He isn't going to answer any question directly all he wants to do is quote other people :!:



''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

Guys, I am back, and it's taken me a while to catch up on all of this. I want to let a couple/few of the guys posting on here a little about myself. To tod74 & blownalky3, I obviously do not know either of you, but I can assure you that I am far from a crook. I have been in this business for over 6 years and have been a business owner for almost 3 years now. I have advertised on RJ for several years. Other than having some slow shipments, I have never scammed anyone out of anything. I had a very rough year last year do to a really bad business deal with my ex business partner and with my father being sick last year and then his passing in January. Every (or most) businesses will or have gone through times where they have issues. I am no different. I can only look ahead and try to make things better for myself and my business. I have done business with litterally thousands of people and you would think if I were such a crook, that you would hear more about me. We have a small shop but do a large volume of business. I want to offer this to fogger...Are you willing to get on a conference call or 3 way call with me to PayPal? They will give you the proof that you need. You have made every excuse in the world not to contact your cc company or your bank. If this doesn't settle this, I don't know what will. If anyone would like to call or e-mail me, please feel free to do so. I am open to suggestions and advice. Thanks, Dwight. 859-647-7223 or [email protected]

I would like to see a copy paste to twinfoggers entire letter from paypal. They do not word thier letters like that, at least the one I got. I am with KY on this one with out the proper proof from twin.

Also does anyone know the answer to yellows trick question to register ?

I figured out the question to get in to YB.

After reading twinfoggers posts in there, I am shocked, with the attitude that he has in there. What a trash talking foul mouthed piece of work you are twin, you lose just from you mouth in my opinion. That is no way to cunduct yourself and no excuse to it at all.

I've talked to Paypal and my bank right after this happened. My bank told me to take it up with Paypal because there was nothing they could do because I authorized the payment to you. Paypal told me to dispute it, I did and won the case but the money was already stolen. I don't trust Paypal, they are crooks just like you to allow this type of crap to go on. You're a crook and a thief and this isn't the 1st time that your name has come up here or on the internet for stealing someones money. If I can get people to see what kind of crook you are and let everyone know and then they don't buy from you I will get satisfaction from that knowing they won't get their money stolen by you like I did.

do you really think I care about what those clowns have to say on YB? They talk trash and I talk it right back to them. Maybe you'd just sit back and accept it but not me. I talk crap right back to them. Its the internet, they don't do anything but talk and I go right back at them. As you can see I hold my own there an I'm still there giving them crap daily. I don't duck or dodge anyone. If they have a problem with me, I'm not to hard to find.

Again, Are you willing to get on a conference call or 3 way call with me to PayPal?I have posted an e-mail that is dated Fri, Feb. 5, 2010 from PayPal. I have given the reps name that I spoke with and her employer ID#. Please answer this question for me???

You took payment for parts then never sent the parts. That is a crook no matter how you look at it. It doesn't matter if the money is owed to paypal or to Twin Fogger....it is still owed.It would not be owed if you hadn't pulled it from your paypal account and then close the account ..I believe this was done deliberately to prevent them from getting the money because you already said you decided not to send the boxes. Case Closed .

Twinfogger I do not think you understand the beauty of being a stand up guy and carrying yourself in a manor that makes you seem to have good quality character. Runnung your mouth, F this F that, calling everyone names, just puts you at a level below where a good person stands. Basicaly it makes you look very inmature. I read the entire thread all 18 pages. You started with the names and crap first, here is an edited version of your exact quote, your first in the thread I might add.

QUOTE-twinfoggersbc, How the h-ll does it sound like that you dumb f--k? If you cant read, go find a kid to read the facts to your dumb a--. Youre a dumb a--, always has been and always will be. This happened in June you stupid f--k.

twinfogger this is what I call self charcter assanation, that means get the shoe out of your mouth, stand up tall and be nice about the way you carry yourself. I appreciate your toned down version here on RJ.

that won't happen, just read the crap he posts over at YB. The RJ forum is for people with common sense and just a little respect, you wont see that out of him. Plus he stays in 5-Star hotels and eats 5-Star meals wherever he goes, just ask him. :lol:

I know Harbone, thats what I made of the situation, from the language to the 5 star, I hang with the 76ers B.S.. I got the quote from YB that I posted. Its like Sybil, one second the lights are on, the next second the lights are off. I just think he makes himself look bad by talking that way, thanks for keeping it cleaner here twin.

