deal, (so at this point are you still with me) what you did was steal a set of heads and sell them, these were not your property. Now go look in the mirror and say these words out loud "WHO's THE CROOK"

Pics
 

Now this is getting hilarious with your denials and total bs NOTE or sheetmeltal or loggingman or nike, your all the same person! THOSE PICTURES ONLY EXIST BECAUSE I TOOK THEM FOR YOUR DAD, ALL OF THEM SHOWN AND MORE. I even called your dad back because I spelled sheetmetal correct in your email address and it was sheetmeltal? Go figure on that one!! I did not take them for my benefit, I had the motor in the garage to look at in person. It is obvious that I have these DETAILED PICS BECAUSE SOMEONE (YOU) WANTED MORE PHOTOS. And by the way, it shows to any reasonable person that if I do have these photos, I was not trying to decieve any one in any way and that the discussion of epoxy came up and well, there you go PICS TO PROVE IT. I am also quite sure if we pull cell bills we can see EXACTLY how many calls were made and how much discussion went into this deal, as it was many, for HOURS. You are a pathalogical liar and have absolutly no proof in your accusations about me. I, on the other hand have proof on multiple fronts including these pics that were sent, you admitting you recieved my heads, lifters and gaskets and SOLD THEM on RJ and mostly from the people who took your "FRESH" Jr motor apart which was junk and the clutch company who handed me back your clutch with a laugh saying "not worth repairing". So lets recap for you

YOU SAY I DECIEVED YOU?
THE PHOTOS SHOW I HAD DETAILED PICS BECAUSE I WANTED YOUR DAD TO BE SURE HE WANTED TO TRADE. AND YOU WERE THE ONLY ONE I WAS DEALING WITH ON THIS MOTOR. NOBODY ELSE RECIEVED THESE PICS BESIDES YOU!!!! THEY EXIST BECAUSE OF YOU AND FOR THAT I THANK YOU FOR HELPING PROOVE MY STORY

YOU ASK WHY I DID NOT COME BACK TO TRADE BACK?
I WAS HALFWAY BACK TO VEGAS 700 MILES AWAY AND WAS NOT TURNING AROUND. YOU HAD A RELATIVE THERE AND WERE STILL THERE IN TEXAS. I ACTUALLY HAVE A JOB, THE SAME ONE FOR 13 YEARS AND I WAS SURELY NOT TURNING AROUND OR COMING BACK THE NEXT WEEK

YOU THANK ME FOR THE "FREE" HEADS YOU SOLD ON THIS SITE AND THE "CRACKED" ONES WERE SOLD TOO RIGHT?
THAT RIGHT THERE SUMS YOU UP! A TOTAL SCUMBAG. YOU MADE AN AGREEMENT AND NEVER KEPT YOUR WORD. I HAVE KEPT EVERY WORD I HAVE GIVEN AND MORE TO YOU.

YOU ADMIT YOUR CAR WAS WELDED AT THE TRACK, AND DID NOT LOOK GOOD. YOU ADMIT MY PROFESSIONAL BUSINESSMEN WHO TOOK YOUR JR MOTOR AND CLUTCH APART ARE NOT LIARS!!!!!
THEN YOU OWE ME FOR THE HEADS YOU SOLD, THE NEW LIFTERS, GASKETS, SHIPPING, $1600 FOR JR MOTOR REPAIR, $850 FOR A CLUTCH, $200 FOR CHASSIS REPAIR AND I'LL JUST STOP THERE, SO PAY UP IN CASH $$$$$$$$.

Between all four threads on this subject, you have admitted to all I said and verified MY STORY, not yours. I sent you an email with those pics and you decided to trade. I am the one who lost huge money here getting your Jr car that was broke, motor worn out and had a junk clutch. I also have over 3k in replacement parts you were supposed to return. So now how do you have the balls to post I am a fraud when you are a lying sack of sh&%#T who NEVER keeps his word?

SO WHO IS REALLY THE FRAUD NOTE???? IT IS YOU AND YOUR DAD PAT WILLIS
the sentence above is BROWN because it fits them so well!

MONEY
 

Hey NOTE, ANY MONEY YOU REPAY ME FOR THE PARTS YOU SOLD OF MINE AND POS JR MOTOR & CLUTCH I WILL DONATE TO CHARITY OR DRAW OR A WORTHY CAUSE!! EVEN IN YOUR NAME IF YOU WANT. HOW DO YOU SPELL RICHARD IN 4 LETTERS ANYWAY?

