RON'S FLYING TOILET "ANOTHER FIRST TIME USER"

[SPEEDNEEDS1]

I HAVE A 468 GM 990 HEADS, .714-.680 ROLLER CAMSHAFT, 12.9 COMPRESSION. I TRADED FOR THIS ENGINE AND IT CAME WITH THE FLYIN TIOLET. IT HAS A .39 JET IN THE NOZZLE, AND A .090 IN THE RETURN. ANY IDEA IF THIS IS CLOSE OR IS IT IN LEFT FIELD????? ANY HELP WOILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. ALLEN

[bbchevy]

Other than the Nozzles being on the LARGE Size it looks good!
Which is the NICE thing about a RONS set-up,BASIC!!!
I would lean more in the #36 Nozzle jet.
Hope that HELPS!!!!
Later
G 8)

[zipper06]

X2 the .090 return pill would be real close with a -1/2 pump. if you have a -1 pump around .115 pill.

Zip.

[SPEEDNEEDS1]

SORRY, I FORGOT TO MENTION, IT DOES HAVE A 1/2 PUMP. DO I JUST CALL RON'S TO GET JETS? AND DO I NEED TO GET A FEW DIFFERENT RETURN PILL SIZES JUST FOR FINE TUNING?
I NORMALLY RUN 38-40 DEGREES OF TIMING ON A ENGINE LIKE THIS ONE, WHAT SHOULD I RUN ON ALKY WITH THIS SET UP??

[bbchevy]

Might want to back off the Timing a Little,Every Motor Combo is Different?
I run about 35* on my 496.
Rons has the Stuff!
Later
G 8)

Check your PM Box,...........?

[hammertime]

I HAVE A 468 GM 990 HEADS, .714-.680 ROLLER CAMSHAFT, 12.9 COMPRESSION. I TRADED FOR THIS ENGINE AND IT CAME WITH THE FLYIN TIOLET. IT HAS A .39 JET IN THE NOZZLE, AND A .090 IN THE RETURN. ANY IDEA IF THIS IS CLOSE OR IS IT IN LEFT FIELD????? ANY HELP WOILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. ALLEN

Nozzle is big IMO also id rather see a 37 in there. With that head on there, I think you'll find it likes timing around 39-40 degrees.

Any idea where the barrel valve is set at ?

[markdunlap]

I think I would rather talk to James Monroe than Rons.

(Killer Rons) James Monroe, Bloomington, Indiana. Just Google him.

I was at his place last week with a friend who bought a dual toilet set up from him and he was very helpful on set up and tuning info. He has a good parts inventory too.

Just my opinion of course. And I didn't menntion I have Rons parts for sale on this site, did I?

[zipper06]

I would get a few return pills, .080 to .100 maybe in .005 increments, i set the barrel valve between 22 and 28 percent leakdown, depending the throttle response. Nozzle size is a toss up Ex: we're running 39's on a 514" ford with a -1 pump, i run 33's with a -1/2 pump, i built a 383 and he had 31's with a -1/2 pump, then i have a freind with 427 sm/blk that runs 36's with a "0" pump, i ask him why so big, he said because it works, i couldn't argue with that since he run consistent low 5.60's at 123 mph in a 55 shoebox weighing 2650 lbs.
I usually deal with Ron's because i knew him when he started in the 1980's when i lived in phx. Not to say i have anything against James Monroe, i just don't know him and i know he's hard to get touch with during the racing season.

JMO

[SPEEDNEEDS1]

SORRY TO SOUND DUMB, BUT I AM A FIRST TIME USER. HOW DO I SET BARRELL VALVE LEAKDOWN?? I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THAT NOR KNOW WHAT IT REALLY DOES. THANKS FOR ALL OF THE REPLIES SO FAR. CAN'T WAIT UNTIL RACE SEASON SO I CAN GIVE RESULTS........ THANKS.

[hammertime]

SORRY TO SOUND DUMB, BUT I AM A FIRST TIME USER. HOW DO I SET BARRELL VALVE LEAKDOWN?? I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THAT NOR KNOW WHAT IT REALLY DOES. THANKS FOR ALL OF THE REPLIES SO FAR. CAN'T WAIT UNTIL RACE SEASON SO I CAN GIVE RESULTS........ THANKS.

Do yourself a big favor, and read the info on this link

http://www.killerrons.com/why.cfm

[zipper06]

SORRY TO SOUND DUMB, BUT I AM A FIRST TIME USER. HOW DO I SET BARRELL VALVE LEAKDOWN?? I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THAT NOR KNOW WHAT IT REALLY DOES. THANKS FOR ALL OF THE REPLIES SO FAR. CAN'T WAIT UNTIL RACE SEASON SO I CAN GIVE RESULTS........ THANKS.

Do yourself a big favor, and read the info on this link

http://www.killerrons.com/why.cfm

Good point David,

Secondly leakdown testers can be purchased from $60.00 to $100.00 dollars, they also work on stacks injection as well as Hats injection. i keep mine in my trailer at all times. It seems like when i go to the track someone is asking to help them set their injection up when they are having problems.

