They're here

[TheRabbit]

http://news.yahoo.com/drones-large-small-coming-us-010537668.html


Most of the drones that have begun to appear in the skies above the U.S. homeland don't resemble the Predators or Reapers flown by the U.S. military and CIA above Afghanistan and Pakistan. Instead, these smaller versions of flying, unmanned vehicles almost rival the animal kingdom in their diversity.
Government agencies such as NASA and U.S. Customs and Border Protection operate aircraft-size military drones that take off from runways like airplanes. Labs in the United States have even built tiny drones that look like hummingbirds. But most drones resemble the radio-controlled aircraft and toy helicopters flown by hobbyists for decades, capable of taking off horizontally, vertically or by being thrown into the air like a trained falcon or hawk.
"To say they're all the same is not accurate at all,” said Kevin Lauscher, an industrial sales representative for Draganfly Innovations Inc.
The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration does not plan to permit drones armed with weapons in U.S. civilian airspace, according to an official quoted by the Washington Times. But state agencies, sheriff's offices and universities have already found more widespread use for drones that carry cameras for taking photos or video from above.
"If you look at the capabilities, there are small, quad helicopters and rotor helicopters that can be fitted with a camera and fit in the palm of your hand," Lauscher told TechNewsDaily. "They go all the way up [in size] to a Global Hawk,” which is a relatively large military drone.
Draganfly Innovations builds small drones weighing less than 5 pounds that fly under the control of a human operator using two joysticks. The Canadian company has sold some drones to law enforcement for taking pictures or video of traffic accidents or crime scenes, as well as aiding SWAT teams preparing to storm a building or housing compound. [7 Next Generation UAVs]
But law enforcement represents a relatively small part of Draganfly's business. Many more clients use drones to cheaply inspect the exterior of huge factories, manufacturing facilities or construction sites. Drones could even help check on tall structures such as wind turbines, Lauscher said.
FAA drone license applications tracked by the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a nonprofit digital rights organization, suggest many other possible uses. Some U.S. states have begun considering drones for checking on highway traffic conditions, inspecting bridges and fighting wildfires. U.S. corporations, such as FedEx, have already begun planning for the day when drones could deliver packages.
Unlike free-flying birds, practically every unmanned aerial vehicle known as a drone flies under some form of human remote control. But university labs have already shown how pre-programmed drones can carry out intricate flight patterns, and military-grade drones have emergency backup routines in case they lose the signal connection to their human operators.
Bird watchers accustomed to spotting a gaggle of geese or a murder of crows may someday spot similar groupings of drones. Such drone swarms will likely use advanced forms of today's artificial intelligence programs to coordinate their missions without precise human control, a future with possibilities both delightful and daunting.
"Can drone technology be abused? Absolutely," Lauscher said. "Can they be beneficial and save lives? Absolutely."

[TheYellaBrick]

This tech can be VERY MUCH ABUSED ! Or used in VERY positive, educational, recreational, and business related applications.....by ANyone.....
The two young guys who videoed the Mary Hill Hillclimb are out of Portland,Or. The Government there is trying to pass bills regulating & restricting the use of ALL, remote controlled aircraft, no matter the size or use.
This is a VERY vague and barley visible line between 'legal' use and 'illegal' use.
Example; You are up and videoing a car show, racing event, a clients home/business, and you unknowingly capture images of some one or some thing. In the meantime you've made the video available to the public or a private entity where the 'unknown' images are then discovered. A lawsuit then is filed and here we go.....

[TheYellaBrick]

http://www.gopusa.com/freshink/2013/02/26/look-for-the-day-when-drones-fill-domestic-skies/?subscriber=1

[ken0069]

And what happens when someone in the private sector CRASHES one of those things??

The local R/C club here has insurance for all it's members and they are only flown in that specific area. Lord help the idiot that's out flying one of them at some event and it crashes and kills someone on the ground!

[rogersperformance]

All i have to say is George Lucas was ahead of every one Star wars The Drone Wars.

[TheRabbit]

And what happens when someone in the private sector CRASHES one of those things??