NOTE----I REALLY THINK YOUR ARE A CROOK THRU AND THRU :oops: AND MAKE ALOT OF CROOKED DEALS WITHOUT FLINCHING :evil: :evil:

BUT--THE OLE SAYING --WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND FITS THIS SCENARIO PERFECT[YOU ARE HEADED FOR A TERRIBLE FALL] -YOU WILL MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE WITH SOMEONE THAT WILL NOT COME TO A FORUM TO TRY AND SETTLE THE PROBLEM/ BUT WILL FIND YOU BY YOURSELF AND GET HIS MONEY BACK -PERIOD- NO MATTER WHAT IT TAKES :idea: :idea:
PEOPLE LIKE YOU THINK THEY ARE ABOVE ANSWERING FOR THEIR SINS BUT THEY AND YOU HAVE ALOT TO LEARN :!: :!:
I WISH RJ HAD A WAY TO KICK YOU OFF FOR LIEING AND STEALING BUT IT TAKES ALOT TO DO THAT[ TO BAD] 8) 8) 8)
LIVELY

Well said LIVELY. Couldn't agree more. blownalky3 i hope this gets straightened out for you it sounds like you did all you could.

I am not dealing with this anymore you know good and well that these are not the pics that you sent to me. We said that we would come to Vegas and get the car. You are a liar and a fraud

Then post the pics he sent you, along with the email header. If you feel that the other person is indeed "a fraud" prove it- Else calling Paul Savoy a Fraud without proving it is one thing-Libel.

Should Mr. Savoy be inclined, he and his attorney could make things a bit unpleasant for you.

Then instead of calling him a Fraud, you might be calling him Sir.

Scorp

and calling Bubba...DADDY!!! :D

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Paul,
I feel you may have at least got some mental justice in this deal. I am glad that I could help by posting the pics. The wife and I will look you up in Vegas come the fall. I look forward to trying some of that cooking you brag about!

See ya

MORE BS FROM NOTE
 

NOTE: I am thankful people see you have cought yourself between the many lies you tell. To say those are not the pictures I sent you further proves what an ass you are! There were a few more pics as well, and they were taken for you and your dad. AND IF YOU SAID YOU WOULD DRIVE HERE, YOU HAD ALL MY CONTACT INFO, WHY DIDN'T YOU? NEVER SAW YOU? WHY DIDN'T YOU COME HERE IF THEY WERE BAD? All I had originally asked is that you stop posting crap about me in the ad section, as Scorpion suggested I do have a legal right here if I CHOOSE. So go crawl back into your hole and stop posting about me or I will CHOOSE!!! You should find your conscience, stop lying and BUY ME A NEW SET OF HEADS, LIFTERS AND FIX THE JR MOTOR & CLUTCH THAT WAS JUNK!!!!!

I also have to say that in trying to defend myself against your lies I unfortunatly pissed a few people off who were just looking for the entire story before judging. I wanted instant vindication as I know how right I was in this deal, but as it usually does, the truth comes out sooner or later. I also made some friends along the way, which is great.

MY OFFER STILL STANDS IF YOU DECIDE TO DO THE RIGHT THING PAT WILLIS!!!!!

WHETHER MONEY OR PARTS ARE SENT, I WILL DONATE 100% OF THE FUNDS TO A CHARITY OF RJs CHOOSING. YOU CAN EVEN SEND THE PARTS TO A THIRD PARTY FOR THEM TO MEDIATE THE DEAL!!!!

IT WAS NEVER ABOUT THE MONEY, JUST YOUR LIES AND THE FACT YOU HAD THE NERVE TO POST WHEN YOU ARE THE WORST LIER I HAVE EVER DEALT WITH!!!!

AHHH YES... the sweet smell of justice. Note, you suck. No proof, no pic's to back up your claims, & you are a lousy liar.

FYI
 

PLEASE BEWARE THAT NOTE, AKA PAT WILLIS & SON HAS CHANGED HIS NAMES AGAIN. CURRENTLY HE ONLY STILL HAS LOGGINGMAN. I HAVE TO WONDER IF HE WAS ON THE UP AND UP (NOT), WHY HE KEEPS CHANGING HIS NAMES ON THIS SITE?????? SHOWS HOW SLIPPERY THEY OPERATE. THEY CAN'T EVEN OWN UP TO THEIR LIES & THIEVERY AND HAVE TO HIDE! AGAIN!!!!!!!!

NAMES SO FAR THE LAST 3 WEEKS: NOTE, SHEETMELTAL, NIKE, LOGGINGMAN.

PLEASE BE CAREFUL DEALING WITH ANY BODY CLOSE TO Natchitoches, LA OR THE LAST NAME WILLIS AS I AM SURE HE IS HIDING HIS HOME CITY NOW ALONG WITH HIS ACCOUNTS AND ALL HIS PROFILE INFO. :twisted:

Paul you are the one that is the liar you know good and well that these are not the pics that you sent to me! If I still had all of my e-mails and pics I would post them on here. You say that I am the liar we called you after we left and asked if the block was O-ringed because it had copper head gaskets you being the trained liar that you are said that yes it was....If it was then why would you have sent new head gaskets along with the other "NEW"parts that you sent to us???? I mean you say that you knew the motor and what it was about..UUUMMMM seems like you just happen to over look that one little thing... :shock:

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :roll:

