Tom, i have been following this all day and did a little research. I do know the jones act for rivermen. If you need my services just give me a ring. I would be more than happy to assist you in this matter.
If all post statements are correct and I could contact R.J. on your behalf i will be able to pull all of them from both sides.
It do not look like Mr. Bart has a leg to stand on. No one picture alone stands for a sell, statements made about a sell do.
In fact if everything is correct Mr. Bart could owe you for your troubles and on the Chevy.
The only misleading thing I have found is to be from Mr. Bart.
The tractor was his at the time for repairs to be made after he accepted the trade, your ad has nothing said that it is not your tractor just what your tractor had. His ad did say it was street legal with or without the running drivetrain it should be as he says.
Give me a call or run over.

lively
we did not trade on that post of the ad, i was at work and just showed a pic of a tractor that looked like mine except mine looked better, get the ad #'s from the post on here. the tractor we traded on was the ad from dec 30th / we traded on jan 1st on the same ad. the same tractor i had that was taken in the snow. i never said it was mine either not once.
he knew this the whole time also, he is just looking for some kinda reason for blame, i never started bitching about nothing until he said something on here. if he didnt want to do a trade or he didnt like what he seen then he shouldnt have traded me, also he seen the tractor i del.

bart the reason i deleted the other ad on the chevy was nothing was true about what you said on it. the engine i have now for it would make yours out like dirt anyways

Tom Jones AKA tomsrod is a scammer, false advertisement
 

Lively,

You are absolutely right. I let my guard down and since Lying Tom was so smooth, some of it got past me. I have to tell you this guy is very believeable and good at what he does. He is a true professional scammer.

I only travel in 1's and I should have made a point to go drive the tractor in the middle of the night, wake my neighbors, get soaked in the cold 30 something degree rain and checked it out. The tractors are twins! Just one is an ugly twin that is 2 years older. I might have not noticed the difference under these conditions. But I might. Had I driven it, I would have noticed that the 4 wheel drive unit was jammed in 2 wheel drive and would not come out. I did question the tires showing more wear that the tractor in the picture. Lying Tom assured me the tractor had only been used for mowing grass. Yes I do have a weak point sometime that I believe most people are good and will do the right thing. And I still and always will believe that. Sometimes it cost me but I would rather be a people person than the other type. This one so far has cost me $1055.

Tom proudly posted another ad on here that show's that he is using my picture. He mentioned the ad no. a couple of threads ago. This is not a picture of the car as he owns it now but the picture I used in my ad's. Here he goes again. I told him he does not have my permission to use my picture. He is still misleading, misrepresenting and can't quit scamming.

You are also right about "Bait and Switch"! It is scamming. And Lying Tom is a scammer. Thanks for the input.

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Lively,

Quote:

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Tom

Quote:

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's tractor looked better

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I hate to quote Tom. It cost me $50 every time I do.

ad. 2066300 The tractor Tom advertised as being his but belonged to Abele Tractor and Equipment in Albany Ny.

ad. 2083774 This was truly Tom's tractor and the broken one he delivered to me.

Lying Tom is trying to convince us that his tractor looked better. Pretty slick huh and it is right in front of our eyes. Is he believable of not! You be the judge

Wonder what color he would slay a pink elephant was. I know, I know! It's Massey Ferguson red. Right, right!

what do you mean bart this isnt the same car? you sure? when did you say that i couldnt use this pic also? it is my car now so how am i doing something wrong? its the same pic that you used saying it was a street legal car right? so whats diff about it? please tell me? could it be because it is street legal now? but if you want i can take off the picture if you would ask me to do so.

im done have fun guys. this is stupid. lol

Tom Jones AKA tomsrod is a scammer, false advertisement
 

There you go putting words in my mouth. What color is a pink elephant Lying Tom?

I will come and see you in jail Lying Tom.

I mean "Left handed salute". Aye, aye C A P A T A I N!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"""" I will take the 69 Camaro any day. Want to trade me one to a broken down donkey, tractor? I promise it will be fixed!""""""

no rednova or bart or whatever name u go by at this time.. i dont want to trade with you, because im sure within a couple days you will call me crying.. i dont baby trade..

Tom Jones AKA tomsrod is a scammer, false advertisement
 

racefan55,

Thanks for your interest in my scam. Hopefully I can return the favor someday when I don't have anything else to do. Sounds like you just need to trade with Tom Jones, " tomsrod". He can make whatever you want any way you want it. It's just a matter of words and pictures. He has a nice 66 Chevy 11 for sale or trade right now. I believe the ad he gave on here is 2106648. The picture of the car is mine and it looks great.

The only problem is I didn't give him permission to use my picture. The other problem is The Chevy 2 doesn't run 8 sec. quarter miles anymore as he had previously advertised. It never has or will it ever run a quarter in the 8's on the small tires, slapper bars and stock suspension front and back. It is a beautiful car and i am very proud of my paint on it. Tom also stated in another ad that the paint was 1 1/2 years old. Not so but when I confronted him about the lie he tried to say I said it was a year old. I did not. The ironic thing here is that I would rather have a 10 year old paint job that looks like that than a brand new paint job. It shows my bodywork is excellent and lasting too. Tom is not smart enough to figure this out.

