jordans performance/south carolina

[hollywood]

has anyone ever had any good or bad experiences with these guys.located in south carolina.looking to buy an engine built by them.just want feedback.thx guys.

[TheRabbit]

never heard of them.

[markdunlap]

I never heard of them too, but thats not a bad thing either.

I would recommend you compare at least 2-3 engine builders before deciding.

NYES AUTOMOTIVE in Muncie, Indiana is a good one. They are a dealer on this site and have engines listed for sale in the engine section. Ask for PAT.

[bixblk]

Very pleased with my Nyes BBC, you can call me for details if interested
Jeff M. 708-308-0282

[nova72]

build top notch engines with true dyno hp very pleased with the work they do

[BEAST477]

I know of two guys locally that aren't real pleased with thier Nyes BBC with little to no help from them. One was just freshened and let go in the water box the other had six passes and found aluminum in the oil filter. They never chamfered the bottom of the cylinders. Didn't do the coated pistons much good.

[nova72]

i have over 300 passes on my 406 never no problems dennis jordon comes highly reccomended

[shawnp]

If they are close to you, run down and check out the shop. If not, and you have doubts, can you find the same deal close to home or one about the same price that would make you feel better?

That is always the tough thing when you buy/sell a motor. I have my motor listed in the classifieds but I know the questions I will get and they are genertally questions that the buyer asks trying to find trust and confidence that they feel they are getting a good motor. There are too many scammers out there and a motor is one of the easiest things to pass off on quality but in reality it is junk.

[hammertime]

I know of two guys locally that aren't real pleased with thier Nyes BBC with little to no help from them. One was just freshened and let go in the water box the other had six passes and found aluminum in the oil filter. They never chamfered the bottom of the cylinders. Didn't do the coated pistons much good.

Raises Hand ... I was the grenade in the burnout box. I was and still am very displeased in how they treated a long time customer and someone who sent them thousands of dollars of work a year. I basically got the FU Salute after 22 runs ..

Shawn is right, if they are close go look at them. If not, shop around ask a bunch of questions up front .. ask the what if questions also ..

[itsabird]

always wondered, why you stoped dealing with them hammer.

[bbchevy]

It does Happen!
I built my own,and it just Broke a Intake valve after 46 passes.
Only thing is,I purchased a custom set of heads,camshaft combo.Seems to be alot of ISSUES with the build???

Needless to say,the Intake valve is NOT the only thing thats JUNK!!!

Later
G :?

[mrmopar622]

I don't know about them,but you don't want to do any business with Naylor Racing engines in Dalzell SC. that have the big ad on here 565,582,600 cu in engines that make a 1000+hp for $10,500.Well I brought a 632 cu in engine from them on the invoice & were I paid the Bill its says 1100+ hp and I paid more for this than the 600 cu in engine to get more than 1,000+ hp,well this 632 cu in engine that cost more & I am sure makes more hp than the 600 cu in engines he offers would not make 950 hp I have the invoice & the the dyno sheets to prove this.After getting a notice from RJ to beware of another scammer on here I reported Naylor racing engines to them.I have not heard anything back from them yet.

[mrmopar622]

If only I had seen shawnp post & took his advice and took a trip up to Naylor Racing engines,and checked out their shop,I would have not been out all this $$$.You see their big Ad with all the engines in the pictures & think they are a Big Time Race-Engine builders with all the Hi-Tech machinery to do these Hi-Horse-Power engine builds,but what little they have is out-dated not even up to par with the Li'll Mom & Pop machine shops for your normal engine machine work.
It might cost a little extra $$$ to take the time to go check out someones shop before you send them you hard earned $$$,but in the long run it will be $$$ well spent.

[proactionheads]

Have you hear that you cant please every one well no one can please mrmopar he is not all there. He had Naylor build him a 632 with dart 400m and a dart tunnel ram intake heads for $11500..00 .He said that he could not afford good heads on a 632 so jimmy set him up with dart 400m heads and intake to help then he would fully port heads at NO CHARGE to help him if would let the shop work the heads in between jobs so he could do them for free.It took dart 4 weeks to get heads to them the work started after 2 more weeks cambers we done and v.j, the heads no work from dart.After 7-8 weeks he started to act crazy so he demands his engine by week 9 heads finish or not, so they offer him the short block and keep top end, he wants engine done. Heads not done all the way they will not make the right power.He made that choice and they could not dyno all his parts for the engine to run were MOPAR PARTS THEY WONT FIT A BBC.As for the shop its has 2 honing machines CV-16-SERDI-SUPER FLOW ALOT - HE HAS BEEN THERE FOR 23 YEARS AND BUILDS LOW 4.00 OR BETTER PRO MOD TO SREET,STRIP. SO ITS SORRY ONE BAD APPLE HAS TO WRITE SOME THING BAD ABOUT THEM.