Pics
 

Note: You remind me of my old boss. If he thought it was January and said it out loud, he thought everyone should agree. IT'S NOT JANUARY, BUT YOU ARE STILL A THIEF NO MATTER THE MONTH!! You talk (or type) to hear yourself? THOSE ARE THE EXACT PICS I SENT YOU, AND THE ONLY REASON I HAVE THEM IS YOU!!!!!!! I have what is called PROOF. Look it up. And I sent you the head gaskets for TWO stupid reasons, I TOOK YOUR WORD ABOUT SOMETHING AND YOUR DAD WANTED THEM! Your word means nothing, you are a liar and a cheat. How about talking about the heads, lifters & gaskets you stole? RETURN THEM OR PAY ME!!! And more importantly the junk Rhino (not fresh, JUNK) and totaly useless clutch you had on your BAD ASS DRAGSTER???? I again have proof, you have ???????? well you. YOU OWE ME LOTS OF $$$$$ THERE. AND EVERYONE WHO HAS READ THESE THREADS CAN SEE YOU ARE A THIEF, A LIAR AND HAVE NOT KEPT YOUR WORD ONE TIME!!!!! IN SHORT, GET A LIFE AND TRY BEING HONEST THIS TIME. BY THE WAY, WHO ARE YOU THIS WEEK??? AND WHY DELETE ALL YOUR INFORMATION PAT WILLIS AND SON????? GOT SOMETHING TO HIDE??? INNOCENT PEOPLE DON'T DELETE ALL PERSONAL INFO AND CHANGE THEIR SCREEN NAMES LIKE UNDERWEAR!!!! OR ARE MORE PEOPLE PISSED AT YOU??? BE A MAN, POST YOUR PROFILE REAL NAME AND ALL. OTHERWISE SHUT UP AND BE A SILENT NOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What does me posting my info have to do with anything??? You still dont admit to lying about the block, plus all the other stuff that you lied about, you just type good so that you can get everybody to believe your lies! :twisted: :twisted:

And here is another thing,I have only two accounts Loggingman,and Nike.Racingjunk deleted my sheetmeltal because I kept on posting ads about you the fraud that you actually are.The Nike account was created for a friend that does not have internet acess.And the note name just keeps coming up because that is that I signed in with in the forum section.So I am not a liar you are and you know it!!!

note i was wondering if the heads where junk why did you sell them to someone else ? did I miss something ? Thats not cool.

Didnt Call you Sir
 

Hey Paul-

Another email where you are called a "Fraud" and a "Liar"-

Could you please just sue him for libel? No proof just allegations and damage to your reputation.

It will also keep this neverending thread from re-generating.

You could probably even get donations from RJ forum users for legal expenses.

Scorp

Well the same can be done to him because he is not to innocent either..

Note
 

Note: Having people know who you are is a very big deal. I have posted my name & city many times, so go ahead if you have the balls, fill out your profile/s. You had your information listed UNTIL you started this? Why delete it all of a sudden? Your NOTE account is deleted to? WHY??? AND ONCE AGAIN YOU NEVER MENTION THE JUNK JR MOTOR AND CLUTCH THAT COST ME 3K TO REPAIR/REPLACE. And don't use the word "Either" because I have proven my innocence with FACTS, PICTURES AND CORROBORATING EVIDENCE! YOU ARE ON THE GUILTY PLANK SOLO!! You have admitted to everything I have accused you of in the many posts you keep insisting on burying yourself with. I SENT YOU BRAND NEW HEADS, LIFTERS AND GASKETS ON YOUR WORD THERE WAS A PROBLEM. YOU NEVER SENT ANYTHING BACK AS AGREED COSTING ME OVER $3000. YOU ALSO OWE ME OVER $3000 FOR REPAIRS TO THE JR MOTOR, CLUTCH, BACKHALF AND MISSING PARTS ON THE CAR. I also will be having my lawyer, Walsh & Friedman of Las Vegas sending you a demand letter to cease and decist with your accusations you have no proof of and if you are not careful I will add parts restitution of over $6000 plus legal fees. You have certainly given me enough written ammunition to more than bury you legally. And unlike you, I have pictures and businessmen to verify/prove my story. You are an admitted thief and a habitual liar. BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU POST NEXT. IT WILL SURELY ONLY HURT YOU IN COURT. IF YOU ARE SMART YOU WILL SHUT UP, BUT I DOUBT YOU ARE EVEN REMOTLY EDUCATED.

By the way, I TYPE GOOD???????? I type the facts. That does have a way of persuading people, WHEN YOU ARE RIGHT!!!!! People believe me because I have rock solid proof, not a dreamed up lie like you that keeps growing bigger and bigger

Note,
You still have not answered the question that has been asked at LEAST 3 times, if the heads were junk why did you resell them? Thats seems to be the main issue here, if they were junk why did'nt you just send them back to Paul. Junk is junk, so did you let the person you sold them to know they were junk? The more you type the harder it is to even believe you...