Good luck and happy trading.

Tom Jones AKA tomsrod is a scammer, false advertisement
 

racefan55

I had emailed a response to this person and asked him to bring it forward for the general scammer forum to see and so far he has not done so. The only thing he has done is asked me not to email him. It's ok for him to come on my thread and express his ignorant bs opinions but he don't want to hear a response from me. Go figure!

My first response was in regard to him making statements about my advertising my Chevy 11 as street legal. His opinion was that even though I traded the Chevy 11 as a rolling chassis it would still have to be street legal as I had advertised. Not possible. You can't push a shell of a car, roller down the street and call it street legal. They will arrest you for that. The other thing was that Tom had complained about a couple of minor things on the Chevy 11, holes in the bottom of the firewall. Yes there were where the MSD was mounted. Second problems with the wiring on connection on the headlights and later it became problems with one headlight. This is a 45 year old car and Tom did help some in removing the engine. A 30 minute job took over 2 hrs. beacause of the oil pan on the Chevy 2 would not clear the drag link on the car. It's just the way they are built. I pulled my engine apart and gave Tom the oil pan, oil pump and sending unit that I had paid over $400 for. Yes I gave it to him so his engine instillation would go easier. Tom was real rough with the engine in the small part he played in helping and jammed it several times into the firewall scraping the paint off etc. We could have bumped the headlight wires at this time too. Who knows, its midnight on a dark cold rainy night. I had been working in my garage all day and now half the night because Tom chose to come at night instead of the next day as we had agreed. I could have sent him back and next time a scammer wants to come in the middle of the night, I will.

I conclude that a rolling chassis, shell can never be considered street legal.

My ad and contract was altered when Tom agreed to accept the Chevy 2 not as I had advertised it but as a shell with only the radiator and driveshaft and headers to go with the shell. That was all he requested. The trans. was origionally part of the deal but I payed Tom $200 cash for it and gave him a more streetable converter to replace the one in the car.

The Chevy 11 was in street legal conditon as my ad stated prior to Tom altering my contract ad and and taking a roller, (shell). It would have remained in street legal cond. as I had advertised had I sold or traded the car whole! Tom did try to trade me an old worn out 350 engine to replace the $10000 engine I had in the car. I told him my engine alone was worth more than his tractor and NO.

The second message was that racefan55 messaged me not to email him. My response was and is that he came onto my thread uninvited and expressed his ignorant opinions then basically he would hear from me. I basically told him to stay off If he did not want to hear from me. It is easy for him to sit back and express his bs opinions when I was the one who got scammed and would have to pay the expense to repair the tractor.

By the bay Tom kept rambling that I had the tractor for 2 days before i contated him. Not true. Tom left my house after 1 AM in the morning Sun. and would get home around 6 or 7. I don't work on Sun. but I did start the tractor and thought I could hear a noise in the trans. To be shure I later took the tractor for a little drive on the asphalt in front of my house. The tractor would not go in 4 wheel drive as the lever was jammed in and would not move. Once on the asphalt and in high gear the trans. began to scream like a bad ring and pinion. Driving a tractor on asphalt or concrete is the only way to test them when yous suspect a problem. Driving them in the grass will only cushion and absorb some of the noise when there is a problem. I have owned and operated tractors and equipment most of my adult life. I am retired but still do most of my repair on them and work alone. When it becomes physicall impossible I have to farm it out as i have here. I didn't call Tom on Sun. as I told him, out of courtesy and the fact that I knew that he and his brother in law Johnny wouldn't get home until early Sun. morning and would probably be sleeping most of the day. Tom won't answer his phone most of the time anyway. I also decided I would get a professional opinion on the problem before I called Tom. Mon. morning early I loaded the tractor and took it to a dealer about 30 mile away. Two tractor mechanics tried to get it in 4 wheel drive and couldn't . They road tested it in their parking lot and heard the loud screaming noise. They concluded that it could be a bad ring and pinion and that they would have to pull the tractor apart and that it could be a broken trans. also. They would not know or could they give me a price to fix it until they could break it apart. They did indicate that it would be very expensive as they get $40 each and hour for their labor. It would be 2 weeks before they could even take it in and check it out for repair. I returned home and it was around noon or a little after when I called Tom. I told him I did not call him Sun. because I knew he would be sleeping all day and I wanted to get the tractor checked out by a professional before calling He stated that he did not know anything was wrong with the tractor and that he had told me he did not know much about tractors. I told him I was going to get another opinion and wanted him to cover the repair. He never said no but he never agreed either. I figured he was waiting to hear what the problem was. I didn't mention his scamming or fraudlent ad. I was trying to give him a chance to come clean and cover the repair and i would probably just let the rest go.