[quote="blownalky3"]I have to side with Fogger on this transaction. I absolutly do not trust paypal either. I move my money faster than fast to a secure account not even at the same bank as my paypal account. As I said earlier

blownalky3 say's it right in his statement. He moves money faster than fast when it comes to PayPal. One of the first things that happened at our shop everyday was to dump money from our PayPal account into our business account, not even really looking where the source came from untill you start shipping parts. My PayPal account wasn't closed until sometime after this went down. I didn't close it in order to scam anyone. I closed it simpley because my father had terminal cancer and I couldn't spend the enough time at the shop, I didn't have suffinient help and because of the amount of money you make off of eBay, it wasn't worth it. Like I stated early in this thread, my feedback rating on eBay was 99.9% with over 1700+ positive feedbacks. Then the bottom fell out when my father got sick. Owing money to PayPal has nothing to do with what fogger is trying to pull. Owing them is like anyone else owing on a car or a credit card, it's another bill...I don't owe fogger anything and never had any intention of ripping anyone off. I think the whole argument is over fogger saying I owe him, when in fact I don't. He's the crook and he's the one trying to rip me off. I hope you can see where I'm coming fromTod74...

let me see if I can get this straight
Fogger sent KY money for msd boxes
Fogger didn't recieve boxes
Fogger filed with pay pal to get refund
Fogger claims he never got any refund
over 7 months goes by and no refund or parts
no charges filed for theft or fraud :shock:


KY recieved money for boxes
took money from pay pal account
pay pal couldn't retrieve money
over 7 months go by and KYSPEED still has the money (by his own admission)
KY has not shipped any boxes
KY says I don't owe Fogger anything :shock:

BEATS ALL I HAVE EVER SEEN..no product for money for over half a year but no charges filed for theft , business has a customers money for over half a year yet delivered no product..and owes him NOTHING..

LOOKS LIKE A FICTION NOVEL----UNBELIEVABLE :roll: JMO

Please read the entire post. He did place the order, I later decided not to ship him the parts because he tried it once before. I lucked out and got my money back from PP the first time. The first time I did send him the parts (for the exact same order placed the 2nd time) and he still disputed it with his cc company. He tried to do it the second time as well, we just didn't go through the whole process. He filed the dispute with PP and they refunded him him money. I in turn have to pay PP back because they refunded him. He didn't get any parts, he was refunded his entire payment.

Fogger filed a dispute with PayPal and I guess they told him that we had a negetive balance and the funds weren't available. This did not stop him from filing a dispute with his cc company. They went to bat for him against PayPal, which is who he originally paid, and was awarded the money back from PayPal. He got his money back, just not directly from me.

Ah but you forgot to continue my post about paypal. I said I move my money based on what happened to me, not because of any other reason. My post also stated you MIGHT move your money for a DIFFERENT reason. I am not a business. I have over 800 + feedbacks on eBay, and I am not a business, just one person. I understand the issues with having a death in the family. My Dad passed, but I was unable to miss a beat. I still had to take care of my Job (business). If you took the money for a part, send it or give the money back. 6 Mos is unacceptable. And paypal is not just another bill. It is like the IRS.......
You are paying them because you must have lost one or more disputes. Just take care of this issue so Mr Arrogant goes away. His attitude is pathetic.......But you still owe him his money

blownalky3, please don't take this the wrong way, but do you understand that he has already gotten his money back from PayPal and that I have to repay PayPal? I don't want to seem like I'm talking down to you or anyone else. He has been paid, he's just trying to get paid agian. I am and will take care of my debts, but I am not going to pay for them twice. I have been on and off of YB all day and the consensus is that he is a know crook and thief and apparently has taken more than a couple of people on there. Please understand that I am not giving you static over your thoughts and opinions, everyone is entitled to them. I just want to make it clear that he was refunded months ago, whether it was from me or PayPal, he was refunded...

See, that is the funny part. I have my doubts as to whether paypal paid him or not. They did't pay me shiit and told me they paid me. They paid me and took it back another way. He maintains that he was NEVER paid on this from paypal or anyone else. You can't seem to post up any proof otherwise either??? If your paypal rep told you he was paid, have them fax it on over to you. If they did pay him, the have the transaction documented as to how much and what account it was paid to. That should not be so hard to verify, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE MAKING PAYMENTS TO PAYPAL. Get paypal to fax you verification of the refund or get legal help to MAKE them give you documented proof. I would think by now you would want to prove your point. Hell, I would have wanted to 17 pages ago. Clear your name on YB and RJ.

Here is a copy of the e-mail that they sent me just last Friday. Please look at it and give me your opinion if this is sufficient or I need to get more information. I want to clear this up. Any suggestions would be appreciated.


Date Fri 2/5/2010 3:12 PM
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Hello Dwight Workman,

As you know, we have been using the information you provided to dispute a
chargeback filed against the transaction detailed below. Despite our best
efforts, the buyer's credit card company decided in favor of the buyer.

Unfortunately, we do not control the outcome of the chargeback decision
reached by the buyer's issuing bank in a credit card transaction. By
accepting the terms of the PayPal User Agreement, you agreed to accept the
decision of the issuing bank as final and legally binding for this type of
dispute.

Please review the information below for more details about this case.

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Details of Disputed Transaction
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Buyer's name: J Harper
Buyer's email: [email protected]
Transaction ID: 58V43533SC866350C

Transaction date: Jun 1, 2009
Transaction amount: -$3,320.00 USD
Case #: PP-732-695-982
Your transaction ID: 21V662725K513211V


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What to Do Next
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We encourage you to contact the buyer directly to try to resolve the matter
or to recover your merchandise.

If your PayPal account balance is negative because of this payment
reversal, please reimburse us by adding funds to your account or by sending
a check to the following address:

PayPal
Attn: Accounting Department
P.O. Box 45950
Omaha, NE 68145-0950
United States
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Due Dates
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None.


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Other Details
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There are no other details regarding this transaction at this time.


Thanks for your patience and cooperation. We appreciate your business.
Thanks,

PayPal
Chargeback Department

Please do not reply to this email. This mailbox is not monitored and you
will not receive a response. For assistance, log in to your PayPal account
and click the Help link in the top right corner of any PayPal page.

To review the PayPal User Agreement, visit the PayPal site and click the
"User Agreement" link on the bottom of any page.
CB:PP-732-695-982:USD3320.00:6/25/2009:58V43533SC866350C



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PayPal Email ID PP766

I had another guy send me something that might help clear up how PayPal works. I will post his message and I will also call PayPal tomorrow and get something from them in writing.


6.Seller responsibilities for Non-Receipt of Goods reimbursement requests. If a buyer has purchased a Money Back Guarantee and submits a reimbursement request that indicates non-receipt of goods, and if the seller does not provide a tracking number or proof of refund to PayPal within 7 days after the buyer files a reimbursement request, PayPal may (1) refund the buyer out of the seller's account or (2) reimburse the buyer and then recover the funds from the seller. If the seller does not have sufficient funds in his or her PayPal balance in the currency of the original transaction, PayPal may limit the seller's access to his or her account until the seller authorises PayPal to use funds from their balance, bank account, and/or credit card to recoup the amount paid to the buyer. If the reimbursement request is complete and accurate, PayPal is still required to reimburse the buyer for the amount of the transaction minus the Guarantee fee, even if the seller does not have sufficient funds in their balance.

And yet another bit of information that was passed on to me from someone on YB that may be interesting to all of those that have been reading this thread...

Quit trying to dodge the real issues here Dwight. The issue here is that you're a crook and refuse to answer any real questions thrown your way. I'm not the only who clearly see you're a crook. You stole money, and that's the bottomline. I'm not Tony Thorn, and someone on YB has already confired/verified that. I'm not white, which Tony is and my car has been posted and it sure as hell wasn't a white guy who got out of it. Not that I have anything against white people, I grew up around white people and my best friends are white. You're a crook and a thief Dwight. That's the real issue here.....

So who are you? We all know who KYS is. He posted his name, email address, phone number, and business name.

Jacob Harper. Its in the email that shows where Dwight stole from me. It says dear Jacob Harper.

ok so what responsible business owner would discuss a deal with someone he had trouble out of before? Why didn't you say immediately when I contacted you that you weren't going to do business with me? Why didn't you refund me immediately? Why did you say you were shipping the stuff the next day when I called you? Why didn't you refund me during the dispute process? Why did you deposit the money into your bank acct if you had no intentions of sending the boxes? You have dodged all of these questions every time you have been asked. Please answer tham. You say I placed the order and you LATER decided not to ship....why didn't you say anything when we discussed the order before any money was sent? Why accept money to begin with? You're a crook and a thief Dwight. Its clear and obvious. You stole the money, just admit it. Everyone can see what you did. There's nothing you can say or do. You had no right putting the money into your bank acct if you never had the intention of sending the funds. That's what you call a thief. Why didn't you ever contact me if you had a issue with the 1st payment? I never heard from you. You're a liar. There was never an issue, you're saying this non-sense to make your case better which isn't working. No smart business-man would ever allow anyone to place an order if they had an issue before on an order. You're a liar and a thief....