The local R/C club here has insurance for all it's members and they are only flown in that specific area. Lord help the idiot that's out flying one of them at some event and it crashes and kills someone on the ground!

Ha Ha. My step dad has over 120 remote control airplanes. He flys early every morning and late every evening on the golf couse across the road from his house. One afternoon when he was flying he lost power in the plane and it hit a guy (luckily it was one of his friends) in the ankle that was on the green. Cut him pretty bad and he had to go to the hospital to get stitches. Really lucky he was going slow and getting ready to land and lucky he didn't hit him in the head!
Typical golfer, he was mad and still picks at my step dad because he had a good round going andhad to leave and go to the hospital.

Some of his planes / jets (all electric) can fly a good bit over 100mph.

[roadkill2]

Ha Ha. My step dad has over 120 remote control airplanes.

Some of his planes / jets (all electric) can fly a good bit over 100mph.

Y'know I know several guys who also have R/C planes and some of them are downright scary because they do fly pretty fast and with the new controls and the size of cameras and resolution that they're capable of, you can fly your planes out of sight now . . So, they too, become "Drones" . .

Think on this, because this could be a two way street in the future . . Today's speed limit for R/C aircraft (look it up if you don't believe me) is 198 mph. Set by the FAA. And the "Jets" are real Jets, running on Fuel, kinda neat, really . . . Check one out . . It hauls ass . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXEiVDK0p88

I say this because since the "Drone" conversation began, it's crossed my mind (didn't have far to go) that these R/C's could be "Armed" just as easily as a "Dedicated Drone" could . . Y'think?

A couple of years ago the feds arrested an Arab who was going to use 3/4 scale Model Airplanes with jet power as radio controlled missiles to blow up something or other. It was kind of "blown off" by everyone associated with the bust because he was using "Model Airplanes" . .

But, what if he had access to a half pound (or so) of C-4 and put it in the "Model Airplane" with an impact fuse? Those "Small Aircraft" will certainly carry that much weight relatively easily . . And a half pound of C-4 would make a hellova BANG! . .

That would be, no longer a "Model Aircraft", but a guided missile . . .

Just sayin'

[TheYellaBrick]

ZACTLY ! WE the PEOPLE have 'drones' as well that could be weaponized and used against an 'opposing' force..100's of THOUSANDS.....You can't tell me 'they' do not know this....

[roadkill2]

Here's something else that will either scare hell out of you or warm your heart, depending upon which side of the fence you live on, Most of the R/C Airplane guys I know are also Gun Nuts . . or Gun Rights activists at least . .

There were quite a few of them at the "Town Hall Meeting" last Saturday that State Senator Angela Giron held on "Gun Control" and the four bills pending in the State Senate . .

And, yeah, I'd bet they certainly know about these things . . And I'd also bet that they're watching pretty close.

But, just like guns, they may be able to legislate the sale and manufacture of new ones, but they can't do much about the stuff that's already out there . .

[TheYellaBrick]

But, just like guns, they may be able to legislate the sale and manufacture of new ones, but they can't do much about the stuff that's already out there . .

And THAT is PRECISELY why gun sales have ratcheted up sky high..

[ken0069]

but they can't do much about the stuff that's already out there . .

They never would be able to find all of them either!! I've already got a plan to "loose" some of mine!

And along that line, whenever something is banned it only serves to create a "black market" and in the case of g u n n s, it would be MUCH worse than the illegal drug trade! And would be much harder to catch as well as a dog can't sniff out a piece of steel and plastic! :wink: Sneak the pieces in then assemble them afterwards. Sound like a plan to me, hey!

[roadkill2]

Basically, what I meant when I said that, is, they will have to not only sh*tcan the Second Amendment, they'll have to go beyond the Fourth Amendment concerning search and seizure . .

And when and if that happens, not even a USSOC decision would or could stop what would probably happen next.

A shooting war . . Pitting the citizens against a tyrannical government agency or agencies. Which is what the Second Amendment is all about in the first place!

