HAPPY ENDINGS !!!!!

[lively]

According to Plantation police, two masked gunmen came into the Subway at 1949 N. Pine Rd. Just after 11 p.m. There was a lone diner, Mr. Lovell, who was finishing his meal. After robbing the cashier, the two men attempted to shove Mr. Lovell into a bathroom and rob him as well. They got his money, but then Mr. Lovell pulled his handgun and opened fire. He shot one of the thieves in the head and chest and the other in the head.

When police arrived, they found one of the men in the shop, K-9 Units found the other in the bushes of a nearby business. They also found cash strewn around the front of the sandwich shop according to Detective Robert Rettig of the Plantation Police Department.

Both men were taken to the Broward General Medical Center , where one, Donicio Arrindell, 22, of North Lauderdale died. The other, 21-year-old Frederick Gadson of Fort Lauderdale is in critical but stable condition.

Mr. Lovell was a pilot in the Marine Corps, flying former Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson. He later worked as a pilot for Pan Am and Delta Airlines.

He is not expected to be charged authorities said. ''He was in fear for his life,'' Detective Rettig said, "These criminals ought to realize that most men in their 70's have military backgrounds and aren't intimidated by idiots."

Something tells me this old Marine wasn't 'in fear for his life', even though his life was definitely at risk. The only thing he could be charged with is participating in an unfair fight. One 71- year young Marine against two punks. Two head shots and one center body mass shot.

Outstanding shooting! That'll teach them not to get between a Marine and his meal.

Florida law allows eligible citizens to carry a concealed weapon. Don't you just love a story with a happy ending?






Old people don't fight, they just shoot you.

[Harbone]

We need a concealed carry law in Illinois...

[TheYellaBrick]

That made me feel warm allll over.. Good shooting, Marine.

[TS1955]

Best story I've heard in a while.

TS1955

[TheRabbit]

One part about this made me sad.


The other, 21-year-old Frederick Gadson of Fort Lauderdale is in critical but stable condition.

It should have read ... was pronounced dead at the scene.

[mopar1968]

Chris we have a carry law here in Virginia :!: :!:


Mark

[MEMRACING62]

Illinois is dumbocrat stuck on stupid

[fast75vega]

Illinois is dumbocrat stuck on stupid

these days.. permit or not... you'd rather get caught with one then with out! i know alot of hard working.. honest people that have them but because ny is a joke to get a permit.. they just carry without one. they bought brand new hand guns so they didnt have any bodies on them in case they get caught....lol

[olds48]

We need a concealed carry law in Illinois...

Wow. I thought every state had concealed carry. Shows what I know. That sucks. I never go anywhere without mine. And yes Mopar,we have CC here in VA! hey,if ya got it,use it.

[andamo]

I just love a story with a happy ending, don't you ?

[MEMRACING62]

We need a concealed carry law in Illinois...

Wow. I thought every state had concealed carry. Shows what I know. That sucks. I never go anywhere without mine. And yes Mopar,we have CC here in VA! hey,if ya got it,use it. alot of folks here are now getting utah conceiled carry permits and just saying screw illinois....if we get caught oh well.....safety first!

[Harbone]

There is a gun club 5 miles from my house that offers a class to get a Florida concealed carry permit. I might take it in the spring. There isnt a whole lot of crime where I live but when we road trip or take the RV camping I usually have a .38 on me or near by. I figure if I do get caught its worth it to make sure my wife and I are safe at all times. I have no criminal record so if I do get caught they sure are not sending me to prison, maybe a fine.

[ghustler]

My state is a "shall issue" state and they have to give them to you if your not a felon.
I have my lifetime permit and carry all the time.
We have to because an $8 an hour factory around here "import" undesirables from Michigan down here to work and all they do is get into trouble and hang out at the projects and get white trash pregnant.

