Since you don't use that bank or cc company anymore, you may want to contact them. I think it's worth the 3320.00. They may still have it, who knows. What I know is that you have been paid back and as far as my "payment plan" with PayPal, that's my business. Why didn't you post this on YellowBullett? You know they would have ripped you a new ass.

I've already posted the email I got from Paypal and it clearly says they decided in my favor yet they weren't able o recover any funds because YOU STOLE them.....what can't you understand here? There was NO money to reimburse me you had already stole it.

THANK YOU FOGGER

As for you Kentucky Speed, this part of the transaction is a generic response. As your account with Paypal is now closed, then yes, you will have a negative balance that you need to address with Paypal. As the reimbursement to Twin Fogger is not completed due to a closed account. It doesn't state anywhere on the part you copied that the money had been returned...

Dwight I don't care about Yellowbullet, believe me I give them just as much shit as they try to give them. Do you think I care about how they feel about me? That's not the issue here. The issue here is that you're a crook and a thief. That's the issue here and its been proven. Your story has changed quite a few times...and its ridiculous. 1 story after another. You could of easily ended this mess by NOT depositing money into your bank acct if you knew you had no intentions of sending me what I paid you for or refunding me as soon as I filed the dispute with Paypal. You did neither you stole the money. That much is clear....

I will be out of town starting tomorrow. I will pick back up on this on Monday. Dwight.

Awaiting your response...

Youre a crook and a thief, what is there to pick back up? You have been exposed as a crook and a thief....

OK like I posted BEFORE

Fogger, would you be happy if KY paid $3320 to Paypal?

OK so 12 pages later Kyjelly now admits he has an ongoing dispute with paypal, which later turns into I am making payments to paypal and it's nobodys business. Does it bother any one else that Ky is sloooooly regaining his memory as the world turns..........upside down on him???

My conclusion is you are either a Rattler or a Gardener but for sure a snake

Fogger, I hope you get reimbursed for your loss and he gets what is coming to him

I would be happy with what I sent the guy. I dont trust that Paypal would give me my funds. After I thought about it and Paypal told me that they werent able to recover my funds....what about the fee they charged that went right to their acct? Shouldnt they have been able to recover that for me? I know its not much but saying they werent able to recover ANY funds when they got their cut right off the top doesnt really sit well with me. I dont trust Dwight or Paypal. I paid him for items and he never delivered on them or refunded me, he has stated as much.

Exactly...his story has changed so much its ridiculous. Paypal took the money from him at first and then when cornered he says that kyspeedparts has my money and not Paypal. Now he is making payments to Paypal? the guy is a thief....

what I dont understand is what is he making payments FOR? if paypal hasn't paid you , then why would he owe them money??

i have no idea. he had a whole lot of negative feedback around that time on ebay....maybe everyone else filed a dispute with him on Paypal too. i dont know

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...:X:RTQ:US:1183

he claims that he has my money now. he also claimed that Paypal took it from him. if they took it from him as he said. then how does he still have it? the guy is a liar and a thief. my email from paypal clearly says they werent able to get my money from him. he claimed they had already taken the money from him.

OK here's my opinion. If foggers money had NOT been refunded he wouldn't care how it came back to him. He would let paypal handle it. I wonder if he doesn't want paypal to get it because he's going to double dip. Get paid twice. Once by his bank and then again from ky.

why am I to believe Paypal would give me money when I think they are just as wrong as kyspeedparts is in this mess?

IT SEEMS THAT TWO LESS THAN HONORABLE PEOPLE HAVE MET IN THE SAME DEAL BASED ON WHAT I SEE ABOUT THERE PASTED DEALINGS. JMO

i dont do business with paypal for this very transaction. how they just gone let the guy steal from me and not do anything. how can they not recover anything when they get a percentage off the top. at the least why not return that? they are just as bad as kyspeedparts in my opinion. i honestly have no faith in either. if i can get 1 person to change their opinion and not buy from kyspeedparts then its alright with me. im not expecting any money from kyspeedparts. they are crooks and a thief. thats not my mission at this point. my mission is to destroy their business so they wont get to take someone else like they took me. i never filed a dispute with my bank. i filed it with paypal. my bank wont be giving me anything. i authorized this transaction. they called me to verify it before they released the funds to paypal and before paypal released the funds to kyspeedparts.

past dealings has nothing to do with this transaction. the facts are clear on this transaction.

if theres anyone i owe on here or any where else...tll them post up. you arent going to find anyone because i have no debts.

hmmm that last statement says alot think that both had some issues but fogger got his money back "doesnt bank at that bank" is an excuse for i got paid and now want to get paid twice. so if kentucky making right with paypal (where the money came from) then he is making it happen. and since they(paypal) say it went neg when when bank/cc refunded money personally think its being handled and twinfogger just butt hurt cause he cant double dip. hell if it was me there would be AG/DA cops and everyone else cause i aint given 3300 buck up with out a fight since no legal actions taken makes me think double dipper

its pretty clear what happened. the facts are clear here. ive been consistent. kyspeedparts hasnt....its pretty simple. paypal took the money. now he has the money. and is repaying paypal. hes a liar and a thief. and i havent gotten 1 dime from him, paypal or the bank. those are the facts.