And I would think that even these arrogant @ssholes would know that . . There are Police Chiefs and Sheriffs all over the country already telling both their state and federal legislators that they will be no part of assisting the Federal Government in enforcing unconstitutional mandates. In other words they have disavowed taking up arms against their citizens or attempting to extend the federal government's confiscatory abilities.

But you're also correct in the fact that if the "War on Drugs' didn't work, wait'll they try to enforce a firearms ban or even something like the Australian and Canadian governments pulled off a couple of years ago . . Ain't gonna happen here . . Think Fallujah times 100 . .

[TheRabbit]

Basically, what I meant when I said that, is, they will have to not only sh*tcan the Second Amendment, they'll have to go beyond the Fourth Amendment concerning search and seizure . .

And when and if that happens, not even a USSOC decision would or could stop what would probably happen next.

A shooting war . . Pitting the citizens against a tyrannical government agency or agencies. Which is what the Second Amendment is all about in the first place!

And I would think that even these arrogant @ssholes would know that . . There are Police Chiefs and Sheriffs all over the country already telling both their state and federal legislators that they will be no part of assisting the Federal Government in enforcing unconstitutional mandates. In other words they have disavowed taking up arms against their citizens or attempting to extend the federal government's confiscatory abilities.

But you're also correct in the fact that if the "War on Drugs' didn't work, wait'll they try to enforce a firearms ban or even something like the Australian and Canadian governments pulled off a couple of years ago . . Ain't gonna happen here . . Think Fallujah times 100 . .

They know they would loose their jobs at the next election, but somehow the people vote and send the dumbest idiots they can find in their community to Washington. I really don't understand how most of them got there.

[ken0069]

somehow the people vote and send the dumbest idiots they can find in their community to Washington. I really don't understand how most of them got there.

The answer is simple my friend!! MONEY We have the best politicians that money can buy!!

What chance do you think a "regular guy" like one of us would have trying to get elected at the State or Federal level?? Truth be told that's exactly what we need but with things the way they are now, that ain't ever gonna happen!

[TheYellaBrick]

I've heard interviews with the 2010 freshmen who we elected to DC. They are ASTOUNDED at the 'pressures' to sell their souls, and some already have....too many. They arrive with the best intentions but are slambasted from all sides by 'special interest', and more often than not fall for 'sins of the flesh' leaving themselves WIDE EFFING OPEN to blackmail/manipulation.....Welcome to the DC JUNGLE, punks....We wanna see you bleeeeed

[roadkill2]

Here's how it works . . And it's pretty much the same way in either party . . .

If you are selected by your party's committee (usually a "Smoke filled room") then you are given certain access to the party loyal contributors (along with all your cuzzins and other family and friends who kick in $10) who will "Help Get You elected" . . The "loyal party contributors" don't expect YOU to do much of anything. But YOUR PARTY will advise you on certain agendas that you had best advocate in every speech (Unless they're unpopular to most of the Indy's, then you just drop a hit now and then)

Once you're elected, your thoughts must turn to RE-ELECTION . . I mean, how else can you get all those things you promised you were going to do, done. I mean, One Term just isn't gonna be enough time to get it done in . . especially when you have all the stuff the big contributors want done first . .

Now, because you get contributions term to term, you're not "Selling" anything . . But you're sure as hell "RENTING" your services to the highest bidder.

And the only time the Home Town Constituent sees or hears directly from his/her elected representative is around election time when that person remembers that you're the guy who elects him . . Unless he has more money than God, then he may visit but mostly you'll hear Negative campaigning from him about the guy running against him . . And he'll be on CNN or Fox News a lot more than usual, to appear that he might know something you don't . . .

Until there's Congressional Term limits and a huge reduction in retirement percs for those clowns, don't expect to be represented in Congress or even your state legislatures . . And that will take an Amendment to change . .

[roadkill2]

But, we're getting off topic here and I think the "Drone" deal is gonna try the farthest reaches of the Court's System eventually.

Personally, while I wouldn't advise anyone directly, I'll watch the skies, and because I own the airspace above my property, I will shoot down any of those little battery powered helicopters I see over my property. And then dare the owner(s) to come get it.

