Tom Jones AKA Tomsrods is a scammer

[SUPERBARTMAN]

I traded my 66 Chevy 11 to Tom Jones AKA tomsrod 2 weeks ago and here are the problems. Tom ran this ad 2066300 and stated that it was in new condition. It does look like it doesn't it. This is the tractor I thought I was trading for. The problem is Tom does not and has never owned this tractor. It is a 2004 Massey Ferguson advertised and owned by Abele Tractors in Albany NY. If you go to Able Tractors you can find the exact picture Tom used to scam me. Tom ran another ad of his tractor the day we were supposed to trade and immediately deleted it so that could say that he had advertised it. This was the ad I found in my search. Ad 2083774. This could be the same tractor since they are the same model and the only real difference is that this tractor in like new cond. and is 2 years older. I find all this information on line later after we made the trade.

Tom was supposed to deliver the tractor on Sun. but late Sat. afternoon I got a call from Tom that he was on his way. I told him it would be late when he got here and it would be dark and was cold and raining. Plus I was in the middle of pulling an engine from the Chevy 11 that I was trading. What perfect timing for a true professional scammer and ideal conditions for the scam. He is a true professional at this and the lies just keep pouring from his mouth. He can't stop. He has deleted his ads now but was misrepresenting the Chevy 11 that I had traded him. See ad 2098900. Tom states the car has run in 9's and will run in 8's on spray. The car never has or never will run this. It does not have the tires and suspension to run these numbers even if it had enough hp.

I realized on Sun. morning that Tom had not delivered the tractor I thought I was trading for. It showed significant wear on tires and in general the tractor etc. To compound matters when I started the tractor up and moved it I could hear a noise like gears grinding in the trans. and the tractor would not go into 4 wheel drive. I then drove it down the road in front of my house and the trans. was screaming. I loaded the tractor on my trailer and decided that I would get a professional opinion before I called Tom. Our local Massey Ferguson dealer inspected the tractor and found that there was a problem in the 4 wheel drive of the trans or the rearend. They would have to pull it apart to know. I brought the tractor home and called Tom. He denied knowing the tractor was broken. I told him I would like for to cover the repair bill. I took the tractor to another tractor dealer after talking to Tom. Their diagnosis was that there was a problem in the 4 wheel drive and they suggested not using it. I left the tractor for them to break it apart and find the problem. 2 weeks later they pulled it apart and found 2 ground up gears and 1 busted bearing and 1 damaged bearing plus misc. parts in the trans. crankcase. The 4 wheel drive shaft showed a lot of wear where ther bearings were and also had to be replaced. The mechanic said this shows that the trans. has been broken for a long time and the tractor used for a long time under these conditions causing more damage. The trans is encased in oil and it takes a long time for wear to show on parts like this even when broke. The bill to repair the tractor is $1055 and attempts to get Tom to return my calls and messages have failed.

He did finally respond on RJ and denied any responsibility and denied payment. He won't even talk about using someone's else's equipment and picture on RJ to advertise his.

Tom is also misleading RJ members that he lives in Greenup Ky when he actually lives in Harrodsburg Ky. Go figure!

What Tom has done is false advertisement, bait and switch and could be considered fraud. I am turning it over to (IC3), Internet Crime Complaint Center and will let them deal with him. One of their branches is the FBI.

If you have had a bad deal with Tom I would like to know. I ran an ad on RJ today about the scam and Tom had it deleted. I did get several responses from other members about Tom Jones AKA tomsrod scamming or attempting to scam them.

Those are the only type of responses I want. I don't need help, I will take care of it. This scammer ad is basically to let others know that we have another bad scammer among us.

Thanks


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[SUPERBARTMAN]

It's tomsrod not tomsrods!!!!! I stand corrected! Watch for his ad's on my old 66 Chevy 11. Any questions about the car ask me and I will tell you. Tom has deleted his ads as of now. I don't think he wants attention since he is being watched.

[mopar1968]

I sent him a message let's see if he responds :!:











Mark

[dthotrods]

first of all this guy goes buy SUPERBARTMAN. not rednova or whatever it is. 2nd i did not lie about anything im just going by what i was told. 3rd he is a liar and i can and will prov it. my last post on the tractor is here as states, there are no lies or none to be intended.
WILL TRADE FOR PRE 72
LIKE NEW
Ad #2083782 Posted:2010-12-30 23:20:01
This ad expires in 61 days.
$14,000.00
as you can see there is a date and time also the ad number. me and bart johnson traded on the first of jan after he called my house 2 times that day and talked, the thrid time i called him back and we talked about doing the trade that day.
why would i leave on a 4hr trip not knowing if i was trading or not. bart knew good and well what i did because of my job i work 28 days and off 28 days, i copied and pasted a pic of a tractor that didnt even look as good as mine, one pic. never did i say that was the same tractor or did i say anything about that tractor and he knows this i told him. the same story is told of the tractor in this ad as well. i drove to his house 4 or 5 hr trip, was at his house 3 or 4 hrs pulling the engine with my bro-in-law, he looked at it,inspected it, and liked it! nothing was wrong at the time of trade with it. he has a 5,6,or7 car garage with plenty of room and lights and had plenty of time to operate and inspect more. he heard it run and operate as well. so if you are this stupid bart johnson to get on here and lie thats another story. i will post all confersation we made on rj the past day,i have all my phone records also to prove anything, i did not mislead anyone or anything. anyone that trades off of one pic alone is not very brite in the head, you couldve changed your mind at anytime and i did not rush either. by the way you should really read the thing you have to check at the top before posting something not true.

[dthotrods]

here are some of the mess guys, i have more i can put on here also if ya want, idc who sees them i have nothing to hide, not by name or anything else. i do live in greenup,ky also. On [2011-01-21 08:37:19] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > Tom,
> > > > > > > > You can talk and lie until you are blue in the face but the fact still remains that the tractor you advertised and the one I thought I was trading to was not yours but belonged to Abele Tractor and Equipment in Albany NY. That is FRAUD. I guess you have NO shame, ethics or morals either. Most crooks don't. Everyone will know what you did and you can't lie out of your own false advertising and fradulent ad's. No one will trade with you anymore. I will pay for the broken tractor repair that you switched on me but everyone will know. Shame!
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> > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 23:31:22] tomsrod wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > ok thanks tom.
> > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 22:56:31] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I don't text. More proof that you tried to cover up your fraud. I have every ad you ever ran in my files now. It's your ass and jail, that is all. I really hate to see you put your family through this. They are really nice and deserve better. I liked Johnny too. I knew there was a problem with you though. Things just didn't match up. After tomorrow the money for the repairs will be irrelevent and second nature.
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> > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 22:49:09] tomsrod wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > my last post on tractor was on december 30th, i have proof ad 2083782, it was this ad you contacted me about a trade it on jan 1 about the same ad, we traded that night, and aso texted me on this same number on racing junk, so you stop studering and lien and be a man. thanks tom [2011-01-20 22:25:49] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > When am I going to get that nice tractor in the picture? You know the one you don't own.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 22:12:26] tomsrod wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Also here is the ad of the last ad i posted on tractor 2083782. Thats when you contacted me.You called me and said i see you got your tractor back online i have the hole conversation recorded on answer machine, so do not threated me my family or anyone i know. Do what you have to do, You waited 2 days anything could have happened and by the way your talking it did, I had a picture a massey ferguson tractor, I stated what I had for sale or trade, everything in my statments were true, there was no fraud commited. thanks tom[2011-01-20 21:49:07
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 22:03:42] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dumb ass, THIS IS NOT YOUR TRACTOR. Take another look. I know you wanted it to be that is why you used someone else's tractor in your ad. FRAUD! NOT YOUR TRACTOR. FRAUD! You can't lie out of this.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was the top of my law clsses in college and I took classes until just a few years ago. Tomorrow it all begins and the money is irrelivant. You asked for it!
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 21:49:07] tomsrod wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no sir, you quit acting like a child.I never commited no fraud, and what your talking about is slander, read up on the laws. i never said no such thing about a guarantee a warranty or money back, im not asking for money back for my loss i suggest you do the same thank you. tom
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 21:29:23] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the last time I am asking you tom, just pay the stupid bill. If not you will start getting contacts tomorrow about the fraud you committed. The bill will be irrelevant at that point and I will see that you pay for what you did. Just do it and quit fabricatin more lying shit. You are running out of lies.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 20:33:48] tomsrod wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You told me paint was about year old, you said that, so so much right for your word and it was not raining at time we unloaded tractor, and you did not give me nothing, i received a car without motor or trany, so you did not give me nothing and everything was as is in deal but you did say car was street legal and all lights worked and they did not and i did not misrepresent nothing, as for tires you looked at them yourselve, you looked at tractor you should said this then not now. thanks tom
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 17:36:03] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In regard to the Chevy 11, the only holes in the lower firewall that I knew about was a couple where the MSD box was mounted. So you had to put a plug or couple of wires on the headlights. That is not a big deal. The brakes were disc brakes on the rear. Yes they were tight from sitting that is all. I restored the car 10 years ago and yes i painted it too. I did all the restoration myself. I think the car is great to be 45 years old and so do you. We both know what happened with the tractor and especially you know it. Not only is it misrepresentation it is fraud to advertise someone else's tractor then deliver a different one. That is what happened here.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need you to help pay for the tractor bill. You need to do the right thing. Let me know. My address is Bart Johnson 1357 Skelton Bluff Rd. Kingsport, Tn.37660
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bart
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 14:34:28] tomsrod wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We never did neg with a warranty or gaurentee on either side, and i never said i would pay a total bill. You used the tractor for 2 days and then called me at end of second day of using it and ask to help you a little and all I said was to call, nothing more. The night I delivered the tractor there was nothing wrong to my knowledge when I delivered to you, I told you to operate it and drive it and you refused there was no whinning or anything noticable at the time, also I would not have delivered it on a 4 hr trip if knowing something was wrong with it, the place i bought tractor from has been in buisness for 50 years and there was nothing wrong then. Put yourself in my shoes for a min. you told me the lights work and they did not, they was not even hooked up also you said the rearend was breaks and was not, there was holes at the bottom of the firewall that had to be fixed also Think of money I have already spent to get these things fix, trust me its been well over 1000.00 . Also, You have not heard me complain or ask for a dime to get these things fixed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 10:52:13] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom,
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It took me a couple of weeks to get the 4 wheel drive unit and trans pulled apart on the tractor.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There were broken bearing parts and gear parts in the bottom of the case and the shaft was worn from operation of the tractor for a long time with a broken bearings and gears floating around. 2 gears were badly damaged on the 4 wheel drive shaft. The shaft and gears are encased in a bath of oil and It takes a long time to wear on the shaft under these conditions. We know it was already done when I got the tractor.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The tractor dealer doing the repair is Eaton and Son Tractors and Repain in Blountville Tn. and the chief mechanic and owner is Melvin Eaton. Feel free to call him at 423-323-4902 if you have any questions. He has been in the tractor business and repair for 32 years.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The current bill is $795 parts and $260 Labor if they don't have to completely remove and dissemble the transmission to get the shaft out. They are not sure what it will take to get the shaft out to replace it. The total current bull is $1055. You said you didn't know that the tractor was broken when you brought it to me. This being the case the right thing to do would be to cover the repair expense of $1055 as I had previously requested when we talked about the problem with the tractor on the phone. It will be ready in a couple of days and I need the money to pick it up.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I left messages on your cell and home phone yesterday when I got the total cost bill. My no. is home 423-246-1998 and cell is 423-742-0422. Call me or email me and I will give you my address again to send the money.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bart
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bart
common bart lets put phone calls and everything on here idc,let them judge this for themselves. you had plenty of time to say no and you begged to trade and you seen the tractor run and operate you was happy until 2 days later you tore it up then wanted me to pay for it. yea right

[dthotrods]

PRO-STREET BEAST
66 CHEVY ll
Ad #2102182 Posted:2011-01-17 22:09:42
This ad expires in 78 days.



1966 CHEVY ll ALL NEW.
NEW HEADLINER,CARPET,DOOR PANELS,DASH,RUBBER,WINDOWS ECT.
PAINT LESS THAN 1 YR AND EXTREMELY NICE,PRO STAR CRAGER LITES,NO TUB ON THIS ONE.CHROME IS LIKE NEW,FRAME TIED AND REINFORCED,8 POINT CAGE PAINTED SAME AS CAR,B@M RATCHET SHIFTER WITH TRANS BRAKE,SUMMIT ALUM GAUGES IN ALUM SUMMIT DISPLAY BOX,MALLORY TACH WITH SHIFT LIGHT,G-FORCE RACING SEATS,ECT.ECT.ECT.

ENGINE WAS A 70 MODEL VETTE 350/370 HP 4 BOLT MAIN. NOW IS A 383 STROKER WITH
ELDERBROCK PERFORMER RPM ALUMINUM HEADS WITH 595 LIFT VALVE LASH,24 1.5 ROLLER ROCKERS AND A SOLID ROLLER CAM.
CALLIES DRAGONSLAYER CRANK
MSD EQUIPTED WITH 8.5 WIRES,IGNITION,MSD PRO POWER HVC COIL,SUPER PRO MINI STARTER,CARRILO/TRW ALL FORGED,NEW ALUMINUM PULLEY SYSTEM WITH A 5 POINT BELT.
2 NOS CHEATER PLATE SYSTEMS WITH 2 NITROUS EXPRESS 15LB BOTTLES MOUNTED
15 GALLON FUEL CELL IN THE REAR WITH A 10 AN LINE
TRANS COOLER WITH ALL BRAIDED LINES FOR FUEL AND TRANNY FROM FRONT TO REAR.
POWERGLIDE WITH A 3800 STALL
FIRST STAGE OF NOS AT 175HP WHEN GAS IS TO THE FLOOR AND 2ND STAGE AT 250 HP.
FORD 9 WITH 456 GEARS WITH NEW DISC
BRAKE SYSTEM.
USE THIS CAR FOR SHOW / PLAY OR STREET / TRACK. THIS IS A VERY EXTREMELY NICE CAR.

here is the last post i made on the 17th about the nova before i left for work. it is now the 22nd i left on the 19th and took it off but will repost prob in a few days. i have spent a ton of money on this car now and also i took off the 8,9, or 10's i had on there from before cause i didnt know if it was true, i only post what im told, most of us traders dont have something long enough to even remember the color of the last trade so we have to go on somebody elses word of what it was.

