gas
 

$4.06 a gallon- i don't think our president wants any of us to drive :evil:
what the hell do we have to do !
can we shit some scientists ,and have them make us some good octane fuel
-hell they build ships for nasa!!

when i say good octane - i mean the lawn mower,and weed eaters,don't want to run on the local gas stations fuel
greed is killing our country in more than one way
let me guess-?? the gas will go down to $3.50, and that will be our relief,i did what i could-(smoke being blown up our a$$es)
where the hell is the expensive $2.00 a gallon gas??

theres ? 1 billion people in the usa? so theres 2.00's more per gallon- whos pocket is it going into???
1 billion people pay 1.00-,and keep paying it,now its 2.00 x ? how many years --PER GALON :evil: :evil:
4.50
5.00
6.00
where does it end--- a lock out on fuel pricing?

It doesn't end. They know we have to have it so we will pay whatever we need to to get it...sure we can cut back on travel and driving but we all have to get to work so what ya gona do?

shut this country down for 1 or 2 wks. dont buy gas. slowly build up a supply of food full tanks, etc. then every one stay at home. no work nothing.for atleast a week. KEEP YOUR MONEY IN YOUR POCKET. goverment would have to take action then.kinda like a modern boston tea party.but EVERYONE would have to stick together and do it so that aint gonna happen. but it does make me wonder what would happen if we did do it.

i remember they had a bad shut down over seas - i think in Europe,when the diesel got so high, now there fuel is 10-11 a gallon - i dont think we can take that kind of greedy $hit! here we need something to happen for the people not against the people- were all suffering over it
how much is race fuel here now???
fuel is needed just to get to work - home ect.. we will be working just to pay for our gas bills
its a necessity,and a MUST to make our nation go around
(I GOT THEM BY THE BALLS THING):evil:
I WANT IT 1.65 A GALLON!!!- AGAIN
there is limited vacationing - so there is less money being spent as well,as regular spending- economy comes to a drastic slow,is going to affect everyone

yea , well the president just went to the saudi's and ask for more
production of crude and their answer was "were meeting the demand",
come on, if it was your oil would you want someone to ask for
cheaper oil, and for you to make less capitol? In the eyes of the arab's,
they owe us nothing, they are not our friends, we should not count
on their oil are others as well. You think hugo is our friend, he's getting
rich selling us petrolium, Citgo. Our congress is at fault, not having the
refinerys built and drilling in OUR oil rich fields, congress has vetoed
bills for drilling and for more refinerys, too late now, get ready for
higher prices, hugo chavez said he wanted $200 a barrel. we need
an alternative, and not corn, need more testing with electricity,
and alcohol, but it will never be @ a $1.50 a gal., lets get our
congress to start earning their big, they approve their raise, salary.
and start getting some relief, it's going to affect everything. :evil: :evil:

I tell ya guy's, everyone who isn't planning ahead and making preparations for an economic colapse is making a big mistake. If you don't grow your own food start, If you don't have some dry goods stock piled do it, if you can grow food preserve it.

When gas prices get so high that people just work to by gas to get back to work, what's the point in going. More and more people will be on government assistance, businesses will fail, jobs will be lost, what food is available will be so high you can't afford it. I bet there's already people in this exact situation who can't afford to by fuel for the drive to work. If we have any kind of disaster this summer that might interupt oil production in the gulf or middle east, get ready for double digit prices.

Here is an interesting article, read it!


Another sign of the times.


Wall Street Warns Americans To Begin Stockpiling Food



Darryl Mason

Your New Reality

Thursday, April 24, 2008



The New York Times recently told its more wealthy readers to consider buying a rural cottage, or even log cabin, to ride out the water and food riots that militarised police forces are preparing and training for, and now Wall Street recommends its readers to begin stockpiling rice and cereals, not only to fend off hunger but as an investment opportunity :



Food prices are already rising here much faster than the returns you are likely to get from keeping your money in a bank or money-market fund. And there are very good reasons to believe prices on the shelves are about to start rising a lot faster.



"Load up the pantry," says Manu Daftary, one of Wall Street's top investors and the manager of the Quaker Strategic Growth mutual fund. "I think prices are going higher. People are too complacent. They think it isn't going to happen here. But I don't know how the food companies can absorb higher costs."



