scammer alert JOE GARAY

[novamaniac]

Just a heads up people.
I have been dealing with a "member" on RJ since Oct 2011 on a TCI converter and B&M Pro Stick shifter. I sent him a money order(big mistake on my part) because he said he wasn't set up for Paypal. Well,the red flags should have been flying right there but silly me have trust in people and have never had a problem dealing with the fine people here on RJ. Evertime I messaged this so called member I got the runaround and he was skirting my questions saying the parts were shipped and that he had tracking numbers to prove it. Kinda funny but everytime I asked for the tracking numbers he came up with yet another excuse. He even tried to say that the parts were on their way but for some reason the mailing address was torn off and the shifter was sent back to him. Supposedly he said he resent the shifter to me but no parts arrived,not even a tracking number that I requested.

So people,beware if you have any dealings with a member from Markham Texas who goes under the username GARAYRACING. His name is JOE GARAY and if you know him,you know a bad person. If you don't know him,keep it that way. It will save you grief and money.

[lively]

ADD ######### MORE INFO !!!!!

[novamaniac]

This Joe Garay characters member number is 88989. The ad has now been deleted from what I can tell or I just can't open it anymore but this was the ad number 2339090. Hope this helps.

[Incognegro]

I sent him a message with the link to this thread, lets sit back and see the drama unfold.. :roll:

[Harbone]

Well I see him looking in here at 7:50am, wonder if he will reply?

[Harbone]

I have not hear anything about him on RJ but he is banned on the NastyZ28 forum for some reason

Here is a link where he ripped someone off on another forum
http://www.camaros.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-185116.html

[novamaniac]

Well isn't that something.He has been ripping people off all over and he should be stopped but I have no idea how to find someone from a box number.
I wonder if the people on his friends list knows what kind of person he is?
I just hope he gets caught and someone teaches him a lesson.

Julianthe3rd, thanks for sending him the link as it should be interesting to see if he has anything to say.

harbone66,he is a classic con from the camaro forum,thanks for posting that info.

[Harbone]

Sent Mr Garay this message

On [2012-02-06 14:56:00] harbone66 wrote:
There is a guy on the forum that says he bought some stuff from you and you never shipped it? After a little research it seems you have a reputation on some other forums for doing the same thing!
I suggest you ship the man his parts...


Here was his reply

From: garayracing To: harbone66 Date: 2012-02-06 15:29:23
Subject: Re: RJ RaceSpace: Ripped off
they have been shipped


Have you heard anything from him?

[garayracing]

i have the parts they came back again..i have tried to ship out of country and i will never do it again...here is our emails ,i am not hiding
Another week has gone by and still no parts. Surprise,surprise. You say you are losing parts,well you have tracking numbers for the post office to find them. Or,my bet is there never was any tracking numbers because there was never any parts sent.
I guess we will see what happens in the next couple weeks if you refund me or not. My feeling is you won't.