[dthotrods]

common guys i really want someone to tell me how i scamed this guy. with as much time as he had looking at my tractor we traded for and as he said he loved it, i really want to know. somebody post and say im a no good sob or something please. please tell me how im a low life. common guys.
im really wandering on this superbartman aka rednova or whoever you go buy.lol

[dthotrods]

MikeandMike of Ocala Fl are not dependable and reneggers.
bartmans other post on here. he is a bi-polar person with a iq of 10 watch out fella's

[racefan55]

here is my opinion.. if a guy brings me a vehicle, tractor, or whatever else it may be, to my home, it is up to me to inspect it at that time.. if he comes and we trade, i dont get up the next morning and realize "what did i do?" there is no sense because i own it.. thats called traders remourse..

i met tom jones when i first started on this site.. i can not speak for other people but i can tell you that the man has always been straight up with me.. he and i were talking trade on another nova he had listed a couiple weeks ago, and tom told me every single nit picking detail about the nova.. i later looked at the car in person and thought it was nice and that tom had picked his car too much.. "he was just being honest"

like i said, i speak for myself and tom has always been upfront with me.. this bart guy seems as if he has a case of the blues.. i will know in the future not to deal with him on trades because i dont baby trade.. if i trade and whatever i get falls into, i still own it..
"time to put your big boy pants on, and move on"

[Scorpion1110]

Welcome Back Bart-

I see your string of bad luck dealing with people continues. ;)

http://forums.racingjunk.com/viewtopic.php?t=14771&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Scorp

[Goomba]

Welcome Back Bart-

I see your string of bad luck dealing with people continues. ;)

http://forums.racingjunk.com/viewtopic.php?t=14771&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Scorp

Is this Tom Jones the singer. :lol:

[MEMRACING62]

ANOTHER SUPERBARTMAN AKA REDDNOVA WHINE THREAD. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[SUPERBARTMAN]

Thanks Scorp.

Yes I trade a lot on here and have been trading all my life. Way, way before RJ. It is a hobby and used to be a business when I was a wholesale car dealer. If you trade enough sooner or later you will let your guard down and one gets you. I am guilty of that. He got me. It will cost me $1055 if they don't have to dissemble the trans. completely. If they do I am out the additional expense plus cost of towing the tractor to two different dealers. It will be fixed by next week I hope. I need it on my farm.

Tom Jones is slicker than snot. HE IS ONE OF THE BETTER, SLICKER ONES. He is a professional scammer. The second best liar I have ever seen. The other one I knew was so bad that lying Wink was his nickname and if you ever quoted him you had to pay whoever you were talking to $50 just to listen. We learned not to quote him too much! LOL!

Tom is ranting and raving about my 66 Chevy 11 that he traded for "rolling chassis only". Tom's brother in law Johnny helped me pull the motor and trans. while Tom walked around and pretended he didn't know anything. Some scammers do that you know. That way it is hard to hold them responsible. You get "I didn't know," He is real proud of it and should be. It is not everyday you can trade a broken down switched tractor to someone for a nice Chevy 11 like this. He thinks it is worth $28000 now and is already misrepresenting it. He has pulled all his ad's now but I have them.

Bottom line: ad. 2066300 false advertisement of someone else's tractor that Tom never owned. It is the same model etc. but 2 years newer and belongs to Abele Tractor and Equipment in Albany NY. Nice tractor. This is the one I thought I was trading for. Not only that, Tom took his picture from their ad. It's still on their site. Tom and I even discussed the backhoe on the back and Tom advised me he didn't get the backhoe with the tractor.
He assured me the tractor is in new condition and it looks it doesn't it. He did mention on the phone that it was a little dirty. You will see the setup.

Look at the pic. he posted on the other ad. 2083774. A little dirty isn't it. See where he was going in the scam. It's also got a top and no backhoe. Same tractor model, just 2 years older and not in new condition. Maybe just dirty. If you deliver it in the middle of a cold night in a rain storm most people wouldn't know the difference. The broken transmission will not noticed either. It does run and move. Just won't go in 4 wheel drive. Tom wasn't supposed to deliver the tractor until Sun. daytime but I got a call late Sat. that he was on his way and he had to come that night so his brother in law Johnny could come and help. I have found in my experience that scammers usually travel in 2's. Yep! They do!

I am guilty of trusting people a little much and I did that. Like I said, Tom is a professional scammer and slick as snot. Several people have come forward that Tom has scammed or tried to scam. There will be many more.

Bottom line, Bait and Switch and fraud on the internet is a crime. Tom is guilty of a crime and I am turning it over to (IC3) for prosecution.

Thanks for your interest but I will take care of this. Just ask Lying Tom why he advertised someone else's tractor for his own. He won't talk about this but he will talk about everything else in the world to distract you. If you quote him you will have to give me $50.

Have a great day Scorp!
I will see you in the Scammer Forums. I am letting the (IC3), FBI handle this. I am sure in your scammer hunt you are aware of them.

[Harbone]

I think racefan got it right, you physically had this tractor in your hands, had time to inspect it thoroughly and still made the decision to trade. Sounds like traders remorse to me, you have got no case with internet fraud. Seems like you always get used in some deal on here, maybe you should stop trading...JMO :roll:

[dthotrods]

guys thanks for at least looking from my eyes, the tractor in the ad i even said it before was just a pic that looked like mine, when i got home from 28 days of work i took the other pics of my tractor. 678 hrs for a tractor is not hardly anything and the only thing he has to say about it the night we showed up was the tires are scuffed a little on top not worn but scuffed. HE LOOKED AT IT, HE INSPECTED IT, HE LOVED IT!!! then told me to pull it off and park it. i tried to get him several times to operate it and he refused to do so. also ME AND MY BRO-IN-LAW PULLED THE MOTOR AND TRANNY bart kept complaining that he was a old man and couldnt hardly do anything anymore, also bart im not any kind of mech and never claimed to be but some of us can turn a wrench from time to time! he has a 5, 6 or 7 car garage with lights to inspect everything, the tractor in my newest ad was a better looking tractor even, you called me, you wanted to trade and said it would only take 1/2 hr to pull the engine(that was bs) and YOU GAVE ME YOUR ADDRESS TO COME TO YOUR HOUSE THAT NIGHT. said he would pay half on gas also ($50.) was all i got, now how many of you could do the drive pulling a mid size tractor with a tahoe 4 or 5 hrs 1 way for $50 bucks? 2 DAYS AFTER A TRADE HE CALLS AND SAID I TRADED HIM A BROKE TRACTOR BUT IT WORKED FINE WHEN I DEL IT BART, THEN DEMANDS 1055 FROM ME, he couldve did anything to it ANYTHING IN 2 DAYS, i dont know about you guys but when i get a new toy im in / on it the next morning ready to go. AND FOR ANYBODY ELSE OUT THERE IF I EVER MAKE A DEAL I OFFER NO WARRANTY'S OR GARANTEE'S OF ANYKIND. SORRY. but anyhow im still here and still going to be trading and i will tell you everything to the best of my knowledge that i can. and if you make a trade with BART BE PREPARED TO HAVE A WARRANTY BECAUSE HE WILL FIND SOMETHING A FEW DAYS, WEEKS, YRS LATER TO SAY ABOUT IT. thanks tom

[dthotrods]

bart also i would love to know whos came forward about me scamming them so we could get them to come on here and explain how i did so? please if your going to say it and recieve post atleast prove it and back it up or say nothing at all. THIS GUY HAS DONE IT ALL ALSO FELLAS HE HAS A LAW DEGREE AND JUST QUIT STUDY 2 YRS AGO.LOL ALSO HE OWNS A CAR LOT FOR MANY YRS.LOL WHATEVER BART. YOUR BACKGROUND CHECK SAYS YOUR FULL OF S!@T. WHY GO BY TWO NAMES ANYHOW? REDDNOVA / SUPERBARTMAN? YOU REMIND ME OF A FAT KID IN A CANDY SHOP WITHOUT ANY MONEY.

[BEAST477]

I've heard this song before. Just the lyrics have been changed a little. :wink:

[MEMRACING62]

SUPERBARTMAN /REDDNOVA, It seems you were given oportunity to do your due diligence before the trade. You accepted its condition.....DONE DEAL!

[jacksrides]

I have traded with Tom a couple of times and I think he is a outstanding and honest person. I would do business with him again. Tom I am still in practice if you need anything or advise give me a ring.

[Scorpion1110]

Thanks Scorp.

Yes I trade a lot on here and have been trading all my life. Way, way before RJ. It is a hobby and used to be a business when I was a wholesale car dealer. If you trade enough sooner or later you will let your guard down and one gets you. I am guilty of that. He got me. It will cost me $1055 if they don't have to dissemble the trans. completely. If they do I am out the additional expense plus cost of towing the tractor to two different dealers. It will be fixed by next week I hope. I need it on my farm.

Tom Jones is slicker than snot. HE IS ONE OF THE BETTER, SLICKER ONES. He is a professional scammer. The second best liar I have ever seen. The other one I knew was so bad that lying Wink was his nickname and if you ever quoted him you had to pay whoever you were talking to $50 just to listen. We learned not to quote him too much! LOL!

Tom is ranting and raving about my 66 Chevy 11 that he traded for "rolling chassis only". Tom's brother in law Johnny helped me pull the motor and trans. while Tom walked around and pretended he didn't know anything. Some scammers do that you know. That way it is hard to hold them responsible. You get "I didn't know," He is real proud of it and should be. It is not everyday you can trade a broken down switched tractor to someone for a nice Chevy 11 like this. He thinks it is worth $28000 now and is already misrepresenting it. He has pulled all his ad's now but I have them.

Bottom line: ad. 2066300 false advertisement of someone else's tractor that Tom never owned. It is the same model etc. but 2 years newer and belongs to Abele Tractor and Equipment in Albany NY. Nice tractor. This is the one I thought I was trading for. Not only that, Tom took his picture from their ad. It's still on their site. Tom and I even discussed the backhoe on the back and Tom advised me he didn't get the backhoe with the tractor.
He assured me the tractor is in new condition and it looks it doesn't it. He did mention on the phone that it was a little dirty. You will see the setup.

Look at the pic. he posted on the other ad. 2083774. A little dirty isn't it. See where he was going in the scam. It's also got a top and no backhoe. Same tractor model, just 2 years older and not in new condition. Maybe just dirty. If you deliver it in the middle of a cold night in a rain storm most people wouldn't know the difference. The broken transmission will not noticed either. It does run and move. Just won't go in 4 wheel drive. Tom wasn't supposed to deliver the tractor until Sun. daytime but I got a call late Sat. that he was on his way and he had to come that night so his brother in law Johnny could come and help. I have found in my experience that scammers usually travel in 2's. Yep! They do!

I am guilty of trusting people a little much and I did that. Like I said, Tom is a professional scammer and slick as snot. Several people have come forward that Tom has scammed or tried to scam. There will be many more.

Bottom line, Bait and Switch and fraud on the internet is a crime. Tom is guilty of a crime and I am turning it over to (IC3) for prosecution.

Thanks for your interest but I will take care of this. Just ask Lying Tom why he advertised someone else's tractor for his own. He won't talk about this but he will talk about everything else in the world to distract you. If you quote him you will have to give me $50.

Have a great day Scorp!
I will see you in the Scammer Forums. I am letting the (IC3), FBI handle this. I am sure in your scammer hunt you are aware of them.

See me in the Scammer forums? Not likely.

Tomsrod: read the link I posted. It will tell you all you need to know.

Bart: Yawn.

S

[mopar1968]

Well look's like buyers remorse to me :!: Tom thank you for coming on here and clearing yourself :!: Bart had ample time to inspect the tractor while you pulled the engine :!: Ok Bart hear we go again Blah Blah Blah :!: I am sure the FBI has more inportant thing's to do other than this :!: Tom i wouldn't worry too much put a engine in that nova and drive it by Bart's house :!: :!:









Mark

[dthotrods]

All you have to do is google my home phone number bart you know what it is youve called enough. but for everyone else it 606-473-xxxx that way you know i live in GREENUP KY, its real close to ASHLAND KY. if you are going to say i live somewhere else at least do your homework.
And if im such a good scammer i did a piss poor job giving you so much time and taking so little for gas and not saying a word about the supposed street legal car i traded for with working light's, street tires,exhaust and the paint job you told me was 1 yr old that you say now is 10 yrs old.
My gosh man some people you cant make happy at all.

[SUPERBARTMAN]

You are going to owne me a lot of money if you keep quoting your lies. I told you the paint was base clear and that is all. You liked it so much you advertised it as being so slick and wet it looked like you could slide off of it.

You traded for a rolling chassis. Yes the car is 45 years old but everything on the car is new and never used. The newest stuff stayed with me in the motor, trans and converter.

You have now admitted to using someone else's ad. and selling/trading their tractoras your tractor.

