Asking questions....

[TheYellaBrick]

....but not getting answers...business as usual....

http://www.infowars.com/congressman-dhs-bullet-buys-aimed-at-restricting-ammo/

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[oldandtired]

No matter how many 9mm (and other) guns and clips you have, unless you bought before December, you are out of luck.

The government was clashing sabors over the assult gun and magazine bans which diverted our attention and snuck in and took all the ammo out of circulation.

If ammo comes back, will they have a fifty cent per round tax on it?

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[TheYellaBrick]

I heard today that the Canadian Government is putting 'pressure' on CANADIAN gun manufacturers to NOT sell/send firearms across the border. Thier Govmnt cannot MAKE them stop, just 'suggest' it... OUR govmnt wants to 'dry up' the supply of guns and ammo.

[roadkill2]

I think I brought this up about four-five months ago . . Everyone was worrying about their guns and their magazines and I said then, buy all the ammo you can get, and preferably, buy it from one of the "reloaders" at a gun show or other place.

But on the other hand, I dunno if it's actually the "Guv'mint" doing this or just the hyped up market. Remember, if everyone who uses Gasoline, for some reason, went out this morning and bought a tank full of gasoline, the country would be out of gas before Noon PDT.

A guy at WalMart told me that last year, on average he'd sell about 10-12 boxes of 9 mm ball a month. Now, he'll get about 20 boxes per month and they're gone the morning he puts them on the shelf . .

The Politicians don't, apparently, understand the "Unintended Consequences" of their rhetoric and "politicking" . . Simply because, anytime you speak publicly about anything that would or might become hard to obtain, Murphy's Law will step in and it certainly will. Just because everybody that might want one of whatever it is, will go out and buy one, and generally, pay whatever it costs . .

I see guns for sale today for $800 that you couldn't sell for $300 last July . . Dunno if they're getting that money for them, but that's what they're asking. And don't even think of latching on to an AR style .223 Semi-Auto for less than $1800 . . These things have gone nuts . . . The .308's are bringing $2800-$3800 depending upon make. Totally nuts . .

I think most of it is just "Supply and Demand", although I might backtrack on something I said back aways about justification of the HSA buying a jillion rounds of pistol and rifle ammo. There may be method to their madness. But, because our government works (Questionable description?) kind of sporadically, one doesn't really know whether some dickhead in the HSA suddenly found out that he was gonna come up short and ordered a ten year supply or some other Socialist Dickhead has an agenda. I suppose one should expect the worst and welcome the least . .

[outlaw256]

yep, got all the guns i would ever need. but i might as well be throwin them at the gov. boys because a empty gun is useless...

[roadkill2]

And lemme say this about that . .

In our "New" world, don't EVER admit to owning a gun publicly.

For several reasons. There's a lot of ears tuned in to those magic words; "Rifle, Pistol, Gun, Handgun, Firearm, etc." for a lot of reasons.

The first is totally obvious. Thieves. Guns are fungible goods that can be turned into cash quicker than you can print it. Thieves and their buddies hang around Bars, Gun Stores, and other places "Good Ole Boys" hang out and talk. And they listen. And if you're really proud of all those guns y'got and talk about it, sooner or later you're gonna come home and find somebody else has inventoried your belongings and took what's valuable. Nothing like owning a gun you no longer have . . Keep your serial numbers written down and in two different places. A buddy of mine said, "Yeah I keep all my gun's numbers in a "Master List" in my computer. Along with his guns, the computer will go out the door, so that's not good. . Keep a list on a flash drive at your job, or a relative's home. That way if they clean you out, or you have a fire, you've still got your home's inventory.

Been there, done that . . .

The next reason is probably just as obvious. If your neighbors know you have a bunch of guns, and the guys at the bar or Gun Store know this, then the Feds might want to know also. And because we don't have a National Gun registry (yet) they will have to find out who's armed and who's not by heresay . .

Talking about ownership or "Right To Own" is two different things . . . And on the 'Net, everybody's listening . . .

[outlaw256]

thats all true rk.but knowing i have them and getting to them is two different things...and about the feds well.......

[roadkill2]

Heh, heh . . Two things y'have to accept. Thieves don't need no stinkin' Search Warrant and the Feds always have one . .