The latest data show cereal prices rising by more than 8% a year. Both flour and rice are up more than 13%. Milk, cheese, bananas and even peanut butter: They're all up by more than 10%. Eggs have rocketed up 30% in a year. Ground beef prices are up 4.8% and chicken by 5.4%.



You can't easily stock up on perishables like eggs or milk. But other products will keep. Among them: Dried pasta, rice, cereals, and cans of everything from tuna fish to fruit and vegetables. The kicker: You should also save money by buying them in bulk.



If this seems a stretch, ponder this: The emerging bull market in agricultural products is following in the footsteps of oil. A few years ago, many Americans hoped $2 gas was a temporary spike. Now it's the rosy memory of a bygone age.



The readers of the Wall Street Journal now know it's time to get busy stockpiling. For good reasons. Shortages of rice and other essentials are now being reported in American cities :



Many parts of America, long considered the breadbasket of the world, are now confronting a once unthinkable phenomenon : Major retailers in New York, in areas of New England, and on the West Coast are limiting purchases of flour, rice, and cooking oil as demand outstrips supply. There are also anecdotal reports that some consumers are hoarding grain stocks.



At a Costco Warehouse in Mountain View, Calif., yesterday, shoppers grew frustrated and occasionally uttered expletives as they searched in vain for the large sacks of rice they usually buy.



"Where's the rice?" an engineer from Palo Alto, Calif., Yajun Liu, said. "You should be able to buy something like rice. This is ridiculous."



"There have been so many stories about worldwide shortages that it encourages people to stock up. What most people don't realize is that supply chains have changed, so inventories are very short," Mr.Rawles , a former Army intelligence officer, said. "Even if people increased their purchasing by 20%, all the store shelves would be wiped out."



An anonymous high-tech professional writing on an investment Web site, Seeking Alpha, said he recently bought 10 50-pound bags of rice..."I am concerned that when the news of rice shortage spreads, there will be panic buying and the shelves will be empty in no time. I do not intend to cause a panic, and I am not speculating on rice to make profit. I am just hoarding some for my own consumption," he wrote.



The presidential Bush family's favourite newspaper, the Washington Times, notes the rapidly growing chaos and panic in American food industries, and the demented greed of Wall Street :



Farmers and food executives appealed fruitlessly to federal officials yesterday for regulatory steps to limit speculative buying that is helping to drive food prices higher. Meanwhile, some Americans are stocking up on staples such as rice, flour and oil in anticipation of high prices and shortages spreading from overseas.



Community Futures Trading Commission (CFTC)....regulators said high prices are mostly the result of soaring world demand for grains combined with high fuel prices and drought-induced shortages in many countries.



Costco and other grocery stores in California reported a run on rice, which has forced them to set limits on how many sacks of rice each customer can buy. Filipinos in Canada are scooping up all the rice they can find and shipping it to relatives in the Philippines, which is suffering a severe shortage that is leaving many people hungry.



While farmers here and abroad generally are benefiting from the high prices, even they have been burned by a tidal wave of investors and speculators pouring into the futures markets for corn, wheat, rice and other commodities and who are driving up prices in a way that makes it difficult for farmers to run their businesses.



U.S. wheat stocks are at the lowest levels in 60 years because worldwide consumption of wheat has exceeded production in six of the past eight years, said U.S. Agriculture Department chief economist GeraldBange . Adding to tight supplies was the back-to-back failure of two years of wheat crops caused by drought in Australia, a major wheat exporter, he said.



In addition, the diversion of one-third of the U.S. corn crop into making ethanol for vehicles has increased prices for corn and other staples such as soybeans and cotton as more acreage is set aside for ethanol production.



The upswing in prices has been exaggerated by the massive influx of investors and speculators seeking to profit from rising prices for corn, wheat, oil, gold and other commodities. Big Wall Street firms and hedge funds have taken huge positions in futures markets that once were dominated by relatively small operators such as farmers and grain-elevator owners.



Oil speculation helped drive the price of a barrel beyond $100, and now 'food speculators' are going to do the same for the food you need to buy to feed your family. And the government doesn't want to stop it happening.



