Scamming
What can RacingJunk.com do if I got scammed?

A: We can supply you with any ad and account info if you are taking legal action against this person. If you can fax over documentation that proves you are taking legal action against this person, i.e. court papers or a letter from an attorney we can disable the account, and provide a legal entity with member/ad/message information that will help you with your pursuit of this person.

What can I do to prevent getting scammed

A: It is very important that our members notify us of any potential scams or scamers right away. In addition to informing us of potential scams, we strongly encourage our members to use an ESCROW account to complete any transactions that you are not making in person. We encourage members to use an escrow service to make sure that your transaction is safely done. An escrow service protects both parties involved in the transaction. Buyers receive and inspect the merchandise before the Seller is paid. Sellers receive their money if the Buyer accepts the merchandise. For more information go to www.escrow.com.

Scamming
What can RacingJunk.com do if I got scammed?

A: We can supply you with any ad and account info if you are taking legal action against this person. If you can fax over documentation that proves you are taking legal action against this person, i.e. court papers or a letter from an attorney we can disable the account, and provide a legal entity with member/ad/message information that will help you with your pursuit of this person.

What can I do to prevent getting scammed

A: It is very important that our members notify us of any potential scams or scamers right away. In addition to informing us of potential scams, we strongly encourage our members to use an ESCROW account to complete any transactions that you are not making in person. We encourage members to use an escrow service to make sure that your transaction is safely done. An escrow service protects both parties involved in the transaction. Buyers receive and inspect the merchandise before the Seller is paid. Sellers receive their money if the Buyer accepts the merchandise. For more information go to www.escrow.com.

today is the last day so mr scammer merry christmas your about to get your very big lump of coal get him bjuice

Brian can ban from the forum but can he boot him off the main site and stop him from selling? just asking.

Why boot him from here untill this is resolved :?: :?: Do that and he might cancel his ad's then how would anyone get in touch with him :?: :?:








JMO Mark

So your saying i hang out on the forum allday long :?: :?: I have a real job i am not on the forum allday thank you very much :!: :!: :!:







JMO Mark

nah i know where mark works heck right now out of the regulars its me who is the bum whos on here all hours of the day and night so if ya wanna rag on some one bring it to me

Just for reference, I been on RJ a few years, and had a few ads listed, did a few trades, and did not know about this forum until about 2-3 months ago, never cam on here. i would say 80-90% of RJ members dont come on here. So us bitching about scammers on here and not taking any action against their accounts really is not doing a darn thing to help the rest of the members.

Ok julian let me ask you something in defense for RJ :!: When a person makes a ad how in the world is RJ to know they are a scammer or is going to scam someone at the time they place the ad :?: How is this possible :?:

You need to do some back reading, there are many a scammers been brought to justice on this forum! They have been ashamed to the point of reimbursement or have brought to the attention of the law with the assistance of forum members like Scorp. There is no way to get them all but this forum does a lot more than "not doing a darn thing to help the rest of the members"

I THINK YOU GUYS ARE MISINTERPERATING WHAT Julian IS SAYING.

I think he just means,do something to stop/prevent KNOWN SCAMMERS from striking again because there are many members that do not read the forum so they do not know that CARL REED is a crook. etc. You know, be PROACTIVE not REACTIVE.

I'm not saying it would be easy,just pointing out my take on his posts.

I got it julian maybe RJ could get everyone that places a ad to fill out a questionaire something like this :!:

Name
Address
Phone number
Item for sale/trade
Are you a scammer yes/no
Has any member of your family scammed anyone yes/no
If the answer to 5 or 6 is yes sorry you can't place this ad go to another site.

Think this might work :?: ANSWER---- NO :!: :!: :!: :!:



OK TOD GIVE US YOUR INPUT HOW WOULD YOU STOP IT :?: YOU SEEM TO HAVE THE ANSWER'S :!: :!:


JMO Mark

X2...And to rj's credit, when us forum members have found adds that smelled like scams rj has taken a closer look at them and have pulled those adds as a result of the work of us forum members. Last year two guys that thought they would get away with scamming here ended up in jail as a result of the work & coaching of forum members. one that comes to mind is MIKE2124 FOR SCREWING THECURTI ON A GO CART.

also remember HARBONE66's great work on the racehoward (racecoward) scam network. that resulted in a crap boat of scam adds being taken down, scammers even sent him a threating letter as a thank you for his great work.

I flag ads on a daily basis, PJ comes over here and reads this forum and has used that to remove known scammers. We all arent just sittin around bitching...

I am not going to get in a pissing match with you over something silly.