THAT IS FRAUD! DEAL WITH THE (IC3)

[SUPERBARTMAN]

I have no remorse. I told Lying Tom when he wouldn't pay for the broken tractor the money was not an issue any more. I gave him a chance to be a man and correct the problem but it's just not in him.

Fraud is fraud! It's a matter of principal now.

[jdrods]

sounds to me like traders remourse.you had plenty of time to check out the tractor while him and his bro-law was pulling the engine out of the chevy 2.now if you didn't take the time to look everything over that would fall back on you.i have never known of tom ever trying to scam anybody,and i know him pretty good.sounds to me like you need to stop trying to scam money out of somebody,after you already did a trade on a car that you have misrepresented.now superbartman/reddnova how can you sit there and tell people if they wanna know anything about that chevy 2 they need to ask you,when you don't even own the car anymore and the car has a new motor and tranny and several other new parts.sounds to me like tom got his ass burnt by you,but he is not gonna get on here and slam you over it.i think you just need get out of the trading business.

[SUPERBARTMAN]

Just explain ad 2066300. Lying Tom using a picture of someone else equipment to sell/trade his. He has now admitted it on here. FRAUD!

Hope he pays you well for coming forward. Are you a relative. I did make a mistake on in the trade and it was trusting a trader with a slippery tongue.

I have several others who was scammed by him that have come forward also. You can go with me to visit him in jail when (IC3) is done with him.

[dthotrods]

omg, john was there he heard you say it was only a yr old also bart. im not knocking the car either it does look like it was just painted. do what you have to do so not only can everyone on here laugh at you but the ic3 as well. POINT IS I STATED NOTHING UNTRUE ABOUT THE TRACTOR IN MY AD, YES I ADMITTED TO YOU BEFORE ABOUT ME USING A PIC THAT LOOKED LIKE MINE, DOES NOT MEAN THAT ONE WAS MINE AND WE DID NOT TRADE ON THAT ONE EITHER, GO BACK AND LOOK AT MY LAST POST ON IT BART I PUT IT ON THIS FORUM FOR EVERYONE TO SEE IT WAS ON DEC 30TH I SURE, AND WE TRADED ON THE 1ST OF JAN ON THAT POST, YOU EVEN WROTE TO ME ON THAT ONE, YOU CALLED ME ON THAT ONE,THE DATES SAY IT ALL. I HAVE EVERY PHONE RECORD ALSO OF YOU CALLING ME. YOU HAVE STILL BEEN SENDING ME MESS. ON HERE AND CALLING. QUIT HARRASSING ME AND MY FAMILY/ FRIENDS! I MADE NO FRAUD AND COMMITED NO CRIMES, YOU DID THOUGH BUT IDC BECAUSE I MADE MY DEC THAT NIGHT THE SAME AS YOU! YOU SAID AND RUN A AD THAT THE NOVA WAS STREET LEGAL DIDNT YOU? WAS IT BART? NO! I POSTED WHAT YOU HAD STATED ABOUT IT IN YOUR AD ON HERE AS WELL. MY STATEMENTS WERE TRUE ABOUT THE TRACTOR, YOU SEEN IT AND LIKED IT AT THE TIME. AFTER YOU RECIEVE IT ITS YOURS TO MAKE REPAIRS ON IF YOU TEAR IT UP NOT MINE! THE CAR YOU SAY IS STREET LEGAL IT HAD DRAG TIRES ALL AROUND RIGHT? NO EXHAUST, RIGHT? LIGHT DID NOT WORK RIGHT? THE LIST GOES ON ALSO BART AND YOU KNOW IT!
IF YOUR GOING TO DO SOMETHING THEN DO IT! I DONT CARE!
I'LL BE WAITING FOR THE PAPERWORK TO FILE OK. OR A CALL FROM A LEGAL OK.
BUT I AM PROMISSING YOU ONE VERY LARGE THING AND YOU BETTER HEED THE WARNING, AND YOU KNOW ITS TRUE. I AM A OFFICER WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND FORIEGN TRADES (CAPTAIN) AND ANY HARRASSMENT,THREATS OR ANY FAULSE STATEMENTS MADE AGAINST ME IS A CRIME!!! YOU KNOW THIS AND ALOT OF OTHER PEOPLE DO ALSO AS WELL. I'VE GIVIN YOU A CHANCE I WILL NOT BE SO KIND ANYMORE!!! TRY ME PLEASE!!!

JUST TO LET EVERYONE ELSE KNOW AS WELL, I WORK ON THE BOATS, I STEER THEM WITH FUEL BARGES TO HELP ALL YOU GUYS WITH YOUR RACING NEEDS FOR FUEL. IM NOT AFRAID TO STATE ANY OF MY PERSONAL INFO ON HERE. I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE.
FOR ANYONE NEEDING ANYMORE INFO ON THIS OR THE BART SITUATION FILL FREE TO CALL ME ON MY CELL AT 606-465-5719 FROM 12PM TO 6PM AND FROM 12AM TO 6AM I WILL DISCLOSE ANY OF MY INFO MASTERS LICENSE #'S ECT IF YOU WANT. TOM

[dthotrods]

Ad #2106648
NICE HUH! IF ANYBODYS INTERESTED LMK.LOL

[SUPERBARTMAN]

The lies just keep coming. Remember what I said about most scammers coming in 2's. To back each other up in the lies etc.

You are done Lying Tom!

[SUPERBARTMAN]

He now confesses! Now for the coverup he is acting like he told me. Lying Tom!

He is still creating lies on and on, over and over. I don't harrass anyone or have I called other than I believe it was Tues. or Wed. and left a message for you to call me back after I got the bill on the tractor.

Officer my ass. Pushing old rusty river barges around does not make you an officer. You might want to shut up about that. The company you work for might not appreciate you using their computer and time to defraud people. When you are investigated they will conficate those computers.

I did notice that when you copied some of the emails you and sent that you conveniently left some out that weren't to your advantage.

As far as the Chevy 11, you only traded to a rolling chassis and you got everything I promised and more when I pulled my engine apart to give you the special oil pan, oil pump and pickup that Chevy 2's have to have for a v8 to be installed in them. I gave you them because I knew you would need them. They weren't in the deal. Only the headers were in the deal. I had over $400 in them. I paid you $200 for the trans. because it was in the deal and kept it. You were not traded a street legal car but a rolling chassis.

Like I told you before you have turned into a babbling, stammering, stuttering idiot and the lies just keep coming. You are the second best liar I have ever known!

[SUPERBARTMAN]

Oh creative Lying Tom, I have never had a car lot but I have floorplanned a few. I said I was a wholesale car dealer and was for many years before going back to college and getting a business and law degree. I continued with my education until I was quite older, not 2 years ago. The field I was in required that you stay up on business and law

[dthotrods]

then why did you state it was a street legal car in your ad if it wasnt bart? minus motor and tranny it still by far is not street legal. and by the way keep thinking that about old rusty barges.lol the job i do is far from what you think you know. haha and as i said before if your would pay attention to what i post it plainly says i have more if people want to see them, or better yet you post them on here with all the other people you keep saying ive did wrong. lol that is slander my friend what you are doing, i just hope when the time comes you can back up your words with proof,witnesses as i can and already have. you have did so much wrong to people by doing this same stuff before as i was told that its not even funny. trade and complain about how poor ol bart got ripped off.
like i said before and you know its true look at your old post on the car then look real hard on mine of the tractor. i never said not once anything about mine being the tractor in the pic because i knew mine looked much much better, but you did post a street legal car that was not even if the engine and tranny was in it!if your not afraid bart please post you last old ad so we can all see and be judged, also any other post you want to do.

[racefan55]

bart all i want to know is this.. you keep saying fraud fraud fraud.. the tractor came to your house.. your house.. your house.. its not fraud if the man brought you the tractor for you to look at in order to make the deal. i dont care if i put a donkey on my ad and i bring you a 69 camaro. you obviously know the donkey is not the 69 camaro because i have brought it to YOUR HOUSE to inspect.. this is crazy, if i were tom, i would not put up with it..
tom there is such a thing as defamation of character, turn the tables on him, and he will go away..
baby traders on this site, i have never seen the like..

[Goomba]

bart all i want to know is this.. you keep saying fraud fraud fraud.. the tractor came to your house.. your house.. your house.. its not fraud if the man brought you the tractor for you to look at in order to make the deal. i dont care if i put a donkey on my ad and i bring you a 69 camaro. you obviously know the donkey is not the 69 camaro because i have brought it to YOUR HOUSE to inspect.. this is crazy, if i were tom, i would not put up with it..
tom there is such a thing as defamation of character, turn the tables on him, and he will go away..
baby traders on this site, i have never seen the like..

Mom and Dad make them stop. :cry:

[dthotrods]

On [2011-01-20 22:03:42] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dumb ass, THIS IS NOT YOUR TRACTOR. Take another look. I know you wanted it to be that is why you used someone else's tractor in your ad. FRAUD! NOT YOUR TRACTOR. FRAUD! You can't lie out of this.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was the top of my law clsses in college and I took classes until just a few years ago. Tomorrow it all begins and the money is irrelivant. You asked for it!

point #1 bart is a liar. you said until just a few yrs ago?

[SUPERBARTMAN]

Tom, I am not posting any more of your lying and rambling as you have. You do enough of that for everyone.

Operating an old rusty tug boat does not make you captain of anything. You're not military. Real captains are military. What you have, if you really have it is just a title they gave you to get you to operate that old rusty tug boat to push old rusty barges around. Left handed salute! Aye, aye c a p i e t a i n!

ad. 2106648 I see you have cleaned it up a little and left some of the lies out that you had put in about the time the car had run. I liked it when it ran 8 sec. quarter miles with 2 empty nitrous nitrous bottles lying in the floor and not hooked up. Hook it up and fire it up and watch that mother junker motor blow sky high. LOL

You are still using my picture. You do not have my permission to use my picture. There you go lying and misleading people again.

[dthotrods]

On [2011-01-20 17:36:03] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In regard to the Chevy 11, the only holes in the lower firewall that I knew about was a couple where the MSD box was mounted. So you had to put a plug or couple of wires on the headlights. That is not a big deal. The brakes were disc brakes on the rear. Yes they were tight from sitting that is all. I restored the car 10 years ago and yes i painted it too. I did all the restoration myself. I think the car is great to be 45 years old and so do you. We both know what happened with the tractor and especially you know it. Not only is it misrepresentation it is fraud to advertise someone else's tractor then deliver a different one. That is what happened here.


point #2 bart is a liar. if everything you said was new then it must have been a new 10 yr old parts right? lol new is new bart 10 yrs old is old what is it new or old?

[SUPERBARTMAN]

Tsamitto!!!!

OMG!
Such a petty complaint and you have the nerve to comment on my thread! I just read your complaint. That is a real big deal. You got to see this guy's complaint. LOL Baby trader! Give me $50 for quoting Lying Tom

[lively]

i guess i will be the bad guy here :twisted:
TOM--i think you were 100% WROOOOOOOOOOONG AND CROOKED TO POST A PIC OF A DIFFERENT TRACTOR[ OTHER THEN THE 1 YOU HAD FOR SELL] ON YOUR ADD :evil:
that my fine friend is called bait & switch[in plain words--SCAMMING]

ON THE other hand RED--YOU CAN NOT MAKE ME BELIEVE THAT IN all YOUR INFINITE SCHOOLING YOU WERE NOT taught :idea: about SCAMS/ HOW TO LOOK FOR THEM/HOW TO DEFEND YOURSELF AGAINST THEM--DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH---PUNCH IN OUR SCAMMER SECTION--WE WILL TEACH YOU ALOT!!!!!!

by the way you both had plenty of time at REDS-place to look at both trades--SO--QUIT BITCHING :roll: :roll:

I THINK YOU BOTH GOT WHAT YOU DESERVED :cry:
now quit acting like babies and take your punishment and get on with your lives :?

LIVELY

[SUPERBARTMAN]

racefan55.

The problem is the donkey I thought I was buying looked like a new 2004 Massey Ferguson 1440v tractor,real nice and the 69 Camaro I didn't get looked like a worn broken 2002 Massey Ferguson 1440v tractor that had lost a backhoe, lost half the rubber on the tires and a acquired a rickety wooden top and a busted 4 wheel drive unit.

The 2 donkeys were twins! Its just one was 2 years older and broken down and put up wet.
I will take the 69 Camaro any day. Want to trade me one to a broken down donkey, tractor? I promise it will be fixed!

[jacksrides]

Tom, i have been following this all day and did a little research. I do know the jones act for rivermen. If you need my services just give me a ring. I would be more than happy to assist you in this matter.
If all post statements are correct and I could contact R.J. on your behalf i will be able to pull all of them from both sides.
It do not look like Mr. Bart has a leg to stand on. No one picture alone stands for a sell, statements made about a sell do.
In fact if everything is correct Mr. Bart could owe you for your troubles and on the Chevy.
The only misleading thing I have found is to be from Mr. Bart.
The tractor was his at the time for repairs to be made after he accepted the trade, your ad has nothing said that it is not your tractor just what your tractor had. His ad did say it was street legal with or without the running drivetrain it should be as he says.
Give me a call or run over.

[dthotrods]

lively
we did not trade on that post of the ad, i was at work and just showed a pic of a tractor that looked like mine except mine looked better, get the ad #'s from the post on here. the tractor we traded on was the ad from dec 30th / we traded on jan 1st on the same ad. the same tractor i had that was taken in the snow. i never said it was mine either not once.
he knew this the whole time also, he is just looking for some kinda reason for blame, i never started bitching about nothing until he said something on here. if he didnt want to do a trade or he didnt like what he seen then he shouldnt have traded me, also he seen the tractor i del.

bart the reason i deleted the other ad on the chevy was nothing was true about what you said on it. the engine i have now for it would make yours out like dirt anyways

[SUPERBARTMAN]

Lively,

You are absolutely right. I let my guard down and since Lying Tom was so smooth, some of it got past me. I have to tell you this guy is very believeable and good at what he does. He is a true professional scammer.

