3 grand for that turd!! :shock:

I REALLY BELEIVE THAT THERE IS A CROOK IN THE DEAL HERE-- NOT SAYING WHICH ONE OR TAKING SIDES-BUT--IF THAT IS A GOOD ENGINE THEN I WOULD HATE TO SEE ONE OF HIS BAD ENGINES!!!!!!!!!!
YOU MUST BE VERY STUBBORN TO THINK THAT IT IS OK TO CHEAT OR STEAL THEN COME ON HERE SCREAMING ABOUT YOUR REFERENCES AND HONEST DEALINGS AND SO ON :oops: :oops:
SOMETHING STINKS FOR SURE :cry: :cry:
YOU SENT HIM JUNK AND SHOULD PAY UP NOW BEFORE IT GOES TO COURT AND THEY PUT JUDGEMENT AGAINST YOU[INTERSTATE FRAUD IS A FEDERAL OFFENCE!!!!!]
BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS DEAL WHY DID YOU TRADE A BLOWER FOR A MOTOR[ MUST BE A VEEEEEEERY EXPENSIVE BLOWER OR YOU FELT YOU WERE GETTING ONE HECK OF A DEAL :roll: :roll: :roll:

YOU BOTH NEED TO STOP GRIPING HERE AND PUT YOU MONEY WHERE YOU BOTH FEEL IT NEEDS TO BE --IN COURT!!!!! :shock: :shock:

LIVELY

carbs
 

if carbs are not included then what difference does it make if junk ones were sent or not ? they were FREE,,,beside , why would anybody put carbs on a blower in the first place????????what a waste!!!!!!!!

I have tried to make it right, I offered you another motor you turned it down.

If you buy a car from a dealer and the say it's a 1.8 L then you turn around and sell it as a 1.8 L simply because thats what you where told (same senario). I have said before the motor you recieved is not junk. We can go around and around. If you cover shipping then I can send you another motor.

About the carbs the agreement over the phone was to include the carbs.(SHOWN IN THE PICTURES)!
The cracked intake.. I contacted the guy I sold it to and he has welded them up. (He said he will send pics of the welds).
The Oil leak ( I know nothing about blowers I was told by the guy who bought it the seals were bad) Hence timeframe

This was a trade there was no fraud or scam involved on my part.

YOU KNEW PRIOR TO THE TRADE THAT THE MOTOR IN THE PICTURE WAS REFERENCE ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!

As far as not notifiying you / Boonesracing about the blower. Once again I don't know anything about blowers and had no clue that it was junk until someone showed me what what was wrong with it.

You want to go to court that's fine. Let's go I will contact an attorney also.

I will contact UPS and start the Mail fraud process if it is applicable on a trade...

As far as being obligated to provide the parts stated. Thats what I was sold and I have the receipt showing it. I do not know much about building or the internal parts of a motor so If I can't tell the difference in parts how do I know and How can I be obligated to provide parts that I cant tell the difference on. If you sale a car you bought and it's listed as a 400 because that's what you where told but the buyer finds that it's a 350 and you didn't know how to check it are you obligated to send out a 400 even though that's whats on the Bill of sale that you recieved?

As far as reporting I lost money on the deal. My purchase for the motor $2800,(sorry) sale of junk blower $750. don't think I wont give that to my accountant.

Ok here it is ups packed the blower because it was heavy of course!if it was leaking oil they would have told us at that time. I was NEVER TOLD THAT THE MOTOR LISTED WAS NOT WHAT WE WERE GETTING! yes i did print all of the emails and his first ad and the one he deleted I do have a paper trail! And as for the 303 cod That was my mistake i put it in the wrong box we paid it up front so we could get the piece of chit motor from the freight company, Because I called him & ask him to send an email and he never did I called him at 9.00 am & asked him to do this for me and he sent it at 5.58 pm that nightthey closed st 6.00pm he did forward an email to me that night and i have a copy of that email also.the shipping company said that they would send a check here at my address for the 303 but... It may be in his name so I told him he could send the the 303 & I would send him the check! No scam on my part just wanted to be fair! I have two other people that seen this motor on the pallet the day we picked it up there is no way we poured anything in it. he says he knows nothing about motors & I can tell that!!!!!! anyone that knows even a little bit about them knows that it should not look like that! hell my wife & little kid even knows that much. what a lame excuse!!!!! and folks this was my ad 1279168..........if clearly says CARBS NOT INCLUDED ....thank you also I will follow through with legal action this is too much money not to. The war is on & I am not backing down. Ready for a fight!!!!!!!! Please everyone be careful

