nos

[hotrod1994]

looking to possibly spray a stock 5.3 with a 100 shot i have 4.88 gears how will it work ? not looking for 1/4 mile times just looking for a quick street car that can get the job done 30" tire

[coloradoracerguy]

Don't see any reason why you can't............

Just an FYI though, "nos" as you put it is actually "NOS", or short for Nitrous Oxide Systems.......You can put nitrous on your vehicle, or "spray" it. It annoys the hell out of me when people say I have "nos" on the car......

Just ranting.........

[TheYellaBrick]

Thank that totally unrealistic, all drama queens and ricers 'Fast and Furious' cult film,.. and we're not talking about government gun running to the Mexican cartels.......

[hotrod1994]

yeah i know but i did want to write out nitrous oxide systems to much work hahaha.

[chevynovaman]

MIGHT AS WELL GO WITH A 200 SHOT IF YOUR GOING TO MESS WITH "NOS" THE 5.3 WILL NEED SOME GOOD FLOWING HEADERS TO BE BENIFICIAL. ALSO IF YOUR STALL CONVERTER IS NOT SETUP FOR NOS IT COULD POSSIBLY REDLINE WHEN YOU HIT THE BUTTON, OR TO LOOSE.. YOU NEED A TIGHTER OR LOWER STALL SPEED TO KEEP THE RPMS DOWN.. STOP IN SOMETIME, R.C.

[hotrod1994]

yeah im still debating a 5.3 or a 6.0 6.0 without spray or a 5.3 with

[hotrod1994]

if i pick up a 6.0 and just put headers on it and tune what electrical stuff do i need out of the vehical?

[coloradoracerguy]

yeah i know but i did want to write out nitrous oxide systems to much work hahaha.

That's the name of one of the first companies to start building nitrous systems for automotive performance use..............they are currently owned by Holley.....

From the questions you're asking now, I'd leave your project to a builder with more experience/knowledge.............You can't just throw something together and expect it to work properly or live very long.....Especially if you're playing with nitrous...........the stuff isn't very forgiving, even at low hp levels........and there is more to it than just bolting on a kit......Better do your homework

[chevynovaman]

if i pick up a 6.0 and just put headers on it and tune what electrical stuff do i need out of the vehical?

QUESTION? CARBED OR INJECTED.. IF YOU GO CARBED YOU NEED TO GET THE MSD LS BOX, THEN ITS ONLY ONE HOT WIRE TO IT, AND WIRES FROM THE BOX PLUG INTO CRANK SENSOR, CAM SENSOR, AND COIL PACKS.. SIMPLE AS IT GETS... IF YOU GO INJECTED YOU WILL NEED TO REWORK A ORIGINAL SILVERADO HARNESS OR GET ONE CUSTOM BUILT, COMPUTER FLASHED, IF YOU DO A BIGGER CAM INJECTED, WILL BE SOME TIME CUSTOM TUNING..
ANYTIME YOU WANT TO BENCH RACE, STOP IN THE SHOP, THE DOORS HAVE BEEN CLOSED LATELY WITH THE HEAT... R.C.

[hotrod1994]

im thinking carb cause its gonna be easier... but i want to to keep the millage will the carb affect it much? ive been looking around around on fourms about the swap quite a bit
... yeah colorado im well aware its not just bolt on and go the timing has to be retarded as well as a number of other things... never really been into having someone else doing it for me id rather do it with the help of a friend

[hotrod1994]

ryan ill stop out some time... ive been pretty busy lately and that heat was killer 105+ heat index thats crazy but ill be getting ready and out at iola this week... if your heading out there stop by and say hi we have spot BA-104 right next to gate 10 same spot as when you picked up that 348 block from us.... but thanks for all the help so far i really appreciate it
thanks - logan

[chevynovaman]

LOGAN,
IF YOU CAN READ INTSRUCTIONS, INSTALLING NOS IS A BREEZE, IT IS REALLY SIMPLE HORSEPOWER... I WILL COME SEE YOU AT IOLA FOR SURE, WHAT DAY ARE YOU GOING?
YOU WILL STILL GET GOOD MILEAGE WITH A CARB.

[hotrod1994]

ill be there Wednesday till saturday night trying to sell some of my junk hahaha

[TheRabbit]

The only bad part about nitrous is you start with 100 and like it. Next thing you know you're putting 200, then ...... When it finally comes apart you'll know where to stop. lol.
Just keep in your mind that anything over 150hp and IT WILL BLOW UP
and you'll love it!
I know somebody in the same boat. It started with 250hp and now .........

