Beware of Todd Cowan of Grand Rapids Michiga

[dbmtrapgold]

Todd Cowan (Cowan Motorsports) of Grand Rapids Michigan :evil: and I had a deal for me to buy a motor that he had listed on racing junk, I had talked to him on Feb 3, about the motor, and he agreed to a deal, He was going to be going to Daytona, so I said I would call him when he was back to arrange picking up and paying for the motor after he was home.

I called on Wednesday the 16 of Feb, and left a message, he did not call me back, I call on Thursday the 17 early in the afternoon, and left another message, I then called again later, and he actually answered the phone, then said the another person had called this week about the motor, and could he call me back, I said yes.

He calls me back in a half hour, and says he is going to sell the motor to this other guy, he is local and making it worth his time, and that we had a deal, at this point in the conversation I hung up on him, he wasnt worth talking to anymore.

If you see anything on here for sale by Todd Cowan, be wary, he doesnt honor deals, and isnt trustworthy.

Dan Mohler

[hollowayshotrods]

March 3 of what year? I assume you meant Feb.3.

Todd Cowan (Cowan Motorsports) of Grand Rapids Michigan :evil: and I had a deal for me to buy a motor that he had listed on racing junk, I had talked to him on March 3, about the motor, and he agreed to a deal, He was going to be going to Daytona, so I said I would call him when he was back to arrange picking up and paying for the motor after he was home.

I called on Wednesday the 16 of Feb, and left a message, he did not call me back, I call on Thursday the 17 early in the afternoon, and left another message, I then called again later, and he actually answered the phone, then said the another person had called this week about the motor, and could he call me back, I said yes.

He calls me back in a half hour, and says he is going to sell the motor to this other guy, he is local and making it worth his time, and that we had a deal, at this point in the conversation I hung up on him, he wasnt worth talking to anymore.

If you see anything on here for sale by Todd Cowan, be wary, he doesnt honor deals, and isnt trustworthy.

Dan Mohler

[blownalky3]

I am confused :roll: First we need an ad #. You say March 3??? :roll: Surely you mean Feb 3. You then say he was going to sell the motor to another guy who is local and making it worth his time and in the same sentence you say he said you had a deal :roll: ??? Please clarify. Thanks for posting and welcome to the Forum

Todd Cowan (Cowan Motorsports) of Grand Rapids Michigan :evil: and I had a deal for me to buy a motor that he had listed on racing junk, I had talked to him on March 3, about the motor, and he agreed to a deal, He was going to be going to Daytona, so I said I would call him when he was back to arrange picking up and paying for the motor after he was home.

I called on Wednesday the 16 of Feb, and left a message, he did not call me back, I call on Thursday the 17 early in the afternoon, and left another message, I then called again later, and he actually answered the phone, then said the another person had called this week about the motor, and could he call me back, I said yes.

He calls me back in a half hour, and says he is going to sell the motor to this other guy, he is local and making it worth his time, and that we had a deal, at this point in the conversation I hung up on him, he wasnt worth talking to anymore.

If you see anything on here for sale by Todd Cowan, be wary, he doesnt honor deals, and isnt trustworthy.

Dan Mohler

[dbmtrapgold]

thanks for the heads up, I edited it to feb.

I can post the ad# as he has taken it off of racing junk, and yes we had a deal, and said as much when he said he was going to sell it to someone else.

[blownalky3]

You CAN post the ad number and it will still be able to view it so please post it. Thanks

[hollowayshotrods]

If you have the ad # it will still come up even if he deleted it. Post the ad # if you have it.

thanks for the heads up, I edited it to feb.

I can post the ad# as he has taken it off of racing junk, and yes we had a deal, and said as much when he said he was going to sell it to someone else.

[hollowayshotrods]

Damn it!! Treed again!!

You CAN post the ad number and it will still be able to view it so please post it. Thanks

[dbmtrapgold]

http://www.racingjunk.com/category/91/Circle_Track/post/1718782/-353ci-Engine-No-reasonable-offer-refused.-.html

above is link to add, and just the number is 1718782

Dan

[hollowayshotrods]

I don't see where this is a scam, although I would like to know why a man would break his word. I sent him a message, lets see if he responds.