You paid that for it WOW You really are an idiot!!!!!!!

$8200 ? FOR WHAT?thats what you gave for that piece of shit you call a good motor? that you traded for a blower... As I see it he has pictures of the junk motor you sent him and your ad of the motor he was suppost to get..Looks like you got a motor from the yard and rattle can painted it as it sat! It's gonna cost you more in the long run,so might as well give him his $3000 and call it a day. You sold his property,KNOWING there was nothing wrong with it! If I get something and it ain't right I call IMMEDIATELY and it will be made right,AS far as it goes you dont have a leg to stand on You have no proof that the blower was bad or anything wrong with the intake,WHERE"S YOUR PICTURES! He has posted pics of the bad motor and your ad.. He will win any suit against you with the proof he has and you have nothing!Because there was nothing wrong on your part.... :shock:

He must have misplaced his decimal point. $82.00 sounds fair.....

JMO....

Josh ( totrade)..i read your engine ad over and over again..No-where did i see you say the picture wasn't the acutal egine you were selling. If it had i would have given you that.

Now i have been around on this site since 2003..and i have seen classified ads with pictures that clearly state "sample Picture"...yours doesn't even come close.

Boonesracing i would print the ad "No doubt"...this was very Misleading and i think the man will have problems just defending his ad if you pushed this issue...IMO

Make it right Josh..forget a minute about lawyers,court and all the Bull crap and concentrate on doing WHATS RIGHT !!

On very small scale this is one Good example of why we ( USA) is in the shape we are today..too many people hollering everything under the sun besides stepping up and doing the right thing.

http://www.racingjunk.com/post/12804...s-Trades-.html


i was offfended when i pulled up your ad..this is shameful in my opinion.

MAKE IT RIGHT JOSH.


maybe this has done been mentioned somewhwere in the begining of all these post..but here goes anyway..i got to looking at Josh other ads and the 383 small block in the pro-touring 69 camaro sure looks like the same engine used in the picture of the Bum engine ad. ????

http://www.racingjunk.com/post/13308...o-Trades-.html

again maybe this was already noticed ?

Brian

well mr.totrade NOOO where in you add does it sayPICS ARE FOR REFERENCE ONLY!! AND if its not in print.AND its not in writing. it didnt happen..also know as heresay..soooo sucker you will loose in court and look like an azzzzz. so make it rite, and payup..and his add clearly says NO CARDS.and then he went ahead and gave you some.why in the HELL are you crying..PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE WHAT MAKES LONG DISTANCE DEALS A SCAMMERS MARKET...

Brian.

I had said I will make it right. I will send them another engine. They can keep that one to and just pay the shipping on another one. I think that is fare.
Either A 355SBC, A 383 SBC or a 350 Vortec. all longblocks.

I can see If I can give the guy who bought the blower his money back + some for the repairs and I can send the blower back if he will do that

Either way But I will NOT pay for the shipping (I am already getting screwed!!) I don't think its very fair and man do I wish they would admit their wrong doings and tell the truth about the picture.

As far as the Picture. We had many phone conversations also and prior to them sending out the blower They were made aware that the picture was only for reference..

Poeple like me Look If phone conversations could be posted you would understand the deal we made.
He was to send out the carbs also.

Thanks for your input though..
You should read everything

Great post Brian and all I can say hes dammmm lucky he did'nt send that junk azzz motor to me :twisted: Josh be a man and do the right thing

Actually the motor that is in that car was one I purchased from Ad #1205498. Look at the intake Ect.
Proform Valve covers are cheap hell I can send the boones a set of those to...