I only travel in 1's and I should have made a point to go drive the tractor in the middle of the night, wake my neighbors, get soaked in the cold 30 something degree rain and checked it out. The tractors are twins! Just one is an ugly twin that is 2 years older. I might have not noticed the difference under these conditions. But I might. Had I driven it, I would have noticed that the 4 wheel drive unit was jammed in 2 wheel drive and would not come out. I did question the tires showing more wear that the tractor in the picture. Lying Tom assured me the tractor had only been used for mowing grass. Yes I do have a weak point sometime that I believe most people are good and will do the right thing. And I still and always will believe that. Sometimes it cost me but I would rather be a people person than the other type. This one so far has cost me $1055.

Tom proudly posted another ad on here that show's that he is using my picture. He mentioned the ad no. a couple of threads ago. This is not a picture of the car as he owns it now but the picture I used in my ad's. Here he goes again. I told him he does not have my permission to use my picture. He is still misleading, misrepresenting and can't quit scamming.

You are also right about "Bait and Switch"! It is scamming. And Lying Tom is a scammer. Thanks for the input.

[SUPERBARTMAN]

Lively,
Tom's tractor looked better I hate to quote Tom. It cost me $50 every time I do.

ad. 2066300 The tractor Tom advertised as being his but belonged to Abele Tractor and Equipment in Albany Ny.

ad. 2083774 This was truly Tom's tractor and the broken one he delivered to me.

Lying Tom is trying to convince us that his tractor looked better. Pretty slick huh and it is right in front of our eyes. Is he believable of not! You be the judge

Wonder what color he would slay a pink elephant was. I know, I know! It's Massey Ferguson red. Right, right!

[dthotrods]

what do you mean bart this isnt the same car? you sure? when did you say that i couldnt use this pic also? it is my car now so how am i doing something wrong? its the same pic that you used saying it was a street legal car right? so whats diff about it? please tell me? could it be because it is street legal now? but if you want i can take off the picture if you would ask me to do so.

[dthotrods]

im done have fun guys. this is stupid. lol

[SUPERBARTMAN]

There you go putting words in my mouth. What color is a pink elephant Lying Tom?

I will come and see you in jail Lying Tom.

I mean "Left handed salute". Aye, aye C A P A T A I N!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[racefan55]

"""" I will take the 69 Camaro any day. Want to trade me one to a broken down donkey, tractor? I promise it will be fixed!""""""

no rednova or bart or whatever name u go by at this time.. i dont want to trade with you, because im sure within a couple days you will call me crying.. i dont baby trade..

[SUPERBARTMAN]

racefan55,

Thanks for your interest in my scam. Hopefully I can return the favor someday when I don't have anything else to do. Sounds like you just need to trade with Tom Jones, " tomsrod". He can make whatever you want any way you want it. It's just a matter of words and pictures. He has a nice 66 Chevy 11 for sale or trade right now. I believe the ad he gave on here is 2106648. The picture of the car is mine and it looks great.

The only problem is I didn't give him permission to use my picture. The other problem is The Chevy 2 doesn't run 8 sec. quarter miles anymore as he had previously advertised. It never has or will it ever run a quarter in the 8's on the small tires, slapper bars and stock suspension front and back. It is a beautiful car and i am very proud of my paint on it. Tom also stated in another ad that the paint was 1 1/2 years old. Not so but when I confronted him about the lie he tried to say I said it was a year old. I did not. The ironic thing here is that I would rather have a 10 year old paint job that looks like that than a brand new paint job. It shows my bodywork is excellent and lasting too. Tom is not smart enough to figure this out.

Good luck and happy trading.

[SUPERBARTMAN]

racefan55

I had emailed a response to this person and asked him to bring it forward for the general scammer forum to see and so far he has not done so. The only thing he has done is asked me not to email him. It's ok for him to come on my thread and express his ignorant bs opinions but he don't want to hear a response from me. Go figure!

My first response was in regard to him making statements about my advertising my Chevy 11 as street legal. His opinion was that even though I traded the Chevy 11 as a rolling chassis it would still have to be street legal as I had advertised. Not possible. You can't push a shell of a car, roller down the street and call it street legal. They will arrest you for that. The other thing was that Tom had complained about a couple of minor things on the Chevy 11, holes in the bottom of the firewall. Yes there were where the MSD was mounted. Second problems with the wiring on connection on the headlights and later it became problems with one headlight. This is a 45 year old car and Tom did help some in removing the engine. A 30 minute job took over 2 hrs. beacause of the oil pan on the Chevy 2 would not clear the drag link on the car. It's just the way they are built. I pulled my engine apart and gave Tom the oil pan, oil pump and sending unit that I had paid over $400 for. Yes I gave it to him so his engine instillation would go easier. Tom was real rough with the engine in the small part he played in helping and jammed it several times into the firewall scraping the paint off etc. We could have bumped the headlight wires at this time too. Who knows, its midnight on a dark cold rainy night. I had been working in my garage all day and now half the night because Tom chose to come at night instead of the next day as we had agreed. I could have sent him back and next time a scammer wants to come in the middle of the night, I will.

I conclude that a rolling chassis, shell can never be considered street legal.

My ad and contract was altered when Tom agreed to accept the Chevy 2 not as I had advertised it but as a shell with only the radiator and driveshaft and headers to go with the shell. That was all he requested. The trans. was origionally part of the deal but I payed Tom $200 cash for it and gave him a more streetable converter to replace the one in the car.

The Chevy 11 was in street legal conditon as my ad stated prior to Tom altering my contract ad and and taking a roller, (shell). It would have remained in street legal cond. as I had advertised had I sold or traded the car whole! Tom did try to trade me an old worn out 350 engine to replace the $10000 engine I had in the car. I told him my engine alone was worth more than his tractor and NO.

The second message was that racefan55 messaged me not to email him. My response was and is that he came onto my thread uninvited and expressed his ignorant opinions then basically he would hear from me. I basically told him to stay off If he did not want to hear from me. It is easy for him to sit back and express his bs opinions when I was the one who got scammed and would have to pay the expense to repair the tractor.

By the bay Tom kept rambling that I had the tractor for 2 days before i contated him. Not true. Tom left my house after 1 AM in the morning Sun. and would get home around 6 or 7. I don't work on Sun. but I did start the tractor and thought I could hear a noise in the trans. To be shure I later took the tractor for a little drive on the asphalt in front of my house. The tractor would not go in 4 wheel drive as the lever was jammed in and would not move. Once on the asphalt and in high gear the trans. began to scream like a bad ring and pinion. Driving a tractor on asphalt or concrete is the only way to test them when yous suspect a problem. Driving them in the grass will only cushion and absorb some of the noise when there is a problem. I have owned and operated tractors and equipment most of my adult life. I am retired but still do most of my repair on them and work alone. When it becomes physicall impossible I have to farm it out as i have here. I didn't call Tom on Sun. as I told him, out of courtesy and the fact that I knew that he and his brother in law Johnny wouldn't get home until early Sun. morning and would probably be sleeping most of the day. Tom won't answer his phone most of the time anyway. I also decided I would get a professional opinion on the problem before I called Tom. Mon. morning early I loaded the tractor and took it to a dealer about 30 mile away. Two tractor mechanics tried to get it in 4 wheel drive and couldn't . They road tested it in their parking lot and heard the loud screaming noise. They concluded that it could be a bad ring and pinion and that they would have to pull the tractor apart and that it could be a broken trans. also. They would not know or could they give me a price to fix it until they could break it apart. They did indicate that it would be very expensive as they get $40 each and hour for their labor. It would be 2 weeks before they could even take it in and check it out for repair. I returned home and it was around noon or a little after when I called Tom. I told him I did not call him Sun. because I knew he would be sleeping all day and I wanted to get the tractor checked out by a professional before calling He stated that he did not know anything was wrong with the tractor and that he had told me he did not know much about tractors. I told him I was going to get another opinion and wanted him to cover the repair. He never said no but he never agreed either. I figured he was waiting to hear what the problem was. I didn't mention his scamming or fraudlent ad. I was trying to give him a chance to come clean and cover the repair and i would probably just let the rest go.

Bottom line, it is now 3 weeks later and the tractor is still in the shop being repaired. Their conclusion by the wear on the trans shaft is that the tractor has been broken for some time, operation of the tractor had continued under these broken conditions and that much wear would take a long time as the trans. shafts and gears were incased in oil. and under pressure. Presently the bill is $1055 and not counting any of the expense I concurred towing the tractor what is now around 100 miles and I haven't picked it up yet. They also stated, the bill may be more if they have to pull the trans. completely dissemble the trans. on the bench to replace the damaged and worn shaft.

I had the tractor for a day and a half before contacting Tom., not 2 as he keeps stating. Either way the time is trivial except that i couldn't get the tractor checked out on Sun.

My whole purpose on being on here is just warn others about this scammer. I know now he is not man or trustworthy enough to cover the expense or admit what he did. They never do. I will pay for the repair of the tractor next week and bring it home.

I will let the (IC3) deal with Tom. You guys keep trading and remember that there are agencies who deal with internet scammers and fraud.

Use them.

Thanks, Bart

[BEAST477]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Would someone wake me when this is over? :roll: Thank You, and good night.

[mopar1968]

x2 Mike :roll: :roll:








Mark

[dthotrods]

1st of all we will forget about everything else on the chevy 11 i dont want to start again. but if your ad on it said it was street legal right you said it right? what happened with the street legal tires, the ones on it said not for street use! regaurdless of anything you say whole car or not it was not street legal and that is what your ad stated. post the ad # yourself bart for everyone to see, i already posted the words from it.
2nd the pic i used was mineyou gave it to me from a email you sent of pics. it was 2 days before you contacted me and anything could have happend.i said no false statements in my ad nor did we trade on the same ad as you say it was the other with the tractor in the snow. and you know this is true so preach it til your blue in the face.
you inspected the tractor before trade you liked it you heard it run and operate, the phone call you made to me on monday was at 4:35 i have my cell phone records.
now we can do this however you want does not matter to me. i took the ad of the 66 of line just so i wouldnt hear you keep whinning. not because im afraid to get in trouble because like i said you sent me the email with the pics therefore they are mine. the dates and times say it all.
also after a little legal advise i have all the proof i need. i never stated my tractor was a 2004 either. read my old ad with you ad number and read it carefully then read your old ad from the chevy 11 is all anyone has to do to see who has commited fraud. so lets just let the courts handel this if thats what you want.

thanks pete. tom

[SUPERBARTMAN]

LYING TOM! I thought you were done.

I have street tires for the Chevy 11. I gave you what you asked for and more. I never said you said your ad listed the tractor as a 2004. It didn't! It just showed that you were selling Able Tractor and Equipmnet's tractor as your own. Or at least until you got someone interested and made the switch. I never emailed or gave you a pic of the Chevy 11 or permission to use it. You copied it from my ad like you did the ad from Abele Tractor and Equipment in Albany NY.

Bait and Switch. It's a crime! I thought I would give you time to think everything over that you had done and come clean but once a weasel always a weasel. SCREAM WEASEL SCREAM!
You are a babbling, whining weasel caught in your own trap. I will be filing the complaint with (IC3) FBI, tomorrow. NUFF SAID!

[mopar1968]

CATEGORY :: Heavy EquipmentMain Category
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WILL TRADE
LIKE NEW
Ad #2083774 Posted:2010-12-30 23:15:40
This ad expires in 60 days.
$14,000.00



2002 MASSEY FERGUSON 1440 4X4 TRACTOR
40 HP, GLOW PLUG HEATING, 678 HRS,FRONT LOADER, TIRES LIKE NEW - VERY LITTLE WEAR, AIR RIDE SEAT,3 POINT,SHUDDLE SHIFT, 4 SPEED - HI AND LOW RANGE,ALL FLUIDS AND SERVICED ON 6-11-10, THE DEALER SAID BOOK WAS $18,270 AND SOME CHANGE, NEW WITH ALL OPTIONS COST WAS IN THE MID/HIGH $20'S.
I JUST PURCHASED THIS PAST AUG. FROM DAVIS EQUIP IN ASHLAND KY AND HAVE USED IT ALL I NEED IT FOR, WILL TRADE FOR A NICE MUSCLE CAR OR COUPE BUT IT HAS TO BE NICE! THIS IS NOT CHEAP AND IT WILL HOLD A VERY GOOD BOOK FOR A LONG TIME.




Seller Phone Number: 606-465-5719
This item is USED
Trades ACCEPTED: WATCHA GOT?
Item Location: GREENUP, KY Get Directions To This City


This ad expires in 60 days.