On [2012-01-27 10:01:39] garayracing wrote:
> i sent that pkg ,1 pkg was lost,1 came back, and i sent it again, i am losing out here also,i gave you a deal on the stuff,i could of easily sold for more..i have sold plenty of stuff on rjunk.with no problem...i will give a refund in 3 weeks when i get paid, i only get paid once a month.. to settle this matter
>
> On [2012-01-26 21:24:08] novamaniac wrote:
> > So why don't you do the right thing and pay me back in full before I am forced to take action. You never answered again about the tracking number.
> >
> > On [2012-01-26 11:27:57] garayracing wrote:
> > > i have shipped alot of pkgs with no problem,
> > >
> > > On [2012-01-26 11:18:01] novamaniac wrote:
> > > > A couple of messages ago I asked about the tracking the number for the shifter you said you resent.You skirted the question and neglected to send the tracking number. A few more messages before that you said if the converter didn't show up in two weeks you would refund that,it's been over a month. I bet you never asked the post office why they can't find these parts.
> > > > I have bought alot of parts from guys on Racing Junk and Ebay from the U.S. that shipped to me with no problems at all and this is the first this problem arose so don't blame USPS.
> > > >
> > > > I am starting to realize that all you are doing is ripping me off and I think that was the intent to begin with,just another scammer.
> > > > Oh well,my loss I guess but eventually you will be caught and I would hate to see the consequences.
> > > > Again,Thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On [2012-01-20 17:41:58] garayracing wrote:
> > > > > you are not getting the run around this is why I did not want to ship out of the country,I will check with post office
> > > > > On [2012-01-20 15:24:02] novamaniac wrote:
> > > > > > Well,it's been another couple weeks since I heard anything back from you and to no surprise I haven't received any parts. When I got your message on Dec 29th you told me you were going to get a tracking number on the shipment,did you get one? If so,you should be able to tell where the package is. I still think I am getting the run around and will never see these parts or the hard earned money that I likely won't see back either. It's a little tough being open minded about this deal seeing as the only one that came out ahead was you.
> > > > > > Thanks so much again.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On [2012-01-06 14:52:35] garayracing wrote:
> > > > > > > shifter went out to the addy you gave me, the box was opened and returned to me because half of the addy was torn off...it has been sent,if you don't get the stall in about 2 more weeks i will issue a refund on the stall..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On [2012-01-06 14:01:39] novamaniac wrote:
> > > > > > > > Joe,I haven't heard from you for awile again,just wondering what's happening with these parts.I'm getting an uneasy feeling about this.
> > > > > > > > Paul
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On [2011-12-29 09:07:12] garayracing wrote:
> > > > > > > > > sorry,you are not getting the run around...i had a death in the family,the shifter i got back,i will be home monday to ship the shifter back out to you..sorry, but i have alot going on right now.....will get it out mon and give you a tracking number,might have to give you a refund on the stall if it don't show up be next fri
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On [2011-12-29 07:01:37] novamaniac wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Joe,what's happening with these parts? I haven't received anything yet or heard anything back from you since the 22nd of December.
> > > > > > > > > > I'm starting to think I am getting the run around and this deal has gone sour and I won't even see the parts I paid for or the money that was spent on them. It has been over 3 months already.
> > > > > > > > > > Let me know,
> > > > > > > > > > Paul
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On [2011-12-22 22:57:37] garayracing wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > sorry, haven't made it home yet,should be home late tomorrow..will let you know something asap
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-12-22 17:58:19] novamaniac wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Joe,just wondering if you found out anything why the package got sent back to you.I still haven't received the other one yet so maybe it's on it's way back to Texas.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,Paul
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-12-20 09:33:35] garayracing wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > i talked to my sister in law,she explained to me it was the shifter,it said not deliverable on the pkg..i have your correct address on it..she read it back to me,i am thinking the lady at the post office screwed up somehow..hopefully you will get the other pkg or it gets sent back to me...well i shoulf be back by next wed,, and i will get that out to you......well at least we know one pkg made it safely to one of us..lets see if the other comes along
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-12-20 03:57:51] novamaniac wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well that's great that it came back to you. Was there just one package? I thought the parts were shipped in seperate boxes,maybe the other one will get back to you also. I wonder if the wrong address was put on the packages or to heavy. Anyway let me know what you find out because I would sure like to get my parts or if nothing else a refund. This has been going on way to long already.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,Paul
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-12-19 14:55:30] garayracing wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am out of town right now,but my sister in law checked my mail and said i got a pkg from canada.. it said not deliverable, i will be back next wed...i will call her tonight and find out what it is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-12-15 21:20:36] novamaniac wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe,I just got your message about you checking with the post office.The parts haven't showed up yet but maybe the delay is the Christmas rush.I will give it a bit more time and see what happens.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for checking it out.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-12-09 21:30:06] garayracing wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i checked with the post office and they said since it went parcel it will take awhile,even longer shipped to canada..also don't worry they will show up or i will issue a refund..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-12-08 19:03:33] novamaniac wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing yet.Let me know if you find out anything.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-12-08 18:40:58] garayracing wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did you get anything yet? i tried to get out early today,but i just got home.i am off tomorrow i will find something out and let you know..thanks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-12-07 20:32:58] novamaniac wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Joe.Just touching base with you that the parts haven't arrived yet.Just curious if you may have tracking numbers for them.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,Paul
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-11-06 06:23:38] garayracing wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no wheelie bars...i am looking for some myself
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-11-05 23:43:55] novamaniac wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Darnit,to late again.Maybe you will get another one.Thanks for letting me know the parts are sent.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you ever have any wheelie bars for sale?I am looking for a set about 44 inches long and 22 or 23 inches wide to fit my Camaro.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-11-05 19:14:34] garayracing wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forward and it just sold this morning let it go for 80 and yyour parts already went out
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-11-05 18:49:46] novamaniac wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Joe,is that pistol grip shifter for a powerglide or 3 speed? Is it forward pattern or reverse pattern?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,Paul
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-11-01 19:59:21] garayracing wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no problem..i check the computer at noon and after 5 when the boss leaves..i am going to put deliveryy confirmation on the pkgs,so that way i know when u get them
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-11-01 18:22:00] novamaniac wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok good.I was getting a little worried it got lost or something.I know it's tough working those hours.I am on call for my job and have no idea for when and where I am going.Atleast you got the money and that's all that matters.I can breathe easier now.I will let you know when I receive the parts.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,Paul :)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-11-01 15:03:33] garayracing wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes got it and waiting on it to clear.my wife deposited it and the bank didn't process it.they were kinda thinkng it was a phony check,but i am waiting on it to clear.i have the stuff boxed up already and ready to ship..i am working 12 hour days and ,sorry i did not get back to you..i talked to my wife and recieved the check on thu. my bank held on to it till fri..the lady at my bank was kinda worried ,she called and made sure it was a good check,so waiting on it to clear ..should go out tomorrow ir thurs.i get off around 8pm and should be home by 9 pm central time
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-11-01 12:52:33] novamaniac wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe,any news on if that money order showed up yet? I have Canada post putting a trace on it to see if it went somewhere else and got cashed. I thought you would have recieved it long ago. I'm getting a little worried it got lost or someone else got it. It is a lot of money to me to lose.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,Paul
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-10-25 23:16:53] garayracing wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing yet..will keep you posted..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-10-25 22:52:15] novamaniac wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe,just touching base with you to see if you received the money order yet.I thought for sure you would have got it by now.I didn't want you to think I was playing around and didn't send it.Keep me posted when you receive it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,Paul
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-10-19 22:49:06] garayracing wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i will do delivery confirmation,cause i am going to insure them ...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-10-19 22:47:20] novamaniac wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe,would it be possible to get tracking numbers for the parts to see how they are progressing getting across the counrty once they get sent? I'm sure you would even like to know how well they are doing getting across the states and into Canada. If so,you can message the tracking numbers when you let me know they are on the way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,Paul
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-10-17 22:46:25] garayracing wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no problem will let you know when i get it and when it goes out
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-10-17 22:44:46] novamaniac wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe,here is the shipping information you will need to send the parts.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul DaCunha
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1317 Regal Cres,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moose Jaw Saskatchewan,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Canada,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S6H7S1.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ph:(306)693-7824
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-10-17 17:36:44] garayracing wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure will thanks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-10-17 16:51:25] novamaniac wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe,I got the U.S. money order sent to you this afternoon and it should get to you in about a week so the girl said.Let me know when you receive it.I need to ask a favor though.Could you put a value of $90.00 on the converter and $60.00 on the shifter so customs doesn't nail me to hard on brokerage fees.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,Paul
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-10-16 21:25:33] garayracing wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i put deal pending on the converter and shifter for you..thanks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-10-16 21:20:02] novamaniac wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You bet,I got it.I was doing some checking with USPS and I think your guess on shipping prices might be close.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just another question on that converter,do you know if it has the anti-balooning plate? Some 241002 converters have them and some don't. I was also doing some internet surfing on these converters and it should work for me just perfectly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again.......... : ) Paul
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-10-16 21:00:19] garayracing wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just checking to see if you got my address?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-10-15 22:39:25] novamaniac wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok,we need to talk.Do you think you will be around tomorrow(Sunday)so we can talk about these parts?Message me back a phone number and your name so I know who to ask for.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again,Paul
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-10-15 22:16:36] garayracing wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tci 241002...i am not setup for paypal,would have to be a money order,i have never shipped outside of the us..i got 3600 stall out of it sbc out of my bbc stalled 3900..only 5 months old..can u check on shipping or i can check it out monday
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-10-15 22:11:18] novamaniac wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Darn,I am in Canada.Is that a problem?I need to know more about the converter.Are there any numbers stamped on it?What stall did you get out of it?Is it the streetfighter or super streetfighter?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me know what you think about shipping outside the U.S. and I also have Paypal and have bought lots from the states.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,Paul
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-10-15 21:27:05] garayracing wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes i do i can do 230 shipped for both as long as you are in the u.s..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-10-15 20:21:49] novamaniac wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,do you still have the b&m pro stick shifter and the tci 10" converter for sale?

