Do you really want to know??

OK cant say I didnt warn ya........

I was a 63b my second deployment in 05-06. We used Fram oil filters when we did the servicing on the huummers. The big equipments also had Fram. Now If we didnt have any Fram oil filters we had ones that were all white. They didnt have a name on them so I cant tell you what they were. They also came in plain brown boxes, except the Fram.

Since we had I believe 100+ vehicles we would try to get them changed every 3000 miles but in 1 year that was kinda hard to do with so many vehicles. So it might be only once in that year time frame.

There was a few that we had to rip apart just to get them off the engine. We found that they were still all together for the most part. Dont know if what was torn apart was from us or was there before we had to rip it apart.

Leave it to the miltary to buy the cheapest crap they can get there hands on.
I'll try to have faith though, maybe the plain white jane filters were WIX.

I think for the most part a everyday run if the mil street engine probably wouldn't be hurt by a fram but when you run a HV pump zing it up to 6500+ RPMS and use thick 20W50 oil is when it becomes a problem, their media cant handle that kinda flow and pressure and breaks down.
Not to mention their anti drain back valve never works, thats why you hear them rods clatter when you first fire the motor up till the filter fills back up with oil, a good oil filter like a wix or a pure one wont do that .

JMO>Cp

But, I bet the taxpayers paid a premium price for them! I have seen this too many times. Dave

That's not the case with Fram. My 94 Chevy ( 350) with only 70k miles was bone stock when the Fram filter collasped.

Trust me I have seen things that the Army pays an outragous price for. For example 1 rivet normally it is what maybe 25 cents. The Army will pay $1.50 for that same rivet.

SSSSSHHHHH! Dont' tell everybody. My Stepmom owns a business and only sells to the US military. She buys parts and re-sells to Uncle Sam. Since the Iraq war her business has been booming!! Sorry had to say it.

PELOSI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CAN'T BE HER--TELL ME IT AIN'T HER :shock: :shock: :shock:
ONLY KIDDIN
LIVELY

if pelosi were selling oil filters fram would be a better choice. with the pelosi filter all you would have is an empty can :shock: :shock:

Pelosi
 

Nahh, it would be full of hot air! :P

:lol: :lol: :lol: You guys are bad. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sorry to hear that, yet another example of how their filters have failed.

I used to run them years ago before I was in the know, liek I'm sure alot have.

Back then to me a filter was a filter, never really put much thought into it.
Hell, coming from an era in which I drove and worked on air cooled Volkswagens exclusively and their motors didnt even have a filter, I was sure any kinda of spin on filter had to be a great improvement over that.

I wouldn't put one on my lawn mower now.

JMP>Cp

Nah- Nah, it'd be full of SCHITT !! :evil: :evil: :evil:

Hey guys..... Thanks for all of the great feedback! If you haven't noticed this thread has had the most action out of all the threads on this site! That has to say something. I didn't win my case against fram but if this thread can tell just a few people about those poor quality filters and save someone else from engine failure then me losing in court may have been worth it..... WELL MAYBE?? Something that really got to me this weekend was I was watching the NHRA races in North Carolina and the winner of top fuel had Fram plastered all over his car,truck,hats,helmet in his cockpit every where!! These guys are so big they don't care about the little guys. I don't know if you guys know but Fram is owned by one of the biggest corporations in the world , Honeywell!! Now you know why the US government uses them!! Everybody that reads this thread do me and yourself a favor.......... if you get a chance find an old fram filter don't buy one (I won't give those SOB's another dime of my money) then buy a Wix or Napa then cut them open (If you have a oil filter cutter would be best) and make you own comparison! Let me know what you find? The Fram IS JUNK !!!

My neighbor is a IT guy for Autozone, he came by last weekend and told me they were running a special on a oil change, 5 quarts of Valvoline and a fram filter, I laughed and said, no thx...

As I watched the Carolina nationals this weekend, everywhere you looked fram, giant fram filter in the background, people holding up fram signs on raceday NHRA is eat up with it.

Just goes to show that sponsorship and advertising will get you customers regardless of how good your product is.

And the icing on the cake, Cory mac and the fram sponsored dragster of team Schumacher won.

Wonder how many folks after watching the show were thinking, man I need to go out and by a fram filter! If they only knew......



JMO, Cp

Here I thought I was the only one who used their teeth.