Mark

[lively]

BOY-THAT DO NOT LOOK GOOD-
[TIRES LIKE NEW-VERY LITTLE WEAR]--NAH JUST FALLING APART :oops:

[678 HOURS]--LOW HOURS-BUT--NOTHING WORKS PROPERLY AND BEEN ABUSED HEAVILY :twisted:

OH OH --WE HAVE A PROBLEM????? :evil: :roll:

[dthotrods]

check date on post above this does not match up to bart story of me posting on jan 1st then taking it off the same day. enough said.
bart if you had street tires why did you not post it on your ad instead of the slicks you had on the car. in your ad it says street legal!
then at the bottom it says drag tires now who was misleading in there ads.
if your going to file with ic3 just to let you know its free and you dont have to wait you can file online anytime, but filing false statements and without proper proof is a crime and you know it. you just get 1 thing wrong and its a lie.
on the other hand the one that i file will have pleanty of proof, witness of what was said, phone records plus our ads and mess from this site.
the day we traded, the post we made, the times we talked and who called who,my home email of you sending me pics from your email with the time i was at your house and time giving you to check and inspect the tractor. you have tried to do this before to other people but this time you will lose. you said it was raining and dark right? we had no problems in your garage where there is pleanty of room to do anything you wanted.
not only will i fill i will fill a suit against you for slander and wrongful judge of character against me and harrassment as well. if you studied law as you say then you know on this forum alone i have proof of that.
you have lied and got caught doi ng so on this site as well. you said i did nothing on helping you pull the engine also but i have a witness and in another statement you said i did help, just quit making shit up im tierd of it! some of what you say is true and alot of the rest is not, so just sit back and let the people judge for themselves who was in the wrong and who is making stuff up and it keeps getting deeper with you doing so.
file your complaint i already have a attourney on the stand by.
by the way the engine i put in the nova is a totally diff engine as i had posted for sale at the time we traded not just some junk engine.

[SUPERBARTMAN]

Scream Lying Tom! Weasel! I advertised the Chevy 11 for a long time in several different categories, drag, prostreet, nostalgia etc. It would fit all those categories. It was just a matter of changing tires etc. That is called "Targeting Your
Market". Any advertising not reaching your market is a waste.

Here are some more threats on me. You should hear them all. I won't put them on but I have a record of each and every one. I don't threaten anyone and yes I do have a problem with scammers and criminals. Keep rambling , stuttering, stammering and rattling idiot.You have probably told over a hundred lies in this forum alone not to mention twisting and mistating everything you could dream up. Attorney's just love stuff like this expecially the dumb ones. The more you respond and lie on here the deeper you get. Nothing and I mean nothing excused the fraud.

BAIT AND SWITCH
You need a criminal attorney that charges $2000 and up an hour not a a little dumb attorney on here scrounging through the forums looking for chicken feed.

[mopar1968]

Post them up here so everyone can see them :!: :!:








Mark

[jdrods]

i'm with mopar,post them on here so we all can see.

[Goomba]

Tsamitto!!!!

OMG!
Such a petty complaint and you have the nerve to comment on my thread! I just read your complaint. That is a real big deal. You got to see this guy's complaint. LOL Baby trader! Give me $50 for quoting Lying Tom

Well not to piss you off any more ,but I was at least smart enough not to trade and told him to hit the road like you should of. Sorry but true. You let him push you and rush you. So now you could get mad at me now. But PLEASE don,t type a book. :wink:

Goomba

[SUPERBARTMAN]

Fellows,

If you look back through his comments you will find some.

It would take hours to hunt them up and transfer them there are so many. Most are in the conversation Tom and I had on RJ emails when he finally responded to me. He never would return phone calls.

I don't worry about his threats. I love it when they try and carry them out. The ones you have to watch are the ones who don't threaten.
om has made this very interesting to me and I am a man of principal and it has now become a principal matter. The money is irrelevant.

He is beginning to sound like my ex wife now with all the slander bs and that's not good. Everytime something didn't go her way or she thought someone had mentioned her name she would threaten slander . I told her she had to be sombody famous and or worth something etc. and maybe she could use the slander card. God I miss her after 35 years. Yep like a bad headache.

This is a scare tactic to get me to not report it. If every honest citizen didn't report crimes because a criminal threatened them with slander etc. we would have a major crime problem.

As I said before Tom tells so many lies I won't quote him. It cost me $50 everytime I do.







Thanks

[SUPERBARTMAN]

tmasitto,
You are right. I am part to blame her because I consider myself an honest trusting person and I did that with Tom. It's just when these scammers cross my path I go after them.

Yep I made some mistakes in this. I'll try and not make it again.

Sometimes the scammer hunters go after the person reporting and not the scammer. I guess this happens when they don't have enough scammers to keep them busy. They have done me that way a couple of times and that's ok. At least a couple of times they have actually helped me by doing that and giving the scammer more and more recognition.

Thanks guys! LOL!

[SUPERBARTMAN]

tmasitto,
You are right. I am part to blame her because I consider myself an honest trusting person and I did that with Tom. It's just when these scammers cross my path I go after them.

Yep I made some mistakes in this. I'll try and not make it again.

Sometimes the scammer hunters go after the person reporting and not the scammer. I guess this happens when they don't have enough scammers to keep them busy. They have done me that way a couple of times and that's ok. At least a couple of times they have actually helped me by doing that and giving the scammer more and more recognition.

Thanks guys! LOL!

[Goomba]

Fellows,

If you look back through his comments you will find some.

It would take hours to hunt them up and transfer them there are so many. Most are in the conversation Tom and I had on RJ emails when he finally responded to me. He never would return phone calls.

I don't worry about his threats. I love it when they try and carry them out. The ones you have to watch are the ones who don't threaten.
om has made this very interesting to me and I am a man of principal and it has now become a principal matter. The money is irrelevant.

He is beginning to sound like my ex wife now with all the slander bs and that's not good. Everytime something didn't go her way or she thought someone had mentioned her name she would threaten slander . I told her she had to be sombody famous and or worth something etc. and maybe she could use the slander card. God I miss her after 35 years. Yep like a bad headache.

This is a scare tactic to get me to not report it. If every honest citizen didn't report crimes because a criminal threatened them with slander etc. we would have a major crime problem.

As I said before Tom tells so many lies I won't quote him. It cost me $50 everytime I do.







Thanks

I do feel for you. I get sick to my stomach just thinking what almost happen to me. Good luck to ya. :wink:

[SUPERBARTMAN]

Thanks thamitto,
I never look at things like this as a problem. It is actually an opportunity to expose a scammer. Just a little more excitement, thats all. LOVE IT!
NO FEAR!

Good luck and happy trading!

[SUPERBARTMAN]

SEE AD 2107501. IT'S BEEN RUNNING FOR 2 DAYS. Tom had my first ad deleted and when I ran the second one he had it deleted and my account closed.

I am not quoting him but he did THREATEN me that he would have my account closed. Chris at RJ was a friend of his and he would have me barred from RJ permanently. NO FEAR OF PETTY THREATS ETC. THIS AIN'T MY FIRST RODEO! LOL!

This one has been running for 2 days and he can't do anything about it. Check it out.

[bjuice]

I have traded with Tom a couple of times and I think he is a outstanding and honest person. I would do business with him again. Tom I am still in practice if you need anything or advise give me a ring.

Ok..Now I see Tomsrod and Pete67 are one of the same or at least share the same computer...lol :D

[Goomba]

I have traded with Tom a couple of times and I think he is a outstanding and honest person. I would do business with him again. Tom I am still in practice if you need anything or advise give me a ring.

Ok..Now I see Tomsrod and Pete67 are one of the same or at least share the same computer...lol :D

bjuice is on it now. Busted. :shock: Hey I know how that feels. :oops: But all is good now. :D

[SUPERBARTMAN]

bjuice,
Thainks, I told you he was slicker than snot!!!!! LOL!

"A LAWYER WHO DEFENDS HIMSELF HAS A FOOL FOR A CLIENT"

[Harbone]

wow, this is getting old. shame on Tom for being his own lawyer and rednova your reputation proceeds you so keep crying wolf... :roll:

[bugzzy1]

Pete must be one super attorney. Can't even spell ADVICE? Must have been a mail order bar exam.

[Goomba]

wow, this is getting old. shame on Tom for being his own lawyer and rednova your reputation proceeds you so keep crying wolf... :roll:


slicker than snot :lol: :lol:

[SUPERBARTMAN]

HERE IS OUR CONVERSATION ON RJ PRIOR TO MY SCAMMER POSTING. SORRY FOR BORING YOU. I AM PRACTICALLY DONE WITH THIS POST. I WILL BE FILING THE COMPLAINT WITH (IC3).


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From: tomsrod To: SUPERBARTMAN Date: 2011-01-21 16:53:10
Subject: Re: MASSEY FERGUSON 1440 TRACTOR
Re: Ad #2066300 - MASSEY FERGUSON 1440 TRACTOR

idc what you have to say, i put my big boy pants on when i trade and dont cry. man up bart you knew this wasnt a street legal car, wheres my car you talked about in your ads that you had online forever, wheres my street legal tires, exhaust,lights and my uncut car bart? where? over 5k total to make it what you say in your ad, tell me bart tell me. you have no balls about ya you just try to pray on other people without money so you think, that you think you could scare to pay you extra for nothing. my ads, the words i wrote is all lagit yours is not. you are full of shit about people saying anything because i have been out of trading until me and you did. that was the first one in a yr.i have made more deals in one yr then you have a life time, most of the time with the same people. i have traded 9 cars in a month before and 3 times to the same person. idc what you get your friends to say either, you see bart i have true friends that i deal with alot, not people i look to make bad deals and cry about.nobody cares what you think, they all know me bart. just like rj deleted yr ad about me. who do you think you was to try and do that, your a nobody dude and chris at rj knows it also thats the reason it didnt last. nor will any other. as a matter of fact after your threats i should have you perm removed from this site. i still have all of them on hear. all i have to do is tell chris to do it and he will pull up ur messages to me and remove your ass for doing it. you cant do shit like that over you making a trade that your not happy with. you wait until i fix the car up better than you had it then talk shit and tell me what i owe you. u have to be insane after the money ive spent on the 66 fixing stuff that you said was NOT TRUE to pay you on something you broke. GET OVER IT!!!