Maybe they're hoping Monsanto with save the day, and bellies, of Americans with GM crops, but the 'miracle' of GM crops is turning out to be little more than clever marketing. Monsanto now admits their genetically modified crops do not actually produce higher yields of rice and grains. More food from less acreage is something they aspire to achieve, not something they can actually do yet.



Food prices will stay high simply because oil prices will never drop below $100 again. It will only ever increase, drop back a few dollars, then increase again. We're already being softened up by oil cartels and governments to expect $200 a barrel prices within the next few years.



When oil hits $150 a barrel, trucking and freight companies will start projecting big losses, and will reconsider whether it pays to service longer, less profitable routes to smaller urban population pockets. The sort of places that need nearly everything trucked in, but produce little to truck back out again. When the delivery trucks slow, or cease altogether, most supermarkets will be emptied of food within a few days.



Soaring food prices, and food shortages, are impacting across the world.



In Japan, people are trying to cope with the savage shock of shortages of staple foods, stunning rises in the price of rice and emptying supermarket shelves :



"I went to another supermarket, and then another, and there was no butter at those either. Everywhere I went there were notices saying Japan has run out of butter. I couldn't believe it.."



Japan's acute butter shortage, which has confounded bakeries, restaurants and now families across the country, is the latest unforeseen result of the global agricultural commodities crisis.



A sharp increase in the cost of imported cattle feed and a decline in milk imports, both of which are typically provided in large part by Australia, have prevented dairy farmers from keeping pace with demand.



While soaring food prices have triggered rioting among the starving millions of the third world, in wealthy Japan they have forced a pampered population to contemplate the shocking possibility of a long-term — perhaps permanent — reduction in the quality and quantity of its food.



The wealthy can only afford to buy the food that the poor cannot while that food is still available. When supplies run out, they too must either go without, grow their own or pay absurd prices for what was, only last year, so cheap.



How bad could global food shortages ultimately get? The lives of many hundreds of millions who have never known hunger before are threatened.



Will we be reduced to the pitiful state of Haitians, who have been driven by food shortages and extreme hunger to start eating the earth beneath their feet?



...the one business booming amid all the gloom is the selling of patties made of mud, oil and sugar...



"It's salty and it has butter and you don't know you're eating dirt," said Olwich Louis Jeune, 24, who has taken to eating them more often in recent months. "It makes your stomach quiet down."



The age of cheap and plentiful food, at least from supermarkets, is clearly over.



All governments need to encourage backyard, and balcony, food gardens. Houses that will never sell and are decaying can be bulldozed to make way for community farms. There are at least two or three dozen villages in England returning to thispre-20th century method of feeding the people and bringing the community together.



For city dwellers, however, even those with balcony gardens crowded with carrots, tomatoes, herbs, salad greens and citrus trees, the food staples like milk, cooking oil, butter and wheat, however, will continue to grow only more expensive.



The psychological impact for most Americans of seeing food riots in their towns and cities will be immense, and destructive.

yes, correct, there are families that were well off are now having
to hit the food relief and some have given up driving, and more
theifs are hitting the copper and other metals to sell, now it for gas
not drugs. Y2K did not scare me like it did others, but the price of
gas and where it is going and the effect it has on life it self, and
the housing industry in the dumps, its scary :cry:
and its not going to be the same :cry:

Lets try to get congress to help us out a little.

http://www.americansolutions.com/act...b-346a1e096659

Curtis

ponchholvr, eruope has always paid nore for fuel than we have. back when gas was going over a dollar a gallon they paid almost 4 a gallon.they have no refineries or much of a transportation system.thats why it so high now.noting has changed. there or here for that matter.it wasnt a shutdown that made it higher.companies like getty oil etc,they were the ones who opened the oil fields in camel land. it was thier money that built the rigs, set up transportation and the refineries.and or government gave it back to them. its wall street and speculaters that drive oil and food up now.we still produce more food than any other country in the world. that is our oil.and we give it away. feed our own people and let the rest eat the oil.i bet the oil wuold get a lot cheaper when they had to eat a bowl of oil insted of rice crispies. sorry about the spelling cant see good this morning.

It's all about Greed. When you have an President that has an oil company in his pocket that we will suffer.. I think when Bush gets out of Office it would have to help..?