[TheYellaBrick]

Just keep this in mind;
You pull it out INTEND ON PULLING THE TRIGGER, it's NEVER a 'show-no go'. :shock: (double meaning there) :oops: 8) And once you cross that line your life will be changed DRASTICALLY in an instant. Taking a CC class by a reputable instructor is HIGHLY recommended as they also teach you the legal ramifications. THINK first but FAST! Don't panic, stay cool calm and collected. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

[fast75vega]

My state is a "shall issue" state and they have to give them to you if your not a felon.
I have my lifetime permit and carry all the time.
We have to because an $8 an hour factory around here "import" undesirables from Michigan down here to work and all they do is get into trouble and hang out at the projects and get white trash pregnant.

hell yeah.....all states should allow every legal law abiding citizen that doent have a criminal record the right to own a gun... its how this country was founded and its our right :)

[ghustler]

First thing Im going to say is:
" He came at me and said he was going to kill me and I feared for my life" and I'll go home that night.
If its in my house, we have the " Castle Doctrine' so I don't have to say nothing but, "clean up the mess".

[ajk]

Here in Wisconsin we just recieved the concealed carry right. I think Illinois is the only state left without it. We also passed the "Castle Doctrine" which makes in nearly impossible to sue a homeowner for shooting someone who has broke into their home.

[ghustler]

I hope at one of these days they pass the law where all states honor all states gun carrying permits.
Right now a trip to California would have me all over the map.

[fast75vega]

I hope at one of these days they pass the law where all states honor all states gun carrying permits.
Right now a trip to California would have me all over the map.

they got permits u can get... one is good in like 32 states but i think the other is good in 48 states but i know ny and i think cali is the other being the exception... they dont allow it

[ghustler]

Here is a document that tell who honors who's permit.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USReciprocity.pdf

[TheRabbit]

Here is a document that tell who honors who's permit.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USReciprocity.pdf

One thing crazy about this is Ga and Sc don't honor each others permits. I live less than a mile from SC and work in Sc., but would have to have permits for both states to carry a hand gun legally.

[ghustler]

Here is a document that tell who honors who's permit.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USReciprocity.pdf

One thing crazy about this is Ga and Sc don't honor each others permits. I live less than a mile from SC and work in Sc., but would have to have permits for both states to carry a hand gun legally.
That is one reason the NRA and others are trying to get them recognized just like your drivers licence.

[BEAST477]

My state is a "shall issue" state and they have to give them to you if your not a felon.
I have my lifetime permit and carry all the time.
We have to because an $8 an hour factory around here "import" undesirables from Michigan down here to work and all they do is get into trouble and hang out at the projects and get white trash pregnant.

Are you sure all the "undesirables" are from Michigan? Just saying.

[TheYellaBrick]

:D :D :D

[ghustler]

My state is a "shall issue" state and they have to give them to you if your not a felon.
I have my lifetime permit and carry all the time.
We have to because an $8 an hour factory around here "import" undesirables from Michigan down here to work and all they do is get into trouble and hang out at the projects and get white trash pregnant.

Are you sure all the "undesirables" are from Michigan? Just saying.
Yea we checked the license plates as they pulled up plus the bus that pulls up to the hotel once a month is from Michigan and lets out 30 to 40 and picks up 30 to 40!

[ghustler]

http://nraila.org/legislation/federal-legislation/2012/demand-action-on-national-right-to-carry-reciprocity-act-%281%29.aspx
This is a bill going to congress right now to pass "“National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011.”

[olds48]

DMDD is right. I carry,but you dont want to pull that gun on anyone. I did once and thankfully he scurried right along at the sight of it. It was a sick feeling that i never want to face again. I was sick to my stomach for the rest of that night. Last resort ONLY.

[ghustler]

DMDD is right. I carry,but you dont want to pull that gun on anyone. I did once and thankfully he scurried right along at the sight of it. It was a sick feeling that i never want to face again. I was sick to my stomach for the rest of that night. Last resort ONLY.
The last resort is pulling the trigger, you pulled your gun and didn't do that, your lucky he didn't get the cops after you for brandishing a gun and turn the whole thing around on you!

[outlaw256]

i dont care about any right to carry law.i had rather deal with the law while they bury the bad guy.im still alive hes dead.but i do believe a citizen should have the right to carry a gun just about anywhere he goes.but if im in a state that doesnt allow me to carry my gun i sure as hell aint gonna put it under the seat. i want that gun within reach. a gun as saved my life more than once.its a very hard thing to do.pull that trigger.but if you hesitate, you will die. i promise you, you will die. the bad guy isnt gonna think about it. hes gonna pull his gun a shoot you in the head. DO NOT HESITATE. PULL GUN AND FIRE.OR DIE.im still alive.for me its not the bad guys death or even me being the one who took it. as far as that goes i will shoot you then go eat supper. but its his family that seems to bother me. they have tolive with loosing him. he was someones son, brother or father. that part hurts. but not for to damn long.

[oldandtired]

[quote="outlaw256"] but its his family that seems to bother me. They have to live with loosing him. He was someones son, brother or father. quote]

And the first thing they will say is "he's a good boy. He just fell in with the wrong crowd".
And I say, "he was evil because of the way he was raised."

[ghustler]

[quote=outlaw256] He was someones son, brother or father. quote]

"
Whos not?
If they want some come on over and join him!

[Scooterz]

We have a CC in Oregon. Same thing as DD says, you can't brandish a gun without pulling the trigger... it is illegal. You pull it, it is because you are committed to save your own life.

[olds48]

DMDD is right. I carry,but you dont want to pull that gun on anyone. I did once and thankfully he scurried right along at the sight of it. It was a sick feeling that i never want to face again. I was sick to my stomach for the rest of that night. Last resort ONLY.
The last resort is pulling the trigger, you pulled your gun and didn't do that, your lucky he didn't get the cops after you for brandishing a gun and turn the whole thing around on you!

It's 10:30 at night in the dead of summer.He is wearing a sweat shirt with the hood up and sunglasses. He is running full speed at my girlfriend and I and there are NO other cars or people around. HE IS LUCKY that I just scared him and didn't take out the kneecap I had my sights on. I dont want to be in that situation again,but if I am i will still pull my pistol. If he keeps charging...Ill shoot.Period.

:lol: You guys shoulda seem him back-pedaling thru that parking lot :lol:

Brandishing a firearm is different from issuing a warning. If walk into a building waving a gun around you're brandishing...and stupid.If you pull out your weapon and warn someone to stop or your shoot,you just issued a warning. Just make sure you have a good,provable reason for doing so.

[ghustler]

DMDD is right. I carry,but you dont want to pull that gun on anyone. I did once and thankfully he scurried right along at the sight of it. It was a sick feeling that i never want to face again. I was sick to my stomach for the rest of that night. Last resort ONLY.
The last resort is pulling the trigger, you pulled your gun and didn't do that, your lucky he didn't get the cops after you for brandishing a gun and turn the whole thing around on you!

It's 10:30 at night in the dead of summer.He is wearing a sweat shirt with the hood up and sunglasses. He is running full speed at my girlfriend and I and there are NO other cars or people around. HE IS LUCKY that I just scared him and didn't take out the kneecap I had my sights on. I dont want to be in that situation again,but if I am i will still pull my pistol. If he keeps charging...Ill shoot.Period.

:lol: You guys shoulda seem him back-pedaling thru that parking lot :lol:

Brandishing a firearm is different from issuing a warning. If walk into a building waving a gun around you're brandishing...and stupid.If you pull out your weapon and warn someone to stop or your shoot,you just issued a warning. Just make sure you have a good,provable reason for doing so.
Your wrong but thats not my problem.
You was going to shoot a man running towards you in the knee cap?
If he was charging you then you pull the gun and shoot double tap to the chest, because dead men tell no lies.

[outlaw256]

its real easy to talk about killing and to say what you will do if....it will be real life,not like the movies.your mind will turn things over and over and over.you will feel guilty about things you did when you were a little kid.killing is the easy part,

[olds48]

ghustler,I am wrong that I was not gonna let some punk attack my girl? Or was i wrong in wanting to defend my girl and I without taking someone's life?
I don't wanna hurt anyone,i just want left alone

[ghustler]

ghustler,I am wrong that I was not gonna let some punk attack my girl? Or was i wrong in wanting to defend my girl and I without taking someone's life?
I don't wanna hurt anyone,i just want left alone
So getting attacked doesn't warrant killing someone, what was he going to do to your girl, give her a million dollars or what?
If he would have been on meth and got to her 10 bullets wouldn't have stopped him in time from knifing her in the gut, choking here neck in half or shooting her with a syringe full of poison.
Either the situation wasn't as desperate as you think or you was worrying too much about the scum bucket charging you and not enough about your girl and yourself.
Take some handgun defense classes and it will open your eyes.
Nobody wants to kill somebody and have that on their conscience but why carry a handgun if the time comes and you don't use it because they make terrible clubs!