On [2011-01-21 16:32:48] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> I won't mention any names but several people have come forward that you have scammed or tried to scam. There will be a whole lot more.
>
> On [2011-01-21 16:11:52] tomsrod wrote:
> > 1966 CHEVY 2 STOCK AFTERMARKET SUSPENSION 2 DOOR POST
> > Street Legal With Title! UNCUT! FACTORY DASH AND SHIFTER! NICE!
> >
> > Everything in this car is new. It has garage time only on it and has not been raced yet. I have owned this car for over 20 years.
> >
> > All original sheet metal in excellent cond. Car has all the original type excellent glass, door panels, factory dash, headliner and new carpet. The switches and wiring are all painless , Ignition is MSD with a 6 Al box. The Tach. is a large 5 in. Mallory with memory and shift lite. Gauges are Summit and in a Summit box. The cage is an 8 point mild steel and car has one race seat and RHS race belts. Interior floor is all steel, nice and carpeted.
> >
> > The hood is a custom built fiberglass race 6 in cowl induction with czus fasteners and front pins.
> >
> >
> > Engine is all forged new HBR Performance 355 cu. with 1/2 epoxy pour, street or strip, 4 bolt main, line bored, deburred, "0" ringed, copper head gaskets,forged steel crank, crank scraper, 4340 forged rods, forged pistons, chrome moly rings, race bearings, hv oil pump, true roller timing chain. Engine was internally balanced and blueprinted. Block has been screened and restricters installed. The cam is a Chet Herbert special grind for this car, 623 lift roller cam and roller lifters, cam button, Edelbrock Victor Tall intake ported and polished, heads are Bowtie 461X ported and polished, 202 stainless valves with chrome moly locks and retainers, roller rockers and stud girdles. Water pump is new and electric, aluminum fabricated valve covers on it now. Radiator is new. New electric fan on the radiator.
> >
> > Fuel system has a fuel cell and is all Holley with braided line to a brand new Holley regulator and 750 Holley race carb.
> >
> > Trans. is a Powerglide Performance race glide, kevlar clutches etc with Coan 4500 converter and hardened race shaft and linelock.
> >
> > Rearend is a 9 inch Ford with 456 gears and all Strange internals and axles. Car sits on tweaked stock type aftermarket suspension and nothing has been cut. Slicks are new Goodyear and Frontrunners are new MT. Crager ProStars are new.
> >
> >
> >
> > This car can be driven on the street, raced or show it.
> >
> > You have to see and hear this car to believe it.
> >
> >
> > this is your old ad bart word for word. i told you i had it. now do you really want to do this buddy?
> > tires alone to make this car street legal would be 1k. the tires on it states not for street use lie # 1
> > uncut all orig lie #2 the cost for replacement on this could be 1 to 2k bart to have fixed.
> > shifter is not orig it is a b&m lie #4
> > i do believe this would be fraud ol buddy.
> > watch how you word things. but i would gladly accept the amount owed to me on my behalf for the things it cost to make them the way you stated, and i would knock off the portion you say i owe from that. would you like to know my mailing address and have copies of the recipts when all complete. my attourney is hoping so, it will make things alot easier if thats what you want. so go look back at your deleted ads and see if this isnt what you stated street legal? bullshit! uncut bullshit! if you test me anymore or bother me i will show you some laws you may want to brush up on from your recent studies 2 yrs ago! im not playing or bullshiting or lying either. now that you may be able to see clearly i'll let it rest.
> >
> >
> >
> > # 3 lie fuel cell and braided lines is not holley
> > On [2011-01-21 14:59:28] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > You are such a liar. A lot of people are coming forward now that you have scammed and or tried to scam. Your ad's are fraud. You will see. Even the ones on the Chevy 11 that you deleted are false and lies. You know what you did and so do I. You can't still be a man about it and do the right thing. You don't know anything about tractors and operation, remember. Even if it was a mistake and lack of knowledge on your part you could have made it right. It is obvious from the damage and wear on the shaft that the damage has been done for some time.
> > >
> > > On [2011-01-21 14:35:45] tomsrod wrote:
> > > > if its bull then try and test me Bart. by the way what you did earlier was against the law man. you cannot slander nor make false accusations towards another person on a personal ad and if you new the law as you stated you should know that one as well. there is a place for that kinda stuff in the forum but it is illegal to do so in your own personal ad. strike # two bart!by the way ive talked with legal counsel today as well and he laughed and said it sounded like regaurdless of pics,posting's or the weather (day/night/rain/shine) that you had ampel time to decide to make a deal or not and you had seen the tractor in your own person and inspected the tractor as well yourself. you contacted me aswell,you wanted the deal worse than me for as many times you had contacted me from phone and rj. point in fact no case towards me on any grounds it was your own neglegance that has brought you here to this point. as i said before be careful of what you say about me and how you do it bart. rj has already removed your ad for inproper posting of a person. this site is for sale / trade items only, there is a forum and people is waiting for your coments there.
> > > >
> > > > ps. the moment i told you as you say that i did not know to much about the tractor why on earth would you not want to look it up down sideways and under? i did not make you rush, i tried to get you to operate it, i made every effort possible for your behalf on this trade bart in trying to get you to do so. i dont understand how you can put your own faults on me if you say it was broke in the first place. its because you know better and that it was working fine at the point of del. there is no mech. that can say forsure when it happened he can just give a friend a personal opion. are you sure you didnt gam the gears youself? i dont know, whatever i guess.
> > > >
> > > > On [2011-01-21 14:01:22] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > Same old bull. You know what you did. You committed fraud to dumpa broken down tractor on me. I'm done! Your own ad's say everything.
> > > > >
> > > > > On [2011-01-21 12:31:47] tomsrod wrote:
> > > > > > Bart, i really hate the way this has turned out, truely i do. if all you are worried about is a picture then something is wrong anyway, the very last ad that i posted of the tractor was on dec 30th and you called me and said "i see you still have your tractor and you put it back on line" that same ad even had more pics and looked better than the last ad. i never said anything to you of getting a backhoe with it and i stated everything on or about the tractor as well as i know.i didnt say i couldnt operate the tractor i just said i wasnt that familiar with it. you have to look at all of this threw my eyes. 1st. you kept contacting me about a trade! 2nd. i would not have even loaded the thing up and drove 4 or 5 hrs to your house knowing anything was broke on it, because if it was me i wouldnt trade on something broken unless i wanted it and was aware of it. 3rd. you looked at the tractor up close and personal you liked the tractor, the only thing you asked about was the tires being scuffed up on top the tread, you make excuses saying it was late rainy and cold, that never stopped us from pulling the engine for 3 hrs inside your garage where there was plenty of room to inspect all you wanted. i asked you to run and operate it didnt i and you refused to do so but you did hear it run and seen it being moved without any noise at all coming from it! 4th. if you traded a car and while driving it home it broke down would you be saying you got ripped off also? when i make a deal i look at what im getting when i see it in person because 90% of the time pics do not tell what it is it just gives you an ideal of it. i know your not a simple man and can tell what you are getting when you see it! you would not pay either if you was in my shoes nor would any other human being on this planet, you called me 2 days later and told me it was broke and asked if i would help you out all i said was call me and let me know something but i had time to think about it and i could not do that that long after the fact. i dont know you you dont know me! anything couldve happened and you know it so dont try and play me for a fool. i dont know what youve done or couldve done to the tractor all i know is it was working just fine when i del it and you know it or you wouldnt have traded!dont blame me for your lack of inspection and try to come up with excuses it is just one of those things that happen sometimes, somebody trades and a couple days later it tears up and the person gets upset wanting to put the blame elseware. im not a bad person, nor do i ever try to rip someone off, i have traded with over 200 cars just off rj in the past 3 yrs even trade deals. i have meet alot of people without ever having any complaints, also i prob would have helped you out if i felt i was in the wrong but for some gut reeason i dont feel that way and you have the nerve to text me on rj and demand 1055 cash asap? and try to threaten me and my family? i think i will deal with my gut after that one. i think i will be ok bart, you do what you feel you need to do or say just be careful of how you say it tho and remember i am and still remain a officer of the federal gov. and you are aware of this. just to let you know department of transportaion and forigen trades "Captain". you wouldnt want to slander or threaten my family to bad Bart, and im not trying to scare you either just telling you to watch how you speak of me or my family got it! if you read up on laws and study them you will know what im talking about and i know you know this is true! also i have pleanty of friends on rj to back me up on a deal like this one and you know down deep what is going to happen as soon as you start. so do what you want to deal or feel you have or need to do. thanks for your time and wasting mine. tom
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On [2011-01-21 08:37:19] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > Tom,
> > > > > > > You can talk and lie until you are blue in the face but the fact still remains that the tractor you advertised and the one I thought I was trading to was not yours but belonged to Abele Tractor and Equipment in Albany NY. That is FRAUD. I guess you have NO shame, ethics or morals either. Most crooks don't. Everyone will know what you did and you can't lie out of your own false advertising and fradulent ad's. No one will trade with you anymore. I will pay for the broken tractor repair that you switched on me but everyone will know. Shame!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 23:31:22] tomsrod wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ok thanks tom.
> > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 22:56:31] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I don't text. More proof that you tried to cover up your fraud. I have every ad you ever ran in my files now. It's your ass and jail, that is all. I really hate to see you put your family through this. They are really nice and deserve better. I liked Johnny too. I knew there was a problem with you though. Things just didn't match up. After tomorrow the money for the repairs will be irrelevent and second nature.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 22:49:09] tomsrod wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > my last post on tractor was on december 30th, i have proof ad 2083782, it was this ad you contacted me about a trade it on jan 1 about the same ad, we traded that night, and aso texted me on this same number on racing junk, so you stop studering and lien and be a man. thanks tom [2011-01-20 22:25:49] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > When am I going to get that nice tractor in the picture? You know the one you don't own.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 22:12:26] tomsrod wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Also here is the ad of the last ad i posted on tractor 2083782. Thats when you contacted me.You called me and said i see you got your tractor back online i have the hole conversation recorded on answer machine, so do not threated me my family or anyone i know. Do what you have to do, You waited 2 days anything could have happened and by the way your talking it did, I had a picture a massey ferguson tractor, I stated what I had for sale or trade, everything in my statments were true, there was no fraud commited. thanks tom[2011-01-20 21:49:07
> > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 22:03:42] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dumb ass, THIS IS NOT YOUR TRACTOR. Take another look. I know you wanted it to be that is why you used someone else's tractor in your ad. FRAUD! NOT YOUR TRACTOR. FRAUD! You can't lie out of this.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I was the top of my law clsses in college and I took classes until just a few years ago. Tomorrow it all begins and the money is irrelivant. You asked for it!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 21:49:07] tomsrod wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no sir, you quit acting like a child.I never commited no fraud, and what your talking about is slander, read up on the laws. i never said no such thing about a guarantee a warranty or money back, im not asking for money back for my loss i suggest you do the same thank you. tom
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 21:29:23] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the last time I am asking you tom, just pay the stupid bill. If not you will start getting contacts tomorrow about the fraud you committed. The bill will be irrelevant at that point and I will see that you pay for what you did. Just do it and quit fabricatin more lying shit. You are running out of lies.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 20:33:48] tomsrod wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You told me paint was about year old, you said that, so so much right for your word and it was not raining at time we unloaded tractor, and you did not give me nothing, i received a car without motor or trany, so you did not give me nothing and everything was as is in deal but you did say car was street legal and all lights worked and they did not and i did not misrepresent nothing, as for tires you looked at them yourselve, you looked at tractor you should said this then not now. thanks tom
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 17:36:03] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In regard to the Chevy 11, the only holes in the lower firewall that I knew about was a couple where the MSD box was mounted. So you had to put a plug or couple of wires on the headlights. That is not a big deal. The brakes were disc brakes on the rear. Yes they were tight from sitting that is all. I restored the car 10 years ago and yes i painted it too. I did all the restoration myself. I think the car is great to be 45 years old and so do you. We both know what happened with the tractor and especially you know it. Not only is it misrepresentation it is fraud to advertise someone else's tractor then deliver a different one. That is what happened here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need you to help pay for the tractor bill. You need to do the right thing. Let me know. My address is Bart Johnson 1357 Skelton Bluff Rd. Kingsport, Tn.37660
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bart
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 14:34:28] tomsrod wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We never did neg with a warranty or gaurentee on either side, and i never said i would pay a total bill. You used the tractor for 2 days and then called me at end of second day of using it and ask to help you a little and all I said was to call, nothing more. The night I delivered the tractor there was nothing wrong to my knowledge when I delivered to you, I told you to operate it and drive it and you refused there was no whinning or anything noticable at the time, also I would not have delivered it on a 4 hr trip if knowing something was wrong with it, the place i bought tractor from has been in buisness for 50 years and there was nothing wrong then. Put yourself in my shoes for a min. you told me the lights work and they did not, they was not even hooked up also you said the rearend was breaks and was not, there was holes at the bottom of the firewall that had to be fixed also Think of money I have already spent to get these things fix, trust me its been well over 1000.00 . Also, You have not heard me complain or ask for a dime to get these things fixed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On [2011-01-20 10:52:13] SUPERBARTMAN wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It took me a couple of weeks to get the 4 wheel drive unit and trans pulled apart on the tractor.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There were broken bearing parts and gear parts in the bottom of the case and the shaft was worn from operation of the tractor for a long time with a broken bearings and gears floating around. 2 gears were badly damaged on the 4 wheel drive shaft. The shaft and gears are encased in a bath of oil and It takes a long time to wear on the shaft under these conditions. We know it was already done when I got the tractor.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The tractor dealer doing the repair is Eaton and Son Tractors and Repain in Blountville Tn. and the chief mechanic and owner is Melvin Eaton. Feel free to call him at 423-323-4902 if you have any questions. He has been in the tractor business and repair for 32 years.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The current bill is $795 parts and $260 Labor if they don't have to completely remove and dissemble the transmission to get the shaft out. They are not sure what it will take to get the shaft out to replace it. The total current bull is $1055. You said you didn't know that the tractor was broken when you brought it to me. This being the case the right thing to do would be to cover the repair expense of $1055 as I had previously requested when we talked about the problem with the tractor on the phone. It will be ready in a couple of days and I need the money to pick it up.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I left messages on your cell and home phone yesterday when I got the total cost bill. My no. is home 423-246-1998 and cell is 423-742-0422. Call me or email me and I will give you my address again to send the money.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bart

[SUPERBARTMAN]

SORRY BUT YOU NEED TO READ MY COPY OF THE CONVERSATION IN THE PRIOR POST FROM BOTTOM TO TOP FOR IT TO BE IN ORDER.

WE NOW HAVE A TRAVELING LAWYER THAT TRAVELS ON THE RIVER TUG BOAT WITH TOM. HE NEEDS ONE ALL THE TIME.

BJUICE DID A GREAT JOB! RIGHT HANDED SALUTE! YES SIR CAPTAIN!

[SUPERBARTMAN]

SUPERBARTMAN AKA (REDDNOVA), OUT!

[BEAST477]

Yawn, is it really over? Anyone wanna place any bets what time he makes his next post?

[mopar1968]

10:00 pm :!: :!:










Mark

[BEAST477]

10:00 pm :!: :!:










Mark

Not to disagree with you Mark, but I don't think he can hold out 51 minutes. Tic-Toc :lol:

[Goomba]

10:00 pm :!: :!:











Mark


I think he needed to vent. It sucks when you get ripped off. That is what this form is for. It did help me. I kinda of feel bad for the guy. I would of killed myself if ,I went through with mine. It did feel good to vent at the time.


Buy I will say 12 midnight :D

[Harbone]

9:15
:lol:

[Goomba]

9:15
:lol:

Oh Chris I think you are right he is on here and it is killing him not to reply. But he is reading it, you can bet on that. :idea:

[racefan55]

i have never seen the like.. ever.. unreal.. im speachless.. cry.. cry.. cry.. wow..
my bet is 10;30

[lively]

no--babies can't keep from crying --ALOT :oops: :oops: :cry:


ONE OF THEM WILL BREAK 8) 8)

[mopar1968]

Well i lost it is 10:09 my time :!:










Mark

[MEMRACING62]

GEEEZ...ONE MORE LOOOOOONG POST IN THIS THREAD & THE SERVER'S GONNA GO UP IN SMOKE!! :shock:

[racefan55]

he sent me this message to my inbox about a half hour ago..

Is it the captain or his lawyer? We know who the P**** is!

u know he is reading these posts.. LOL..

[Goomba]

he sent me this message to my inbox about a half hour ago..

Is it the captain or his lawyer? We know who the P**** is!

u know he is reading these posts.. LOL..

Well if he comes back , I hope it is at midnight. Then I win. :lol:

[dthotrods]

Ad #2079548 POSTED: Sun, Dec 26 2010 WILL TRADE ON PRE-72
JUST LIKE NEW!!! 678 HRS

CATEGORY:: Antique/Classic: Chevrolet GREENUP, KY
Status: DELETED Expires: -15 day(s) (extend)
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look at this ad, the date on it is even older with more pics.
how could i poss put this on there the same day we traded then take it off
the npost on the other ad was 12-09-2010. almost a whole month before we traded. we did not trade on the ad post as bart states i swear!
point is he had plenty of time to chose, inspect,take it where ever he wanted ect.ect. i did not rip anyone off and never intend to.
nothing was wrong with the tractor when it was del and that is the reason we traded. if he did not like what he had seen for 3 or 4 hrs he couldve changed his mind at any point and i would have drove away.
he had 2 full days to have something to happen to the tractor before calling me. the tractor i traded was a very nice one. i cannot help it if something happend to it after we traded.
if one of you guys trade a car and on the way home the car that you traded on breaks down on the other guy are you going to pay for repairs not knowing how hard he had been on it?
so if you do not like me and do not want to trade with me then dont.if you do thats ok as well. if i trade after the deal is done you will never have me call and complain to you about the deal. i am no mech but i do know things happen. i have drove 2 or 3 hrs to do a trade before and have someone back out because they said the car looked better in the pics or they didnt think mine was worth the same value, no prob we both drove off happy but i have never had someone say they was happy when we do a trade then 2 days later say im a dirtbag scammer.
talk bad of me if you want but until this happens to you nobody knows.
for the record i may have shared my info and gave access to my site to somebody just incase i needed some help. got to cover my own,nobody else will. thanks tom

[SUPERBARTMAN]

(IC3) FBI!