One word guy's, HYDROGEN !

It's over 90% efficient versus the 30-40% of gas and diesel and it makes more power. Sounds like a solution to me, if we would put the money into researching it and not E-85. Which in my opinion is a huge waste of time and resources. :? :?

I'm going to do my share to help out. I will only make 4 passes this week instead of 5. if I do that every other week for 15 years, its bound to help!!

they owe us nothing, they are not our friends, we should not count
on their oil are others as well.

well they want peace ,and freedom ect....- so we get rid of there terrorists
and bomb the hell out of them, - clean things up-
(drop ??????)god knows how much food,and supplies to them,and you dont think they owe us?----we should have had a fixed price on our oil from them,until there debt was paid off!
were not short on oil like ppl think,
?? bush on his way out- so make a $hit load of money off oil?
then we will amazingly not need there oil as much,and bushes oil rigs will be in demand even more ,after his presidency if over
GRANTED I SURE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE MONEY OFF MY OIL RIGS IF HAD THEM,BUT I WOULD TRY MY BEST NOT TO BECOME THE GREEDY "EVIL DOER" THAT WE FIGHT ON A DAILY BASIS

READ MY LIPS- NO HIGH FUEL PRICES


:?: :?: :?: :arrow: :arrow:

i said in their eye's they think they don't owe us anything, i think
they owe us our boys lifes in their fight for freedom, now Iraq wants
us to forgive the loans they have with us, we need to suck all that
oil in Iraq as payment but thats wishful thinking :cry:

To many liberal ASS kissers to what needs to be done. We might offend or hurt someones feelings! :evil: :x

Blittle- I am with you. Too many Liberal whimps. Too many eco-crazy idiots (like Leo Decaprio) who think this earth will be around forever if we take good care of it... what a joke, I guarantee some crazy country will blow it up before we need to worry about the "ozone layer"...or Global warming. Me & all my family will have a one way ticket to heaven long before we worry about that. We need a new refinery, drill off shore in AK, & be self sustaining... but not with "Barrack Hussein Obama" in office.

im for drilling here in USA, but after all the approvals and refineries
going up and whats to stop the oil companies from selling to the
highest bidder? i don't think a company will go thru all the stages
to sell us cheaper oil, it will get out of hand, we need to have
an alternative to relief the oil demand and have a way around
the arabs, oil then will go down, i don't think Obama is the answer :cry:
when i start my 383, i can see the gas being shot out the exhaust :lol:

All I want to do is be able to afford going to the track a few times a year and have fun racing my car. Can't even do that now because of this gas crap. What the hell are we working for?

Somebody has to step up and do something. That's all I know.

7?? plus a hour for minimum wage- we all will be working for our rides to work,and our 6 dollar value meal lunches :evil:
i guess we will have to work 20 extra hours just to eat,and drive to pay for our kids to eat,because the food ,and gas keep going (upupup)- to quote shannia-lol
no more spending extra money on anything- there won't be any extra :!:
racing will drop off!- hell people will not be able to afford the luxury of going to the track every weekend

(as the system comes to a drastic slow)-- we all just ignore things like this until its too late

so -does this mean parts will get a lot cheeper-? :roll:

I'm not real sure about this but i think if we would just make all our oil, stay in the USA instead of allowing the oil companys to export to the highest bidders we wouldn't need nearly as much import products. As someone mentioned earlier, if we allow more drilling off the coast of AK. they would just export to the highest bidder instead of keeping the oil here. We also have plenty of oil rigs not even pumping because the oil industry claims they can import cheaper than pumping and processing what we have. In my opinion there's just too many people in political positions making a killing on these high oil prices and don't want anything to change, because they have so much money it's not hurting them in the least, only us day to day citizens.

JMO

Zip.

It's all a bunch of tree hugg'n hippy crap anyways.