[mytmouz]

First thing Im going to say is:
" He came at me and said he was going to kill me and I feared for my life" and I'll go home that night.
If its in my house, we have the " Castle Doctrine' so I don't have to say nothing but, "clean up the mess".

Depends. Here in Ms, we have the 'castle doctrine' and permits. Most of the time, you get to spend a night or three in jail, while they 'investigate'. And just last month, a guy was defending himself in his home, but when he dropped the pistol and did the coup de grace shotgun blast to the head to be sure the other party was down, that has him still jailed on murder charges...

[zipper06]

I have mixed emotions with shooting someone, because it's something that you can never take back or change your mind. (Mouse) i donot know anyone in Ms. or La. who doesn't carry a gun, permit or not. I personaly donot want to ever shoot anyone, but it's always a judgment call and sometimes it doesn't come out right (over jezlous prosecutor who want's to run for a larger office,etc) But i always have a 45 auto loaded in my bed headboard and if someone enters my house or shop after hrs/breakin, i will attend his funeral and appolagize to his family for his ignorance,drunk,crack,meth it doesn't matter, his problem not mine and i'll deal with it in court.

JMO

Zip.

[olds48]

ghustler,I am wrong that I was not gonna let some punk attack my girl? Or was i wrong in wanting to defend my girl and I without taking someone's life?
I don't wanna hurt anyone,i just want left alone
So getting attacked doesn't warrant killing someone, what was he going to do to your girl, give her a million dollars or what?
If he would have been on meth and got to her 10 bullets wouldn't have stopped him in time from knifing her in the gut, choking here neck in half or shooting her with a syringe full of poison.
Either the situation wasn't as desperate as you think or you was worrying too much about the scum bucket charging you and not enough about your girl and yourself.
Take some handgun defense classes and it will open your eyes.
Nobody wants to kill somebody and have that on their conscience but why carry a handgun if the time comes and you don't use it because they make terrible clubs!


That is some real sick stuff you are spewing out there. Why do you have twisted thoughts like that in your mind?! You don't know me,nor do you know everything there is to know about every subject. When I read "knifing her in the gut" I wanted to kick your teeth in.I still do.Why would you say stupid things like that?! Avoid me,please.

[ghustler]

That is some real sick stuff you are spewing out there. Why do you have twisted thoughts like that in your mind?! You don't know me,nor do you know everything there is to know about every subject. When I read "knifing her in the gut" I wanted to kick your teeth in.I still do.Why would you say stupid things like that?! Avoid me,please.
What did you think he wanted to do, dance?

[olds48]

*EDIT* Reply removed. No need to justify myself/continue this discussion.

[TheYellaBrick]

Right on Olds.....you'd just be feeding a bonfire..... :roll: :roll: :roll:

[lively]

Right on Olds.....you'd just be feeding a bonfire..... :roll: :roll: :roll:


YEP--AND WE ARE TRYING TO GET ALONG :shock:

I DID NOT START THIS THREAD SO SOME MANIAC COULD GET SPASTIC--I PUT IT HERE TO SHOW HOW YOU ARE SUPPOSE TO STAND UP FOR YOUR FREEDOMS AND RIGHTS---GHUSTLER -I AM SORRY YOU LIVE SUCH A SORRY LIFE[ONLY GOD CAN HELP YOU] EVERYTHING DOES NOT HAVE TO BE CRAZY ATTACKS AND SMARTELLACK REMARKS!!!