I did not say I have an answer to the problem.I did not say you could stop it. In fact,I think It would be difficult/impossible.

I just made a statement of opinion on what I thought Julian was trying to say,because I think you guys may have taken his comments wrong.I did not read his statement as an attack on forum members or that he was saying all we did was bitch.I also did not think he was insinuating that the forum doesn't bring scammers to justice. Maybe I read his post wrong and you are correct. Maybe he was saying all we do is bitch and that the forum doesn't bring justice. MAYBE...but I don't think so.

Ok, Ill explain what I mean once again Since you seem to have an issue comprehending what Im saying.

1) Someone comes on the forum and cries foul and reports a scammer, and pretty much proves his case.

2) report the scammer to RJ and Admins immediately either on here or through the main site.

3) RJ would then remove all of the ads in question and blocks that particular user from posting any more ads until the matter is resolved.This protects anyone else in the meantime from falling victim to the same scammer and his ads.

I really fail to see what is so complicated about this that several of you can not understand? If you can go through the trouble of tracing down a guy from past scams and have his name, and the case is pretty much proven that the guy is a scammer, then certainly you all can comprehend the simple 3 step process I just explained.

Obviously whatever process is being used is not working because I still see several ads in effect for most of the major scammer threads

I am not going to get in a pissing match with you :!: :!: You have allready ran one good one off from here :!: I just want to know what your answer to stopping scammers is :!: That's all :!:





JMO Mark

Ok julian i agree with part of what your saying :!: But what about say the ''littlerod'' clan where they have up to 5 different names :?: They bounce right back again :!: Some in Tenn and some in Miss :!: So now what :?:

And FYI nothing you do will STOP scammers, however once an account is proven to be a scammer, or suspected of such, there could be more dont to prevent them from FUTURE scams by removing their current ads. I honestly dont understand how the guy selling beat motors and proven to be doing such, has been allowed to continue to run ads on here, despite multiple threads on him. As soon as somone suspects him as being the guy from the previous scams, i believe his name was Carl, he should be blackballed. Same thing for the guy with the Kirky seat who obviously is a deadbeat, and yet is still allowed to have several other ads running on the main site. To me, it dont make any sense, but perhaps once again, I am the only one who sees it that way?

Thats a completley different topic all together, but as soon as someone has an issue with a deal on one of their accounts, and reports it, the same process should go into effect.

Example:

Littlerod post up an add selling a Kirky racing seat, and receives the money, but never ships it (exactly like the other thread right now) and is reported to RJ. All of the ads he currently has running under that account, should be immediately yanked, so he can not keep collecting peoples money for the same items he is selling and not shipping.

It really does not matter how many accounts a person has, their IP address can be blocked or banned from posting ads. So once your proven to have scammed once or are under scrutiny, your IP address should be blackballed.

Its very a simple process really and I can not see why anyone would NOT agree with me on this? It honestly doe not make sence to allow someone who took money for a product and did not deliver it to continue to run several other ads. Its not rocket science man.....

Youll never stop the scammers completely, but you could make it very hard for them, cause as of right now Its pretty simple to run a scam on here if you wanted.

I guess you and I are the only 2 on the same page, cause the few other people seem to fail to comprehend what I'm saying and just selectively reading and interpreting what they see fit.

I honestly dont understand why the same 2 or 3 people keep getting their panties in a twist every time I post something and read way further into it than they need to.

I made a suggestion how to prevent a scammer from getting away with multiple scams but hey, what do I know. :roll:

Julian i am sure PJ has thought of just about everything to stop this from happening :!: But you have to see his side of this there are legal issuses involved also :!: It is very difficult to just BLACKBALL someone :!: And i can't blame him for not wanting to put his neck on the chopping block and hope is head doesn't get chopped off :!: It is easy to sit here throwing out suggestions but he own's this site and it is his neck on the block not your's ''Tod's'' or mine or anyone else on here :!: :!:




JMO Mark

I think the forum members do a pretty good job as is.

That's it :!: That's the best you can come up with :?: :?:









JMO Mark

How about this:

You go back to school and learn some reading COMPREHENSION SKILLS you ******** ****.

I never agreed with him on his suggestion that RACING JUNK step in.

I sent you a pm but if you want to pick at me in the open forum so be it.

Edited by Bjuice 12/25/10

What Legal issues could possibly arise from him removing ads posted by people who are breaking the law and robbing people of their money?Please expound? If any legal issues would arise it would be for him NOT removing ads from known scammers, cause I know if I fell victim to someone who was a known scammer on this site for several years and was allowed to continually run ads, I definitely would implicate the Website in any Civil or Criminal proceedings, for negligently not protecting me from the known scammer or taking reasonable appropriate actions to deter it.