And that's what the average local PD drone is/will be.

I can already buy one that I can fly with an iPad or iPhone for a little less than $300 from most hobby stores that sell R/C stuff. (It's been on the market for two years) It will fly for about a half hour and it can be controlled totally remotely, out of line of sight, using two video cameras for control input. Make one a little more efficient and it can carry GPS navigation and homing equipment . . All of which doesn't weigh any more than a very small cell phone . .

Total package cost? About $600 . . . And most of the software is in your phone or iPad controlling device. "There's an APP for that!"

And going back to those "Jet R/C's" and their guidance systems. According to one of my R/C buddies, they now have a "Homing device and software" you can put in your R/C plane that is programmed to fly back to a specific GPS location if it's controlling radio signals are lost.

Now what it does if there's nobody there to land it is up for discussion . .

Hmmmm . . . ?

[csx8506]

roadkill,
Not trying to hijack this thread, but how high do you own the airspace above your property?
dgh

[roadkill2]

roadkill,
Not trying to hijack this thread, but how high do you own the airspace above your property?
dgh

Dunno. But if something is above you and enroaching upon your privacy, I'm betting it's your right to claim ownership and let others disprove it . .

So, if you can hit it with a 10 ga. with a Goose Load, there's a pretty good chance that there'll be little argument . .

And, quite like somebody shot on your property, if it falls on your property then it was/is, trespassing, in the least.

[csx8506]

Roadkill,
I like your answer! I hope there won't be any argument, because I won't be in any condition to argue after I shoot a 10 ga., my shoulder will be gone!! dgh

[TheRabbit]

I bet Outlaw would shoot the snot out of it!! I'd help him skin it if he did! lol

[oldandtired]

roadkill,
Not trying to hijack this thread, but how high do you own the airspace above your property?
dgh

Interesting thought... How deep are your mineral rights below your property :?:

[TheYellaBrick]

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/Driver_of_Miss_DD/DroneHunting1_zpsad15df05.jpg

[roadkill2]

roadkill,
Not trying to hijack this thread, but how high do you own the airspace above your property?
dgh

Interesting thought... How deep are your mineral rights below your property :?:

Depends on whether you own them or not. Increasingly, properties are being sold with only "Surface" ownership rights.

Years back, I bought 25 acres of a "School Section" that had been cut off the section by a county road. I bought it from a private owner, but the mineral rights were owned by the "Catholic Diocese" of the town in which I live. Thus, While I could drill a well on the property (With permit) so could the agent of the Diocese. They could also come in and mine any material(s) that are under the property.

Of course they would have to reimbuse the surface owners for any damages to the property, but you could end up in court for a longer time than when Nero sued the Fiddler's Union . .

On the other hand, while I've seen Airspace above property leased, I've never seen it sold or owned (by Deed) by anyone but the deeded Property owner.

[TheYellaBrick]

http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/03/05/rand-paul-reveals-letters-from-doj-that-say-president-could-authorize-drone-strikes-on-us-soil/

[roadkill2]

FYI . . Go to Google earth, Open, then go to "Beale AFB, CA" . .

Pull in the image of the Flight Line Apron. On it you'll see four black Airplanes with long wings . . those are U2's. A U2 is a fair sized aircraft. Note the "Silver aircraft" sitting at the North end of the line of U2's . . That's a "Reaper" drone. Big Mutha, ain't it?

Now to get another idea of scale between the Reaper and the "Predator", look a little further North on the Apron, and you'll see a U2 being tugged out of a hangar. Right beside it is a "Predator" Drone . . . It's "only" about the same size as a U2 . .

To give you a further idea of size and scale, look at the far North on the Apron. There's 4 T-38s (I think that's what they are) and on the Apron, about midway is a Mitsubishi Twin.

Bigassed Model Airplanes, huh?

[roadkill2]

Both of the "Drones" are "Global Hawks", jet powered and just a little bigger than the Reaper and almost twice as big as the Predator . .