[dbmtrapgold]

Didnt say it was a scam, we had a deal, then he decided to sell it to someone else.

[blownalky3]

You got me by 6 secs the first one, I got it by 2 sec this one

Damn it!! Treed again!!

You CAN post the ad number and it will still be able to view it so please post it. Thanks

[TheTodd96]

This is a scam how?

I’m not sure that this is even worth my time… see dbmtrapgold just started posting (4 total posts) to slam me.

This person, Dan. Did in fact call me before Daytona those facts are right (even though his spelling and grammar are not) he called and left two messages; I then called him back and told him someone made a better offer and the person was a local friend. Well that is as far as I got in our conversation because he hung up the phone on me; showing his maturity level. In my mind any chance he had of making a deal with me was gone. And so I thought that was the end. He never said anything besides “hello” last night on the phone. So now he posts something on here about it… I wonder why he didn’t have the balls to say something then?

Anyway I have requested the forum moderators to remove this thread. It’s clear this guy is just mad. It is not my responsibility to sell anything to anyone. He didn’t get the engine, he never even put money down on it.

End of story, it is not in my best interest to worry about this guy or anyone else. My main concern is myself; I’m sure everyone can understand that. Thanks to Hollowayshotrods for the email to tell me this thread exists.

[TheTodd96]

Funny I just called this guy again and he hung up on me again. I have never even sold anything through this website, we sell most stuff locally, so I'm not concerned with what this guy posts...

[hammertime]

Sounds to me like you had a deal with the man and got a better offer from a buddy ? I call that bad business JMO

[hollowayshotrods]

Men,
My suggestion to both of you is quite simple. We all know someone is not telling the truth, I have no idea who. I would let this go in an instant!
Look at the number of folks that have read this thread, not many. Should this continue many more folks will associate both of you guys to this thread. Believe me, it WILL affect your sales! Don't think so? Ask Keith Caudill aka traderguy aka rodsrus what the exposure has done for him! Do you really want/need that? Nobody lost money, nobody got hurt.......

Salvage whatever you can out of this, but without seeing the words WRITTEN (emails), it is a he said/he said situation. I am done with this thread, there are scammers that need to be eaten :!: :x
Good luck.

[dbmtrapgold]

From: TheTodd96 To: dbmtrapgold Date: 2010-02-02 07:00:38
Subject: Re: 353ci Engine No reasonable offer refused.
Re: Ad #1718782 - 353ci Engine No reasonable offer refused.

Feel free to call anytime. If I don't answer leave a message and I will call you back. I work days. This weekend works for me but it will need to be on Sunday as I have plans for Saturday. Anytime Sunday. Where are you coming from? Talk to you later.

Todd

On [2010-02-01 21:59:49] dbmtrapgold wrote:
> Todd,
>
> I will take the motor, what would be a good time to call you, I usually work 11am to 7:30pm.
>
> I wouldnt be able to pick it up this coming weekend, would the weekend after that be good for you.
>
> Dan
>
> On [2010-02-01 06:59:55] TheTodd96 wrote:
> > Dan,
> > Yes I still have the motor. 1500 would be the lowest I want to go but I would take it yes. Let me know if you are interested. 616-318-9682
> > Todd
> >
> > On [2010-01-31 16:07:07] dbmtrapgold wrote:
> > > Do you still have the motor, and would you take $1500 for it?
> > >
> > > Dan
> >

[hollowayshotrods]

We have a winner! I thought the last post was it for me.

Todd Cowan (Cowan Motorsports) of Grand Rapids Michigan :evil: and I had a deal for me to buy a motor that he had listed on racing junk, I had talked to him on Feb 3, about the motor, and he agreed to a deal, He was going to be going to Daytona, so I said I would call him when he was back to arrange picking up and paying for the motor after he was home.

I called on Wednesday the 16 of Feb, and left a message, he did not call me back, I call on Thursday the 17 early in the afternoon, and left another message, I then called again later, and he actually answered the phone, then said the another person had called this week about the motor, and could he call me back, I said yes.