Removing the ads would clearly be the responsible and moral thing to do, and no one would agree otherwise.

Clearly your simply grasping at straws at this point, just to disagree with me and tell me my idea would not work, when in fact it is a very good idea and was probably thought of by PJ, but he just dont give a crap cause either way RJ is making money on memberships. So deal at your own risk.

The way I see it, if RJ is making a profit from running an advertisement section on this site, then they have an obligation to step in and take action when someone is using their site to commit grand larceny theft.

However Racing Junk is a privately owned website, and they have their own Terms of Use, which in my opinion, a scammer would be violating by their actions, so there would be no legal ramifications for removing any ads or blackballing any IP address.

Now it is my opinion that if PJ and RJ staff can take the liberty to go through someones photo albums and delete pictures that someone deems offensive, they can surely remove or freeze adds without any back lash from anyone.

But keep trying, I can do this all day.....No one has of yet cam up with a valid argument for NOT removing the known and proven scammers ads and accounts.

Maybe PJ needs to come on here and explain, I am sure there is more to it than any of us could possibly have knowledge of...

If I gave a crap as to what you had to say, my reply might go something like this:

PJ owns the forum and has the right to banish, revoke,remove,or block any members, ads, pictures,posts, ect that he sees fit on his privately owned and operated website.

I like RJ, and have been a member for a while, and have met some cool people on here,but have yet to do any actual business transactions with anyone other than in person trades.

I do feel RJ could step in and take a more proactive as well as reactive role towards members who are taking advantage of other members or committing outright fraud and theft. There is no harm in policing your own website, and Im sure the honest people of RJ would have no issue with it.

Why should we make it easy for the scammers to scam? Its cut and dry, someone advertises something, takes someones money and never delivers a product and it is proven, their ads,account and IP should be deleted and blocked. Its a real simple concept to grasp folks.

If a person can be banned from a forum for telling a moderator to go blow smoke where the sun dont shine, then Im pretty sure outright theft would be a banishable offense on any forum.

wow, my feeling are hurt, well not really, but I am sure if it was that easy it would happen. Like I said, I am sure his knowledge on the subject is far superior than all ours put together. :D

talk about thread highjacking...Stockcar 08 , mayby you need to start another one , this one has been stolen.

Ok a few things Here...1st off Julian u need to chill Out a little and take a breath..... And your Right about One thing Any of your post are only Your Opinions of How things need to be done nothing more nothing Less

tod that name/comment was un-called for..u know I have no issues people going back and Forth but thats Crossing the line with me...I also have understood some of the things Julian has said out of Context...but the problem I have Along with Others with Julian is that he is condesending to members and a basic Smart A$$ by actions and self admission..

So I say again Cool it Julie..you can make your point without being an A$$ 100% of the time.

Now I have never known PJ to allow an add to remain that has been determine to be a fraud or Bonified Scammer...IF Anyone of you guys want to give PJ your Opinion or Legal advise of how he should Operate HIS SITE then contact him and give him an opportunity to properly respond to you...I'm sure he will.

You know what....Your right, it is far more complicated than simply going into your Admin settings and clicking "delete ad", "block user" "Block IP address". Your right...I mean I only owned and operated an online forum and store a few years back, but your right you know better, its far more complicated than simply doing that. :roll:

Talking sense into you and Mopar is like trying to explain Algebra to a chimpanzee. I give up.......You win....

:roll: for some reason I doubt you will ever give up...

At least it wasnt "where's my fishtank".

And you didnt call him a Pr**ck like you did me lol.

Still a Tod.

Still laughing at you and have been for a while.

Hope Santa replaced the wheels on all your vehicles with Centerlines.

lol lol

You are right Brian. I apologize for calling Mark that name. He has been one that I considered my friend on here. This is all silly. I think it goes back to my deal with Scorp.If I could fix that one I would.I stand by my position on that one too,however,I shouldn't have stooped to name calling there either. This is a great forum and a great bunch of guys and I hate to see it turn sour over something I did.

Oh, so now the site admin is going to resort to name calling on a 5th grade level? Your calling me Julie? Thats supposed to be funny right?And I have to sit back and let you cause your a tough guy admin right?

Hahahaha you guys are too funny on here. Its like one big click of good ol' boys, and if you disagree they name call and harass you, and even the Admins join in..

Thank you sir, for making fun of my name, very mature and very professional of you.

Merry Christmas Scorp.

thats it, just keep going... :lol: