Don't ya just LOVE how peaceful 'unions' are ????

[TheYellaBrick]

http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/article/20110311/WDH0101/303110067/Multimedia-18-GOP-senators-report-getting-death-threats?odyssey=tab

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Link?

[outlaw256]

if it wasnt for unions no one would make the money or have the benefits that we all enjoy today.unions set the standard that we all work by today.

[itsabird]

if it wasnt for unions no one would make the money or have the benefits that we all enjoy today.unions set the standard that we all work by today.well said, we must never forget, that when we talk unions, for the most part we are talking people, working people, the ones that produce, or buy products that companies make, one can't do without the other, when the scales are tilted to far toward one or the other, the whole system will suffer, but if it has to tilt, imo it should always tilt toward the working people, they are the one that spend, keeping the econ moving in other words.

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if it wasnt for unions no one would make the money or have the benefits that we all enjoy today.unions set the standard that we all work by today.

Unions have their place. They have done a lot of good. They have also hurt some industries.

Private sector unions represent workers that are employed by businesses that are trying to save the most money they can. You have a check and balance system.

Public sector unions are representing worker that are employed by the politicians they helped elect. These politicians are spending money that isn't theirs. It's the taxpayers. They end up not fighting for a fair compromise for the fear of losing votes.

[TheYellaBrick]

It's NOT the workers that I'm against, it's the Union hierarchy that uses the workers as pawns for their own POWER/MONEY grabs. The reason all of our 'stuff' is made overseas is because of more and more stringent regulations and higher and higher costs of 'doing business in the USA' of which a GREAT portion is high wages and all the lifetime bennies the businesses have to pay to union workers.
Granted, back in the early days the unions DEFINITELY had their place and still do today. HOWEVER, their thirst for POWER has taken away from the original goal.
The big deal TODAY is our nation is BROKE!! As Barry has said time and again,"We ALL need to make sacrifices"..... :roll: :oops: That means ALL of U.S. INCLUDING union workers. Our 'president' and the 'unions' are not willing to 'make those sacrifices', but they sure want MORE and MORE POWER !!

[outlaw256]

ok boys, ill agree with you on this on.lol unions of yesteryear, were needed and badly. i was a teamster for awhile.we voted it in . i watchedthen take a good company to work for, they just wouldnt pay for what we did, and we kept gettin more and more of the profits so they just closed the doors. all the money in the pot dont do a damn bit of good if they lock the doors.detriot, making 44.hr.to work on a assembly line.plus government invovlement and my challanger is still sittin onn the show room floor cause i cant afford it. thou my wife does own a 300c HEMI

[burmie1932]

First off I do work at a union mill in Wi. The first thing that is troubling is the fact that the three public union employee groups that are NOT targeted backed Gov. Walker in the election. These people are both union and public employees yet they were not asked to help their state in this supposed grim time of need with the debt. I believe the public employees should pay a share in their insurance, I pay about 15% On the other hand if the Gov. wants them to help with their "pension" , why not change to a 401k? That way the employee contributes the majority, and the state does a small match. Say .50 to 1.00 per dollar invested on the first 6% or so. Just my two cents. Lastly I am glad I only have 2 to 3 more yrs. to work. I think this will result in a bigger mess then we have now. Steve

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First off I do work at a union mill in Wi. The first thing that is troubling is the fact that the three public union employee groups that are NOT targeted backed Gov. Walker in the election.

Which groups are you talking about? I heard that the groups the left claimed backed him really did not. Only a small percentage of them did.

[burmie1932]

There are at least 10 to 15 different agreements/contracts with public employee groups. I know one that was not included in this bill was the state patrol. I will check to find out some others. If you want more info on how this was pushed through. There are lots of sites on line. Some for,some not. According to one site the funded pension plan ,that was in place, was voted in by the Wi. state Senate and Legislature many years ago. If you understand contract talks there is always give and take on both sides. These employees were willing to pay more for Insurance and towards pensions. That was not enough for Gov. Walker. He would not give these people/unions collective bargaining. If the bill stands the raises would be cost of living percentages only. One more thing a Dane County judge put a hold on this bill Friday. The Att. Generals office will appeal. They said they know that Curcuit court judges are known to be wrong and make misstakes.

[Scooterz]

Here is what I see today:

Because of ONE OR TWO disgruntled employee who were whiners & did not want work hard, contacted a Union Organizer to come in to my work & try to force a Union takeover. NOTHING BUT TROUBLE & LIES!! They LIED about our sales, they lied to our plant workers based on info the got from the "Internet"???? Now we pay to fight this stupidity (w/ simple euducation) there is a hiring freeze I am told, whatever. We pay employees to go to Union meetings instead of WORK??? What a joke... they say they "protect the rights of the worker" but those same workers are governed by Union dues & they can have thier hourly wage attacked too???? Common myth #1 with Unions: You will get a better wage. NOT TRUE. Sorry, Unions may have thier place, but not where I work. I think the Union will going to be SHOCKED when they see how many people actually vote for it. So far they are disruptive & have caused my company time & money.

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On the other hand if the Gov. wants them to help with their "pension" , why not change to a 401k? That way the employee contributes the majority, and the state does a small match. Say .50 to 1.00 per dollar invested on the first 6% or so.

I agree with you. My understanding is that they can not change items like this due to the union. It is covered in the collective bargaining. I heard the teacher's insurance is through the union. The state would like to give them the same insurace the state employees have. They say it would save millions. Once again, it's covered by collective bargaining.

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BTW, I was a Teamster till the company closed.

[lively]

Been on both sides for over 30 years --the unions had their place but have gone way to far now.
My union would tell you who to and how to vote and if you didn't -suddenly -you did not get sent out as much. That is WRONG period.

The teachers union and alot of government workers unions are completely out of control 8)

The taxpayer should NEVER be paying ALL their insurance premiums/all their pensions/ and all their perks ,too.

SORRY guys but we[ the taxpayer are getting the shaft on ALL this government stuff and we need to start standing up and hollering about this crime that they are commiting] :evil:

FROM THE MOST CORRUPT/ CROOKED STATE IN AMERICA--ILLINIOS :shock:

[outlaw256]

well iwas pro union back in the day. they have left us a legacy of good wages and fair treatment.shops that are non union pay good now.and the benefits are fair.and thats without you having to pay dues.some pay good to keep unions out, some pay good because they know to get good workers you pay good wages.they had their day.they accomplished together what we couldnt do alone.but times have changed and now it is time to put the guns away and go to work to rebuild our country. to produce the best products and get the job done.and have pride in our work once again.we dont need unions to do that anymore we just need a chance.when the government gets out of a companies buisness and lets use produce the products here without all the redtape and controls people wont be afraid to open up buisnesses to put us to work again.

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Well said outlaw!!!!!

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The internet has changed the world. A person can log on and see what other companies pay. This give the employee more bargaining power. Companies have to give more to lure skilled employees to thier location. Job search sites give you the ability to look for jobs everywhere. You can fill out applications on line or email a resume. You don't have to go door to door or drive a long way.

10 years ago, Harley dealers in this area used to be the same way as bad employers. They charged thousands over msrp because when you walked through the door, you thought they were charging the same as other dealers. They claimed there was a "waiting list" to buy bikes. You could pay even more to be put to the front of the line.

As more and more people got online, the Harley dealers found out they had to get more in line with others across the country. They now charge MSRP or less.

Same goes with employers. Yes there are bad ones that take advantage of people but they have a high turn over rate. The good companies will have a fair wage with good benefits whether they are union or not.

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Here's a good example. People say Gov Walker is evil for taking away bargaining rights. Please correct me if I'm reading this wrong.

Oshkosh teachers get 90 SICK DAYS A YEAR!!!!!!!!!

http://www.oshkosh.k12.wi.us/staff/sick_oea.cfm

Article 20 of the collective bargaining agreement summarizes the employee rights to use income protection “sick leave.”

A. All teachers shall be guaranteed ninety (90) teaching days of income protection for each teaching contract year in the event of absences due to sickness or disability. Such income protection shall be prorated for teachers teaching less than full time.
B. Absences of illness in the immediate family shall be covered by this provision, provided such absences are caused by critical illness, a sudden call for suspected critical condition, the necessity of taking a member of the family to the hospital, or the making of arrangements for care due to sudden illness, but shall not apply to cases where the employee’s presence is required as a nurse, or as a caretaker, or to provide for the operation of the family due to sickness or an accident in the family.
c. The Board reserves the right to send an employee to a physician at district expense for an examination when deemed necessary. Such teacher will submit to such examination unless refusal is based on bona fide religious convictions.
D. Teachers shall not continue to draw daily income protection benefits after they become eligible for benefits under the district’s Long Term Disability Plan; however, any unused days shall remain in the teacher’s personal account.
("Personal account" defined as being those unused income protection days remaining of the original ninety (90) days.)

[TheYellaBrick]

'THEY' don't need the 'unions' anymore in 'their' desire to destroy our western way of life.....Pass this on to every person you know.....

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/revealed-the-lefts-economic-terrorism-playbook-the-chase-campaign-for-a-coalition-of-unions-community-groups-lawmakers-and-students-to-take-down-us-capitalism-and-redistribute-wealth-power/

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[TheYellaBrick]

And this is just a preview of 'things to come'

http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/03/22/seiu-protesters-take-over-bank-hq/

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[outlaw256]

what these dumba$$ people dont stop to think about is if we take it away from the wealthy whose gonna have money to open up more buisnesses.and why should you, youll get a share of some elses money so why do anything.the world has gone to sh-- and im glad im not gonna live long enough to see it all happen.but mark my words there is a armed conflict coming in our future. another civil war so to speak.and it will change the u.s. forever.

[TheYellaBrick]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/workers-of-the-world-unite-wisconsin-civil-war-monument-defaced-in-protest/

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