[hotrod1994]

yeah i might give it a shot but like ryan said the convert has to be for nos the guys that i got mine from said it good for 600 hp no problem but no nos so id have to pick up a different torque converter... car craft did a 6.0 with a carb and headers and made 430 hp stock so i think a 6.0 it is time to start buying parts for the swap

[bjuice]

nt getting into long drawn out post, but I will mention some key areas you need to consort with a high performance engine builder with Nitrous experience,

1- Camshaft- must be a Nitrous grind .
2- adequate fuel system to support the Nitrous and Engine, if not you will need a dedicated system for Nitrous.
3- Proper ring gap and a forged Piston
4- timing retard system.
5- proper converter for Nitrous
6- learn proper bottle pressure before activating
7- Proper head gaskets and I would recommend studding the heads


its not just bolting this stuff on and pushing a button..just not that simple

[dragonmaster093]

ahh come on Bj just bolt on the biggest set up and hit the button for a summa motor summa the parts here and summa the parts there and the ones that stay in the car look like they came from chernobel lol :twisted:

[bjuice]

ahh come on Bj just bolt on the biggest set up and hit the button for a summa motor summa the parts here and summa the parts there and the ones that stay in the car look like they came from chernobel lol :twisted:

well ya got a point..if all he is looking for is one pass it might just do the trick.....lol

[BEAST477]

ahh come on Bj just bolt on the biggest set up and hit the button for a summa motor summa the parts here and summa the parts there and the ones that stay in the car look like they came from chernobel lol :twisted:

well ya got a point..if all he is looking for is one pass it might just do the trick.....lol

Yeah he just has to build it. :wink: I've lost track on how many different combos he inquired about. :lol:

[mopar1968]

Shoot put a 600 fogger system on it and go for it :!: :!:

[BEAST477]

Shoot put a 600 fogger system on it and go for it :!: :!:

That would be the easy way to get 1000hp. :wink:

[bjuice]

Shoot put a 600 fogger system on it and go for it :!: :!:

That would be the easy way to get 1000hp. :wink:


and dail in 40 degree's of timing ( leave it there) and put 1400 lbs of bottle presssure and bring in the 600 shot all at once ....button on steering wheel..who needs WOT switch.

ps:
by standers take cover of Flying heavy metal ojects..often reffered to as a grenade..I endorse this message...lol

[mopar1968]

Shoot put a 600 fogger system on it and go for it :!: :!:

That would be the easy way to get 1000hp. :wink:


and dail in 40 degree's of timing ( leave it there) and put 1400 lbs of bottle presssure and bring in the 600 shot all at once ....button on steering wheel..who needs WOT switch.

ps:
by standers take cover of Flying heavy metal ojects..often reffered to as a grenade..I endorse this message...lol




Shhh don't tell them that :!: :!: :lol: :lol:


Mark

[hotrod1994]

yep beast just looking at the options only a Fool dives head first into something without know ALL of his options

[chevynovaman]

HOW MANY PEOPLE ON HERE HAVE HURT A ENGINE FROM SPRAYING?

I'M SURE ITS DONE ITS DAMAGE,, I HAVE ONLY SEEN ONE BREAK FROM NOS IN THE LAST 15 YEARS, AND HE WAS SPRAYING A 350 SHOT ON A STOCK LOW END 5.3 AND PULLED TOP OF PISTON OFF AFTER COUPLE SEASONS BECAUSE HE NEVER OPENED THE RING GAP FROM STOCK...
BUT, I DID BLOW A FORD 9 INCH IN MY NOVA THE FIRST TIME SPRAYED 150 SHOT AT THE STRIP...
THANKS HAVE A GOOD DAY..

[fast75vega]

yep beast just looking at the options only a Fool dives head first into something without know ALL of his options

grandpa always said their is no such thing as a dumb question...... :)

[bjuice]

HOW MANY PEOPLE ON HERE HAVE HURT A ENGINE FROM SPRAYING?