Bottom line, it is now 3 weeks later and the tractor is still in the shop being repaired. Their conclusion by the wear on the trans shaft is that the tractor has been broken for some time, operation of the tractor had continued under these broken conditions and that much wear would take a long time as the trans. shafts and gears were incased in oil. and under pressure. Presently the bill is $1055 and not counting any of the expense I concurred towing the tractor what is now around 100 miles and I haven't picked it up yet. They also stated, the bill may be more if they have to pull the trans. completely dissemble the trans. on the bench to replace the damaged and worn shaft.

I had the tractor for a day and a half before contacting Tom., not 2 as he keeps stating. Either way the time is trivial except that i couldn't get the tractor checked out on Sun.

My whole purpose on being on here is just warn others about this scammer. I know now he is not man or trustworthy enough to cover the expense or admit what he did. They never do. I will pay for the repair of the tractor next week and bring it home.

I will let the (IC3) deal with Tom. You guys keep trading and remember that there are agencies who deal with internet scammers and fraud.

Use them.

Thanks, Bart

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Would someone wake me when this is over? :roll: Thank You, and good night.

x2 Mike :roll: :roll:








Mark

1st of all we will forget about everything else on the chevy 11 i dont want to start again. but if your ad on it said it was street legal right you said it right? what happened with the street legal tires, the ones on it said not for street use! regaurdless of anything you say whole car or not it was not street legal and that is what your ad stated. post the ad # yourself bart for everyone to see, i already posted the words from it.
2nd the pic i used was mineyou gave it to me from a email you sent of pics. it was 2 days before you contacted me and anything could have happend.i said no false statements in my ad nor did we trade on the same ad as you say it was the other with the tractor in the snow. and you know this is true so preach it til your blue in the face.
you inspected the tractor before trade you liked it you heard it run and operate, the phone call you made to me on monday was at 4:35 i have my cell phone records.
now we can do this however you want does not matter to me. i took the ad of the 66 of line just so i wouldnt hear you keep whinning. not because im afraid to get in trouble because like i said you sent me the email with the pics therefore they are mine. the dates and times say it all.
also after a little legal advise i have all the proof i need. i never stated my tractor was a 2004 either. read my old ad with you ad number and read it carefully then read your old ad from the chevy 11 is all anyone has to do to see who has commited fraud. so lets just let the courts handel this if thats what you want.

thanks pete. tom

Tom Jones AKA tomsrod is a scammer, false advertisement
 

LYING TOM! I thought you were done.

I have street tires for the Chevy 11. I gave you what you asked for and more. I never said you said your ad listed the tractor as a 2004. It didn't! It just showed that you were selling Able Tractor and Equipmnet's tractor as your own. Or at least until you got someone interested and made the switch. I never emailed or gave you a pic of the Chevy 11 or permission to use it. You copied it from my ad like you did the ad from Abele Tractor and Equipment in Albany NY.

Bait and Switch. It's a crime! I thought I would give you time to think everything over that you had done and come clean but once a weasel always a weasel. SCREAM WEASEL SCREAM!
You are a babbling, whining weasel caught in your own trap. I will be filing the complaint with (IC3) FBI, tomorrow. NUFF SAID!

CATEGORY :: Heavy EquipmentMain Category
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WILL TRADE
LIKE NEW
Ad #2083774 Posted:2010-12-30 23:15:40
This ad expires in 60 days.
$14,000.00



2002 MASSEY FERGUSON 1440 4X4 TRACTOR
40 HP, GLOW PLUG HEATING, 678 HRS,FRONT LOADER, TIRES LIKE NEW - VERY LITTLE WEAR, AIR RIDE SEAT,3 POINT,SHUDDLE SHIFT, 4 SPEED - HI AND LOW RANGE,ALL FLUIDS AND SERVICED ON 6-11-10, THE DEALER SAID BOOK WAS $18,270 AND SOME CHANGE, NEW WITH ALL OPTIONS COST WAS IN THE MID/HIGH $20'S.
I JUST PURCHASED THIS PAST AUG. FROM DAVIS EQUIP IN ASHLAND KY AND HAVE USED IT ALL I NEED IT FOR, WILL TRADE FOR A NICE MUSCLE CAR OR COUPE BUT IT HAS TO BE NICE! THIS IS NOT CHEAP AND IT WILL HOLD A VERY GOOD BOOK FOR A LONG TIME.




Seller Phone Number: 606-465-5719
This item is USED
Trades ACCEPTED: WATCHA GOT?
Item Location: GREENUP, KY Get Directions To This City


This ad expires in 60 days.