Both the Reaper and Predator have downward rear stabilators and are propeller powered . .

[TheYellaBrick]

VEEEEEEERY INteresting.........LOOOONG wings for slow going and very high altitude 'observation' ala U2...not gonna be bagging one of them with a shotgun !...

[roadkill2]

Y'kno, I went up and googled "Boeing Global Hawk" and it brought up a site that was a literal catalog on state of the art drones and who's using them for what.

The "Predator", the "Reaper", the "Mariner", and a whole host of different names and variants are basically the same airframe. Portability and load are what makes the differences as far as I could see. The Global Hawk works at 65,000 feet of altitude where the Predator (and 90% of it's variants) function from 30,000 to about 55,000 feet. Wingspan varies from 66' to 82' and the powerplants vary depending upon the designed altitude.

The Global Hawk seems to be the most prevalent aircraft within the country's borders, but Homeland Security and DEA is using the Mariner on both borders.

And no Virginia, we can't shoot 'em down. but the Russians (or the Chinese) figured out how to deal with them in the Persian Gulf and Afhanistan. They found the UHF bands they were using to control them over Afghanistan and Pakistan and then figured out the scrambling code, and Voila!, the Iranians have taken over the controls of several and landed them in Iran. They didn't shoot them down, they stole them!

An acquaintence who was in the Air Force and was part of the team at Nellis (Las Vegas) who flew the Drones over both Afghanistan and Pakistan told me that during Bush 43's term, they used the drones sparingly because they knew the Russians were monitoring the control bands, but after the Mocha Messiah took over, the flights increased about 1000%. Then after Iran got the first predator (classified info) the Generals notified the CIA that they needed to cut the overflight frequencies over and around Iran . . They didn't and one of their really secret, state of the Art "Frisbees" got kidnappped . . You read about that one . .

Then The DoD moved the controllers to Kandahar, Afghanistan. That's why the DoD created the "Drone Pilot's Medal" . . now they're "In Country" rather than in North Las Vegas . . Dunno if they're still using the COMSAT or direct control, but it's harder to "Kidnap" a drone when your signal is almost impossible to override . .

[TheRabbit]

An acquaintence who was in the Air Force and was part of the team at Nellis (Las Vegas) who flew the Drones over both Afghanistan and Pakistan told me that during Bush 43's term, they used the drones sparingly because they knew the Russians were monitoring the control bands, but after the Mocha Messiah took over, the flights increased about 1000%. Then after Iran got the first predator (classified info) the Generals notified the CIA that they needed to cut the overflight frequencies over and around Iran . . They didn't and one of their really secret, state of the Art "Frisbees" got kidnappped . . You read about that one . .



To bad they didn't kidnap the Mocha Messiah instead.

[roadkill2]

An acquaintence who was in the Air Force and was part of the team at Nellis (Las Vegas) who flew the Drones over both Afghanistan and Pakistan told me that during Bush 43's term, they used the drones sparingly because they knew the Russians were monitoring the control bands, but after the Mocha Messiah took over, the flights increased about 1000%. Then after Iran got the first predator (classified info) the Generals notified the CIA that they needed to cut the overflight frequencies over and around Iran . . They didn't and one of their really secret, state of the Art "Frisbees" got kidnappped . . You read about that one . .



To bad they didn't kidnap the Mocha Messiah instead.


"KIDNAP" . . Would indicate that he might come back . .

Of course, this could be one of those cases of selling him for what he thinks he's worth, buying him back for what he IS worth . .

Nahhh . . We'd be dollars ahead if we were to let 'em keep him . .

[outlaw256]

all i can tell ya guys is all the things that people thought wouldnt happen here is about to happen here.with this idiot in office we are in real trouble. drones, firearms confication.even our public schools got the kids wearing uniforms in someplaces. think about that for a minute. they all look alike.is that america.hell no its not.well i wont live to see what is going to happen in the next few yrs.but i hope my family will become freedom fighers if that is what it takes.because thats just what i would do.ok back to the subject. shoot all drones down.all of them.anytime anywhere.and if it happens to be the kid next doors flying toy, say sorry son and buy him a new one lol

[roadkill2]

Just make sure the Federal Congressman in your district and your Senator(s) that go back to Washington, D.C. in 2014 are Republicans . . that will turn a lot of this crap around . .