I have always used Fram..ALWAYS. But after reading this you can bet your bottom dollar I will never use another Fram product!

didnt bother readin through the 10 pages so sorry if someone already asked. But what fram filters are you guys having problems with. The only problem ive ever seen is my uncle stuck a short extra guard on his 555 just to start it up for a quick break in so he didnt have to put a big dent in his headers. But long story short it basically imploded the inside of the filter and crushed it like a soda can. But i've never seen or heard any problems about the HP filters. Used them for years and know hundreds of people that use them.

I suggest you go back and read this thread from the beginning. It will make you think twice before using a Fram ever again.

X2

Go read the entire thread. I used to be a die hard Fram Filter guy. I figured if it was good enough for John Force it was good enough for me. :twisted: :twisted: Now I am going to be switching to Wix as soon as I get home.

For me it was my 94 Silverado bone stock motor less than 100,000 ( I think it was around 85k) miles and the filter collasped. I was drving home from Atlanta but was only a few miles from my shop (where I worked) when it happened. The motor would still run, but it knocked pretty bad when you started it or put a load on it. I did call fram, they wanted the filter back, but I sold the truck and never sent the filter to them. I wish I would have.

The HP filters may be good. I've never cut one open, but I'm not gonna buy anything from Fram so it doesn't matter. Buy a Wix instead!!

2006 chevy trailblazer 60000 miles. 2000 miles into oil change filter collapsed. warning system saved the engine!! they dont just fail in race cars. fram sucks!! as for nhra they would endorse sodium silicate for motor oil if there is enough sponsorship money.

FRAM SUCKS
 

Used to be a die hard fram guy also had one collaps in the semi final of a bracket race in round robin oil presure warning light saved the motor but i never ran fram again switched to pure one never had another problem

For me its way past the if its an HP Fram or the standard Fram........ They aren't an honest company!!!!!!!!! They know they have a problem with their filters and they are so big they just dare you to take them to court! Bottom line...... They just don't give a good shxx about the little guy!!!!!!!! :x

I have a chevy small block with 60 psi oil pressure, oil pressure started dropping, changed fram filter to wix and oil pressure came back up! 2 weeks later at the track a friend complained his oil pressure was dropping so i asked what kind of filter he had. Of course he said fram. I told him to try another filter and he did, oil pressure returned to normal.

X2!! I have never had one fail, but I am DONE with them. At the very least, someone should take the corporate Fram lawyer out in the alley & beat him down a few times... they have no regard for the consumer/end user. Ultimately, their customer base is the dealer anyways. Luckily, I have never had a Fram on a HP motor!!

Yes.

The HP filters fail too.
Samething engine starts to lose oil pressure for no apparent reason, friend of mine ran them exclusively on his BBC, after having this happen with several NEW HP filters he switched to a purolator filter and the problem went away.

Spread the word.

Tell everybody you know how crappy their filters are and too STOP using them, when the word gets out to enough people they will have no choice but to improve their product.

JMO, Cp

i have had couple explode on start up use wix now

Wish I would have read this thread before I put a Fram filter on my 598 in my 96 S-10. It "sucked" the guts out of the filter. Getting ready to tear the motor down, real soon.

It's all good just as long as it didnt mess up the motor.

Fram filters will fail on a STOCK MOTOR, not just on modified engines engines.

I thought everybody already knew FRAM OIL FILTERS SUCK!

Years ago on my racing engines I use to use fram, had no issues. When the season was over and it was time to get the engine refreshened and my engine builder seen the fram he had a talk with me about fram and it was all bad. So I went to K&N heard some bad stories with them here recently. I've had no issues, I think I have been very lucky and maybe its because we mud drag race and its only for 2-3 seconds a pass 1-2 passes on the weekend.
My engine builder likes wix and he has talked me into the Hastings filter, what do you guys think about that filter? Not trying to hyjack the thread but trying to find out whats good and bad.

Anthony

Wix is a quality filter as is a hasting, might even be one in the same.
The Napa brand is another good one, it is just a wix in disguise.

Purolator makes a dam good one too, the purolator pur one is the one I use on my racecar.

Re-cap:

Purolator > good
Wix > good
Napa > good
Hastings > good

Fram > NOT good



JMO, Cp

Wix, Carquest, and NAPA are the same filter...

"So I went to K&N heard some bad stories with them here recently".

Much like Oil, everyone has opinion/bad story or knows someone who has a bad story about a filter such as a K & N for example. I have used the K & N on my last 2 oil changes & had zero problems... been lucky too.

On thing I do know, the lowest form of life is a FRAM corporate lawyer... the only lower thing in life is a FRAM filter... after that, you have Obama.