[garayracing]

now the guy with the console he got it 4 months later it was sitiing in a post office in san diego....i have not hid from novamaniac,i have replied to every email above..i am just getting bashed,which i totally understand...but i did get he stall and shlifter back sat and i did email him about it and i will send it out again ,they are being returned not deliverable..i am not a scammer...i even told him i would even issue a refund....but the parts keep coming back to me saying they are not deliverable, i am losing here also, all the money i have paid to ship them over and ever again

[ghustler]

sorry,you are not getting the run around...i had a death in the family
Its a strange thing that everytime I buy or sell There is always a death in the other persons family????
1 More thing, buy in your own country next time.

[Incognegro]

Sometimes shipping to Canada, parts will sit in customs and get returned if the documentation is not correct.

[novamaniac]

LOL.................... I call B S
The parts were probably never shipped and Mr. Joe is just trying to make it loook like my fault. As people will be able to read from our messaging back and forth how many times I requested a tracking number and how many times Mr. Garay skirted the answer.
It amazes me how all of a sudden the parts(both of them now)have arrived back to him because they were undeliverable.Again,he must think I am stupid or something because I find it very hard to believe that now the shifter was returned to him twice now.I gave him the proper mailing address twice so unless he isn't reading what I am writing there is no reason why the parts shouldn't arrive to me.I have purchased lots of parts from good,honest people here on RJ and no problems receiving them until now.
I'm not bashing you on here Joe,just telling the truth.It appears this isn't your first go around on screwing people over and I wanted these people to be aware of you.These people can see and make their judgement themselves just from the runaround messages.

[ghustler]

Now that he has the parts back i would try to get my money back and call it a day.
A letter is going to make it, i would stress a certified letter with signature at delivery

[gmanxss]

SHIP THE GUY'S PARTS AND PROVIDE TRACKING NUMBERS OR REFUND HIS MONEY. ANYTHING ELSE IS PURE BS. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[Gimmethakick]

4 months? Come on man, nothing could be done at this point to convince me your not a common thief who should be horse whipped.

[wlpatterson]

I thought I had seen the name before,He sold me a pair of carbs I needed for my Xsram Intake as being only 6 months old,They were old, & the floats were just sitting in the bowls..They were junk! After complaining about it to him he of course blamed some other guy he had bought them from...Needless to say I had to put out the money to get them right..I wouldnt buy from him & told him so..I think he picks up junk at the swapmeet & resells,Which nothings wrong with if you dont buy & sell junk as good parts..I did take photos of the carbs..

[novamaniac]

Well it looks as though he can't be trusted and he has the nerve to say I am trashing him on the RJ site. Maybe he should take a good look at himself and see why he is being trashed. As far as my dealings with him goes,I will be lucky to see any parts or even a refund for that matter.

[Harbone]

I got this message from a guy over on the NastyZ forum when I asked about Mr Garay...

Yes he is a crook!!! He had a set of sbc hooker header side pipes for sell. Claimed they fit a camaro a 70 camaro. I have a 70 camaro,well they didn't fit. I think they will fit a chevelle,they stuck out the side about 8".

He told me i need big block motor mounts then they would fit. B.S.! So I have a set of hooker header side pipes that I can't use or know what they fit for sure??

Then he pops back on under a different user name annd the frist thing he did was to talk shit about my car. So he got banned again. I wasn't the frist to get ripped off by him hopefully I was the last one here.

He got me for a little over $600.00 never use wal-mart for money trans actions because they dodn't cover them for theft etc. like paypal dose.

Hopr your friend didn't get took to bad! That's why I have him down in my sig. so people can see is name and look out for him.

Have a great day hope your buddy has better luck then


Seems he really gets around!

[novamaniac]

Just a question about Mr. Garay but has anyone posted on the NastyZ forums to not deal with him? I think people should be made aware of him and warned to not have dealings with him. I have no problem putting the word out but I need a username he uses to do it.

[Harbone]

Its been posted on NastyZ and he is actually barred from the website. The guy he ripped off over there just signed up for this forum and will be over soon to tell his story in person :D

[novamaniac]

Ok,awesome. Is that your Camaro in your message Chris? Nice,looks great.

[Harbone]

Yes it is, just picked it up the week before Christmas, go over to the project section and check it out.
Of course its a POS and I am jealous of everything that Jason has... :lol:

[gmanxss]

CHRIS,I GOT A GUY WITH A CUSTOM,CONVERTABLE SHOW CAR THAT WANTS TO TRADE, ONLY THING IS IT'S A AMIGO!!LOL I KNOW HE HAS HIT EVERYONE UP (MULLERACING). HE HAS BLOCKED ME FOR OFFERING 1.00 FOR IT ON TRADE. MABY U CAN TRADE HIM THE CAMERO IF JASON DON'T WANT IT. :D :D :D :D

[lively]

CHRIS,I GOT A GUY WITH A CUSTOM,CONVERTABLE SHOW CAR THAT WANTS TO TRADE, ONLY THING IS IT'S A AMIGO!!LOL I KNOW HE HAS HIT EVERYONE UP (MULLERACING). HE HAS BLOCKED ME FOR OFFERING 1.00 FOR IT ON TRADE. MABY U CAN TRADE HIM THE CAMERO IF JASON DON'T WANT IT. :D :D :D :D