MY POINT--IF IT COMES DOWN TO PROTECTING MY FAMILY-I WILL NOT STOP AT ANYTHING TO DEFEND THEM[PERIOD]



LIVELY

[outlaw256]

lively, as always common sense prevails.

[Scooterz]

lively, as always common sense prevails.

Gentlemen, another controversial topic huh? I never had to take another mans life, but know a few that have. They have looked for forgiveness in the bottom of bottles... or tried to bury it in denial. Not the easiest thing to live with; as Zip mentions, there is no going back. We all sound pretty committed with our guns under the bed, or under a coat, in a shorts pocket, etc... but unless we pulled the trigger... it is hard to understand what transpires for each one of us internally... thanks be to God I have never even had to brandish mine.

Olds, if my wife or child was in danger of any kind, I would not hesitate to brandish...empty the clip regardless of good gun training. It is not about good training IMO, but about instinctual protection of your loved ones!! It is primal thing that is inherent to us all... man I would have done the same thing. I am glad you had one at that time & the option to protect yourself. The guy you pulled it on would be a FOOL to report you anyways... probably has a warrant, drug problem, criminal record, etc....

[olds48]

The Steeldrivers have a song with the lyric:"once the bullet leaves the gun the devil owns your soul"
While not completely true,is gives some perspective. I agree with you guys. Got it if I NEED it,hope I NEVER need it. My gun collecting pocket lint is just fine with me. I'm too lazy to clean it after I shoot it anyway.

[bad68backhalf]

I dont think i would lose an ounce of sleep if i had to take someones life that threatend me or my family's life.I had a freind that ran a storage center,he came out of a back room to find 2 black guys with a gun to his wifes head,he pulled his gun and shot them both,one lived and one died,he says he would do it again in a heartbeat.If he did not pull his gun out and shoot,he said him and his wife would have problely been killed . These scum today just cant rob you and leave ,they feel the need to kill.

[outlaw256]

bad68,i dont have a problem sending dirtbags to hell. i have been tested in my day. im still here so i passed the test. but i do think about the familes he leaves behind. the mom, dad sister brother. son daughter. those are the ones i think about.im sure most on here wouldnt hesitate to kill to protect their familes.what i wanted people to think about is the after, after they pull the trigger.alot happens then and i mean alot.my father was a korean war vet. when my time was here for the draft he told me he did not want me to join because for 2 reasons. one was i had a very bad attitude towards anyone that gave me trouble or talked bad to me, like drill sargents etc. and reason 2 because he believed killing would be to easy for me. it took me a few yrs to fiqure that one out but i did.and my reasons for taking a life is alot longer than the states.but i have been taught that if you have to pull your gun do not waste time thinking about it, pull gun, pull trigger. DO NOT HESITATE.OR YOU WILL BE THE ONE TO DIE.

[olds48]

Cool gun song-love this guy

recorded version- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlEb3Zxhuwg

More fun but poor sound quality- still worth a look,his bass player is HOT!!!- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAnOPcINj8g&feature=related

[TheRabbit]

Of all people I should carry a gun. Like I already mentioned I travel a lot by myself, late at night and have spent more nights on the road in a trailer / truck than I could ever count.

The last thing I want to do is shoot somebody. No, I would not have a hard time doing it if I were in danger, but I'm pretty sure it would change my life too.
It would almost have to make you look at people in a different way. I would think it would make you wonder where / who the next threat would be.

I honestly can't understand how people rob, kidnap or just kill somebody out of pure meaness.

On the other hand I'd like to set a booby trap in my shop so if a thief broke in a shotgun would blow a hole right threw him.
That would only be his / her fault for trying to steal my stuff.

[bad68backhalf]

I see where you are coming from outlaw,but it does come down to choices people make,you never know who you are messing with. Like in your case,if someone pulled a gun on you ,you would have no problem ,like you said pull and shoot. I was in a street racing accident in the early 80s,that 1 person was killed and 3 where severly injured including me and my buddy,he was driving and we blew a red light at 130mph and hit the car coming thru the intersection. There is not a day that i dont think about the guy the passed away. Was a bad choice that we made to race,and cost someone there life.

[outlaw256]

i wont go into details but its kinda hard at times, thinking about the past.