Mark

BOY-THAT DO NOT LOOK GOOD-
[TIRES LIKE NEW-VERY LITTLE WEAR]--NAH JUST FALLING APART :oops:

[678 HOURS]--LOW HOURS-BUT--NOTHING WORKS PROPERLY AND BEEN ABUSED HEAVILY :twisted:

OH OH --WE HAVE A PROBLEM????? :evil: :roll:

check date on post above this does not match up to bart story of me posting on jan 1st then taking it off the same day. enough said.
bart if you had street tires why did you not post it on your ad instead of the slicks you had on the car. in your ad it says street legal!
then at the bottom it says drag tires now who was misleading in there ads.
if your going to file with ic3 just to let you know its free and you dont have to wait you can file online anytime, but filing false statements and without proper proof is a crime and you know it. you just get 1 thing wrong and its a lie.
on the other hand the one that i file will have pleanty of proof, witness of what was said, phone records plus our ads and mess from this site.
the day we traded, the post we made, the times we talked and who called who,my home email of you sending me pics from your email with the time i was at your house and time giving you to check and inspect the tractor. you have tried to do this before to other people but this time you will lose. you said it was raining and dark right? we had no problems in your garage where there is pleanty of room to do anything you wanted.
not only will i fill i will fill a suit against you for slander and wrongful judge of character against me and harrassment as well. if you studied law as you say then you know on this forum alone i have proof of that.
you have lied and got caught doi ng so on this site as well. you said i did nothing on helping you pull the engine also but i have a witness and in another statement you said i did help, just quit making shit up im tierd of it! some of what you say is true and alot of the rest is not, so just sit back and let the people judge for themselves who was in the wrong and who is making stuff up and it keeps getting deeper with you doing so.
file your complaint i already have a attourney on the stand by.
by the way the engine i put in the nova is a totally diff engine as i had posted for sale at the time we traded not just some junk engine.

Tom Jones AKA tomsrod is a scammer, false advertisement
 

Scream Lying Tom! Weasel! I advertised the Chevy 11 for a long time in several different categories, drag, prostreet, nostalgia etc. It would fit all those categories. It was just a matter of changing tires etc. That is called "Targeting Your
Market". Any advertising not reaching your market is a waste.

Here are some more threats on me. You should hear them all. I won't put them on but I have a record of each and every one. I don't threaten anyone and yes I do have a problem with scammers and criminals. Keep rambling , stuttering, stammering and rattling idiot.You have probably told over a hundred lies in this forum alone not to mention twisting and mistating everything you could dream up. Attorney's just love stuff like this expecially the dumb ones. The more you respond and lie on here the deeper you get. Nothing and I mean nothing excused the fraud.

BAIT AND SWITCH
You need a criminal attorney that charges $2000 and up an hour not a a little dumb attorney on here scrounging through the forums looking for chicken feed.

Post them up here so everyone can see them :!: :!:








Mark

i'm with mopar,post them on here so we all can see.

Re: Tom Jones AKA tomsrod is a scammer, false advertisement
 

Well not to piss you off any more ,but I was at least smart enough not to trade and told him to hit the road like you should of. Sorry but true. You let him push you and rush you. So now you could get mad at me now. But PLEASE don,t type a book. :wink:

Goomba

Tom Jones AKA tomsrod is a scammer, false advertisement
 

Fellows,

If you look back through his comments you will find some.

It would take hours to hunt them up and transfer them there are so many. Most are in the conversation Tom and I had on RJ emails when he finally responded to me. He never would return phone calls.

I don't worry about his threats. I love it when they try and carry them out. The ones you have to watch are the ones who don't threaten.
om has made this very interesting to me and I am a man of principal and it has now become a principal matter. The money is irrelevant.

He is beginning to sound like my ex wife now with all the slander bs and that's not good. Everytime something didn't go her way or she thought someone had mentioned her name she would threaten slander . I told her she had to be sombody famous and or worth something etc. and maybe she could use the slander card. God I miss her after 35 years. Yep like a bad headache.

This is a scare tactic to get me to not report it. If every honest citizen didn't report crimes because a criminal threatened them with slander etc. we would have a major crime problem.

As I said before Tom tells so many lies I won't quote him. It cost me $50 everytime I do.







Thanks

Tom Jones AKA tomsrod is a scammer, false advertisement
 

tmasitto,
You are right. I am part to blame her because I consider myself an honest trusting person and I did that with Tom. It's just when these scammers cross my path I go after them.

Yep I made some mistakes in this. I'll try and not make it again.

Sometimes the scammer hunters go after the person reporting and not the scammer. I guess this happens when they don't have enough scammers to keep them busy. They have done me that way a couple of times and that's ok. At least a couple of times they have actually helped me by doing that and giving the scammer more and more recognition.

Thanks guys! LOL!

Tom Jones AKA tomsrod is a scammer, false advertisement
 

tmasitto,
You are right. I am part to blame her because I consider myself an honest trusting person and I did that with Tom. It's just when these scammers cross my path I go after them.

Yep I made some mistakes in this. I'll try and not make it again.