I'M SURE ITS DONE ITS DAMAGE,, I HAVE ONLY SEEN ONE BREAK FROM NOS IN THE LAST 15 YEARS, AND HE WAS SPRAYING A 350 SHOT ON A STOCK LOW END 5.3 AND PULLED TOP OF PISTON OFF AFTER COUPLE SEASONS BECAUSE HE NEVER OPENED THE RING GAP FROM STOCK...
BUT, I DID BLOW A FORD 9 INCH IN MY NOVA THE FIRST TIME SPRAYED 150 SHOT AT THE STRIP...
THANKS HAVE A GOOD DAY..

i run 10.5 Outlaw series where Nitrous is widely used..I have to go to a funeral home right now but when I get back I will give you names many of them including me...but to leave you with a surprising thought many engines are hurt for being to Fat on the fuel side lifting ring lands therefore hurting whataver happens to be in its path...i will answer more of your question later....trust me hurting a engine using Nitrous is not a myth..i promise you. 8)

[hotrod1994]

hot rod did a 5.3 build that turned out to be a 4.8 and out 25 lbs of boost to a stock engine only thing is they increased the ring gap yeah its a different power adder but i highly doubt it will hurt much i never asked if i will hurt or break anything i wanted to know how it work with the 4.88 gears i have

[chevynovaman]

i run 10.5 Outlaw series where Nitrous is widely used..I have to go to a funeral home right now but when I get back I will give you names many of them including me...but to leave you with a surprising thought many engines are hurt for being to Fat on the fuel side lifting ring lands therefore hurting whataver happens to be in its path...i will answer more of your question later....trust me hurting a engine using Nitrous is not a myth..i promise you. 8)[/quote]

I DID NOTICE THIS YEAR WHEN I WAS RESEARCHING THE NOS JETS, THEY HAVE A NEW JETTING CHART WHICH I DIDNT KNOW, COMPARING TO MY OLD PAPERWORK WITH THE NEW CHART AND THEY HAVE DROPPED THE FUEL SIDE JETTING ALOT... I CALLED THE TECH AND HE SAID MOST OF ALL THE OLD KITS WERE WAY TO FAT ON THE FUEL SIDE..
THANKS

[TheRabbit]

i run 10.5 Outlaw series where Nitrous is widely used..I have to go to a funeral home right now but when I get back I will give you names many of them including me...but to leave you with a surprising thought many engines are hurt for being to Fat on the fuel side lifting ring lands therefore hurting whataver happens to be in its path...i will answer more of your question later....trust me hurting a engine using Nitrous is not a myth..i promise you. 8)

I DID NOTICE THIS YEAR WHEN I WAS RESEARCHING THE NOS JETS, THEY HAVE A NEW JETTING CHART WHICH I DIDNT KNOW, COMPARING TO MY OLD PAPERWORK WITH THE NEW CHART AND THEY HAVE DROPPED THE FUEL SIDE JETTING ALOT... I CALLED THE TECH AND HE SAID MOST OF ALL THE OLD KITS WERE WAY TO FAT ON THE FUEL SIDE..
THANKS[/quote]

With big shots of nitrous it all depends on how each engine is designed. What kind of heads, combustion chamber work, cam, timing, etc. There are so many factors that come with running big amounts of nitrous.
It's easy to get by with 100 to 200hp of it and have fun with it. However even that will find the weak links such as driveshafts, axles, u joints, etc. Popular thing around here is to buy a used 6.0 chevy and put a ton of nitrous on it till she blows. They're tuff, cheap motors and the guys usually just laugh when they come apart.
Nothing is more fun than having a motor that you don't care if it blows up or not. There usually the ones that last the longest too.

To agree with the statement that all of the older suggestions are way fat is an understatement. SpeedTech's suggestion sheet is so fat (4 point spread) most want make it down the track once without problems.

[bjuice]

looking to possibly spray a stock 5.3 with a 100 shot i have 4.88 gears how will it work ? not looking for 1/4 mile times just looking for a quick street car that can get the job done 30" tire

well come on Now mrbigtrucks, yes I agree you did ask how Nitrous would work with a 488 gear but you said much more then just that one liner.
which opened pandoras box.....see your Original Post above

No -One could possibly answer that question without starting at point A thru point z of nitrous basics. just saying

[TheYellaBrick]

That's a given 'round here anyway, kids ! Ask a question and we're gonna take all sorts of side streets ! Par for the course, and most actually learn something new anyway ! I sure do ! Knowledge abounds here !
"Peace, out"

[BEAST477]

yep beast just looking at the options only a Fool dives head first into something without know ALL of his options


Well "mrbigtrucks" or Logan, I just went back and reread some of your first posts and from what I gather you already have a 355 in your '76 camaro, with a comp ratio somewhere between 9.5 and 11 to1? :? With many different parts already on hand. I guess I'm a little confused as to what you are building then.
Sorry if I came across wrong. I guess I'm getting too old to keep up. Carry on.