I have tried numerous times to make this right..

Thanks Though

http://i37.tinypic.com/10wittc.jpg

those aren't H-BEAM rods either...

Hey you need to make this trade right, you had his blower and sold it with a engine, pocket money and send him a junk engine, I have better looking engines that i use parts from.

Pictures would be great but how bout a name and a phone number of the guy who bought the blower.

What type of blower was this that it only brought 750.00 on resell.

I smell tuna.

I've got a question.

Why should he have to pay shipping when the engine you shipped was junk? He already payed to ship it once.

Look at the crank.... it has rust on it. Rust takes time to develop, so I would say that your story of "him pouring something over it" is bs.

You are a rip off and the guy was smart enough to catch you. There is not a judge in any court who will side with " I didn't know it was junk that's how I bought it"... You are still responsible for the sale. It is your responsibility to go after the guy who sold you the junk engine. If that is truly what happened :roll:

I agree with tafc550. If I was the dude that was caught up in a lie like this guy is, I would do everythig i could to get my piece of crap engine back and get him his blower or money back to him to avoid a law suite and possibly jail time

Josh,
Read this and think about it.

I did not build this motor although I did run it in my Nova for around 1000 miles or so. I have removed the oil pan and valve covers for inspection. It ran just fine when I pulled it out, installing a big block in the Nova. I will list what I was told is in the motor, like I said I DID NOT build the motor.
I do know:
Block:
3970010 Cast date K 4 9, 2-bolt. Likely has been decked, the stamp pad is machined clean.
Crankshaft:
3932442 Cast Date:A-6-9. I have no idea of the size of the main or rod journals.
Heads:
854434 305 1.75 int. 1.3 exhaust. 1.6 ratio roller rockers.
Rods:
Stock (could be pink rods, not sure though).
Cam:
Supposedly .525 lift Comp Cam, sounds to me as if that is the truth. Motor has a nasty sound for the street.

That is it folks, all I know about the motor. Feel free to ask questions if you have them, will answer if I can. Might trade for a really nice set of Torque Thrust 15" wheels with a 4-3/4" bolt pattern. NO UNILUGS!!

This is a current ad posted by me on Craigslist in Charlotte, NC.

Josh,
This is how an ad should read if you do not know the history or facts of what you are selling. I can't imagine selling ANYTHING that I personally do not know the facts of WITHOUT relaying that to the buyer. You have represented yourself as KNOWING what is in this motor according to your ad. By your emails, you say "That is what he told me"! I do not know if you are a crook or not, but it ain't lookin' good for you dude.

BTW, where are your pictures? Where is the dyno sheet for the advertised hp and torque?

The only way to make it good is give Boone his MONEY back, not another motor, as I have to assume he has lost all faith in your integrity.

Last thing, shut up about the FREE junk carbs he sent you. NOT INCLUDED is what the ad said. I do not know how that even fits into your gripe. :roll:

Always remember, the things you do reflect on your family as well!

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...s/dropkick.jpg

Absolutely 100% wrong. You didnt broker the motor(s) did you? Did your add say that you had no idea if the parts referenced were included or did you assert that it was as stated? Did you disclaim in the ad? Thats easy enough for Boones racing to confirm as he has the ad. You deleted it.

You are fully on the hook for everything you listed in the ad and the old "this is what the prior seller told me" line doesn't hold water and wont in court-trust me on that. Essentially, you will have to make good on your stated item to Boonesracing and THEN go back and litigate against the individual who sold and misrepresented the motor to you.

Tell the judge that you didnt know what was in side that motor while Boones has a notarized statement from his machinist comparing your ad to the actual parts removed. You'll be done just about at that point-and the remainder will be discussion of damages.

BTW-sending Boones another motor wont matter if it does not contain the parts that are listed in the ad.

If it ends up in court you are going to be on the hook for the parts and probably his legal fees.

The smart thing would be to take your proceeds from the sale of that 68 Camaro and settle with him immediately.