GREAT IDEA :lol: :lol:

[Harbone]

CHRIS,I GOT A GUY WITH A CUSTOM,CONVERTABLE SHOW CAR THAT WANTS TO TRADE, ONLY THING IS IT'S A AMIGO!!LOL I KNOW HE HAS HIT EVERYONE UP (MULLERACING). HE HAS BLOCKED ME FOR OFFERING 1.00 FOR IT ON TRADE. MABY U CAN TRADE HIM THE CAMERO IF JASON DON'T WANT IT. :D :D :D :D

GREAT IDEA :lol: :lol:

I dont think I have enoigh cash for the trade up :!: :lol:

[lively]

maybe 88,000 difference would do the job---YOU COULD BORROW IT FROM LITTLE :lol: :lol: ROD

[ghustler]

I got this message from a guy over on the NastyZ forum when I asked about Mr Garay...

[i]Yes he is a crook!!! He had a set of sbc hooker header side pipes for sell. Claimed they fit a camaro a 70 camaro. I have a 70 camaro,well they didn't fit. I think they will fit a chevelle,they stuck out the side about 8".


You got what you deserved for wanting to put side pipes on a Camaro, a Maverick maybe but not a Camaro.
I would have sent two tree limbs and some twine because once on the car it would have looked the same!!!

[novamaniac]

Side pipes on a Camaro? How gross is that? LOL

[Harbone]

I got this message from a guy over on the NastyZ forum when I asked about Mr Garay...

[i]Yes he is a crook!!! He had a set of sbc hooker header side pipes for sell. Claimed they fit a camaro a 70 camaro. I have a 70 camaro,well they didn't fit. I think they will fit a chevelle,they stuck out the side about 8".


You got what you deserved for wanting to put side pipes on a Camaro, a Maverick maybe but not a Camaro.
I would have sent two tree limbs and some twine because once on the car it would have looked the same!!!

Really :?:
Thats what he deserved? The guy thought he was buying one thing and got something else...

[ghustler]

[quote="ghustler"][quote=harbone66]

Really :?:
Thats what he deserved? The guy thought he was buying one thing and got something else...
Yea if he is a weirdo enough to put side pipes on a Camaro its hard telling what else he has done to rig it down to stupid level.

[novamaniac]

I got another message back from Mr. Garay Feb 6 2012 and he says he is not a scsmmer.............

well i got your stall and shifter sent back to me,and thanks for bashing me on the forum....i have your damn parts and i wam not a scammer..i will try and ship this one more time....after that ...who knows

[Harbone]

[quote=ghustler][quote=harbone66]

Really :?:
Thats what he deserved? The guy thought he was buying one thing and got something else...
Yea if he is a weirdo enough to put side pipes on a Camaro its hard telling what else he has done to rig it down to stupid level.

first retards and now weirdos, really? WTF?

your gonna fit right in...

And here is a picture of one of the hard to find Baldwin Motion Camaro's, notice the sidepipes? This was the look he was going for. I would call this far from being rigged down to stupid level.

http://www.lasvegasclassiccars.com/carpics/tn_Motion%20camaro%20magazine%20pictures%20010.jpg

[Harbone]

I got another message back from Mr. Garay Feb 6 2012 and he says he is not a scsmmer.............

well i got your stall and shifter sent back to me,and thanks for bashing me on the forum....i have your damn parts and i wam not a scammer..i will try and ship this one more time....after that ...who knows

Tell him you want your money back!

[novamaniac]

I asked for a refund for the parts from Mr. Garay and got this response from him:

On [2012-02-08 11:24:58] garayracing wrote:
> shipped yesterday

I then asked for tracking numbers and have NO response yet.

[Incognegro]

1) The whole side pipe fitment issue is not really a scam, as much as perhaps a mistake or misrepresentation issue. The guy paid for an item and got an item. It might not have been as described, but that's a different issue altogether. And keep in mind Im not taking sides, Im just expounding a bit on something.


2) 4 months to ship parts to Canada or refund money is inexcusable. I have shipped stuff in the past to Canada and it is actually faster than shipping some places in the US actually. However it will get hung up in customs and there are customs fees depending on the declared value listed on the package the receiver has to pay. Now, if the shipper put down the item had no value or was a gift or lied about the customs value, well then that's US Customs fraud, a federal crime :shock: .It would be sad if he did that...

3) 4 months to square up is absolutely inexcusable. My dad died of cancer and I was flying to NC to bury him, and I had previous obligations to ship items I had sold on Ebay and I made it a point to have my wife drop them off for me the morning I left...You know what, they could have waited a few days or even a week giving the circumstances, but why give the guy excuses and make my problem his problem. He didn't loose a dad, I did..I dealt with my issues personally and didn't make others suffer due to my suffering..That's how things work and that is how you do business...


I just cant understand how i have had so many freakin ads on RJ and have literally sold 1 thing, a $100 used pair of shocks...And these scammers are selling and selling and selling crap and ripping people off on a daily basis..It just seems like people like to get ripped off...I mean are you rally saving that much money in the long run when you buy something 2nd hand online from a stranger, that new from a reputable source?? :roll:

[Gimmethakick]

I wouldn't buy from ghustler just because he seems to take up for scammers in every instance. The man bought parts for his car and was shipped something else, what his tastes are don't matter because its his car. So according to you he should be scammed because he is not doing something to his car that you approve of.

[Harbone]

I wouldn't buy from ghustler just because he seems to take up for scammers in every instance. The man bought parts for his car and was shipped something else, what his tastes are don't matter because its his car. So according to you he should be scammed because he is not doing something to his car that you approve of.

X2 :!:

[ghustler]

[quote="ghustler"][quote="harbone66"][quote="ghustler"][quote=harbone66]

.