[TheRabbit]

I don't know about them,but you don't want to do any business with Naylor Racing engines in Dalzell SC. that have the big ad on here 565,582,600 cu in engines that make a 1000+hp for $10,500.Well I brought a 632 cu in engine from them on the invoice & were I paid the Bill its says 1100+ hp and I paid more for this than the 600 cu in engine to get more than 1,000+ hp,well this 632 cu in engine that cost more & I am sure makes more hp than the 600 cu in engines he offers would not make 950 hp I have the invoice & the the dyno sheets to prove this.After getting a notice from RJ to beware of another scammer on here I reported Naylor racing engines to them.I have not heard anything back from them yet.

Please post invoice and dyno sheets so we can look at them.
Cover up your address, but I do want to see that it came from the shop you stated and a detailed list of parts on invoice.

Have you hear that you cant please every one well no one can please mrmopar he is not all there. He had Naylor build him a 632 with dart 400m and a dart tunnel ram intake heads for $11500..00 .He said that he could not afford good heads on a 632 so jimmy set him up with dart 400m heads and intake to help then he would fully port heads at NO CHARGE to help him if would let the shop work the heads in between jobs so he could do them for free.It took dart 4 weeks to get heads to them the work started after 2 more weeks cambers we done and v.j, the heads no work from dart.After 7-8 weeks he started to act crazy so he demands his engine by week 9 heads finish or not, so they offer him the short block and keep top end, he wants engine done. Heads not done all the way they will not make the right power.He made that choice and they could not dyno all his parts for the engine to run were MOPAR PARTS THEY WONT FIT A BBC.As for the shop its has 2 honing machines CV-16-SERDI-SUPER FLOW ALOT - HE HAS BEEN THERE FOR 23 YEARS AND BUILDS LOW 4.00 OR BETTER PRO MOD TO SREET,STRIP. SO ITS SORRY ONE BAD APPLE HAS TO WRITE SOME THING BAD ABOUT THEM.

Thanks for posting. There are 2 sides to every story. Now that we have some replies from both parties lets figure this out.

[mrmopar622]

I have the invoice & dyno sheets, might need a little help getting them posted on here. But the invoice & the dyno sheets will prove my side of this scam and hopefully will prevent other racers from getting scammed by Naylor(Proaction Heads) Racing. As per their ad #1418969, you think you are sending your hard earned money to a high quality race shop, but believe me, you need to go check their shop out before you send any money. Thanks
P.S. On a lot of sites, there is a "browse" you can click on to post pictures like on the "for sale" here on racingjunk I really need to get the invoice & dyno sheets posted asap so the rest of you racers can see first hand who's scamming who.

[mrmopar622]

Have you hear that you cant please every one well no one can please mrmopar he is not all there. He had Naylor build him a 632 with dart 400m and a dart tunnel ram intake heads for $11500..00 .He said that he could not afford good heads on a 632 so jimmy set him up with dart 400m heads and intake to help then he would fully port heads at NO CHARGE to help him if would let the shop work the heads in between jobs so he could do them for free.It took dart 4 weeks to get heads to them the work started after 2 more weeks cambers we done and v.j, the heads no work from dart.After 7-8 weeks he started to act crazy so he demands his engine by week 9 heads finish or not, so they offer him the short block and keep top end, he wants engine done. Heads not done all the way they will not make the right power.He made that choice and they could not dyno all his parts for the engine to run were MOPAR PARTS THEY WONT FIT A BBC.As for the shop its has 2 honing machines CV-16-SERDI-SUPER FLOW ALOT - HE HAS BEEN THERE FOR 23 YEARS AND BUILDS LOW 4.00 OR BETTER PRO MOD TO SREET,STRIP. SO ITS SORRY ONE BAD APPLE HAS TO WRITE SOME THING BAD ABOUT THEM.

When you pay a deposit and told your engine will be ready in 5-6 weeks max and it takes 14 weeks, and when you call to check on the progress and are given the run around by Tom(Proaction Heads), is that being hard to please?
When you tell an engine builder you want an engine that makes at least 1100 hp and he says he will have to work up a price & will send an invoice and you receive the invoice from him and don't question his price but ask him will this engine combination make 1100 or more hp and he tells you look on the invoice, it is printed there. Now if this engine you paid Naylor(Proaction Heads) Racing his price quote on invoice and the engine only makes a best of 947 hp - would anyone else be satisfied with this? Am I being hard to please in wanting what I paid for??

[mrmopar622]

Is there anyone who would be willing to pm me their email address so I can send you the original invoice from Naylor and the dyno sheets that could post them for everyone on here to see? I know there is two sides to every story and I'm not asking anyone to take sides, just need a little help to get these posted. If it will help in someone helping to get these posted, if you will send me a fax number I will pay someone to fax this information to you. If anyone just wants to see this info for themselves just pm me your email address & I will get them to you. If you would like to talk with me about this matter, pm me your telephone number & a good time for me to call you & we will talk. It's all about racers helping racers!! Thanks,

[TheRabbit]

Is there anyone who would be willing to pm me their email address so I can send you the original invoice from Naylor and the dyno sheets that could post them for everyone on here to see? I know there is two sides to every story and I'm not asking anyone to take sides, just need a little help to get these posted. If it will help in someone helping to get these posted, if you will send me a fax number I will pay someone to fax this information to you. If anyone just wants to see this info for themselves just pm me your email address & I will get them to you. If you would like to talk with me about this matter, pm me your telephone number & a good time for me to call you & we will talk. It's all about racers helping racers!! Thanks,

I will PM you some info. I got your PM this morning, but haven't had a chance to reply.

As for my mention of 2 sides to every story, it's just that. Not taking any sides until I look at what both sides have.

I will say this, $15k is a really low amount of money for a 1,000hp + motor. If that's what is advertised then that's what it should be.

[shawnp]

I agree Rabbit. Most builders start motors at the HP level for $18K-$19K. I would expect to get a used motor for that price. I know what I have my motor in the classifieds for. It's a season old and I don't think I would take $15K for it.

Then again, if you didn't go shaft rockers, went chain and not belt, standard lifters and didn't opt for a big name head and intake package, you probably could get close to $15K but stretch to get to the 1000hp number.

I am curious to see the invoice and what went into this motor.

[mrmopar622]

I have spent the last hour & half trying to figure out a way to post the invoice, final bill of sale & dyno sheet, even tried copying & pasting but no luck. I am not giving up, I will keep trying!! In the meantime, would be happy to email them to anyone interested in seeing. ThanksNote: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled.
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[TheRabbit]

I have spent the last hour & half trying to figure out a way to post the invoice, final bill of sale & dyno sheet, even tried copying & pasting but no luck. I am not giving up, I will keep trying!! In the meantime, would be happy to email them to anyone interested in seeing. ThanksNote: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled.
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Send it to me at [email protected] I will be glad to post it for us to look at.


I will remove the buyers last name and any personal phone numbers before I post it.

Thanks

[TheRabbit]

I have a copy of the invoice. I'll get it posted later this afternoon when I get off work and have a little more time.

[TheRabbit]

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t288/rabbit548/hpqscan0004.jpg


I have some other pages too. They're still to small to read so I'll crop 'em and blow 'em up as soon as I get a chance.

It says Model 1100+ hp.


I also received an email from the builder on the build of this motor and will give some info on that later too.




I will say this, this is a LOT of motor for a very good price! I'm still trying to figure out the entire build / communication during all this.

I will post more when I have some more time.

[hammertime]

Although I say 11500 is a good price for whats there but I know a lot of decent shops that will do a 1000+ hp engine for 14-15k

[mrmopar622]

hammertime,if you talked with the owner of one of those shops and told him you wanted a 1000+hp engine and he give you a written estimate for $14,500.00.And when you called him you did not question his price,only ask him if he would GUARANTEE it make a 1,000+ hp and he replied YES I PUT IT ON THE INVOICE,it will make closer to 1,050-1,060 hp. And with that GUARANTEE you give him half the $$$ at that time & when finished paid him the rest. If the engine only made 847 hp,would you be satisfied?
That's what this is about not the price.
He advertises his 1,000+hp engines on here for $10,500,ad# 1418969,but as you will see when the dyno sheets are posted their engines don't make what they advertise.

Thanks everyone for all the Help & Input!

[mrmopar622]

I think after Rabbit post the dyno results for everyone to see,if Naylor doesn't step up and do the right thing I will spend the Winter months posting this about them on every Racing site I can find,and there are quite a few.
When we put the engine on the Dyno and found out it was not oiling to the rockers and instead of getting the right intake gasket they used 2 and one had slipped leaking water into the lifter galley(can you say $80+ again for new oil & filter)plus $200.00 labor to fix the oiling problem,I called and tried to talk to Naylor and they would not even talk to me.After the engine was Dynoed and it only made a best of 947 hp(you can see on the invoice they guaranteed a 1100+ hp engine) I sent them a e-mail with all the information,and told them I thought it was only right that they compensate for the additional work that had to be done to make it right(if it had not been caught it would have ruined the engine) and about the lack of Horse-Power and their reply was NO REPLY at all.
I'm hoping that when all this comes out in the open Racing Junk will see this and put a stop to Naylor advertising High Horse-Power engines that don't make anywhere close to the hp they are suppose to make,and keeps other racers from being Scammed out of their $$$.

[mrmopar622]

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[mrmopar622]

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Testing

[mrmopar622]

http://imageshack.us/a/img9/7622/dynop2.jpg
testing

[mrmopar622]

As you can see, the two posts above have the dyno results. If you look a few posts above that you can see the Naylor invoice that clearly states 1100+ hp and you can clearly see on the dyno sheet it made a best of 947 hp. So you know if this engine from Naylor that was supposed to make 1100+ hp did not come close to making 1000 hp the smaller engines they advertise in their ads will not come as close as the 632 cu in engine did. What would you call this - scam, fraud, false advertising or internet rip off?? It sure isn't fair business practice!! If someone advertises 1000 hp or 1100 hp, they should deliver. I am planing to make another post so hopefully Racing Junk will turn their attention to them. It looks like I am out my money but hopefully something can be done to stop others from paying for something they don't get.

[hammertime]

I've been following along a bit .. A few thoughts
1. I can clearly see on the dyno sheet that wasn't a full pull, and it well be well into the 1050 area once it was pulled to the rpm these engines actually make power 7600 rpm area.

2. Its a dyno, if he wanted to make it say 900 or make it say 1200 .. its easy to do, so basing buying a engine off of dyno power is silly, you buy a engine based on the parts you put together. The parts you have there easily will make 950 real power all day. I ran that head out of box on a 548 ci engine and made 967hp with it, you have the parts to make good power.

3. Whats this thing run in a car and at what weight ... that's the true dyno IMO Of course, you have to get everything right to go along with this.

I am not saying you shouldn't be upset, but I am saying if you wanted 1100hp its easy to make a dyno say that, clearly this wasn't what the engine builder was after. With the parts and price you got, it was a steal IMO

[mrmopar622]

hammertime,Sorry the print is so small,I did not know how to enlarge it,but they are full pulls when a engine starts to drop horse-power there is no need to keep going higher on the RPM. After 6400 RPM the engine started losing Horse-Power. I'm like you I think it should have kept making hp till @ least 7200-7400 RPM but it would not,those are the best pulls out of the 10 that was made,we did turn it up to 7,000 RPM's to see if it would start to pick the hp back up and it did not. And I also agree with you a 565 should be in the 950 hp range.If it would have made in the 1,050-1,075 hp range it would not have been made the horse-power I wanted or what Naylor said it would make,and that would have not been so bad.Heck I would have chalked it up to no dyno is going to be the same,but 153 hp less and a engine that like you said should make hp up to the mid 7,000 RPM but starts losing hp after 6400 RPM.The intake had to come off because it was not getting oil to the rockers & the intake ports looked like the exhaust ports they had not been touched,it appears they just put the engine together with very little-no machine work.
Would anyone else on here be happy if the 1100+hp engine they paid Naylor to build(I told him I wanted a engine that would make 1100+hp and he choose the parts and give me a quote for what he would build it for,I did not ask or try to get him to lower the price paid him what he asked)and it only made 947 hp?Would any other Honest engine builder have made it right? I will buy into the fact anyone can make a mistake,but if they do shouldn't they make it right? Well I would have thought Naylor(ProAction Heads)would have also,"BUT THEY DID NOT"!

PS I made a mistake after we got a base line on the tune up we turned it to 7400 not 7000 and it lost 19 hp.