[outlaw256]

rk, im not a dumocrat nor republican. not really a teabagger either. but i am american conservative.but a republican is closer to what i want runnin the show than anything else

[roadkill2]

Problem we have, is that the Republicans are closer to an answer, and so we have little choice . .

It would be great if we could vote in an Independent that really represented those in the middle, but most of the "Independents' in the House and Senate are either Socialists or communists (re: Bernie Saunders) so I don't think they'll help the country or their constituents . .

[ken0069]

not really a teabagger either

Outlaw I'm pretty sure you don't use that word to deliberately piss anyone off but I'd appreciate it if you'd find another way to refer to those of us that are members of "The Tea Party" other than using that derogatory term.

Caution, adult content in this link!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=teabagger

[roadkill2]

Y'know, I dunno where the "Tea Party" people got such a bad rap . . According to what has been explained to me by those who call themselves "Tea Party Members", they are against "Taxation without Representation" which is how the whole damned concept of this country was started in the first place!

Tea Party people generally don't speak of Abortions, right to life, pro-choice, Second amendment, etc. Instead they are demanding "Fiscal Responsibility" which is something the country could certainly use a big dose of . .

Some of those agendas do come up in conversations and often as not there will be differences in the views of the different people present. But on a lot of those things they also agree on . . In the three Tea Party Meetings I've been to, there were even several Registered Democrats present. Moderates, I'm sure, but never the less, there are left of center people who are just as worried about the country's debt as the right is.

I don't belong to the local chapter, but I do contribute some time, knowledge and a little money . . But you won't see me on your front porch on Saturday mornings . . Heh, heh . .

[TheYellaBrick]

The birth of the T.E.A. (Taxed Enough Already) Party was totally an informal gathering of Liberty loving Patriots. We changed the political scene in a big way in 2010 and ever since, the left have been SKEERED of us because we've become a formidable political force. ANYONE who becomes a direct threat to their left wing agenda become fair game for destruction by any means possible. Hence the demeaning 'teabagger' tag.
The newest batch of legislatures in DC are mostly TEA Party. Cruz, Paul Ryan, Rand Paul, and others.

[TheYellaBrick]

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/harvard-studies-the-tea-party/

[roadkill2]

Base mathematics tell you that the Tea Party will continue to grow. Simply because, no matter the party in control, the Administration (and Congress) will need MORE REVENUE to continue to function. More Revenue means . . ? MORE TAXES!

None of those in power are going to be blamed for cutting services, Highway Funds, Natonal Defense and a plethora of things we have grown used to . . So they won't quit spending . . Your money. They will just mandate that you pay more . . .

You're seeing Obozo do this currently with the sequester he planned to use on the Republicans and pass off the blame to them. Well, they're catching some of the blame but so is he. In the end the only person to get hurt here will be the average American taxpayer. He's gonna pay more for less . . .

Thus, the Tea Party will continue to grow until it becomes more than just relevant, but a majority that the Politicians (on either side) cannot ignore!

[TheRabbit]

One sad thing about the Tea Party is Sara Palin is the first thing many think of when they think of the current Tea Party. She's a joke, and doesn't help much when she starts talking.

McCain / Palin was the worst thing to happen to the Republican party in a long time. IMO if Romney would have run against Obama in 08 Obama would not have been elected.

[roadkill2]

I dunno if I'd put Palin down as part of the "Old Guard" . . I think she's one of the lower branches of a potential new tree . . She's a pretty good speechmaker, and has a good following on the conservative center. More common sense based. But because of her afilliation with McCain (who ought to be in a senior citizen's home someplace where the news media can't find him) she was made into a "Clown with Lipstick" by the liberal media in the 2008 election . . And the Republican "Old Guard' allowed it.