[MEMRACING62]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Harbone]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

exactly!!!

Its not internet fraud if he showed up at your door and you had time to inspect the item, if you had paid for the item and it showed up at your door and it wasnt at advertised, thats internet fraud!

[mopar1968]

Tom i believe i would tell him to wear it out,Call whom he want's to call :!: And just not respond to him anymore :!:






Mark

[fast75vega]

damn.... 7 pages...... :o if as much time was spent looking over the tractor and car as it did to write some of their responses on here.... they might not be in this situation...... :lol:


i read every dang post in here and it comes down buyers remorse ..... you both looked at the items first hand and inspected them.... there for no fraud ...just remorse :wink:

[Goomba]

damn.... 7 pages...... :o if as much time was spent looking over the tractor and car as it did to write some of their responses on here.... they might not be in this situation...... :lol:


i read every dang post in here and it comes down buyers remorse ..... you both looked at the items first hand and inspected them.... there for no fraud ...just remorse :wink:


Did I win? Did I win ,Yea I won. I know I did. :D

[jdrods]

omg,you not still crying are you bart?with all your big law degrees you can't possible think you can do a trade on something have the time to check it out tear it up and then expect somebody else to pay for it,you are flipping NUTS!!!!!!you need to just stop trying to scam money out somebody.i bought a dozer from a guy traveled 4 hours to get it payed out for a rollback to go pick it up,run it on my farm for 3 days the hydraulics went out but i never called the guy and complained about it or slandered him all over the place.cause things like that does happen,i just sucked it up and paid for the repairs.the samething you should do.

[fast75vega]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/c-low74/arguing.jpg

[racefan55]

(IC3) FBI!

he keeps sending me messages to my inbox.. lol..
i wonder if his wife has to listen to him..

[Harbone]

(IC3) FBI!

he keeps sending me messages to my inbox.. lol..
i wonder if his wife has to listen to him..

post them up!

[mopar1968]

X2 Chris post them up :!: :!:








Mark

[SUPERBARTMAN]

Of coarse I am pissed about being scammed. Any normal person would be. Me being pissed does not justify Tom Jones AKA Tomsrods scamming and defrauding me.

YOU DO THE CRIME, YOU DO THE TIME! ENOUGH TALKING, ITS ACTION TIME!


SUPERBARTMAN OUT!

[Harbone]

Of coarse I am pissed about being scammed. Any normal person would be. Me being pissed does not justify Tom Jones AKA Tomsrods scamming and defrauding me.

YOU DO THE CRIME, YOU DO THE TIME! ENOUGH TALKING, ITS ACTION TIME!


SUPERBARTMAN OUT!

really :?: :roll:

[THERATTLER]

Damn , I missed another one :lol: :lol:

[Scorpion1110]

Of coarse I am pissed about being scammed. Any normal person would be. Me being pissed does not justify Tom Jones AKA Tomsrods scamming and defrauding me.

YOU DO THE CRIME, YOU DO THE TIME! ENOUGH TALKING, ITS ACTION TIME!


SUPERBARTMAN OUT!

Do you wear a cape? just curious.

Scorp

[dthotrods]

OMG! surely everybody else has to see whats going on here.
Lets see, hum.......
If you dont send me $1055.00 asap i will ruin you on this site tom, i will turn you in to the ic3 tom, i need $1055.00 now and poss more later to cover this tom. send the money to me at this address.
Am i getting blackmailed here or what? i never had this happen before and never thought it would either.
I just want to know what everyone else thinks? am i?or is it just me?
I knew a member could post on the forum but i didnt know they would let that kinda thing go on.

[SUPERBARTMAN]

Welcome back Scorp. you scambuster you!

I only wear a cape when I have been screwed or scammed and then i put on my BARTMAN CAPE and become a crime fighter. What does a Scorp wear?

I have over 3000 hits total on this scammer. He finally got my ad on RJ deleted after it ran for 2 days. It referred RJ members to this forum.

I forgot to mention that Tom Jones is also tomsrod/pete67 and who knows who else. Thanks to bjuice we all know that. He has many faces

By the way thanks for bringing this scam back to the top in the forum. Happy hunting.

[Harbone]

More like 3000 hits on a rambler, cause thats all you do is ramble on and on and on and on...

[jdrods]

thats exactly what it is tom,nothing but blackmail.people like him needs to be barred from this sight.

[SUPERBARTMAN]

KEEP IT GOING BOYS?! STUPIDITY RUNS RAMPID ON. GO LOOK IN THE MIRROR!
EAT MY SHORTS!

[THERATTLER]

:lol:

[mopar1968]

Lordy,Lordy Aunt Gurty 8 page's of rambling :!: :roll: :roll:








Mark

[jdrods]

stupid is as stupid does.

[SUPERBARTMAN]

jrods


Can i quote you on that? It's amazing what a little soul searching can do isn't it. Mirror, mirror!

I see you live right there in Ohio next to Tom. How many scams have you helped Tom with? You might even be another Tom or one of his girlfriends. He owes you bigtime now.

[jdrods]

well now bart you didn't have to do to much soul searching i'm not really that hard to find.i'm about an hour away from greenup,those long distance relationships don't work for me ole boy.and you will never find anybody on this sight or any other sight that will ever tell you that i have done them wrong on any of my trades,go look at my racespace everone of my vehicles are high dollar cars and i have traded everyone one of them.so don't even think of putting me in the same catagory as you,cause your the one pulling a blackmail scam and wrong is wrong and right is right and what your doing is just flat out wrong.

[Goomba]

well now bart you didn't have to do to much soul searching i'm not really that hard to find.i'm about an hour away from greenup,those long distance relationships don't work for me ole boy.and you will never find anybody on this sight or any other sight that will ever tell you that i have done them wrong on any of my trades,go look at my racespace everone of my vehicles are high dollar cars and i have traded everyone one of them.so don't even think of putting me in the same catagory as you,cause your the one pulling a blackmail scam and wrong is wrong and right is right and what your doing is just flat out wrong.

All most nine. Come on you can do it. :P

[SUPERBARTMAN]

jrods

guilty by association then!


pete67 wrote:


I have traded with Tom a couple of times and I think he is a outstanding and honest person. I would do business with him again. Tom I am still in practice if you need anything or advise give me a ring.


Ok..Now I see Tomsrod and Pete67 are one of the same or at least share the same computer...lol
_________________
Bjuice..

Tug boat captain and now a lawyer too! LOL!

[SUPERBARTMAN]

jrods
If you can read this thank a teacher.

Surely, surely if you have any sense you can understand this. Several people on here understand.

It appears that you are trying to help Tom cover this up and all who read this will know what you are doing. Not good for a trader who has high dollar cars.

The more you write, the more exposure he get and now it's your exposlure too.


lively
RACING JUNKIE


Joined: 03 Nov 2004
Posts: 1986
Location: ILLINOIS
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:57 pm Post subject:

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i guess i will be the bad guy here
TOM--i think you were 100% WROOOOOOOOOOONG AND CROOKED TO POST A PIC OF A DIFFERENT TRACTOR[ OTHER THEN THE 1 YOU HAD FOR SELL] ON YOUR ADD
that my fine friend is called bait & switch[in plain words--SCAMMING]

[SUPERBARTMAN]

lively
RACING JUNKIE


Joined: 03 Nov 2004
Posts: 1986
Location: ILLINOIS
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:35 pm Post subject:

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BOY-THAT DO NOT LOOK GOOD-
[TIRES LIKE NEW-VERY LITTLE WEAR]--NAH JUST FALLING APART

[678 HOURS]--LOW HOURS-BUT--NOTHING WORKS PROPERLY AND BEEN ABUSED HEAVILY

OH OH --WE HAVE A PROBLEM?????
_________________
[GASSERS ARE A GAS]

Are you reading? See everyone isn't stupid!

[MEMRACING62]

SUPERBARTMAN /REDDNOVA, It seems you were given oportunity to do your due diligence before the trade. You accepted its condition.....DONE DEAL!

[jdrods]

you need to go back and learn to read yourself bart,i never said i didn't know tom,that black and orange camaro on my profile pic came from tom and it was and i'm sure still is a very nice car.and i never said i was a big time trader not once,i'm a select trader,i pick and choose who i trade with,and i can coun't the people i trade with on 1 hand.i have only traded twice out of state once in jelico mt.the other in columbus. and that is only because those trades were worth my time.all other trades come to me even tom if and when we do another trade,and i would be more than happy to trade with him again if i think it is worth my time.most of my cars i have never driven except for the 68 camaro from tom and the 08 vette all others i have sent down the road and have never driven any of them i just collect them for my photo album and then i will trade them off and there is a reason for that but i don't have to explain myself to you or anybody else.but mostly the reason i don't trade very often is because of people like you.i'm trying to get the post up to 9

[SUPERBARTMAN]

jrod,

If you got that 2 toned Camaro from Tom you had better drive it and you better put it on a lift and check the frame. I understand that it has big rusty holes in it unless they have been covered up. Go see. You may have been scammed. If you have the 69 he had, it was rust from one end to the other and covered up. I'm not sure who has it.

The other thing is as you said you have high dollar cars. I don't know if you 2 toned the Camaro or Tom but eithe way you killed the value of the car with a paint job like that. Deduct $10000.

It is apparent to me you don't know what you are doing in trading or you as a trader wouldn't be in the scammers forum supporting a scammer caught red handed. It is and will be reflected on you. I see you expressing your opinion on other scammer threads on the forun. Not good!
One will get you sooner or later if Tom hasn't already and you aren't smart enough to know it.

You are not a scambuster like some of the guys in here who don't trade but live to comment on here. They consider themselves self appointed scambusters. They don't trade so they can say anything they want. They in general don't care who they rag on the scammer or the reporter of the scam and I can tell you that most of the time it is the reporter. That is how they get their kicks. Most scammers are smart enough to stay off of here. That is not the case here.

Good luck with your cars!

[SUPERBARTMAN]

racefan55
Bring those messages forward and don't try and copy and fabricate messages from me like you already have. You sent me 4 private messages from last night until this morning to me. The last one I just deleted. You were trying to get me to make some kind of statement so you could run like the LITTLE WIMP and post them on here. WHAT DID THEY CALL THOSE BOYS IN SCHOOL? TATTLETALES! OR WHAT!

You are such a BIG LIAR SCUMBUCKET!

BRING THEM! There are pople on here who can tell, can't you bjuice.

Makes me want to puke!

[mopar1968]

tmasitto - Well you got your dream 9 pages of blah blah blah :!: :!:






:lol: :lol: Mark

[racefan55]

first off im not tom jones, my name is brian (racefan55), my fathers name is eddie (hard2bme).. we both trade on here all the time, do your research..
what name are you going by today? rednova or bart? rednova, ok cool.. man you are full of shit! i had the red/black camaro also.. i actually owned it TWICE.. you are saying that car is full of rust? thats funny, i sold it for cash to a good buddy here local.. want to come and take a look? BE MY GUEST! bring that broke down tractor and ill trade you a go cart for it, with 4 good tires and a good transmission.. you can talk about all those other guys on this site that dont trade, but thats not me, i trade on this site all the time! you wont ever hear me cry about a trade.. if i trade i trade.. as far as expressing our opinions, you open yourself up for it! if you would quit crying everyone would go away. but i think you thrive on this shit! ONCE AGAIN, PUT YOUR BIG BOY PANTS ON, MOVE ON..

ALSO, IM GOING TO COPY AND PASTE THESE MESSAGES YOU SENT ME, THEN IM DONE.. YOU SENT ME A MESSAGE FIRST! I RESPONDED, THEN YOU KEPT SENDING MESSAGES! I DONT FABRICATE ANYTHING! YOU NEED A LIFE!!
here are your messages that you sent me.. and once again, SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT, GET A LIFE, IM DONE WITH YOU! ..

first message u sent me
Tell Lying Tom I said hi. You and I can go together and visit him in jail.

second message u sent me
Then you need to stay th f*** off my threads with your ignorant bullshit opinions.
It's easy for people like you to express their opinions when it's me or someone else, not you that got scammed and will have to pay out real money for repairs to the tractor I had a day and half and never used. The first day being Sun. I don't work on Sun. The half day being Mon. loading and transporting the tractor 100 miles to 2 dealers to see what is broken. All of this is in addition to finding out after the fact that I had been defrauded.
If you don't want to hear from me, stay the F*** off my threads. I read all your ignorant bs stuff in the forums.
I hope you are the next one to get scammed!

third message u sent me
Is it the captain or his lawyer? We know who the P**** is!

fourth message u sent me
I have alwalys had my big boy pants on. I'll pick up the tractor and pay the bill in a couple of days but that is not important now.
Today is your big day! TOM JONES (TOMSROD)LEFT HANDED SALUTE, AYE, AYE CAPIETAIN AND TOM JONES, (RACEFAN55) JACK LEGGED ATTORNEY IMPERSONATOR, RIGHT FOOT BOOT UP YOUR LIMEY ASS! AYE AYE

[SUPERBARTMAN]

racefan44,

Dumb ass, those are replies to your messages. Any fool can see that. Check the frame of that car. it is covered up and paint jobs like that are only used to cover up bondo and bad body work. Ameteur paint job too! Minus $10500 LOL

I see you, Lying Tom, pete67 and racefan55 are all in bed together. Kiss, Kiss!