[shawnp]

Maybe I missed it, but what caused you to take a new motor that the builder gave you a dyno sheet on and take it to the dyno your self or to start pulling the motor apart? Did you make any runs on the motor?

[mrmopar622]

The agreement made with Jimmy Naylor on the engine build when completed he would have it on the dyno so I could watch the dyno pulls. He also told me the engine would be ready in 5-6 weeks Max, so after 12 weeks of getting the run around from Tom, the parts man, I went up to Naylor's shop. Tom, the parts man, and one young guy(looked to be 18-20 years old) were the only ones there, Jimmy was gone for the weekend, but if I would wait til 11:30-12:00 when the two engine builders come in their normal time, I could talk to them. When they got there I ask them did they dyno many engines(I had already seen the outdated dyno looked like it had not been run in months), they told me in the time they had been there they had not dynoed any engines due to the fact the water brake was messed up on the dyno. This was on a Friday, when I called back on Monday & talked with Jimmy & asked him about the dyno he said his helpers did not know what they were talking about & I did not need to worry about it because he was going to dyno it for free(if you will notice above the agreement was it would be on the dyno when I was suppose to pick the engine up) but now he was not going to dyno it at all. My answering machine accidentally recorded this conversation and I still have it. So I had no choice but to take it to someone else to dyno it. I took it to one of the best in the Southeast, he nothing to gain or lose on the dyno results. As for taking the engine apart, it was not getting any oil up to the rocker arms, this had to be fixed. If that was not bad enough instead of using the correct thickness intake manifold gasket, they used two and one had slipped leaking water down into the intake galley into the engine. What might have been a good deal turned into a nightmare.

[shawnp]

I don't know about them,but you don't want to do any business with Naylor Racing engines in Dalzell SC. that have the big ad on here 565,582,600 cu in engines that make a 1000+hp for $10,500.Well I brought a 632 cu in engine from them on the invoice & were I paid the Bill its says 1100+ hp and I paid more for this than the 600 cu in engine to get more than 1,000+ hp,well this 632 cu in engine that cost more & I am sure makes more hp than the 600 cu in engines he offers would not make 950 hp I have the invoice & the the dyno sheets to prove this.After getting a notice from RJ to beware of another scammer on here I reported Naylor racing engines to them.I have not heard anything back from them yet.

Please post invoice and dyno sheets so we can look at them.
Cover up your address, but I do want to see that it came from the shop you stated and a detailed list of parts on invoice.

Have you hear that you cant please every one well no one can please mrmopar he is not all there. He had Naylor build him a 632 with dart 400m and a dart tunnel ram intake heads for $11500..00 .He said that he could not afford good heads on a 632 so jimmy set him up with dart 400m heads and intake to help then he would fully port heads at NO CHARGE to help him if would let the shop work the heads in between jobs so he could do them for free.It took dart 4 weeks to get heads to them the work started after 2 more weeks cambers we done and v.j, the heads no work from dart.After 7-8 weeks he started to act crazy so he demands his engine by week 9 heads finish or not, so they offer him the short block and keep top end, he wants engine done. Heads not done all the way they will not make the right power.He made that choice and they could not dyno all his parts for the engine to run were MOPAR PARTS THEY WONT FIT A BBC.As for the shop its has 2 honing machines CV-16-SERDI-SUPER FLOW ALOT - HE HAS BEEN THERE FOR 23 YEARS AND BUILDS LOW 4.00 OR BETTER PRO MOD TO SREET,STRIP. SO ITS SORRY ONE BAD APPLE HAS TO WRITE SOME THING BAD ABOUT THEM.

Thanks for posting. There are 2 sides to every story. Now that we have some replies from both parties lets figure this out.

Curious if proactionheads wants to say anything now that all the info from the customer has been laid out.

[TheRabbit]

Curious if proactionheads wants to say anything now that all the info from the customer has been laid out.

I have several messages through RJ and email from both parties about this that I haven't posted. I don't see any reason pro action wouldn't want me to post the emails sent to me, but let me see if he wants to add to this for himself before I do that.

I haven't replied back to either much, but both guys have been very nice to me and have thanked me for posted what little I have about this.


By the info I have I can see the issues they have. Somewhere in this is some conversation(s) / communication that I'm missing and that's the piece of the puzzle I need to find out. I just haven't had much time to do it.

I do feel pretty sure that this could be resolved and both guys
happy with the results. JMO!