And here is a picture of one of the hard to find Baldwin Motion Camaro's, notice the sidepipes? This was the look he was going for. I would call this far from being rigged down to stupid level.

http://www.lasvegasclassiccars.com/carpics/tn_Motion%20camaro%20magazine%20pictures%20010.jpg
I don't like these cars at all they look like a circus wagon.
And as far as buying from me, I have made and honer payment and will make another when I sell something on here again, It took 5 years to sell something on here the first time so it might be awhile.
But thanks guys for giving me negative feed back yet have never bought from me, you talk the talk, but thats it as usual.
And harbone66 thanks for taking me off your friends list, all you done was saved me some time doing it first, but don't worry I saved all the info about you incase I need to contact you some other way.
Its all OK for now.

[Harbone]

[quote="ghustler"][quote="harbone66"][quote=ghustler][quote=harbone66]

.

And here is a picture of one of the hard to find Baldwin Motion Camaro's, notice the sidepipes? This was the look he was going for. I would call this far from being rigged down to stupid level.

http://www.lasvegasclassiccars.com/carpics/tn_Motion%20camaro%20magazine%20pictures%20010.jpg
I don't like these cars at all they look like a circus wagon.
And as far as buying from me, I have made and honer payment and will make another when I sell something on here again, It took 5 years to sell something on here the first time so it might be awhile.
But thanks guys for giving me negative feed back yet have never bought from me, you talk the talk, but thats it as usual.
And harbone66 thanks for taking me off your friends list, all you done was saved me some time doing it first, but don't worry I saved all the info about you incase I need to contact you some other way.
Its all OK for now.

:D

[novamaniac]

Hmmmmm,no tracking numbers for me yet. I guess that means go through the same B S again for the parts being sent or not. I know without them I can't see the progress from my end.
Some people just don't get it.

[Incognegro]

Hmmmmm,no tracking numbers for me yet. I guess that means go through the same B S again for the parts being sent or not. I know without them I can't see the progress from my end.
Some people just don't get it.

I have to ask, how much did you save (or would have saved) by purchasing the parts used from this a$$ clown??

[masparks]

I got this message from a guy over on the NastyZ forum when I asked about Mr Garay...

Yes he is a crook!!! He had a set of sbc hooker header side pipes for sell. Claimed they fit a camaro a 70 camaro. I have a 70 camaro,well they didn't fit. I think they will fit a chevelle,they stuck out the side about 8".

He told me i need big block motor mounts then they would fit. B.S.! So I have a set of hooker header side pipes that I can't use or know what they fit for sure??

Then he pops back on under a different user name annd the frist thing he did was to talk s about my car. So he got banned again. I wasn't the frist to get ripped off by him hopefully I was the last one here.

He got me for a little over $600.00 never use wal-mart for money trans actions because they dodn't cover them for theft etc. like paypal dose.

Hopr your friend didn't get took to bad! That's why I have him down in my sig. so people can see is name and look out for him.

Have a great day hope your buddy has better luck then


Seems he really gets around!

Ok I was asked to come here to tell you about my dealings with John/joe garary.

Just like I told Chris above. He knew what he was doing misrepresenting these headers. He had already tried once on Nasttyz28 to selll them. I just missed that attemnt. I found that out after the fact and while Mods looked into it. At the same time there was an Issue with a t-ram. Which I bet now is WLpatterson 2nd post 2 nd Page.

He was using the usernname of garay77n84. I aiso found out he had a 70 chevelle for sale at one time.
He not to long ago had rejoined nastyz28 using ss396 as a user name. frist thing he did was talk shit about my car. He was banned again.
When I found out from another forum he was a basketball coach in the town he lived in he got reupset claimed he had a BIL in law enforcement and threaten me with sueing if I kept e-mailing him calling him a crook because when you knowingly misreprensts something or sells it and fucks you over that what you are!

Julianthe 3rd, Gimmethakick has a good point!! a has changed my point of view of you

ghustler really you don't know me haven't seen my car don't know the store that gose with it. And that is all you can do is talk out your ass. you need some manners ass clown!!

If this site has members like this Makes me sorry I even wasted my time!!

Logging out for good! seeya!

[novamaniac]

Geez,the more I hear about Garay the more sick I get. How did I ever find this guy to deal with? I definately learned my lesson on this dealing and will be gun shy to deal online again just because of what this guy did to me and others. Why do people have to be like this?

[ghustler]

ghustler really you don't know me haven't seen my car don't know the store that gose with it. And that is all you can do is talk out your ass. you need some manners ass clown!!
Ohhh the ole " you don't know me line"
I do know you, you want side pipes on a Camaro thats enough right there.
http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/4/219/3341/38046670033_large.jpg

[Scooterz]

Masparks-

Thanks for taking the time to explain & maybe help someone. Don't worry about the silly comments from ghustler; obviously he is missing a few screws. The Baldwin Camaro is cool... one of very few in fact. If you like it & want to replicate or tribute that nostalgic look; I say go for it... I would give you a thumbs up if I saw you on the road.

Personally, I think the side-pipes either fit the car or don't... they are made to fit that body/motor or they are not. In this case, they guy probably misrepresented them purposely in order to unload them... I doubt it was a misunderstanding with a guy who can't seem to ship in 4 months or less.

as for ghustler.....

Generally, people who say such ignorant things are compensating for a small penis & still manage to reproduce (damn!!)... he probably does not get outside the trailer park much. He makes fun of retarded people. His actions clearly speak for them self. He knows he has pee stains all over his panties... don't let him bother you.

[ghustler]

Masparks-

as for ghustler.....

Generally, people who say such ignorant things are compensating for a small penis & still manage to reproduce (damn!!)... he probably does not get outside the trailer park much. He makes fun of retarded people. His actions clearly speak for them self. He knows he has pee stains all over his panties... don't let him bother you.
BOO HOO HOO!! Now there all picking on me and calling me names!
I'll to do better and turn over a new leaf.
No I won't, go fuck yourself ass wad!!!!!!!! :lol:

[masparks]

Masparks-

Thanks for taking the time to explain & maybe help someone. Don't worry about the silly comments from ghustler; obviously he is missing a few screws. The Baldwin Camaro is cool... one of very few in fact. If you like it & want to replicate or tribute that nostalgic look; I say go for it... I would give you a thumbs up if I saw you on the road.