Zip.

[SPEEDNEEDS1]

I READ THAT PAGE ON RON'S SITE AND HAVE ALOT BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT EVERYTHING DOES NOW, SOUNDS REALLY SIMPLE. I THINK AFTER GETTING THE CAR RUNNING IT WILL EASY TO MAKE FINE TUNE ADJUSTMENTS.

AS FAR AS A PRIMER, CAN I USE A NOS PLATE, CAP OFF THE NOS AND JUST SPRAY GAS WITH FUEL SOLINOID WIRED TO A PUSH BUTTON???? LOOKS LIKE IT WILL WORK TO ME.

[zipper06]

I personally don't use gas primer, but on the 514 Ford he has one with a 1 gas tank and uses it to warm the car up on gas which heats the engine up quicker than alcohol. I just spin the engine over a few times to get the oil pressure up and then give it a shot of gas to fire it up from a squirt can. After it's been warmed up which i do with the fuel 1/2 shut off (this helps stop oil milking) and let it idle to about 180 degrees. The big trick with Rons stuff is to shut the engine off and close the fuel shutoff at the same time, that way the fuel doen't leak back down, it then starts like a carberator after it's warmed up. I also go the the burn out box with the fuel shutoff at 1/2 open to keep the temperature up and then open the fuel all the way up. If you follow this procedure you will be amazed how well they work. Tuning a toilet bowl is easier that tripping over a log once you understand them, same with stacks injection or a hat injection.

JMO

Zip.

[SPEEDNEEDS1]

THANKS ZIP, I THINK THAT IT WILL BE EASY TO TUNE AFTER A FEW PASSES.

[SPEEDNEEDS1]

I HAVE BOUGHT A APD CARB FOR MY NEW ENGINE, I SOLD THE 468. NEW ENGINE IS A 540. IT HAS MERLIN III HEADS AND MERLIN X INTAKE, ANYONE RAN THESE TO KNOW IF THEY ARE ANY GOOD.

[SPEEDNEEDS1]

I STILL HAVE THE FLYING TOILET IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED..... $1000.00 WITH PORTED 454-R INTAKE.

[hammertime]

I HAVE BOUGHT A APD CARB FOR MY NEW ENGINE, I SOLD THE 468. NEW ENGINE IS A 540. IT HAS MERLIN III HEADS AND MERLIN X INTAKE, ANYONE RAN THESE TO KNOW IF THEY ARE ANY GOOD.

Put that 454R intake on and dump the merlin X what size carb did you buy for it ? gas, alky 2 or 3 circuit ?

[SPEEDNEEDS1]

IT IS A 1150 ALKY, WHY DUMP THE MERLIN INTAKE???? I DID NOT TELL JOHN THAT I HAD THE 454-R BUT DID MENTION THE MERLIN AND HE SAID WITH A GASKET MATCH ONLY IT WOULD BE FINE. NOT SAYING YOUR WRONG, JUST ASKING. HAVE YOU EVER RAN ONE?

[zipper06]

I have to agree with David on this one, although i've never ran a Merlin manifold, but i also recommend a 454R and any B/BLK chevy i build or have ever ran. Last example 468" 1050 Dom. with a 200 shot Zex plate. Engine runs 9.77@138 and change in a 3700 lb Biscyne less driver on a 10.25 CR pump gas motor, also very streetable. We fill up the tow vehicle and the Biscyne at shell, go racing then come home and bolt up the mufflers and drive to Sonic.
But then i also wish you would have given the Toilet bowl a chance, i really think you would have liked it and the performance, even on the 540 motor. Not questioning the APD because they have excellent carbs.

Zip.

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[hammertime]

IT IS A 1150 ALKY, WHY DUMP THE MERLIN INTAKE???? I DID NOT TELL JOHN THAT I HAD THE 454-R BUT DID MENTION THE MERLIN AND HE SAID WITH A GASKET MATCH ONLY IT WOULD BE FINE. NOT SAYING YOUR WRONG, JUST ASKING. HAVE YOU EVER RAN ONE?

You'll enjoy the carb, they do good work there. I've not ran it, but just know from results others have had its not a great intake. The 454r is a nice intake, many run that intake on 468-582s and love it. I keep one on the shelf just for that reason. You could always try both intakes.

Is the APD carb the new style 3 circuit or the older style 2 circuit ?

[SPEEDNEEDS1]

It is a old style that I had converted from gas to alky last season but I ran gas the rest of the season. This is going to be my first alky experence. John is a friend of mine so I think he will steer me in the right dirrection if I get lost, I just don't want to bother him with all of these pre-race questions.

Thanks for all of the help!!

[SPEEDNEEDS1]

If the toilet does not sell within the next day or two, I think I will keep it and try it after the new car bugs are all lined out.