[dragonmaster093]

hey beast and over the last year or so asked about a bbc he was planning on doing too

from sept last yr
http://forums.racingjunk.com/viewtopic.php?t=17216&highlight=

[hotrod1994]

its all good beast i have asked about quite a few combinations i was just looking for hp estimates for some stuff i had "laying around" minus heads cam etc...

right now i have a mild sbc 350 stock bottom end 9.3:1 1.94 heads torker intake and 650dp.... 3200 stall 4.88's and m/t sportsmans right now... 350 hp aint bad but it aint enough

ive got a few blocks and sets of pistons and rings just trying to figure out what to spend the little money i have on just looking at all my options to upgrade but with the millage i get now the 5.3 or 6.0 should work great
but thanks for the help i appreciate it

not to worried about nos ive got a few good buddies that i trust with helping me tune for it... if it blows it blows it happens thats hot rodding and racing


dragonmaster if you would read i said i was looking at my options at the time i could have picked up a 454 2 bolt block for 50 bucks... just a kid trying to get the most bang for littlest buck... but my th350 and 8.5 10 bolt would have needed upgrading so im looking to go another route

- thanks logan

[BEAST477]

If you can pickup that 454 block that cheap and it's a good one you could make a few bucks easy.

[hotrod1994]

my buddy had it not sure if he still does ill have to check

[bjuice]

my buddy had it not sure if he still does ill have to check


ok I read your last Post and I am with you little more then I was..your young and want to know how you can go the quickest for less....right ?...if thats the cae I respect that.

Now the question... what are your expectations as far as how Quick you want to run and when I say run we talking about street car? or drag car 1/8 or 1/4 ? and what kind of car we speaking of ?

[hotrod1994]

more of a street car idk id say for around here by where i live you get your street car into the 11's and your pretty quick and will put a whoopin on most not all but most.... car craft did a 6.0 build they put a carb on, headers and a gmpp hot cam and made 480 hp and got good millage so i like that idea

ive got a 76 camaro id likr to keep my th350 with 3200 stall and my 8.5 rear with 4.88's

im going to look at a 400 block (100 bucks) later for a s10 i picked up from my uncle for a dam good price came with a cage and other junk looking to build it into a drag truck

yep just a kid that wants to learn as much as i can about cars engines etc i know quite a bit, alot more than other kids in my town and can build and fabricate most things but i know theres plenty of things left to learn

thanks- logan

[bjuice]

logan when I was 16-17 years old I owned several 2nd generation camaro's, drove one to high school...maybe it was a fluke ( I'm sure it was) but here is what I put together with very Little Money and it ran 7.60's in the 1/8th mile on street tires thru the mufflers foot brake. 1980-1981

It was a 350 block ( high nickle material content)..I bought an alliance lifter and camshaft from AUTOSHACK (You would not remember that auto chain)
all I can remember it was a 292 duration around a 480 lift...Hydraulic anitpump up lifters...( long before hydraulic rollers came out for street cars)

I got a set of double hump 300hp heads had them shaved about 20ths just to clean them up...I am guess the compression ratio was 10:1 or slightly higher....ran a converter from a junk yard back then you could find old junk Vega's and use their converters...it will stall about 3500 and would last about a month...we would buy another for $10.00 bucks and put it in....
I stumbled across a tunnel ram with a pair of 465 Holleys..notice not too big on the carbs...ran a 4.11 gear

this car took care of most anything local.......I am sure the set up was a fluke and only a hand full of times you run across a combo that just runs like a bat out of hell. I had no idea what I was putting together...but it worked and was very fast for a 16 yr old..


I have a pump gas 406ci in a 69 camaro right now and it is Very,very QUICK on the street ,,,again nothing fancy...solid lift cam about a 5.10 lift, 3,000 tci stahl,vic jr intake port matched to the heads,just a rough bowl blend with a little work on the heads....remember you do not want a All out port job on your street heads...just enough.

they got so much out Now... I mean you could go out here and buy a 500 hp engine dynoed and ready to go for around the $5,000 range . A True 500hp engine on the street in a small block is more then enough to get the job done..I would peronally stay away from steel headed BBC at this point...the added weight vs. what you would have to spend to over come it would not off set itself cost wise for you.....JMO

[hotrod1994]

ok thanks bjuice i picked up the 400 block for 100 bucks got her all tore apart ready to sit till i get the camaro the way i want her then the 400 is going into a s10 that i got from my uncle

[roadkill2]

Rabbit's partial Post:It's easy to get by with 100 to 200hp of it and have fun with it. However even that will find the weak links such as driveshafts, axles, u joints, etc. Popular thing around here is to buy a used 6.0 chevy and put a ton of nitrous on it till she blows. They're tuff, cheap motors and the guys usually just laugh when they come apart.
Nothing is more fun than having a motor that you don't care if it blows up or not.