Sometimes the scammer hunters go after the person reporting and not the scammer. I guess this happens when they don't have enough scammers to keep them busy. They have done me that way a couple of times and that's ok. At least a couple of times they have actually helped me by doing that and giving the scammer more and more recognition.

Thanks guys! LOL!

Re: Tom Jones AKA tomsrod is a scammer, false advertisement
 

I do feel for you. I get sick to my stomach just thinking what almost happen to me. Good luck to ya. :wink:

Tom Jones AKA tomsrod is a scammer, false advertisement
 

Thanks thamitto,
I never look at things like this as a problem. It is actually an opportunity to expose a scammer. Just a little more excitement, thats all. LOVE IT!
NO FEAR!

Good luck and happy trading!

Tom Jones AKA tomsrod is a scammer, false advertisement
 

SEE AD 2107501. IT'S BEEN RUNNING FOR 2 DAYS. Tom had my first ad deleted and when I ran the second one he had it deleted and my account closed.

I am not quoting him but he did THREATEN me that he would have my account closed. Chris at RJ was a friend of his and he would have me barred from RJ permanently. NO FEAR OF PETTY THREATS ETC. THIS AIN'T MY FIRST RODEO! LOL!

This one has been running for 2 days and he can't do anything about it. Check it out.

Ok..Now I see Tomsrod and Pete67 are one of the same or at least share the same computer...lol :D

bjuice is on it now. Busted. :shock: Hey I know how that feels. :oops: But all is good now. :D

Tom Jones AKA tomsrod is a scammer, false advertisement
 

bjuice,
Thainks, I told you he was slicker than snot!!!!! LOL!

"A LAWYER WHO DEFENDS HIMSELF HAS A FOOL FOR A CLIENT"

wow, this is getting old. shame on Tom for being his own lawyer and rednova your reputation proceeds you so keep crying wolf... :roll:

Pete must be one super attorney. Can't even spell ADVICE? Must have been a mail order bar exam.

slicker than snot :lol: :lol:

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HERE IS OUR CONVERSATION ON RJ PRIOR TO MY SCAMMER POSTING. SORRY FOR BORING YOU. I AM PRACTICALLY DONE WITH THIS POST. I WILL BE FILING THE COMPLAINT WITH (IC3).


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From: tomsrod To: SUPERBARTMAN Date: 2011-01-21 16:53:10
Subject: Re: MASSEY FERGUSON 1440 TRACTOR
Re: Ad #2066300 - MASSEY FERGUSON 1440 TRACTOR

idc what you have to say, i put my big boy pants on when i trade and dont cry. man up bart you knew this wasnt a street legal car, wheres my car you talked about in your ads that you had online forever, wheres my street legal tires, exhaust,lights and my uncut car bart? where? over 5k total to make it what you say in your ad, tell me bart tell me. you have no balls about ya you just try to pray on other people without money so you think, that you think you could scare to pay you extra for nothing. my ads, the words i wrote is all lagit yours is not. you are full of shit about people saying anything because i have been out of trading until me and you did. that was the first one in a yr.i have made more deals in one yr then you have a life time, most of the time with the same people. i have traded 9 cars in a month before and 3 times to the same person. idc what you get your friends to say either, you see bart i have true friends that i deal with alot, not people i look to make bad deals and cry about.nobody cares what you think, they all know me bart. just like rj deleted yr ad about me. who do you think you was to try and do that, your a nobody dude and chris at rj knows it also thats the reason it didnt last. nor will any other. as a matter of fact after your threats i should have you perm removed from this site. i still have all of them on hear. all i have to do is tell chris to do it and he will pull up ur messages to me and remove your ass for doing it. you cant do shit like that over you making a trade that your not happy with. you wait until i fix the car up better than you had it then talk shit and tell me what i owe you. u have to be insane after the money ive spent on the 66 fixing stuff that you said was NOT TRUE to pay you on something you broke. GET OVER IT!!!