That's the sorry state of things in our world today . . .

By the by, we're starting a Letter/Phone/eMail deal to our Congressmen and Senators asking them why the DHS needs 1.6 billion rounds of Hollow points, 7000 machine guns (M-4A carbines) and 2717 Armored Vehicles for "training Purposes" . . And we'd like a better answer than Janet Napolitano has put out there!

Not that we'll get one, but wotheHell . . . Fire one off and in a week or 10 days we'll compare notes . .

[zipper06]

I don't know who's getting the Ammo, but i have several friends that work at Winchesters ammo div. in Oxford Ms. and they are running 24/6 making casings.

Zip.

[outlaw256]

RK, I WASNT EVEN THINKIN ABOUT WARRANTS..LOL. a warrent will not open my doors. for any reason.period.im not big im not real bad. im just not lettin anyone i dont want in my house in.period.i do know what will happen.and im am prepared for that.i live a very peaceful life nowdays. i hope it stays that way..im to old and crippled to fight.but your never to old to die for what you believe in.

[zipper06]

RK, I WASNT EVEN THINKIN ABOUT WARRANTS..LOL. a warrent will not open my doors. for any reason.period.im not big im not real bad. im just not lettin anyone i dont want in my house in.period.i do know what will happen.and im am prepared for that.i live a very peaceful life nowdays. i hope it stays that way..im to old and crippled to fight.but your never to old to die for what you believe in.

Outlaw, i believe in defending myself and my home also, and i never want to have to shoot someone, however in the case of a home invasion i think i would surely try.
You are too crippled up to be worring about all this crap, just like i'm too old to worry about it. I just get my sleep and work in my shop when weather permits and i feel good enough to. I'll cross the bridge when i have no other choice, in the mean time i just go day to day because i'm running out of days.

Zip.

[TheYellaBrick]

I tell ya what, boys, I'm real tempted to take that same attitude. BUT ! I've still a few years left in me, I've been guided by God to take my place in the front lines and I shall not shirk my duty. I am a warrior of America and will fight to the death or even longer. My weapons are 'information', to be shared and explained, and physical weapons if the situation calls for it. There are MANY, MANY of U.S. .... You boys relax, I've got yer back......

[roadkill2]

Dunno . . The situation hasn't arisen yet, and one probably doesn't have a clue about what would happen if the Sh*t hits the fan.

Notably, it wouldn't be pretty, and one probably ought to have some provisions laid away. My bet on how somebody like the current Administration would handle an "Uprising" would be to cut off all utilities, and create a need for the helpless and dumb to become instantly dependent upon the Government for food, water and warmth. (More than they are now)

That would leave the "Insurgents" on the outside looking in, so to speak. They would have to take whatever they needed to survive and if the places to "Take it" were centralized, then the insurgents would be lured in and become targets . .

On the other hand, as I've said, there's more armed Americans (Rednecks, so to speak) than there are Soldiers and Police . . Looking back to Fallujah, Iraq, it took 30,000 American Soldiers to clean out roughly 8,000 "Insurgents" and the cost in blood was pretty high . . Turn those numbers around and you have a bad deal for the Government . .

Old geezers like us might make a difference "once" . . So you'd have to weigh the situation and figure out if what you're doing is going "To make a difference" . . .

Political Statements are a lot like Principles, they can get very expensive or lost in the crowd . .

Always make sure your's won't be wasted.

And I gotta ask . . Where's Ken . . I miss his input and information.

[outlaw256]

im right here rk. lol i know the other ken...nobody misses my opinions...lol zip, i know you are right about me being to old and crippled up to worry. lol but i do..cant help myself. i worry about the things and people i love. and i love my country as i know you do. but im a worrying kinda guy now. i didnt used to be but after this wreck seems thats all i do is worry.lol. i think they call it PARANIOD!!!!

[roadkill2]

Paranoid? Nahhhh, you just have more time to think . .

And sometimes we old guys tend to overthink things. But in the case of this administration and all the crap they're causing or starting, I don't think so.

It's worth watching and commenting on . . as I said, there's things we might disagree on but nothing worth fighting over . . We have far more in common than we do in discourse . .