As for the Accountant Josh, you rolled the blower into the sale of the Camaro-While it will increase your cost basis in the Camaro-you'd better get every cent of profit right or they will come calling- Boones is going to drop a line to the Service on that-

And BTW if Boones knows who you sold it to and the price he can notify the DMV to make sure that buyer declared it correctly for sales tax purposes. It goes on and on and always rolls down hill. Hope it wasnt sold with an open title, or thatd be another legal headache....

Boones-fyi ToTrade deals in first gen Camaros- if you cant settle this you need to go to the Camaros sites- Team Camaro www.Camaros.net , the Camaros Research Group www.camaros.org. Make sure that you locate the other places he trades and make them aware of what he did and the pics. Camaro guys are on those sites all the time.

Boones, There is also a local MD camaro guy (nationally known) that I am familiar with, have bought parts from and see at Carlisle PA swap meets all the time, and who lives about 10 miles away- [JOSH think Camaro parts ID and intake re-skinning]-Let me know if you want me to give him a ring and do some checking on ToTrade.

Later,

Scorp

It would not matter if the ad did say pic was a reference...the ad says

"4 Bolt Main Block (Two Piece Rear Seal), Eagle 4340 Forged Steel Stroker Crankshaft Assembled With H-Series Clevite Rod And Main Bearings Eagle H-Beam Bushed Connecting Rods W/ARP Rod Bolts (Good For Over 700HP) High Performance SRP Forged Pistons 11.0:1 Compression, Hand Filed Performance Rings, Three Piece Billet Double Roller Timing Set, Crane Performance Roller Camshaft, Crane hydraulic Roller Lifters, Performance Heads 64cc With 230cc Intake Runners, Stainless Steel 2.08 Intake Valves, Stainless Steel 1.60 Exhaust Valves, High Performance Valve Springs And Retainers, 7/16 Screw In Studs And Hardened Guide Plates,Manley Chrome Moly Push Rods, 7/16 - 1.6 Aluminum Roller Rockers, Engine Assembled With All Brand New Bolts, High Volume Oil Pump And Screen, Chrome Oil Pan, Chrome Dip Stick And Tube, Polished Aluminum Timing Cover Professional Products SFI Approved performance balancer, Fel-Pro Performance Gaskets, The Complete Rotating Assembly is Balanced Edelbrock Victor Jr. Intake Manifold Chrome Thermostat Housing, Holley street avenger carb. MSD 8.8 Wires, AC delco plugs, Mini starter 2.5 hp, Crank is ballanced w/ 5oz moly. "

a lot of those parts are clearly NOT on that engine.

Josh [quote]Poeple like me Look If phone conversations could be posted you would understand the deal we made.
He was to send out the carbs also You need to stop with that BS because you were told that carb went with my other motor I was nice enough to send out two carbs that I told you needed to be rebuilt!!!!!! I did'nt even have to do that! but.... I thought i was getting a motor not a peice of shit! Also if you really want to get down to it You told me on the phone this motor was RACE READY. all we had to do was drop it in & go Yeah right I would'nt even put the motor you sent me on a go cart much less a 6 or 7 second car!!!!!! That is stupid! Don't be trying to scam your way out of this form because it wont work like they said you thought we were stupid & you got caught!also if the blower intake was cracked then you must have done it .By the way we purchased insurance for it when we shipped it I told you to let us know if it was ok you never did so... There you are! once again with shit on your face :evil: also i would not ever get anything else from you burned one is enough

Junk
 

Been following this and all I can say is that totrade owes for a blower. I personally wouldn't trust you to send another engine. That piece of crap is nowhere near what you described in your ad. That debris in the pan didn't build up like that over night. Those rods are not "H" beams and the courts will fry you if it gets there. Your best solution is to pay the man for his blower and get your act together. As Rudy states, if you can't verify it you shouldn't declare it. I think you'll find that a reputation is alot harder to repair than a bank account.