Keep running your mouth, mouth! LITTLE TATTLETALE! LOL

[Goomba]

tmasitto - Well you got your dream 9 pages of blah blah blah :!: :!:






:lol: :lol: Mark

Hey can we go 10 ? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[lively]

WHY NOT 8) 8) 8) WAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!

[dragonmaster093]

hmm wife woke me up fell asleep reading this blabbity blab drivel on who can make the other look worse please end it or shoot me

[MEMRACING62]

hmm wife woke me up fell asleep reading this blabbity blab drivel on who can make the other look worse please end it or shoot meNAAAA.....LETS GO FOR 15 :P

[jdrods]

i'll go for 10,i have got all night to do this.first off you need to put your pop bottle glasses on and learn to read.i stated the 68 camaro and the 08 vette was the only 2 i have driven.second neither me or tom painted that car tom brought it in on a trailer and i took it off of him but before he would trade with me he put me in the passenger seat to show me just what that car could do,and it was wicked.3rd of all there was not 1 bit of rust on that car anywere.and paint job on that car didn't hurt the value at all.and you tell me were in the world i have every posted anything on this forum,i'll bet you 1055 and my 2007 john deere tractor to your tractor and i'm the only owner of my tractor and i have all the paper work to back it up.i have never posted anything on this site up until you tried blackmailing tom.i told you i can count on 1 hand the guys i trade with,and those guys are brian,eddie,and tom,and the other 2 guys don't even get on here anymore.so if you wanna start making up lies on me you better know what your talking about,and you better have proof of what you say about me cause i won't holler FBI bullshit.you'll just get paper served in the mail.and if i have to spend out 5 thousand dollars to get my attorney to file the papers on you thats nothing to me.so go ahead and try me.and we will go from there,and the reason i don't drive these cars it takes 600 dollars to put hand controls on any of these cars and 600 to take them off if i trade a car.and another thing you talk about that big law degree that you have and how you were the head of your class thats real easy to do when your the only one in the class.i can get all sorts of degrees sitting right on my ass in from my t.v. messin on this computer.try getting a captains documents on a computer you can't do it it takes at least 8 yrs.of busting ass in the blistering heat,pissin rain,freezing weather,and then you might just be lucky enough to run a boat if your skilled enough.yea i did that for damn near 20yrs. that's y i sit a wheelchair the rest of my life,and before that i ran dozers,tractors,cranes and anything else you can think of,i just got rid of a 158 acre farm so don't sit there and tell me i don't know what i'm talking about.your the lying basterd and everybody knows it.so make up a few more lies about me i'm not near as nice as tom is.i don't really care who i piss off.you made this personal with me,when you started talking about the crooked ass law degree out weighs that captains license

[SUPERBARTMAN]

jrods,
It appears that you have been around Lying Tom too much and are now fabricating things I said. Shame! Like I said you will get yours. You might want to talk to Pete67 for advice.

This is my thread and you weren't invited by me so when you start running your mouth you need to be able to back it up. When someone attacks me, I fight back. None of this is a problem for me. I love a good fight.

LyingTom kept screaming that I had the tractor for 2 full days and that is a big lie. I had it for 1 1/2 days and that included Sun and as I stated I don't work on Sun. The half was towing the tractor to 2 dealers to find out what problem was. I did not use or operate the tractor other than the test Sun. The $1055 dollars is what the bill is going to be. It will probably be more. I have 3 certified tractor, equipment mechanics with over 105 years total experience that have examined the broken transmission in the tractor and their expert opinion is that the 4 wheel drive and trans. have been damabed and busted for a long time and the tractor abused in this broken stage also for a this long period also. The 2 ads Tom ran prove what Tom did scam. He is even dumb enough to come on here and make a statement that the tractor I got from him is in better condition, new cond, excellent tires, than the tractor he had used for the bait that belonged to Abele Tractor and Equipment in Albany Ny. Had I not done a search to get information about that model tractor on the internet I would never have found their ad and the exact copy of it that Tom had used in his scam.

I gave Tom plenty of time to correct the problem before I filed the scammer report. I have not asked for any money in this forum. The restitution offer expired prior to my filing this scammer report and now it's a matter of principle.

As far as the Captain bs., I have owned several big boats and I was the Captain of my boats. I operated them in the open seas and even to the Bahamas and back. I have been in storms with 15 foot waves on the open sea and torrents of rain. This was recreation for me just like drag racing is. Have you? So whatsup.

It doesn't matter what i think or say about you, I don't really know you other than you are supporting a scammer. You attacked me, remember! You will not be judged by me but by all the RJ traders and people on RJ from the comments you have made and the scammer you have tried to defend. I could care less. See Ya!


Happy trading!

[Harbone]

does my post make 10????? winner, winner, chicken dinner!

Wow, this thing just keeps going. please stop, I dont usually beg but I have never read so much crap before in my life! If you are going to report him please do but the words you are typing are just garbage!
I am a Captain, no I am a Captain, no I am a Captain...

In the immortal words of Adam Sandler " Day and night (s)he talks, each word more useless than the next!"

Excuse me but HOLY CRAP!!

[oldandtired]

Let's all say it together, TEN, TEN, TEN, TEN, TEN!

[Harbone]

DAMNIT!!!!!!

sorry, the hot chics from the Zoosk advertising at the top of the page are staring at me again... :D

[SUPERBARTMAN]

LOL

SUPERBARTMAN OUT!

[Goomba]

LOL

SUPERBARTMAN OUT!


TEN TEN TEN TEN. :lol:

[Harbone]

Goomba, you are the winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Goomba]

Goomba, you are the winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yea.!!!!!!!!!! :D But I bet he will be back. :roll:

[Harbone]

Goomba, you are the winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yea.!!!!!!!!!! :D But I bet he will be back. :roll:

you think?!?!?!?!?!?

I am saying at least 19 before its all said and done, next thing you know he will be a retired astronaut or a korean war helicopter pilot. how about a rocket scientist, yeah thats it, rocket scientist!!

oops, my bad, this thread seems to have been hijacked, lets shoot for 25!!!!!

:lol:

[Goomba]

Goomba, you are the winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yea.!!!!!!!!!! :D But I bet he will be back. :roll:

you think?!?!?!?!?!?

I am saying at least 19 before its all said and done, next thing you know he will be a retired astronaut or a korean war helicopter pilot. how about a rocket scientist, yeah thats it, rocket scientist!!

oops, my bad, this thread seems to have been hijacked, lets shoot for 25!!!!!

:lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Scorpion1110]

Well done Bart. Mission accomplished!

You did it! You kept this thread at the top and showed everyone that Tom was a scammer.

Or did you?

What you actually did was just act like Bart. Exactly the same as the previous time you posted. You called the other party a scammer and, post after post came more and more unraveled as other members questioned what you were saying. How dare anyone disagree with you huh Bart? You are almost an attorney and are a self-proclaimed skipper.

So you went to IC3 on Tom- good job. You showed him. Of course maybe they will visit this thread..... maybe visit the other one........ maybe see your posts............ maybe see that the font size increases as you become more and more agitated...... maybe they will see your name calling.....maybe they will see that you call yourself SuperBartman.

Yep it was pure genius to keep posting and keeping this bad boy at the top- you have an amazing intellect.

Because no one will read this and think that there's anything wrong with you will they? No credibility issues here huh?

Keep posting Bart and show us how smart you are. Boy did you make us look silly ;)

Scorp

[dragonmaster093]

Well done Bart. Mission accomplished!

You did it! You kept this thread at the top and showed everyone that Tom was a scammer.

Or did you?

What you actually did was just act like Bart. Exactly the same as the previous time you posted. You called the other party a scammer and, post after post came more and more unraveled as other members questioned what you were saying. How dare anyone disagree with you huh Bart? You are almost an attorney and are a self-proclaimed skipper.

So you went to IC3 on Tom- good job. You showed him. Of course maybe they will visit this thread..... maybe visit the other one........ maybe see your posts............ maybe see that the font size increases as you become more and more agitated...... maybe they will see your name calling.....maybe they will see that you call yourself SuperBartman.

Yep it was pure genius to keep posting and keeping this bad boy at the top- you have an amazing intellect.

Because no one will read this and think that there's anything wrong with you will they? No credibility issues here huh?

Keep posting Bart and show us how smart you are. Boy did you make us look silly ;)

Scorp
well said brother

[jdrods]

"it's best to keep your mouth shut and everybody think your a fool than to open it and prove everybody right."

[Harbone]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/c-low74/arguing.jpg

I know this is far from being "politicaly correct" but I laughed pretty damn hard when I saw it and it could not be put anywhere more appropriately than on this post!!
good one Fast75vega :!: :lol:

[SUPERBARTMAN]

thanks i thinkI couldn't use scorp. it was already taken! Damn!

SUPERBARTMAN OUT! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

[Goomba]

thanks i thinkI couldn't use scorp. it was already taken! Damn!

SUPERBARTMAN OUT! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!



He will return. You did 6 or 7 times now. :P

[gmanxss]

SCORP, you have sumed this thread up perfectly. :D :D

[fast75vega]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/c-low74/arguing.jpg

I know this is far from being "politicaly correct" but I laughed pretty damn hard when I saw it and it could not be put anywhere more appropriately than on this post!!
good one Fast75vega :!: :lol:

thanks man.... im must likely gonna burn in hell for it but damn it funny and rings true to must treads like this :lol:

[SUPERBARTMAN]

This is real a world scammer hunting satire; Not a fairy tale stickey note of a scammer chase that isn't even realistic or a part of RJ.

Welcome to real world scammer hunting boys. It is what it is and I am what I am. Nothing more, nothing less!

Scorp you really earned your salary from RJ this time. Thanks for not helping as I had requested! I do thank you for helping me complete my satire and your psychological evaluation and critique. Is this a new field opening up or new calling? Happy hunting!

SUPERBARTMAN[/b]

[SUPERBARTMAN]

Complaint has been filed and case no. assigned.

[SUPERBARTMAN]

SUPERBARTMAN OUT!

[SUPERBARTMAN]

THE PARTY'S OVER!

[Harbone]

but our amps go to 11...

[mopar1968]

Post up the case number :!: :!:







Mark

[dragonmaster093]

attention hound think this will go for another 4-6 pages of bs

[wvhippie]

Complaint has been filed and case no. assigned. Case # 637BULLSHIT

[mopar1968]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:






Mark

[dragonmaster093]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :shock: :shock:

[SUPERBARTMAN]

BUSTED! tomsrod and pete67 are the same. Looks like Tom created pete67 just a few months after he joined RJ to help him carry out his scams. pete67's profile says he is a 30 year veteran attorney. lol

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pete67 wrote:
I have traded with Tom a couple of times and I think he is a outstanding and honest person. I would do business with him again. Tom I am still in practice if you need anything or advise give me a ring.


Ok..Now I see Tomsrod and Pete67 are one of the same or at least share the same computer...lol
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:13 am Post subject:

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bjuice wrote:
pete67 wrote:
I have traded with Tom a couple of times and I think he is a outstanding and honest person. I would do business with him again. Tom I am still in practice if you need anything or advise give me a ring.


Ok..Now I see Tomsrod and Pete67 are one of the same or at least share the same computer...lol


bjuice is on it now. Busted. Hey I know how that feels. But all is good now.

[mopar1968]

Do i hear 12 :?: :?:



Mark

[THERATTLER]

YAWN

[BEAST477]

BUSTED! tomsrod and pete67 are the same. Looks like Tom created pete67 just a few months after he joined RJ to help him carry out his scams. pete67's profile says he is a 30 year veteran attorney. lol

bjuice
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pete67 wrote:
I have traded with Tom a couple of times and I think he is a outstanding and honest person. I would do business with him again. Tom I am still in practice if you need anything or advise give me a ring.


Ok..Now I see Tomsrod and Pete67 are one of the same or at least share the same computer...lol
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bjuice wrote:
pete67 wrote:
I have traded with Tom a couple of times and I think he is a outstanding and honest person. I would do business with him again. Tom I am still in practice if you need anything or advise give me a ring.


Ok..Now I see Tomsrod and Pete67 are one of the same or at least share the same computer...lol


bjuice is on it now. Busted. Hey I know how that feels. But all is good now.




OH MY GOD :!: :!: :!:
This is breaking news.
Hey BART wasn't this discovered a few pages back?
Get a life and move on since you turned it over to the feds what more do we need to hear :?: :?: :?:
ABSOLUTLY NOTHING :!:

Man, I feel better now.

[SUPERBARTMAN]

I apologize guys. He tried to rip off a friend of mine today and I thought I would bring it to the front and end of the forum again. He has 2 ad's going right now.

Sorry!

[lively]

in fact--i think that once you file it with the feds--you are not suppose to be publicizing it--IT IS A LAW SUIT REALLY :shock: :shock:

[Goomba]

in fact--i think that once you file it with the feds--you are not suppose to be publicizing it--IT IS A LAW SUIT REALLY :shock: :shock:



Hey good point.. Is this 12????? Dam it. :cry:

[MEMRACING62]

Complaint has been filed and case no. assigned. Case # 637BULLSHIT brought your case # up for ya...just so you wont forget it!!

[Scooterz]

LOL!!

[Goomba]

[quote="Rigsby"]LOL!![/


well we hit 12. :roll: :cry: :arrow: How about 13 :D

[SUPERBARTMAN]

Jut to finalize what Tom cost me. $1600 to get tractor repaired-$200 for towing it to the shop and back-$5000 difference in value in the tractor that I got and the tractor Tom advertised and I thought I was getting.

PRETTY EXPENSIVE SCAM! RIGHT TOM?????