Her speech to CPAC was pretty good and she can rally the troops, but I don't think she'd run again and I don't think it would help the cause for her to. I'll give her one thing, she calls 'em like she see's 'em on the old guard. Her shot at Rove was a harbinger of things to come for the "Good Ole Boys" in the party . . The "Kingmakers" are going to have to go away . .

There's a lot of younger and upcoming legislators and candidates in the pipeline, but they cannot be put in place by the old Guard and then be expected to make any changes . . So you need to get rid of the Puppetiers first . .

Basically, if the Senator or Representative of your district and state has been in their office for more than two terms, they no longer have YOUR best interest in mind (if they ever did) and it's time to "primary" them out . .

[outlaw256]

sorry ken0069, im not going to change the way i speak or what i call things ,no im not sorry after all.i am not p.c. i have never been and i will never be. it is not derogatory. and i dont care who in .the hell i piss off.as far as thatv tem TEABAGGER, i have a t shirt that says " screw you, am a ogt. original teabagger" on the back is a ocean scooner with a box of lipton tea floating in water...bought it a few yrs ago. if i offend you, thats something you have to deal with not me.everyone is gettin too damn touchy in these pc days.ive been called a dumba$$ because i am not a dumocrat. ive been called a redneck because i live in the south.ive been called a hippie because i have real long hair.{by the way i hate hippies. they are too peace lovin for my tastes.lol[..ive been called biker trash because i was a patch holder and road a harley.ive been called a doper because i have to take narcotics. quess what, not once did i cry or even got upset. or try to correct someone.if you do belong to the tea bag party, you should be proud to be a bagger, not offended.hell im closer to a bagger thananything else and i dont give a f--- who knows or what theycall me.grow some skin....this pc crap is gonna kill this country, well not by itself but i will or is part of the problem.they dont want us to say illegals anymore, now its un document...lol...

[ken0069]

Thanks. I figured you'd understand? :roll:

I just figured that there's enough assholes out there on the other side doing crap like that but if you're into the circular firing squad then so be it!

[roadkill2]

Hey!

Politicians make hay when they divide people over labels . . Quoting Dr. Carson's Speech last weekend, we cannot divide ourselves with labels because as Americans we have more in common than we have in differences.

Thus, if we're all up Sh*t Creek without a paddle, better everybody get a hand in the water and paddle like hell in the same direction . . or we'll all be in the water by ourselves . .

[outlaw256]

again rk, you are the voice of reason., what he said hit me wrong, really wrong.for one it is not a derogatory term. and no i dont try to piss people off for no reason. but if i do then that is something they have to deal with, not me. im so tired of all this pc shit i cant stand it anymore.and its even worse when it gets into my home, like here on rj.everyone out here knows where i stand. a strict conservative.and i dont care what ternm you use to define me. seems some [people are getting to easy to hurt with words.hell im part tea pa party and part republican. so wjhat the hell do you call me. according to ken im a ass----....lol

[roadkill2]

I suppose part of it's where you're from, part, how seriously you take your "movement" and often, different kinds of humor . . I know guys who refer to others as an "old S.O.B." and it's just a joviality to those being addressed. I know of others, who when referred to as such, will come unglued . . Thus, one has to be aware of whom he refers to as an "Old S.O.B." . . Same difference with "teabagger" . .

Me? I'm an @sshole . . probably Number One. But you can refer to me as just about anything or anybody and I just blow it off and consider the source.

Most often if it's an insult, I don't reply . . but that's me. Everybody dances different . . .

I'm kind of lucky because I've had a lot of experiences, in Racing, Politics, Art and life in general. I've also been lucky to have had many knowledgable Mentors in most of my endeavors . . And that has been passed off to me as some wisdom, some wit and at the least, some idea of what I don't know . . .

I can understand both of your outlooks, but it shouldn't divide you or the people who come here with little acrimony and more than the same interests . .