I did talk to the guy who bought the blower and He said I could buy it back for $950(because of the repairs he has done). If this is sufficient I will do that and send it out to you but there is now way I can pay for shipping on the blower.

If you can pay $950 for the blower then you should be able to pay the shipping.

I don't think so. I am already loosing my Ass. But I guess next time i will have someone inspect a motor before I buy it or sell it.

You are so willing to jump on in there and add your 2cents why dont you you pay for shipping.

deal resolution.
 

Buy the blower back, ship it to Boone's racing at your cost.

Boone's take the engine to the metal scapper get a price for the scrap cast iron, deduct your gas money and send the difference to totrade.

Deal resolved.

later, Scorp

LOOK MAN IT'S NOT LIKE I DID THIS INTENTIONALLY. I NVER MENT TO MESS OVER ANYONE.. I GOT SCREWED TO. I AM ALREADY LOOISING MONEY SO I CAN'T PAY FOR SHIPPING NO TO WAYS ABOUT IT.

THANKS FOR YOU TWO CENTS TOO.

IF YOU CANT PAY FOR SHIPPIMG ON THE BLOWER THEN I GUESS COURT IT IS.

THANKS

You made a deal now it is your responsability to make it right. Just bite the bullet and it will be a done deal, then no one can say that you didn't do your part. Goodluck to both of you.

I ALREADY AM BITIN THE BULLIT. LIKE I SAID I CAN'T PAY FOR SHIPPING AND THAT IS FINAL.

I THINK IT PRETTY FAIR CONSIDERING I NEVER MENT TO SCREW ANYONE AROUND ADN I GOT SCREW BUYING THE MOTOR..

how could you buy the Blower back when it is listed in the other ad with the motor we were supposed to get when the ad says sold? What did you give him the shaft to? You need to quit whinning about your loss hell look at what we lost a 4000.00 blower with extra parts & 800.00 shipping & a month waiting on you to find a peice of crap motor to ship! you need to suck it up be a man and fix the problem!I would always stand by my word fellow racers never want to screw another racer like I said before we ALL like the spert & we all should stick together we already get took from the parts stores!!!!!!!

Thanks scorp I will be in touch! Danny Boone

THE BLOWER WAS SOLD SEPERATE FROM THE CAR. THE ADD FOR THE CAR WAS A DIFFERENT ENGINE. NO I DIDN'T GIVE HIM THE SHAFT AND I NEVER MENT FOR YOU TO GET THE SHAFT. I WAS SOLD A BAD MOTOR AND DIDN'T KNOW. LOOK MAN I AM TRING TO MAKE THIS RIGHT

SO WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO.

THANKS

Blower
 

If you people would fill out your profiles it would be easier to find possible solutions. There are plenty of racers who travel all over the states for races. If you posted your profiles then maybe someone going in the direction of Boones may be able to drop it off. A blower isn't that hard to crate and ship. It would take up less room than a couple of mounted race slicks. Most racers are a trust worthy lot and would be glad to help out a fellow racer. You could give something towards the gas and that would benefit the transporter. But don't be naive and get ripped off.

I have to agree with fla1976, someone racing will probably get it for you, may take a week or so to get it but it can be done, FILL OUT PROFILES :!: :!: To trade you need to look back at the folks seeing what is going on, it is alot better to bite the bullet and get this behind you, some of these folks will remember i lost carbs on here but i done the right thing, something for you to think about. If you want to sell or buy, better play the game right :!: :!:

What profile are you talkin about?
If someone can meet me in San Antonio And the Boones are OK with it i will send it back to them..

how do we know it is our blower? and the pulleys and belts & pistons were worth $750 ...and you sold it ..how do you just go buy it back?am i the only one not understanding this? i mean this blower that gets sent to me might be junk that wasn't mine...

toTrade, send him some pictures it seems like you are trying to make this right.

ToTrade......Lets see pictures of the actual blower and all its accessories that you were sent in the same condition,In your possession? We all want to see that you have the actual items and that is what is going back to Boone,and he can verify that it is the right blower and the items with it, Sounds good to me what about everybody else?????????