On [2011-01-21 16:32:48] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> I won't mention any names but several people have come forward that you have scammed or tried to scam. There will be a whole lot more.
>
> On [2011-01-21 16:11:52] tomsrod wrote:
> > 1966 CHEVY 2 STOCK AFTERMARKET SUSPENSION 2 DOOR POST
> > Street Legal With Title! UNCUT! FACTORY DASH AND SHIFTER! NICE!
> >
> > Everything in this car is new. It has garage time only on it and has not been raced yet. I have owned this car for over 20 years.
> >
> > All original sheet metal in excellent cond. Car has all the original type excellent glass, door panels, factory dash, headliner and new carpet. The switches and wiring are all painless , Ignition is MSD with a 6 Al box. The Tach. is a large 5 in. Mallory with memory and shift lite. Gauges are Summit and in a Summit box. The cage is an 8 point mild steel and car has one race seat and RHS race belts. Interior floor is all steel, nice and carpeted.
> >
> > The hood is a custom built fiberglass race 6 in cowl induction with czus fasteners and front pins.
> >
> >
> > Engine is all forged new HBR Performance 355 cu. with 1/2 epoxy pour, street or strip, 4 bolt main, line bored, deburred, "0" ringed, copper head gaskets,forged steel crank, crank scraper, 4340 forged rods, forged pistons, chrome moly rings, race bearings, hv oil pump, true roller timing chain. Engine was internally balanced and blueprinted. Block has been screened and restricters installed. The cam is a Chet Herbert special grind for this car, 623 lift roller cam and roller lifters, cam button, Edelbrock Victor Tall intake ported and polished, heads are Bowtie 461X ported and polished, 202 stainless valves with chrome moly locks and retainers, roller rockers and stud girdles. Water pump is new and electric, aluminum fabricated valve covers on it now. Radiator is new. New electric fan on the radiator.
> >
> > Fuel system has a fuel cell and is all Holley with braided line to a brand new Holley regulator and 750 Holley race carb.
> >
> > Trans. is a Powerglide Performance race glide, kevlar clutches etc with Coan 4500 converter and hardened race shaft and linelock.
> >
> > Rearend is a 9 inch Ford with 456 gears and all Strange internals and axles. Car sits on tweaked stock type aftermarket suspension and nothing has been cut. Slicks are new Goodyear and Frontrunners are new MT. Crager ProStars are new.
> >
> >
> >
> > This car can be driven on the street, raced or show it.
> >
> > You have to see and hear this car to believe it.
> >
> >
> > this is your old ad bart word for word. i told you i had it. now do you really want to do this buddy?
> > tires alone to make this car street legal would be 1k. the tires on it states not for street use lie # 1
> > uncut all orig lie #2 the cost for replacement on this could be 1 to 2k bart to have fixed.
> > shifter is not orig it is a b&m lie #4
> > i do believe this would be fraud ol buddy.
> > watch how you word things. but i would gladly accept the amount owed to me on my behalf for the things it cost to make them the way you stated, and i would knock off the portion you say i owe from that. would you like to know my mailing address and have copies of the recipts when all complete. my attourney is hoping so, it will make things alot easier if thats what you want. so go look back at your deleted ads and see if this isnt what you stated street legal? bullshit! uncut bullshit! if you test me anymore or bother me i will show you some laws you may want to brush up on from your recent studies 2 yrs ago! im not playing or bullshiting or lying either. now that you may be able to see clearly i'll let it rest.
> >
> >
> >
> > # 3 lie fuel cell and braided lines is not holley
> > On [2011-01-21 14:59:28] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > You are such a liar. A lot of people are coming forward now that you have scammed and or tried to scam. Your ad's are fraud. You will see. Even the ones on the Chevy 11 that you deleted are false and lies. You know what you did and so do I. You can't still be a man about it and do the right thing. You don't know anything about tractors and operation, remember. Even if it was a mistake and lack of knowledge on your part you could have made it right. It is obvious from the damage and wear on the shaft that the damage has been done for some time.
> > >
> > > On [2011-01-21 14:35:45] tomsrod wrote:
> > > > if its bull then try and test me Bart. by the way what you did earlier was against the law man. you cannot slander nor make false accusations towards another person on a personal ad and if you new the law as you stated you should know that one as well. there is a place for that kinda stuff in the forum but it is illegal to do so in your own personal ad. strike # two bart!by the way ive talked with legal counsel today as well and he laughed and said it sounded like regaurdless of pics,posting's or the weather (day/night/rain/shine) that you had ampel time to decide to make a deal or not and you had seen the tractor in your own person and inspected the tractor as well yourself. you contacted me aswell,you wanted the deal worse than me for as many times you had contacted me from phone and rj. point in fact no case towards me on any grounds it was your own neglegance that has brought you here to this point. as i said before be careful of what you say about me and how you do it bart. rj has already removed your ad for inproper posting of a person. this site is for sale / trade items only, there is a forum and people is waiting for your coments there.
> > > >
> > > > ps. the moment i told you as you say that i did not know to much about the tractor why on earth would you not want to look it up down sideways and under? i did not make you rush, i tried to get you to operate it, i made every effort possible for your behalf on this trade bart in trying to get you to do so. i dont understand how you can put your own faults on me if you say it was broke in the first place. its because you know better and that it was working fine at the point of del. there is no mech. that can say forsure when it happened he can just give a friend a personal opion. are you sure you didnt gam the gears youself? i dont know, whatever i guess.
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> > > > On [2011-01-21 14:01:22] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > Same old bull. You know what you did. You committed fraud to dumpa broken down tractor on me. I'm done! Your own ad's say everything.
> > > > >
> > > > > On [2011-01-21 12:31:47] tomsrod wrote:
> > > > > > Bart, i really hate the way this has turned out, truely i do. if all you are worried about is a picture then something is wrong anyway, the very last ad that i posted of the tractor was on dec 30th and you called me and said "i see you still have your tractor and you put it back on line" that same ad even had more pics and looked better than the last ad. i never said anything to you of getting a backhoe with it and i stated everything on or about the tractor as well as i know.i didnt say i couldnt operate the tractor i just said i wasnt that familiar with it. you have to look at all of this threw my eyes. 1st. you kept contacting me about a trade! 2nd. i would not have even loaded the thing up and drove 4 or 5 hrs to your house knowing anything was broke on it, because if it was me i wouldnt trade on something broken unless i wanted it and was aware of it. 3rd. you looked at the tractor up close and personal you liked the tractor, the only thing you asked about was the tires being scuffed up on top the tread, you make excuses saying it was late rainy and cold, that never stopped us from pulling the engine for 3 hrs inside your garage where there was plenty of room to inspect all you wanted. i asked you to run and operate it didnt i and you refused to do so but you did hear it run and seen it being moved without any noise at all coming from it! 4th. if you traded a car and while driving it home it broke down would you be saying you got ripped off also? when i make a deal i look at what im getting when i see it in person because 90% of the time pics do not tell what it is it just gives you an ideal of it. i know your not a simple man and can tell what you are getting when you see it! you would not pay either if you was in my shoes nor would any other human being on this planet, you called me 2 days later and told me it was broke and asked if i would help you out all i said was call me and let me know something but i had time to think about it and i could not do that that long after the fact. i dont know you you dont know me! anything couldve happened and you know it so dont try and play me for a fool. i dont know what youve done or couldve done to the tractor all i know is it was working just fine when i del it and you know it or you wouldnt have traded!dont blame me for your lack of inspection and try to come up with excuses it is just one of those things that happen sometimes, somebody trades and a couple days later it tears up and the person gets upset wanting to put the blame elseware. im not a bad person, nor do i ever try to rip someone off, i have traded with over 200 cars just off rj in the past 3 yrs even trade deals. i have meet alot of people without ever having any complaints, also i prob would have helped you out if i felt i was in the wrong but for some gut reeason i dont feel that way and you have the nerve to text me on rj and demand 1055 cash asap? and try to threaten me and my family? i think i will deal with my gut after that one. i think i will be ok bart, you do what you feel you need to do or say just be careful of how you say it tho and remember i am and still remain a officer of the federal gov. and you are aware of this. just to let you know department of transportaion and forigen trades "Captain". you wouldnt want to slander or threaten my family to bad Bart, and im not trying to scare you either just telling you to watch how you speak of me or my family got it! if you read up on laws and study them you will know what im talking about and i know you know this is true! also i have pleanty of friends on rj to back me up on a deal like this one and you know down deep what is going to happen as soon as you start. so do what you want to deal or feel you have or need to do. thanks for your time and wasting mine. tom
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> > > > > > On [2011-01-21 08:37:19] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > Tom,
> > > > > > > You can talk and lie until you are blue in the face but the fact still remains that the tractor you advertised and the one I thought I was trading to was not yours but belonged to Abele Tractor and Equipment in Albany NY. That is FRAUD. I guess you have NO shame, ethics or morals either. Most crooks don't. Everyone will know what you did and you can't lie out of your own false advertising and fradulent ad's. No one will trade with you anymore. I will pay for the broken tractor repair that you switched on me but everyone will know. Shame!
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> > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 23:31:22] tomsrod wrote:
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> > > > > > > > ok thanks tom.
> > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 22:56:31] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I don't text. More proof that you tried to cover up your fraud. I have every ad you ever ran in my files now. It's your ass and jail, that is all. I really hate to see you put your family through this. They are really nice and deserve better. I liked Johnny too. I knew there was a problem with you though. Things just didn't match up. After tomorrow the money for the repairs will be irrelevent and second nature.
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> > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 22:49:09] tomsrod wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > my last post on tractor was on december 30th, i have proof ad 2083782, it was this ad you contacted me about a trade it on jan 1 about the same ad, we traded that night, and aso texted me on this same number on racing junk, so you stop studering and lien and be a man. thanks tom [2011-01-20 22:25:49] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > When am I going to get that nice tractor in the picture? You know the one you don't own.
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> > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 22:12:26] tomsrod wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Also here is the ad of the last ad i posted on tractor 2083782. Thats when you contacted me.You called me and said i see you got your tractor back online i have the hole conversation recorded on answer machine, so do not threated me my family or anyone i know. Do what you have to do, You waited 2 days anything could have happened and by the way your talking it did, I had a picture a massey ferguson tractor, I stated what I had for sale or trade, everything in my statments were true, there was no fraud commited. thanks tom[2011-01-20 21:49:07
> > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 22:03:42] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dumb ass, THIS IS NOT YOUR TRACTOR. Take another look. I know you wanted it to be that is why you used someone else's tractor in your ad. FRAUD! NOT YOUR TRACTOR. FRAUD! You can't lie out of this.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I was the top of my law clsses in college and I took classes until just a few years ago. Tomorrow it all begins and the money is irrelivant. You asked for it!