[outlaw256]

rk, you do have some class! lol. i have been there and done that, not once but many times.therte isnt much i havent done or argued about.ive also have had mentors that were way older and wiser than the average bear..one worked as a distict manager for att back in the 70s and another worked as a gardener.see where im at on this? before my wreck i had a iq of 151. now, i have a hard time rememebering my kids names.fact!and it has also made me very short tempered.have a real hard time dealing with dumb.which i seem to run into everytime i leave the house and go somewhere, or get on this damn computer.and i raelly hate when people get so damn touchy about everything!!!!! i hate pc!!!!!!!!!!!now im the one gettin touchy...lol.

[TheYellaBrick]

As has been stated more than once here and everywhere this discussion comes up, It can sometimes be 'chaaaaaalenging' (PC word here!) to actually HEAR what and how a person speaks. We have NO voice inflection nor facial/body language to observe, just the printed word. The times we live in are quite interesting and 'chaaaaalenging' to say the least !
"Peace Out" -V-

[outlaw256]

ok so was i wrong to go off.?does anyone see why i went off?not pickin sides,just want to know. if i was right to have been the one offended.and no pc crap, tell me straight out.and if i was wrong ill say im sorry.but i still have a hard time feelin i was wrong.

[TheYellaBrick]

I don't have any prob at all with ANYone stating what's on your mind. I'm a cut and dried kinda guy as well. Way too many folks pussy foot around what they really feel. Just come out and say it, I'm a big boy.

My previous post was just confirming the fact that the printed word can be 'read' wrong if the 'words' are 'written' wrong. Remember all the trolls we've harassed and who couldn't take what they themselves dished out ? Patience, tempers, diplomacy, and a little digging once we found their 'button'....LOLOLOL

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[roadkill2]

Here's the deal on any discussion involving politics (Religion sometimes too) is that you cannot have a thin skin. With all due respect to everyone who comes here, sometimes we have slightly different beliefs than do our fellow travelers, and sometimes those beliefs are very deep.

Thus, when another touches the sharp edge of that belief, it tends to piss the guy off . . And the discussion falls apart.

In politics, because of all the agendas, the rhetoric, the conflicts of detail, and in general, the variety of belief among those who huddle under one tent or another, there's a lot of "Sharp Edges" . .

To me, Ken is a sharp guy, a definite Conservative, perhaps right on the edge of being a Libertarian. That's probably farther right than I view myself, but it don't make him no bad guy. Face it. We, or at least most of us who come here, remark or postulate, all have the same dislikes and goals, some with deeper feelings than others . . So if we step on one another's toe at one time or another, just take it easy.

If an apology is in order or would make things better, by all means, that's something that's not to hard to do. But on the other side of this, If I can piss a person off who shares my belief with a word, then one of us isn't believing as hard as he/she probably ought to. Simply because the Liberals refer to us on the Right as everything from Neanderthals to sex offenders. So if I piss you off in a conversation about our likes and dislikes, you have no business in a debate with a liberal. You're gonna go home crying . .

On "Politically Correct" . . It's neither Correct nor tolerant!

Don't be . . .

[outlaw256]

well rk, i feel a hell of alot better...if a person who says he belongs to the tea party gets offended because i said tea bagger.well thats pretty dasmned thinned skinned to me.hell i jump from being A REPUBLICAN to a TEABAGGER!!!!.

[TheYellaBrick]

So, Ken, you ride a 'bagger' or a 'tavern hopper' ?

:D :D :D

[Scooterz]

I've heard interviews with the 2010 freshmen who we elected to DC. They are ASTOUNDED at the 'pressures' to sell their souls, and some already have....too many. They arrive with the best intentions but are slambasted from all sides by 'special interest', and more often than not fall for 'sins of the flesh' leaving themselves WIDE EFFING OPEN to blackmail/manipulation.....Welcome to the DC JUNGLE, punks....We wanna see you bleeeeed

"The wages of sin are death".... no mercy for the wolf in sheep clothing. No evil weapon formed against us shall prosper. Sumbitches.

[outlaw256]

i ride a bobber, custom, chopper what ever. its a harley thou lol

[TheYellaBrick]

And THIS is a privately owned/operated aerial video company....

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