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I have yet to make a pass this year...haven't had the extra money.The motor is back up running with brand new heads but for me to go to the track costs around $200 plus cause I have to pull an hour to get there plus all the normal expenses...gas for the generator, race gas, entry fee, ETC and I won't even mention the 4 or 5 barbeque sandwhiches I have to eat from the concession stand(mmm mm they are gooood.)
:lol:

I can't go to the closer tracks too easy ue to my work schedule...

i hate to think whats coming but i really belive that the mad max, road warrior type of thing is in the making.when that movie came out i said dont laugh that could really happen. the whole damn world depends on oil. and my friends laughed at me.well i had a friend who remembered what i had said and he called the other day and said "im sorry ken, it aint so funny anymore".at first i didnt know what he was talking about. and he reminded me.i have started to entertain the idea of stockpiling can goods and ammo.my family will not go hungry.or be threatened with violence to get what little we have.if our goverment would have told them to keep it cheap or starve i belive that things might have been different.i know they have a right to charge what they want. but we alsohave the right to do what we want with our oil (food).its not just the arabs that affect oil prices, its also the spectulaters that set tomorrows price on oil. if a camel sneezes they figure that is going to cause problems and bam oil is higher the next day.bush dont have a damn thing to do with it. that media hype and people who have to blame someone.BUT i dont beleive hes doing much to help it either.we have to quit talking and start doing NOW.pick a course of action and go.im to old and crippled up to go and take the oil but if i could i would.

There is a hydrogen research facility. It's at the Savannah River Site. if you've never heard of SRS it's in Jackson, Sc. Since the 1940’s it’s the place where plutonium and tritium are made for our nuclear bombs. Since the cold war “ended” it’s mainly a storage processing facility.
But, you can bet it’ll take a long time for them to make an alternative fuel source available to the public and cost us billions in research in the mean time.

There is no way possible for us to shut down our businesses or to not buy gas for a week, but there is something we could do. Think about this. For 1 week, do not buy any fuel or even a beer/ lottery ticket from 1 chosen fuel supplier. This week boycott Exxon, next week BP, the next Shell, etc. This way we don’t suffer but they do!!!
You stop buying for a week and I guarantee they will have to do something.

Holler at me!! Sounds like a good plan to me!!Man,I remember when gas hit $1.65 ,I about fell out!"I can't afford that!!"tsk..$1.65...I wish

you know i remember when i would need only 50 cents of gas, now
its $3., to mow the grass, wow. and i forgot about "mad max" and
thats right, if you had gas, you had power, and others wanted
it, 2 things, get a good peddle bike and buy a horse :?

Now, 4 dollars for a gallon of beer wouldn't be all that bad... :lol:

No offense intended signs, But I rode a horse, fron Missouri, to Baggs, Wy. when I was a young man. Now, a guy can road hunt from a pick-up, but most horses won't tolerate you setting off a 12 gauge next to their ear. :shock: JMO, I'd rather walk back to Baggs, than ride another horse out there. :lol: By the way, that horse got struck by lightning, and died near Ogallala, Neb. Freaked our dog out bad! He really liked that horse.
suicidebomb

no offense but "big brown" might differ, ha ha. you reminded me
of 2 movies, "sgt. york, when lighting struck the mule and cracked
his shot gun in half, and "gus and woodro went thru ogallala and got
shot by indians" ha ha, but this guy that said he is a time traveler said
in the future after the nuke war, we would need a good shot gun and
a horse, check it out for your self :?
www.johntitor.com

i like the idea of not buying from dealers a week at a time, good for
me :wink:

Gas
 

I 've read all of the remarks everyone has written.Stockpiling food,preparing yourself for hardtimes.One thing everyone left out,you better think about arming yourself.What's happening now in Atlanta,people are stealing to feed their families.No gas,no work,no work,no money,no money,no car ,no home,no nothing.By the end of the year,people are going to become so desperate about taking care of their loved ones that they will take what you have.So if you have stock-piled anything,you had better be prepared to protect it.This is far from over.Oh you say it won't happen to you,and it might not,but the way things are going,are you willing to take that chance.I live 3 miles from my job,I can't afford to by gas to go in may car,and soon I won't be able to afford the car at all.I'm selling things I thought I would never sell,to pay my bills and to buy food.What happens when I can't?We all sat back in the 70's and watched movies like "Soylent Green" and others about over-population and didn't think about these kind of things coming to pass.Well guess what,it's closer than you think.There are a lot of people on this web-site,that make a lot more money than me,and that's great because that is what this country is about.Your freedon to do whatever you want to afford your freedom.But please,take the necessary precautions to protect it and your families.The government is not going to help you when it turns ugly.Nobody is,your on your own.

thats right the gov. is not going to help, infact our tax money has
built nice shelters in the ground for the high officials only so they
can survive a disaster. but like I said, a shot gun and
a good horse is what it will come down to and please don't expect
the gov. to help you out of a situation, they'll make it worse. :?

I think some people are over reacting just a bit....yes it sucks that gas costs so much but I think we are a long way from having to stock pile food and guard it with a gun.I have seen nothing that makes me think we are anywhere near that kind of situation..people in this country still blow money on things they don't need, and aside from a drug addict or similar people would make lifestyle adjustments to make room in the budget for feeding their family. Everyone is entitled to their opinion,and that is mine...and I won't argue about it...so if you disagree, then more power to ya cause you probably know more about the specifics than I do, that was just my take on it.

good opinion tod, but people have been stock pilling since the 50's, thats
not new, but having all the situations that we have now, that's new.
just don't ignore it, its not going to get better, 2 men fought over
who was first at a gas pump last wk and the man stabbed the other
over nothing. a theif killed a home owner when he was caught stealing
copper from a house that was being built, the theif was underarrest
and confessed he was going to use the money for gas, on the other
side of town a same situation but this time it was the home owner
that killed the intruder, this is now happening all over the nation,
and these are not drug addicts, their using the money for gas.
the gas going up as passed sucking, its starting to take affect on
everyone, and some have a strange way of showing it :(

Hey Tod74, I hear you. It's an adjustment... the guy who steals for gas & ends up dead or in murder/jail is stupid & has lost his marbles. He can ride a BIKE or take the bus for crying out loud!! Hell, my kid has a 5hp 2stroke scooter that probably gets 60 miles to the gal... I can ride that if I am desparate. I will not steal or kill for gas... this kind of man is clearly unstable like the drug addict is for the next hit. DOES EVERYONE REMEMBER "Y2K"???? SILLY... these are trying times, but not desparate times yet. I don't want to offend anyone, but if you are a Christian (I hope you are) you know that God will pull us through this. Have faith, it will all work out. There is nothing God can't handle... he is bigger than the Arabs, Obama & the common criminals who don't know him. I have guns (& bows), but I HUNT with them. Otherwise, they are locked up away from my small kids. Granted, I live in Oregon where the crime rate is probably lower than NY, but I am not threatend by these fools... nor am I scared.

I've thought about asking my boss if I could work 4 10hr days instead of 5 8hr days. Our contract says we can.
That would cut my gas use by 20%.

A good idea... I use at least a gallon a day just driving to work.

i drove 120 miles a day /6 days a week/ for 1 year--there is no way i will keep doing that

THE OIL COMPANIES ARE LIEING AND ARE GREEDY--THEY THINK NO ONE WILL FIGHT THEM ON THIS [ ALOT OF PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE PRICE] BUT I WILL NOT GIVE THEM ANYMORE MONEY THEN I HAVE TO

BY THE WAY-I WORKED AT A REFINERY :shock: :shock: :shock:


LIVELY

I kept track this week. I'm spending $14-$15 a day just to get back and forth to work. :?

here in texas companies have gone to the 4 day a week schedule to
help save on gas, but did you hear, the saudi's want to up production
in fear that the world will look for other sources of energy, ha 8)

YES--THE SAUDIES RAISED OUTPUT--THEN ARE GREEDY OIL COMPANIES RAISED THE PRICE PER BARREL IN THE US


WAKE UP AND SMELL THE OIL GUYS[ THE RICH POLITICIANS ON BOTH SIDES WANT MORE AND MORE MONEY AND CONTROL- AND ARE DOING IT]

IT IS TIME TO RAISE CANE / CALL YOUR REPS/ PAPERS /CONGRESS/ ANYBODY WHO WILL LISTEN

IF WE DO NOT WE WILL NOT OWN ANYTHING THAT THEY DON'T WANT US TO

LIVELY

I know how ya feel... For a long time all I had to drive was my 1 ton 4x4 crew cab dually with a 454

I have a 44 mile round trip to work and then all the other driving I do I was spending well over a hundred bucks a week on gas :? I had to get a beater car to drive