Super Victor or Dart SBC 23 Degree Intake?

[TheEngineer]

So, which one makes the most HP out of the box? And, which one makes the most HP after porting?

Also, the Super Victor PN 2925 lists for around $230.00 and the Dart PN 4241-1000 lists for about $400.00. The Dart is almost twice the the Super Victor, so is it worth that much more in HP?

Warren

[JEFF69Z28]

HARD TO SAY,IM SURE EVERONE HAS THEIR OWN OPINION,THE SV 2925 OUT OF THE BOX IS KINDA ROUGH UNDER THE CARB BUT THAT CAN BE CLEANED UP.230.00 VS 400.00 I WENT WITH THE SV 2925 AND HAD IT PORT MATCHED.THE ONLY WAY I WOULD CHANGE IS IF SOME COMPANY DID A TEST AND COULD PROVE ONE WAS BETTER THAN THE OTHER BY A WIDE MARGIN.
JMO

[TheEngineer]

HARD TO SAY,IM SURE EVERONE HAS THEIR OWN OPINION,THE SV 2925 OUT OF THE BOX IS KINDA ROUGH UNDER THE CARB BUT THAT CAN BE CLEANED UP.230.00 VS 400.00 I WENT WITH THE SV 2925 AND HAD IT PORT MATCHED.THE ONLY WAY I WOULD CHANGE IS IF SOME COMPANY DID A TEST AND COULD PROVE ONE WAS BETTER THAN THE OTHER BY A WIDE MARGIN.
JMO

DoorRacer (Curtis) send me this link, which I was very impressed with the HP gains after porting the Victor. But, I don't want to discount the possible potential performance of a Dart intake.

http://1320techtalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=1392&highlight=super+victor

I'm currently running a Wheeler intake that I port-matched myself (basicall got it free), but I'm looking for a better inake and a few HP gain.

Warren

[curtisreed]

Warren, call and talk to Chad the guy who has 1320techtalk. He is a pretty straight up guy. He can tell you if it would be worth the money.

Curtis

[TheEngineer]

Warren, call and talk to Chad the guy who has 1320techtalk. He is a pretty straight up guy. He can tell you if it would be worth the money.

Curtis

Curtis,

That is a great idea, I'll give him a call Monday and see what he has to say about both intakes! I'm sure I can't go wrong with the Super Victor, however, the Dart may be the better option.

I'm sooo.... close to 8s with this car I can almost smell them! So, I'm looking for another small performance upgrade that will give me a few more HP. Another upgrade is a vacuum pump ($850.00 typically), I'm currently running the collector vac tubes. I've spent a lot of money already this season to get everything set up and really need to cut back on the spending. But maybe I could fit a new intake into the budget.

Also, with some good air the Cavalier may go into the 8s as it is (9.0Xs last weekend) and it has been very consistent.

Warren

[curtisreed]

We were down in your neck of the woods Fri. and Sat. at my daughters house. I would have loved to have the time to come out to the track, but we were helping at there house and I was on a ride along early Sat. morning with my son-in-law. My son-in-law is a OKC police officer down there. You might have seen him on TV. His name is Paco Balderrama, he was the spokesperson for the department for about 3 years. I am going to make it down there before the year is done though. I want to see that nice Cavalier make it into the eights.

Curtis

[hammertime]

5-6 yrs ago .. I did 4 intakes on my 434 a dart wilson was the fastest, pro products next, victor jr, followed by a super victor.

Super victor was 2 tenths slower then Dart Wilson ... never could get that intake to perform. 23 degree afr 227's worked over by Rons

[TheEngineer]

We were down in your neck of the woods Fri. and Sat. at my daughters house. I would have loved to have the time to come out to the track, but we were helping at there house and I was on a ride along early Sat. morning with my son-in-law. My son-in-law is a OKC police officer down there. You might have seen him on TV. His name is Paco Balderrama, he was the spokesperson for the department for about 3 years. I am going to make it down there before the year is done though. I want to see that nice Cavalier make it into the eights.

Curtis

Curtis,

I've seen your son-in-law on TV many times! Wish you could have made it out to the track Saturday night for our TVRP bracket race (spectator or whatever).

The air wasn't too good Saturday, around 2700 DA, but the Cavalier went 9.11 @ 148.9 MPH first time down the track Saturday afternoon. I got off to a good start and won first round, then took myself out 2nd round with a -.023 red light. Ouch! I also went down to Ardmore on Sunday and won a few rounds. It went 5.79 in the 1/8 mile.