While it might be just about the funniest thing one of those guys did, did they go back in the staging lanes and ask any of those who'll sit in the lanes for up to an hour while their mess gets mopped up how really funny it was? Probably not. Especially the guys with big tires and HP . .

Gotta tell you, from both a former track manager's place and as a racer, nothing pisses me off more than a dick who takes a grenade out on a pass he knows may seal coat the track . . Personally, I always want to mop a 125° race track with the guy who oiled it and then acted like he really didn't give a shit!

I'm not talking down to anyone, but if people really care about their fellow racers, they just don't do that stuff!

[BEAST477]

Rabbit's partial Post:It's easy to get by with 100 to 200hp of it and have fun with it. However even that will find the weak links such as driveshafts, axles, u joints, etc. Popular thing around here is to buy a used 6.0 chevy and put a ton of nitrous on it till she blows. They're tuff, cheap motors and the guys usually just laugh when they come apart.
Nothing is more fun than having a motor that you don't care if it blows up or not.

While it might be just about the funniest thing one of those guys did, did they go back in the staging lanes and ask any of those who'll sit in the lanes for up to an hour while their mess gets mopped up how really funny it was? Probably not. Especially the guys with big tires and HP . .

Gotta tell you, from both a former track manager's place and as a racer, nothing pisses me off more than a dick who takes a grenade out on a pass he knows may seal coat the track . . Personally, I always want to mop a 125° race track with the guy who oiled it and then acted like he really didn't give a s!

I'm not talking down to anyone, but if people really care about their fellow racers, they just don't do that stuff!

I didn't see anywhere in Rabbit's post that it said anything about going to a track and blowing one up so someone could clean up the mess.
If you paid attention Rabbit plays a whole different game than most of us.

[dragonmaster093]

x2 beast I would like to see them "clean " dirt :shock: :lol:

[roadkill2]

Beast, not being a wiseass to Rabbit, but a general comment on stuff that happens all too often on the strip as well.

Up here, three weeks ago, it was 109° in the staging lanes, and we got to wait about another 30 minutes for a clean up for a dickhead who had been beating his chest about how stout his "Cheap" motor was . . It was a ball out there!

It's just something wot pisses me off . . .

[fast75vega]

nitrous is for pussies .....yeah i said it.....lol i prefer all throttle and no bottle .... :)

[hotrod1994]

yeah im not a BIG fan i but i like cheap power and going fast for cheap

[chevynovaman]

nitrous is for pussies .....yeah i said it.....lol i prefer all throttle and no bottle .... :)


I ONCE THOUGHT THIS WAY, UNTIL I WAS SICK OF GETTING MY ASS HANDED TO ME FROM THE NOS CARS...

[hotrod1994]

i forgot to add i dont like loosing either

Ryan it looks like you'll be the guy to beat now... Saturday ill be watching good luck let em have it

[chevynovaman]

THANKS

[hotrod1994]

Ryan that elcamino is fast you got everyone by 1/2 a second way to go and you took the burnout contest too way to go man
-logan

[chevynovaman]

Ryan that elcamino is fast you got everyone by 1/2 a second way to go and you took the burnout contest too way to go man
-logan

ACTUALLY THE DUCK TRUCK I BUILT THIS WEEK IN THE 33 CLASS WON, SO WE WON 3 OF THE 5 EVENTS.. ALOT OF FUN TODAY..
GLAD TO SEE YOU THERE,, I THINK YOU GOT ME INTO THE FINAL ROUND AT THE BURNOUTS WITH THE ANNOUNCER, THANKS....

[hotrod1994]

yeah i seen the duck she ran petty good... time for some spray lol....
you should have won last time and your first go was the best there so there was no way i was gonna keep my mouth shut... so i figured yell bring the camaro back as loud as i could as many time as i could but glad to see ya kick some tail man good job

[bjuice]

nitrous is for pussies .....yeah i said it.....lol i prefer all throttle and no bottle .... :)

Now Now Fast Vega....lol.... :P

[fast75vega]

nitrous is for pussies .....yeah i said it.....lol i prefer all throttle and no bottle .... :)

Now Now Fast Vega....lol.... :P

lmao :) :roll: