I got the beer if anybody wants any.

i honestly have never seen a bigger cry baby in my life!! most people dont want to get involved?? are you kidding?? thats because your making these people up!! the guy texted ray? LOL!! i dont even think ray knows what a text is.. RAY NEVER ASKED ME TO COME TO HIS RESCUE! ONCE AGAIN I MET RAY ON HERE!! HE IS A DAMN GOOD GUY, AND THIS BS THAT YOU KEEP POSTING ABOUT HIM IS A SHAME..
SERIOUSLY MAN, LISTEN TO YOURSELF! YOU TRADED FOR THIS CAR 5 MONTHS AGO, AND NOW YOUR COMPLAINING!!!!! WOW!!!!
i bought my wife a new yukon 4 months ago.. my buddy said i got screwed and paid too much, im going to take it back tommorrow and see if the dealer will give me my money back.. u think they will??

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Ok first of all i want everyone to understand i am netural, i don't know either party, I just talked with Scott on the phone, he has tried to post pics of this vette in question, He stated his wife had surgery right before trading for this car, on the way down she got sick, when he arrived, he was on the phone with her Dr, someone unloaded the 67 chevelle, and loaded the vette, he did put one strap on the car before leaving, after getting home, some vette owners came over to look at the car, it has a 65 front end, not a 64, it has a raditor cap a 64 doesn't, it has a over flow tank, the front bumper is bolted to the fiberglass front end,instead of frame,not metal front end, alt is on the wrong side, wrong engine in car, has had frame patched, raditor support not bolted in, he is going to send pics to my e-mail if anyone want's them just pm me your e-mail address, he has tried to post them but doesn't know how. He is upset, not cursing just upset because [ he say's ] the car isn't what it was described to be. he was very nice to me other than being upset!!PLEASE DON'T KILL THE MESSENGER :!: :!: :!:


''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

mopar1968 thanks for taking the time and being "Neutral" and helping figure out what i was doing wrong with this post. Most of the others here have been fast to say(racefan55) that maybe I'm friends with the shop owner!
get real, if i had a friend that was a specialist in vettes dont you think i would have used his knowledge and never bought the car? You fast to point out my faults but no once questions Ray!!! Sounds like your quick to judge and just protect the good ole boy from NC. Again, thanks Mopar1968 for talking to me and actually the first to keep a neutral position about this.
I will send pics tonight to him so he can see what is up with the car.

Honestly you cant complain when you went in person to pick-up the car. That your wife was sick, is unfortunate, that you chose not to look at the car is unfortunate as well. But,

You had the CHOICE to not make the deal and you did- that anything is wrong is no longer the seller's fault. If you took him to court you would win nothing because you inspected the car, or chose not to.

The seller has no obligation to you nor does he have any obligation to anyone you choose to sell the car to.

His involvement ended when you came in person, inspected the car and agreed to make a trade. If I were him I wouldnt be talking to your buyers either - I doubt he gave you a "lifetime'warranty" on the car. Why does he need to speak to your buyers on a car that he sold and no longer owned and that you inspected? representation of that car is on you as the owner-not the previous owner.

BTW- on a mid-year vette difference in the front between 64 and 65 are the side panels (65 and 66 are same), hood one year only with script on hood and no scallops (63 and 64 are same except for chrome inserts) and the grill which is one year only.

Should you elect to change the incorrect stuff- use sermersheims for the correct coded press-molded fiberglass and corvette central for the grill.

But in the end badstage1, you need to let go of the anger towards the seller- if you want to be angry-be angry at yourself for making the deal.

Scorp

badstage1-

here is the link from your racespace with the black vette-

http://www.racingjunk.com/gallery/profile/239371/186595

In your email to mopar you said the front end is wrong- I restored a BB 1965 Vette- So you understand- The hood surround is same in 63-67, the lower marker panels are as well, same for the wheel opening lips- the only difference is the side panels ahead of the doors- 63 and 64 are same and horizontal "vents", 65 and 66 are same and vertical vents, 67 is small vent and stand alone.

The front end vents on your car fully appear to be vertical and would denote 1965 vette. So based on your posted pics, thats a 65 front end and contrary to your quoted statement above.

As I noted in my earlier post 65 grill is stand alone as is hood.

Technically the front end on that car looks correct 65- A 65 hood can run close to $450 used and the 65 grill can approach $400 repop as well, as it is not cast but aluminum with a black center.

Like I said I restored a frame off 65 BB 396 car nut and bolt numbers match, and dealt with every vette guy on the east coast and know these cars well- that front end does not look incorrect based on your pics.

Scorp

=== His involvement ended when you came in person, inspected the car and agreed to make a trade. If I were him I wouldnt be talking to your buyers either - I doubt he gave you a "lifetime'warranty" on the car. Why does he need to speak to your buyers on a car that he sold and no longer owned and that you inspected? representation of that car is on you as the owner-not the previous owner.

=== But in the end badstage1, you need to let go of the anger towards the seller- if you want to be angry-be angry at yourself for making the deal.


this post says it all!! i agree 100 percent!!

as far as badstage, you really dont need to be trading on this site! grown men dont cry about trades, you just move on! you obviously dont trade very much! if you did you would know that you dont listen to what everyone else thinks as far as "how your trade went" i never said you were friends with the shop owner, i only pointed out that you cant listen to what others think of your trade, your a grown man, you made the trade, you went and inspected the car and you took it home!!

ONE MORE THING THAT YOUR NOT TELLING PEOPLE, IF YOUR WIFE WAS THAT SICK, WHY DID YOU STOP AT LAKESIDE CLASSICS IN LAKE NORMAN NC AFTER YOU LEFT RAYS HOUSE AND TRY TO WORK A TRADE ON THE VETTE WITH THEM??

come on dude, seriously this is enough, your making yourself look really bad!! and if you dont want the vette, i got a very sweet 48 anglia that has a shit load of stuff done to it, its bad as hell, ill give it and something esle for the vette..

Well said racefan & Scorp.

This is at the top of the list for complete sillyness. Lets see.... I will try to put myself in badstage's shoes.

I am mad that I made a trade that I agreed to for one of the most desirable American classic's the world has to offer.... in good working condition. Next, I am going to COMPLAIN about it to whoever will listen. I admit that I agreed to do the trade at the time, but want to reverse it after 5 MONTHS. When people say that I am not being rational, I will create new threads in the same place & re-address the same problem in hopes that I will get a different reaction. Finnally, when everyone says it is a great car & the trade seemed fair (if not great) I will continue to WHINE.

Is that about right???? Badstage: I am starting to think you have a HIDDEN AGENDA. This is SILLY. What is your REAL CONCERN HERE??? Quit peeking at the thread as if you were some innocent bystander who got robbed & man up with what is really going on or go CRY to someone else.

I can think of MANY people who would love to have a car like that (Including myself). I am finding it hard to feel sorry for you.... especially when we are in this economy & some people can't even afford to keep food on thier table & you are WHINING about your 65 VETTE???? WTH???

http://s492.photobucket.com/albums/r...ge1/nightmare/
link to photobucket for pics. look for yourself, ray said it was restored. Is that false advertising???? No hidden agenda, just want persons not to take rays word at face value.

badstage1-

looked at your pics- Frame is a definite cobjob. There are certainly things wrong- However it is a midyear vette. If you switched the frame out on that car much of what is bothering you would be fixed- a frame on any 63-78 vette will work although the 68-78 will require some slight modifying of the body mounts.

Invest the money in a frame- I would think you would find a roller for less than $3000 if you look hard. Restore the frame and swap the body, and then deal with the other stuff- you can get all parts.

If you are into the car for around $25-$30K, you could still put another $10k in that car make it nice and get out of it.

You can make it right to yourself with some effort-and you will be able to sleep at night.

But what you must stop doing is bashing the seller- you looked at it, made the deal, and then waited an extended period to complain. Game over in that respect. Let it go stop and blaming the seller.

You have a project ahead of you, but I would make it fun, get that car squared away and then either enjoy it or sell it- Like I said I restored a basket case midyear and you can get every part and everything fits right. Corvette guys are a pain- the repop stuff has to or they will whine till the end of time.

Corvette Carlisle is at the end of August in PA- a Great show and a good time to start your project.

Scorp

Badstage-

The pictures indicate some faulty work in my opinion (such as a ground strap connected to the header bolt). It has certainly seen the road too. If this were my car, I would go through the front end after pulling the motor & trans & then go through them too. I will give you this: That car demands a condition of quality/restoration that I am not seeing in the pictures. A real Corvette enthusist wanting that year/optioned Vette may want to do a frame off resto to make it max value/condition. At the same time, some would want to make it reliable, & fun to drive while looking great on the outside.... not necessarily doing a frame off. At any rate, you buy the bed you sleep in. JMO/Scooter

one more thing you said badstage
someone unloaded the 67 chevelle (did they really?) badstage, you know what im talking about, get your shit straight before you keep on going, otherwise im going to call you out!! u know as well as i do, did they really unload that car at rays?
best thing for you to do is quit crying!

WELL HERS WHAT I ASK HIM ON THIS DATE On [2009-08-02 16:26:27] masamiba wrote:
> ITS TAKEN YOU LONG TIME TO COME UP WITH THESE NAMES

AND THEN HE REPLED THIS

I've got a life dude, get one yourself. take rays dick out of your mouth also.

AND MY 6 YEAR OLD DOUGHTER OPEN THIS EMAIL SHE DID NOT NEED TO SEE THIS KIND OF STUFF I WAS NOT GOIMG TO SAY ANTMORE ABOUT THIS DEAL BUT THIS IS NOT RIGHT I DID GET ANOTHER ONE AND THIS IS WHAT HE SAID



why, all you did is bash me on the forum. If you honestly was going to see what is true then i would give them but you and i both know you wouldnt like the truth about ray.

On [2009-08-02 16:19:05] masamiba wrote:
> I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THOSE NAMES


BUT THE TRUTH MUST HURT FOR HIM TO EMAIL ME THIS AND HERE IS ONE MORE




You need to learn some grammar and how to spell, your ad makes you look like a redneck....whoops i just saw your from WV. :-)

BUT WHAT I THINK HE MUST HAVE LEFT THIS VETT SET ON THE TRAILER FOR 5 MONTHS THEN HAD IT CK OUT AND ALSO HIM AND HIS BOY ?? THAT IS ? IF IT WAS HIS BOY THERE LOADED THE VETT AND TIE IT DOWN AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN A HELPER DONT KNOW I WAS NOT THERE BUT HE SHOULD HAVE SEEN ANY PROBLEMS WITH IT THEN BUT BOTTOM LINE IS A TRADE IS A TRADE HE MADE IT HE HAD THE LAST WORD HE DROVE 10 HOURS TO GET THERE SO YOU ALL KNOW WHEN YOU DRIVE THAT FAR YOU STAND UP AND LOOK AT THE RIDE YOU ARE TRADING FOR AWILE LONGER THEN IF IT WAS CLOSER TO HOME AND YES ME AND RAY HAVE HAD DEALS BEFORE BUT HES A GREAT GUY AND THATS THE BOTTOM LINE SO 5 MONTHS LATER WANT YOUR TRUCK BACK SHIT WHEN YOU PULLED OUT OF HIS DRIVE YOU MADE THE TRADE AND AS FAR AS ME BING A REDNECK WELL THATS IS WHAT YOU THINK I KNOW THE TRUTH HAVE A NICE LIFE AND RAY WE WILL TRADE ON SOMETHING DOWN THE ROAD HELL IF YOU STILL GOT THAT TRUCK I WILL BUY THAT OFF OF YOU IF NOT MAY GOD BLESS YOU ALL AND ALL BE SAFE AND WHATCH WHO YOU TRADE WITH . :D :D :D :D :) :) :) :( :( :o :o :? :? 8) 8) :lol: :lol: :x :x :P :P :cry: :cry: :oops: :oops: :roll: :roll: :roll:

this is for racefan55...you sure do know it all, go ahead call me out.
P.S. SUCK IT


racefan55...go ahead and just admit you and ray are sleeping together and sure your 6 yr old open your email...what a bullshitter
P.S. SUCK IT

WELL READ THE AD ITS NOT RACEFANS AND MY DOUGHER DID OPEN THE EMAIL YOU SAID IT

AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS COUSE WE ALL WOULD LIKE TO KNOW TO

67 chevelle (did they really?) badstage



DIDNT COPY ALL OF IT SO LET US ALL KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT

badstage said he took ray the 67 chevelle and someone unloaded it at rays.. that didnt happen, the 67 chevelle never went to rays, that was a 3 way deal between raymond/badstage/and another guy on here from michigan that is a good dude.. i was just pointing out how he knows he is lying..

Hmmmmmm well now :!: :!: :shock: :shock: This sure isn't what i was told on the phone last night :!: :!: Look's like someone sure is :oops: :oops: :oops:


''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

And what were you told on the phone lastnight?? Your fans want to know.LOL

I posted it last night, please read above. Page 3 next to bottom.



''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

ray and i are sleeping together? are you serious?? how old are you?? i tell you one thing, you keep talking all that shit and ill make a trip to your house, im not playing, i have no problem saying what i need to say to another mans face.. this talk over the internet is cheap! who says "suck it" lol.. are you 16???
as far as being from wv, and being a redneck, lol.. wow.. i might be a redneck but i have a bachelors degree and have owned my own business for 7 years, PLUS I DONT DRIVE AN OLD FORD TRUCK THATS WORTH 800 DOLLARS.. (cant believe your calling someone a redneck, and you drive an old rusted up ford truck)
masamiba and i are two different people, his name is mark and he is from morgantown, my name is brian and im from charleston.. we both have dealt with raymond numerous times and both know how good of a person he is.. raymonds wife is not in good health and he dont need all this bullsh** on him.. your made up stories and cry baby whining has gotten real old!!

REDNECK AND LIER
 

OK THAT CLEARS IT ALL UP HE LIES. ABOUT STUFF HE SAYS .THIS ALL MAKES SENTS NOW WELL IM DONE WITH ALL HIS LIES YOU KNOW IF LIVING IN WV MAKES ME A ((REDNECK ))ILL TAKE THAT I CAN LAY DOWN AND SLEEP WITH BEING A REDNECK BUT TO LAY DOWN AND SLEEP AS A ((LIER)) MAN JUST COULDNT SLEEP LIKE THAT IM DONE HERE WE ALL KNOW RAYS A STRAIT UP GUY NOW :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Just got this from ''badstage1''


with all the B.S. going on with car i did mix up cars, it wasnt the chevelle that went down to rays it was poboys 34 ford 3 window coupe and not the chevelle.


''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

LOL... I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT TO SAY!! WOW!! THIS GUY IS SOMETHING ELSE!!

I do he is a lier, he called me long distance at 12 midnight, to tell me a bunch of lies, and when he get's caught then he try's to wiggle out by sending me a message, that he got car's mixed up, BULLSHIT, how can you get car's mixed up, WELL ''BADSTAGE1'' I THINK YOU CAN STOP YOU HAVE SHOWN EVERYONE YOUR TRUE COLOR'S, AS I SAID LONG BEFORE YOU TRADED AND THAT IS IT, A TRADE PERIOD :!: :!: :!:


''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

more popcorn please and hurry, before this one fizzles away!

THE BEER WENT FLAT AND THE POPCORN IS STALE ON THIS ONE :?

Let's unplug this one and let it die.

Dave

Wet Pants
 

This is really stupid. IF YOU GO LOOK AT A TRADE AND ACTUALLY TRADE, THERE IS NOBODY TO BLAME BUT YOURSELF, PERIOD!!
Here is how it probably went down:

WOW! A early Vette..... Woody

I can trade for it!!!..... Wet front

LETS DO IT..........

Eat your own mistakes. All those pics were right in front of you first hand to look at no camera needed. You should have gotten your Vette lessons BEFORE you traded. There is a bright side... The stuff you traded will go down in value while your Vette will continue to rise.

I did some trading when I was a teen, can I get my sh!!&%t back???

Re: Wet Pants
 

[quote="blownalky3"]This is really stupid. IF YOU GO LOOK AT A TRADE AND ACTUALLY TRADE, THERE IS NOBODY TO BLAME BUT YOURSELF, PERIOD!!
Here is how it probably went down:

WOW! A early Vette..... Woody

I can trade for it!!!..... Wet front

LETS DO IT..........

Eat your own mistakes. All those pics were right in front of you first hand to look at no camera needed. You should have gotten your Vette lessons BEFORE you traded. There is a bright side... The stuff you traded will go down in value while your Vette will continue to rise.

I did some trading when I was a teen, can I get my sh!!&%t back???

LOL!!!/ROFL/BUSTED A GUT/ LMAO/ "DAT CHIT WUZ FUNNY"

Well Mr. "Backtradz".... your ship is sinking & your approval rating just went down to Obama's level. Quit while you are ahead.