I can't believe ANYONE is wasting anymore time on this crap.
Like it was said earlier, a couple of thieves got caught trying to rip each other off.

these are legit questions Dwight, how about some legitimate answers. Stop spending all of your time on YB, everyone here sees you aren't a very good business owner and have figured you out as the thief, crook and liar you are. The idiots at YB, yes I said idiots because that's what they are don't know anything. Why don't you start addressing some of these questions?

To be honest, I dont think any of us give a crap anymore! You are a scammer that got caught, yes we know you paid the guy just ask him BUT you got still got caught and outed on YB and this thread is still a bunch of he said/he said getting kinda old and boring... :roll:

It seems as though you are dodging the questions here...again, are you willing to get on the phone with me and PayPal to clear this up once and for all? Plain and siimple...If you can't or are not willing to do this, I will call them again this morning and get the verification I need. It's up to you...

He's not gonna do anything, all he wants to talk about is how much he paid for a motel room, the 5-Star restuarants he eats at, his infatuation with homosexuality, his buddies $200 million dollar penis he likes starting at and the just plain BS and dribble that spews from his mouth... :twisted:

Here is a copy of the e-mail I just recieved from PayPal. I think this will say everything about the character that fogger is and what he was trying to pull against me. My door is always open. We did not and have not ripped this idiot off. Thank you to those who showed support. Dwight. 859-647-7223.

Date Tue 2/9/2010 11:45 AM
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Dear Kentucky Speed and Performance,

Thank you for contacting PayPal with your concern.

(Dwight Workman)



This is to notify you that the chargeback case of PP-732-695-982 has
been completed and the buyer did win that chargeback and his credit card
was reimbursed fully by PayPal. Kentucky Speed and Performance is in the
process of reimbursing PayPal. Thank you for your attention to this
matter.

The

Thanks again for contacting us, and thank you for being part of the
PayPal community.

Sincerely,
Charlene
PayPal Resolution Services
PayPal, an eBay Company

The attatchment didn't state foggers name, so I wanted to add the other e-mail attatchment that I got on Friday. All you have to look at is the case ID #. Dwight.

Date Fri 2/5/2010 3:12 PM
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Hello Dwight Workman,

As you know, we have been using the information you provided to dispute a
chargeback filed against the transaction detailed below. Despite our best
efforts, the buyer's credit card company decided in favor of the buyer.

Unfortunately, we do not control the outcome of the chargeback decision
reached by the buyer's issuing bank in a credit card transaction. By
accepting the terms of the PayPal User Agreement, you agreed to accept the
decision of the issuing bank as final and legally binding for this type of
dispute.

Please review the information below for more details about this case.

-----------------------------------
Details of Disputed Transaction
-----------------------------------


Buyer's name: J Harper
Buyer's email: [email protected]
Transaction ID: 58V43533SC866350C

Transaction date: Jun 1, 2009
Transaction amount: -$3,320.00 USD
Case #: PP-732-695-982
Your transaction ID: 21V662725K513211V

Fogger:

Your turn.

Please call Dwight a "thief, a crook and a liar", as you have roughly 700 times. I tried to copy the thread to Word and do a search on "thief crook and liar", but it froze Word each time.

Then accuse him of dodging questions.

Once this is complete, Dwight can then offer to conduct any number of conference calls with paypal, Fogger, the 76ers Basketball team, Mark Cuban, the Entire Moonlight Bunny Ranch, and Bobby Flay- all close friends of Fogger.

To which Fogger can then call him a "thief, a crook, and a liar".

We can go back and forth on this while we wait for the 40 inches of snow to melt.

Come on Fogger you can do it... A thief......, a crook..... and a liar.....

can you hear the ECHO, ECHO, ECHO, ECHO...

Dwight
Hopefully that clears this up. Not to be an ass, but that would have been handy info to have 19 pages ago and saved a ton of BS. Thanks for getting that.

Jacob Harper

BATTER UP

I know it would have helped sooner, but I thought at the time he should have gotten a statement from his cc company. Oh well, at least we know who the scammer and thief is now. By the way, if you have a couple of extra hours, go look at the new stuff posted on YellowBullet. It's amazing what this guy has done. Thanks for everyones help with this. Now, back to business...

Why don't you two scammers go somewhere else , go back to YB and scam people :!: :!: :!:




''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

try some Franks hotsauce, it helped with mine... :lol:

cough......cough..... ate mine feathers and all!! :roll:

Fogger its 6:09 on Tuesday.

You are looking around as I see you on the forum header.

Time to call Dwight a

THIEF

LIAR

CROOK

Come on Fogger! Do it.

Scorp