Personally, I think the side-pipes either fit the car or don't... they are made to fit that body/motor or they are not. In this case, they guy probably misrepresented them purposely in order to unload them... I doubt it was a misunderstanding with a guy who can't seem to ship in 4 months or less.

as for ghustler.....

Generally, people who say such ignorant things are compensating for a small penis & still manage to reproduce (damn!!)... he probably does not get outside the trailer park much. He makes fun of retarded people. His actions clearly speak for them self. He knows he has pee stains all over his panties... don't let him bother you.

Thanks! But damn I live in a trailer :lol:

It's not about what was bought,It's about this guy ripping people off! PERIOD!

[Harbone]

Masparks-

as for ghustler.....

Generally, people who say such ignorant things are compensating for a small penis & still manage to reproduce (damn!!)... he probably does not get outside the trailer park much. He makes fun of retarded people. His actions clearly speak for them self. He knows he has pee stains all over his panties... don't let him bother you.
BOO HOO HOO!! Now there all picking on me and calling me names!
I'll to do better and turn over a new leaf.
No I won't, go f yourself ass wad!!!!!!!! :lol:

making friends fast... :roll:

[ghustler]

harbone66"
making friends fast... :roll:[/quote]

RIGSBY wrote:
he probably does not get outside the trailer park much



MASPARKS WROTE:
Thanks! But damn I live in a trailer Laughing
We all are.

[Scooterz]

Yeah, slip of tongue... my bad. Here is the difference: WHEN I AM WRONG, I WILL SAY I AM WRONG. My apologies masparks. I lived in one too... for awihle. What I really mean is the I don't think ghustler GETS AWAY FROM THE TRAILER PARK MUCH.... like ever. His still has brake lights & expired license plates.... sperm is splattered all over the ceiling too... cuz he is another PUNK BEHIND THE KEYBOARD.

[ghustler]

Yeah, slip of tongue... my bad. Here is the difference: WHEN I AM WRONG, I WILL SAY I AM WRONG. My apologies masparks. I lived in one too... for awihle. What I really mean is the I don't think ghustler GETS AWAY FROM THE TRAILER PARK MUCH.... like ever. His still has brake lights & expired license plates.... sperm is splattered all over the ceiling too... cuz he is another PUNK BEHIND THE KEYBOARD.
You do know me, damn you can really read a person's character from behind your own key board, goolley gee I;ve been busted only thing is, we have a library at the park and thats where I use the puter.
Once I get off this work release program I plan on moving me and the Stingray to an under pass on the interstate and set up a tent for awhile!

[Scooterz]

gmullester- did I get that right this time??? I put in an extra "L" for ya. Look blo-hard, we could go on, but we both know how this ends. Lets keep the topic going the way it should; you can leave out how you hate side pipes, 55 chevys etc... lets focus on how to resolve these issues. Leave the insults to your cracked trailer mirror.

[ghustler]

gmullester- did I get that right this time??? I put in an extra "L" for ya. Look blo-hard, we could go on, but we both know how this ends. Lets keep the topic going the way it should; you can leave out how you hate side pipes, 55 chevys etc... lets focus on how to resolve these issues. Leave the insults to your cracked trailer mirror.
At this point in my probation I can't have a mirror in the tent because it could be used as a shank, I have to comb my mullet in the creek's reflection where I take a bath and wash my underpants and wife beeeter t shirt!
Thanks for the insight ringspew.

[Scooterz]

So the topic was about this man getting potentially scammed. Prior to numb-nuts getting on here, another man (masparks) was kind enough to share his story if it helps. I think that is where we at... anything new happen?

[novamaniac]

I messaged Mr. Garay a couple of times since he said the parts were shipped and of course no reply. All I asked if he got or could give me tracking numbers on the shipment. My bet is I will be going through this B S again.wondering if the parts will show up to me. I asked for a refund but he said the parts were shipped before he got the message. Without any tracking numbers to confirm that I guess again I will be in limbo. Lucky me.

[Incognegro]

I messaged Mr. Garay a couple of times since he said the parts were shipped and of course no reply. All I asked if he got or could give me tracking numbers on the shipment. My bet is I will be going through this B S again.wondering if the parts will show up to me. I asked for a refund but he said the parts were shipped before he got the message. Without any tracking numbers to confirm that I guess again I will be in limbo. Lucky me.

This is usually how scammers handle these situations , hoping you'll just get tired of emailing and let it be...99% of people just give up..And sad to say, you being from Canada, he knows your not coming to the US to pursue legal action...

[novamaniac]

I won't quit that easy. I guess time will tell what I will do next but if things don't work out this time I have several options.

[Incognegro]

I won't quit that easy. I guess time will tell what I will do next but if things don't work out this time I have several options.

Im not trying to be a dick in any way, but chances are your not doing a thing to this guy. To go after him in civil court cost money, which judging by the fact that you purchased 2nd hand items online to save money, your not going to spend on a lawyer or travel expenses to the US to go to small claims court And believe me sir, these scammers know that..

and your definitely not traveling there to assault him, cause that would be asking for legal issues or worse, cause you never know who your dealing with.

So pretty much your only option is to suck it up and chock it up as a learning experience and spread the bad word on this guy.

Once again Im not trying to be a dick, but Im sick of hearing people coming on here and crying how they got scammed or how deal went bad cause they sent their buddies to pick up a car that wasnt up to their own liking, when its 100% their own fault they got taken cause they let it happen by not taking steps to protect themselves. I feel your pain that you got taken advantage of, but in the end your 100% to blame for it cause you allowed it to happen cause you were trying to save a buck or two.. Good luck and i really hope you get your parts but we all know your not going to and this guy will just continue to get over on people when this thread is long forgotten.

[mopar1968]

Julian i will agree with you, I got taken by a guy on the west coast and i live on the east coast he knew when he got me that i wasn't going to pursue him across the country :!: :!:


Mark

[Incognegro]

Yeah, Im not trying to be a dick, but we all need a lil tough love some times. If we didnt fall for scams in the first place, there would be no scam artists left. People only have themselves to blame.

[ghustler]

So basically your saying don't buy used parts on forums because you will get scammed 50% of the time, so Ebay should be shut down?
I really don't buy used myself but sell alot at times and have sent parts when I didn't go to work because I had a 102 fever!
I might be a jackass on here but, I couldn't live with myself scamming someone, if I advertise it for sale and you buy it, you will get it or be reimbursed because I buy insurance to cover the cost.
I do have a conscience about that anyways!

[Incognegro]

So basically your saying don't buy used parts on forums because you will get scammed 50% of the time, so Ebay should be shut down?
I really don't buy used myself but sell alot at times and have sent parts when I didn't go to work because I had a 102 fever!
I might be a jackass on here but, I couldn't live with myself scamming someone, if I advertise it for sale and you buy it, you will get it or be reimbursed because I buy insurance to cover the cost.
I do have a conscience about that anyways!

No, Im saying putting 100% trust in a complete stranger via an internet transaction with absolutely zero safeguards like Ebay and Paypal provide is very very risky and one should take more precautions to protect themselves. Ebay is not an internet forum FYI it is an auction site and as long as all transactions are done THROUGH THE SITE and VIA PAYPAL the buyer is 100% protected from fraud. Racing Junk is an internet forum with online classifieds and provides ZERO, I repeat ZERO coverage against being scammed. In fact they almost have a "welcome scammer" policy by the protection they provide for the scammers by being afraid to remove their ads and ban them..Racing Junk has become exactly what the name implies RACING-----JUNK...

Simply sending someone a money order or wire transfer for several hundred dollars without really doing your research is in the least, reckless.

I myself have shipped items I sold mere minutes before boarding a plane to go bury my father cause I figured my problems should not be a buyers problems, so its all in the integrity of the seller.

[novamaniac]

In one way I do blame myself for this mess by having to much trust in people. I have bought lots of parts from sellers on RJ and this is the first transaction I had problems with. From now on I will be more cautious in my dealings and one thing for sure,if the sellers don't accept Paypal and money orders are the only form of payment they accept,I won't be dealing with that seller which on the side of the coin makes it bad for the seller who isn't a scammer because I will never deal with them.
Big lesson learned on this deal and it won't happen to me again.

[RonOwensRacing]

Don't think pay pal is a good way to pay or get payed i have lost almost 5 grand because of pay pal i want get into it all but just Google pay pal scams and take a look you will be shocked.

[lively]

Don't think pay pal is a good way to pay or get payed i have lost almost 5 grand because of pay pal i want get into it all but just Google pay pal scams and take a look you will be shocked.

and paypal rules almost entirely with the buyer if they say you sold them junk or some lame excuse they make up----then you get to lose your parts[they will not return them ] and you will lose your money out of your account---had it done to me and then MY PARTS WERE FOR SALE AGAIN ON THEIR SITE- :evil: :oops:

[ghustler]

A guy won an auction from me and never paid but ebay charged me all the fees and there is noway to contact ebay about something like that.
You go thru all their questions but it is just a big circle.

[novamaniac]

Well I guess my online buying days are over if I never want to go through this again. It is way to risky.

[lively]

A guy won an auction from me and never paid but ebay charged me all the fees and there is noway to contact ebay about something like that.
You go thru all their questions but it is just a big circle.



and you CAN NOT LEAVE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK ON THEM !!!! :cry:

[Harbone]

A guy won an auction from me and never paid but ebay charged me all the fees and there is noway to contact ebay about something like that.
You go thru all their questions but it is just a big circle.

actually the process is very simple, after a few days with no payment it takes 1 click to open a case. If the seller doesnt pay within 10 days after that, you get all your charges refunded. Its pretty easy.

[ghustler]

A guy won an auction from me and never paid but ebay charged me all the fees and there is noway to contact ebay about something like that.
You go thru all their questions but it is just a big circle.

actually the process is very simple, after a few days with no payment it takes 1 click to open a case. If the seller doesnt pay within 10 days after that, you get all your charges refunded. Its pretty easy.
He said he was going to pay so ebay closed the case as payed, the end!
He never payed and i couldn't reopen a case with the same case number and could not reach anyone ,email or phone.

[Harbone]

strange, I had over 150 ebay sales in 2011. 3 of them were non-paying bidders. I received listing and selling fee refunds on all 3.
Only Paypal or the seller can mark the item as paid, if its not marked paid the case stays open till the expiration period then the seller is refunded.

[RonOwensRacing]

Credit card or check cards is a safe way to pay if anything is wrong just call your bank or credit card company file the complaint they will refund your money and do a charge back on the company that charged your card .

Pay pal is a joke when you try to file a complaint also if you are a verified
pay pal account you just gave them the authority to go into your personal account .

Everybody needs to check out pay pals rules you just open yourselves to a lot of problems with pay pal then try to talk to some one .

[Incognegro]

Credit card or check cards is a safe way to pay if anything is wrong just call your bank or credit card company file the complaint they will refund your money and do a charge back on the company that charged your card .

Pay pal is a joke when you try to file a complaint also if you are a verified
pay pal account you just gave them the authority to go into your personal account .

Everybody needs to check out pay pals rules you just open yourselves to a lot of problems with pay pal then try to talk to some one .

I have had pay pal on ebay for 8 years and never had one issue. However it has become a more buyer orientated atmosphere, cause ebay will not allow a seller to leave negative feedback any longer and does very little to non paying bidders.

[lotsof454sss]

Credit card or check cards is a safe way to pay if anything is wrong just call your bank or credit card company file the complaint they will refund your money and do a charge back on the company that charged your card .

Pay pal is a joke when you try to file a complaint also if you are a verified
pay pal account you just gave them the authority to go into your personal account .

Everybody needs to check out pay pals rules you just open yourselves to a lot of problems with pay pal then try to talk to some one .

The man is right all the way thru!!!!! ...... I have "BEEN THERE DONE THAT"

[Harbone]

[quote="ghustler"][quote="harbone66"][quote=ghustler][quote=harbone66]

.

And here is a picture of one of the hard to find Baldwin Motion Camaro's, notice the sidepipes? This was the look he was going for. I would call this far from being rigged down to stupid level.

http://www.lasvegasclassiccars.com/carpics/tn_Motion%20camaro%20magazine%20pictures%20010.jpg
I don't like these cars at all they look like a circus wagon.
And as far as buying from me, I have made and honer payment and will make another when I sell something on here again, It took 5 years to sell something on here the first time so it might be awhile.
But thanks guys for giving me negative feed back yet have never bought from me, you talk the talk, but thats it as usual.
And harbone66 thanks for taking me off your friends list, all you done was saved me some time doing it first, but don't worry I saved all the info about you incase I need to contact you some other way.
Its all OK for now.


If you feel the need to contact me in "some other way" feel free... :twisted:

[ghustler]

If you feel the need to contact me in "some other way" feel free...
Oh don't worry if I need some Camaro support I will.
Thank for the invitation.

[Scorpion1110]

If you feel the need to contact me in "some other way" feel free...
Oh don't worry if I need some Camaro support I will.
Thank for the invitation.

Chris:

Didnt you involve Law Enforcement for a threat you received on here? Inappropriate contact via USPS?

Ghustler you are not suggesting any inappropriate contact are you? We wouldnt want Chris to have to notify LE again.

Hustler you were obviously suggesting a thank you note to Chris providing you clarification pics of the Baldwin Motion Camaro and the right way to utilize sidepipes on a Gen 2 camaro, weren'tcha?

Scorp

[ghustler]

If you feel the need to contact me in "some other way" feel free...
Oh don't worry if I need some Camaro support I will.
Thank for the invitation.

Chris:

Didnt you involve Law Enforcement for a threat you received on here? Inappropriate contact via USPS?

Ghustler you are not suggesting any inappropriate contact are you? We wouldnt want Chris to have to notify LE again.

Hustler you were obviously suggesting a thank you note to Chris providing you clarification pics of the Baldwin Motion Camaro and the right way to utilize sidepipes on a Gen 2 camaro, weren'tcha?

Scorp
Again? Really, Maybe your the problem???
And if you can get a threat out of what i said then you can't read.

[Scorpion1110]

If you feel the need to contact me in "some other way" feel free...
Oh don't worry if I need some Camaro support I will.
Thank for the invitation.

Chris:

Didnt you involve Law Enforcement for a threat you received on here? Inappropriate contact via USPS?

Ghustler you are not suggesting any inappropriate contact are you? We wouldnt want Chris to have to notify LE again.

Hustler you were obviously suggesting a thank you note to Chris providing you clarification pics of the Baldwin Motion Camaro and the right way to utilize sidepipes on a Gen 2 camaro, weren'tcha?

Scorp
Again? Really, Maybe your the problem???
And if you can get a threat out of what i said then you can't read.

LOL

Scorp

[coolracing]

Group Hug!

[bugzzy1]

I know that everything is a matter of personal preference, but I'd trade my left nut for that "circus wagon". I've owned many Camaros from '68-'73 and bought several new. Mostly Z-28's. It was great in the early '70's. You could buy a 30k Z28 for under 3k. I bought a new 70 1/2 Z-28 and always tried to copy that Badwin Motion look. Wish I would've stashed some of the cars I've had. Hindsight 20/20!

[olds48]

I'd trade my left nut for that "circus wagon"

Man,please,if you ever see one of those for sale with my username...do not reply!!!! :lol:

[Scooterz]

I know that everything is a matter of personal preference, but I'd trade my left nut for that "circus wagon". I've owned many Camaros from '68-'73 and bought several new. Mostly Z-28's. It was great in the early '70's. You could buy a 30k Z28 for under 3k. I bought a new 70 1/2 Z-28 and always tried to copy that Badwin Motion look. Wish I would've stashed some of the cars I've had. Hindsight 20/20!

Amen. How many 1st gen Camaros could we have scored for 3K or less in the 80's?? I wish I would have kept DZ/4spd car!!!!

[bcw49]

Graduated from high school in 67 at the age of 17, and bought a RS Camaro for $2400.00

[Harbone]

My first Camaro was a 68 SS with a 327 automatic. I bought it in 1985 for $1900. You cant buy a rusted shell for that kind of money these days!
27 years later I have been through 12 first and second generation F-Bodies. Wish I still had them all!

[Scooterz]

My first Camaro was a 68 SS with a 327 automatic. I bought it in 1985 for $1900. You cant buy a rusted shell for that kind of money these days!
27 years later I have been through 12 first and second generation F-Bodies. Wish I still had them all!

I think I saw a pic of that one... was it blue? Wasn't that the car that you put a used 350 piston in (replaced cracked) on a weekend & were driving it again by Monday??? I love that story... high school dayz...

[Harbone]

That was the one Scooter! The guy I sold it to's 16 year old daughter drove it through a laundromat after she had her license for 3 days!

[novamaniac]

On Feb 8 2012 Mr Garay messaged that the parts were shipped. I guess I will have to live with it that he scammed me and cut my losses and get on with life. I hope the next person he does this to will catch up with him and choke the S O B .

[novamaniac]

Guess what people. Mr Garay (the scammer) is back under a new member name. He goes under the username camaro427joe so just a heads up,be careful that you don't get ripped off by him like I did.
Thanks

[novamaniac]

I just found Joe(John)Garay on 2 other sites also.
Team Camaro site under the name of 67prostreetcamaro and NastyZ28 site as camaro427joe. He seems to hang around the classifieds.
He must be looking for more victims to rip off.

[garayracing]

novamaniac..could you please reply to this ...this matter has been resolved a long time ago.i issued a full refund ..

[wazup]

novamaniac..could you please reply to this ...this matter has been resolved a long time ago.i issued a full refund ..

Show proof

[novamaniac]

After lots of feedback on this issue and people telling Mr. Garay to make things right he did finally refund me. I hope anyone that has any dealings with him are getting their parts. For me,lesson learned and only purchase from manufactures and performance shops.