WoW!! this thread has gotten totally crazy to the point that i don't know who to believe.
I fail to see any evidence that from fogger that he didn't get his money back and i fail to see any evidence that Kentucky Speed paid it back or it was deducted from his account, IE: credit card statements showing the deductions or credit card statement where it wasn't put back into the account or bank account, or where Kentucky Speed paid it back. I find it convient that both parties cancelled their accounts at the bank and paypal :?:
I'm just glad that i have no dealings with either one of the actors, nor will i ever.
Stats can be blacked out on any statement and be posted as proof.

JMO

Zip.

i dont sell parts, nor do i need the internet to make a living. apparently kyspeedparts need th internet and need to steal money from people. you got proof and evidence that i paid the guy. he himself has verified it. he has also admitted that he never refunded or sent what he was paid for. the bottomline is this.

Zip:

You make a very good point. Slam! Bang! Zap! Powee!

Back and forth. You believe one then the other and I realized that I have believed both and read more posts then dont believe either.

So like you I no longer know who to believe. Soooooooooooo

Forum users- how about we try a new spectator sport?

Just let KYSpeed and TwinFoggerSBC post on this thread. No one else.

Jason can call Dwight a thief and a crook. And Dwight can say he is checking on it.

So how about it forum users? Just let them post- A Mano y Mano fight to the death.

Think about it- we have better things to do like wondering why MIDSOUTHHOTRODZ is peeping in right now. Hi Jason's nephew.

Scorp

I have to side with Fogger on this transaction. I absolutly do not trust paypal either. I move my money faster than fast to a secure account not even at the same bank as my paypal account. As I said earlier

I WON A DISPUTE WITH PAYPAL, GOT MY MONEY REFUNDED BY PAYPAL TO MY CREDIT CARD, AND THEN PAYPAL CHARGED MY BACKUP FUNDING SOURCE (MY BANK ACCOUNT) FOR THE MONEY THEY LOST GIVING IT BACK TO ME. SO I WON ONCE AND LOST IT AGAIN BECAUSE I ENDED UP PAYING MYSELF!!!!!!!! THATS HOW PAYPAL ROLLS

Ky would have the proof right in front of him if the money was given back. It would be right on his paypal account history. That is a fact. I say Ky is trying to play the system.

Exactly. It takes someone that has dealt with Paypal in a similar situation to understand where I am coming from.

After reading this entire thread I have no Idea who is telling the truth. I do know that it would be easy to tell if fogger would just pony up some Bank or credit card statements. I know you have said you know longer bank at the same bank but I would think you held on to your bank statements. It is not like this went down 10 years ago. The same about credit card statements. You are doing yourself no good by ranting and repeating yourself. Pony up the statements and we will all know. I have never dealt with KYspeedparts and probably wouldnt. You should pay whomever you owe. Fogger or paypal.

That has been my point...YOU owe paypal If they refunded him his money. Point is you got 3300 bucks for free.

Because he withdrew the money from his paypal account once TFSBC sent it..then he closed his account and never sent the boxes..SO even if TFSBC DID get his money back...KSP still has 3300 dollars that do not belong to him. Paypal hasn't paid TF because Dwight had no money in his account(closed account) Paypal can't pay him back if the money is gone(dwight's took it) and since they can't get the money from Dwight they would have to give TF some of their money...how likely is that?

Either way KSP is a crook.He took money for payment but never sent the boxes. In my book that makes him a thief.

Bingo. He had no intentions of sending the boxes according to him so why the hell did he deposit my money into his bank acct instead of refunding me? He also had the chance to refund me when I filed a dispute but chose not to.

it sure looks that way.

What an absolutely useless thread! Yawn, yawn........
Mom, Jimmy hit me! No I didn't! Yes you did! Mom, he hit me again!
Yea, I know you get my point!

Post up the evidence or shut the hell up already!

BTW, I wouldn't do business with either one of you two!

well , after listening to both sides this is what I think , probaly will make both sides mad , but thats life when you air your dirty laundry on a public forum..I think fogger DID order the msd boxs with intent to try and get his money back and the boxes , I think kentucky DID try and hide the money and not ship the boxes , I think Fogger got reimbursed by paypal and now Kentucky is having to pay them back..looks like two people tried to scam each other at the same time and now it is at a stalemate , time to sh*t or get off the pot , if you think someone stole over $3000 from you then press charges on them and have them arrested..if you can't because the truth will come out then you need to drop it...all this he said , she said is doing nothing at all . there is no way to solve this on this forum.unless bank statements are presented . anything other than that is a waste of time ..sorry if either side is unhappy with what I think but thats just what it is , what I think,,,,Paul

Paul, that is EXACTLY what I think happen here!! jmo, mike

I am back on the fence, neither one has shown what I would call "solid" evidence to support their stories. Its all he said/he said at this point. Time to move onto a new task and like Scorp said, just let these 2 beat each other down. :D