Warren

[curtisreed]

Your car is flying no doubt. Let me know what Chad says about your intake. A tenth is quite a bit to pick up there, but I hope you do. I will make it out there soon to meet you in person. If it doesn't rain Fri. I am going to take my junk to test and tune. Hoping to run some 9.80s before I slow it down. NHRA track now and my chassis won't certify.

Curtis

[TheEngineer]

I talked with Chad today, I had forgot he is just across the state line in Hays Kansas.

Anyway, his preference is the Super Victor. But, that seemed to be based more on personal preference than anything else (and not dyno numbers, Victor-v-Dart). I also got his prices for reworking the Victor (Plenum area and port matching).

He also said the Wheeler Hurricane intake I'm currently running has some performance attributes. So, that's good to know! And, I think I did some really good port-matching on it myself, which is the main reason I'm using it (pride in my work and also saved a few $$$$ by not buying a new intake). But now, I'm thinking outside the box and considering other intake options for a few more HP.

Warren

[JEFF69Z28]

Does anyone have any pictures of the plenum area after it has been reworked,what needs attention and how do you do it.

[TheEngineer]

Does anyone have any pictures of the plenum area after it has been reworked,what needs attention and how do you do it.


This link has some photos of the plenum area on a Super Victor 2925 that Chad in Kansas has reworked.

http://1320techtalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=1392&highlight=super+victor

Also, Lloyd Elliott at Red Oak, Texas "Elliott's Portworks" (a close friend of mine) also does these intakes. I believe Chad and Lloyd know each other and swap porting and flow information.

I've done some intake port-matching myself, which turned-out really good (I have some of the various length porting arbors, burs and sanding rolls). But I've never tried to clean-out and smooth-up the plenum area. It looks like it would be really hard to get down in there on the floor of the plenum.

Warren

[curtisreed]

Warren, I think you must have done some good port matching. You don't run the ETs you are if the porting was junk. :shock: :shock:

Curtis

[TheEngineer]

Warren, I think you must have done some good port matching. You don't run the ETs you are if the porting was junk. :shock: :shock:

Curtis

Curtis,

After my port-matching job and after the intake was installed, I looked down the runners on the Wheeler and every intake port appeared to match-up perfectly with my Dart Pro-1 head ports. The FelPro 1206 gasket was also perfectly aligned on each port and didn't protrude into any of the runners.

I think there was both some luck and skill involved with the results. But, I've always had those second-thoughts about the Wheeler and that I could have used a better intake (Victor or Dart).

Warren

[wmeabates]

Because port matching an intake was talked about I'll say how I do it.Put the gasket on the head that matches the port and hold it in place with masking tape on the top toward the valve cover,put a couple dabs of rtv on the top side of the gasket where the intake will set,put the intake on with the bolt holes on the intake centered on the bolt holes in the head.put a few bolts in snug,let the rtv set up,remove the tape and intake, the gasket will stay on the intake and show where to port match.Bill.

[cepx111]

Because port matching an intake was talked about I'll say how I do it.Put the gasket on the head that matches the port and hold it in place with masking tape on the top toward the valve cover,put a couple dabs of rtv on the top side of the gasket where the intake will set,put the intake on with the bolt holes on the intake centered on the bolt holes in the head.put a few bolts in snug,let the rtv set up,remove the tape and intake, the gasket will stay on the intake and show where to port match.Bill.\
Thats some good advise right there^^^^

[wmeabates]

Thanks CP,That way helps when matching a dual plane you can't see into,but you have to use marks on the head and intake before removing it so you can get it back on in the same location front to back.Bill.

[TheEngineer]

Here are some before and after photos of the port-matching I did on my Wheeler intake manifold. They were lined-up and matched to a FelPro 1206 gasket. The Wheeler ports were both undersize and off-set, which I corrected the the port-matching. I also smoothed-out my die grinder work with sanding rolls, but forgot to take photos of the finish work. Which actually looked good for a rookie porter like me.

Warren

http://gi77.photobucket.com/groups/j64/BIYQRGF9O7/100_1618.jpg?t=1271266872

http://gi77.photobucket.com/groups/j64/BIYQRGF9O7/100_1620.jpg?t=1271267717