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 21:49:07] tomsrod wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no sir, you quit acting like a child.I never commited no fraud, and what your talking about is slander, read up on the laws. i never said no such thing about a guarantee a warranty or money back, im not asking for money back for my loss i suggest you do the same thank you. tom
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 21:29:23] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the last time I am asking you tom, just pay the stupid bill. If not you will start getting contacts tomorrow about the fraud you committed. The bill will be irrelevant at that point and I will see that you pay for what you did. Just do it and quit fabricatin more lying shit. You are running out of lies.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 20:33:48] tomsrod wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You told me paint was about year old, you said that, so so much right for your word and it was not raining at time we unloaded tractor, and you did not give me nothing, i received a car without motor or trany, so you did not give me nothing and everything was as is in deal but you did say car was street legal and all lights worked and they did not and i did not misrepresent nothing, as for tires you looked at them yourselve, you looked at tractor you should said this then not now. thanks tom
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 17:36:03] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In regard to the Chevy 11, the only holes in the lower firewall that I knew about was a couple where the MSD box was mounted. So you had to put a plug or couple of wires on the headlights. That is not a big deal. The brakes were disc brakes on the rear. Yes they were tight from sitting that is all. I restored the car 10 years ago and yes i painted it too. I did all the restoration myself. I think the car is great to be 45 years old and so do you. We both know what happened with the tractor and especially you know it. Not only is it misrepresentation it is fraud to advertise someone else's tractor then deliver a different one. That is what happened here.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need you to help pay for the tractor bill. You need to do the right thing. Let me know. My address is Bart Johnson 1357 Skelton Bluff Rd. Kingsport, Tn.37660
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bart
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 14:34:28] tomsrod wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We never did neg with a warranty or gaurentee on either side, and i never said i would pay a total bill. You used the tractor for 2 days and then called me at end of second day of using it and ask to help you a little and all I said was to call, nothing more. The night I delivered the tractor there was nothing wrong to my knowledge when I delivered to you, I told you to operate it and drive it and you refused there was no whinning or anything noticable at the time, also I would not have delivered it on a 4 hr trip if knowing something was wrong with it, the place i bought tractor from has been in buisness for 50 years and there was nothing wrong then. Put yourself in my shoes for a min. you told me the lights work and they did not, they was not even hooked up also you said the rearend was breaks and was not, there was holes at the bottom of the firewall that had to be fixed also Think of money I have already spent to get these things fix, trust me its been well over 1000.00 . Also, You have not heard me complain or ask for a dime to get these things fixed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 10:52:13] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom,
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It took me a couple of weeks to get the 4 wheel drive unit and trans pulled apart on the tractor.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There were broken bearing parts and gear parts in the bottom of the case and the shaft was worn from operation of the tractor for a long time with a broken bearings and gears floating around. 2 gears were badly damaged on the 4 wheel drive shaft. The shaft and gears are encased in a bath of oil and It takes a long time to wear on the shaft under these conditions. We know it was already done when I got the tractor.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The tractor dealer doing the repair is Eaton and Son Tractors and Repain in Blountville Tn. and the chief mechanic and owner is Melvin Eaton. Feel free to call him at 423-323-4902 if you have any questions. He has been in the tractor business and repair for 32 years.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The current bill is $795 parts and $260 Labor if they don't have to completely remove and dissemble the transmission to get the shaft out. They are not sure what it will take to get the shaft out to replace it. The total current bull is $1055. You said you didn't know that the tractor was broken when you brought it to me. This being the case the right thing to do would be to cover the repair expense of $1055 as I had previously requested when we talked about the problem with the tractor on the phone. It will be ready in a couple of days and I need the money to pick it up.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I left messages on your cell and home phone yesterday when I got the total cost bill. My no. is home 423-246-1998 and cell is 423-742-0422. Call me or email me and I will give you my address again to send the money.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bart

Tom Jones AKA tomsrod is a scammer, false advertisement
 

SORRY BUT YOU NEED TO READ MY COPY OF THE CONVERSATION IN THE PRIOR POST FROM BOTTOM TO TOP FOR IT TO BE IN ORDER.

WE NOW HAVE A TRAVELING LAWYER THAT TRAVELS ON THE RIVER TUG BOAT WITH TOM. HE NEEDS ONE ALL THE TIME.

BJUICE DID A GREAT JOB! RIGHT HANDED SALUTE! YES SIR CAPTAIN!

Tom Jones AKA tomsrod is a scammer, false advertisement
 

Yawn, is it really over? Anyone wanna place any bets what time he makes his next post?

10:00 pm :!: :!:










Mark

Not to disagree with you Mark, but I don't think he can hold out 51 minutes. Tic-Toc :lol:

I think he needed to vent. It sucks when you get ripped off. That is what this form is for. It did help me. I kinda of feel bad for the guy. I would of killed myself if ,I went through with mine. It did feel good to vent at the time.


Buy I will say 12 midnight :D