He calls me back in a half hour, and says he is going to sell the motor to this other guy, he is local and making it worth his time, and that we had a deal, at this point in the conversation I hung up on him, he wasnt worth talking to anymore.

If you see anything on here for sale by Todd Cowan, be wary, he doesnt honor deals, and isnt trustworthy.

Dan Mohler

I gotta go with Dan on this one boys........Todd, in my opinion, after the email you sent me (see below), you are not an honorable person! You made a deal, should have stuck to it. You are the perfect example of a whelcher. Don't pm me, be a bigboy and come in here for all to see, and yes, I do know you don't care what we think, you told us. Most less than honorable people tend to feel that way, but I am sure that is no suprise to you.

Yes TheTodd96 :roll: , that certainly answered my question.
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From: TheTodd96
To: hollowayshotrods
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:49 pm
Subject: Dan's post and your question
I don't see where this is a scam, although I would like to know why a man would break his word. I sent him a message, lets see if he responds.

I broke the deal because it is my right to. Does that answer your question?

Also can you remove Dan's post that has my phone number? You seem to be acting as some kind of moderator; is that your position? If not do you know the moderators? I have sent them an email and I would like to contact them, preferably via phone. Thanks

Todd
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Sharks have no authority to do that, wouldn't have a clue how to remove someone elses thread, besides, hell would freeze over before I removed the thread or phone number that shows someone being less than honorable! Moderator? Hell no, I don't have the patience with folks that bjuice has! PM him, I am sure he will give you his phone number after reading this thread, I have no doubt he would love to talk to you. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[lively]

GEE TODD-------YOU ARE A CLASSIC WELCHER :oops: :oops:

I WILL MAKE YOU A GOOD DEAL/ AGREE TO THE DEAL ---THEN-------SCREW YOU AND THE HORSE YOU RODE IN ON!!!!!!! :shock: :shock:BECAUSE I FOUND A BETTER BUYER/FRIEND/OR WHATEVER !!!! :evil: :evil: :cry: :cry: :cry:


THAT MY FRIEND IS A WELCHER THRU AND THRU---I HATE TO TRY AND DEAL WITH PEOPLE LIKE THAT AND WILL JUST MARK THEM ON MY LIST AND REMIND MY SELF TO NOT GO NEAR THEM!!!

RUN FROM THIS SELLER AS FAST AS YOU CAN--NO PITTY HERE FOR THE SELLER --THE BUYER IS PROBABLY ALOT BETTER OFF WITHOUT THIS ENGINE-[IT COULD JUST BE JUNK!!!!]
LIVELY

[Scorpion1110]

Todd96:

Direct quote- "you broke the deal because it is your right to".

Not quite Hotshot.

Read the not so fine print

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You just confirmed you broke a contract, Genius.

I'd come after you simply on principle and to see the look on your face.

Could you please make and break a deal with me? Pretty please.

Scorp

[BEAST477]

Man Scorp, I wish I had a bag with half as many tricks in it. :shock: :lol:

[hollowayshotrods]

TheToddSir,
Has a moderator reached the headquarters of Whelcher, Inc. yet? Just curious?

[hollowayshotrods]

TheToddSir,
Hows it going in your attempt to remove your name from this forum? I know nobody lost any money, but we do like to update the "Liars List" on occassion.

TheToddSir,
Has a moderator reached the headquarters of Whelcher, Inc. yet? Just curious?

[dbmtrapgold]

check out what he has for a disclaimer now when trying to sell stuff

http://shorttrackthunder.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=10711

[Scooterz]

So... what now Todd???

1. Run like a coward?? -Or- 2. Get on here one last time & blow out w/ a final insult to everyone ("You guys have nothing better to do", "too much drama here", "you bunch of forum-bashers", etc... blah blah blah) maybe that will make you feel better at night. I am guessing you will pick #2 option.

Which one??? You suck & are a flake. You said it well: "My main concern is myself"... that's great... see how far that gets you when you default on a deal that blows up in your face w/ the wrong guy. You will end up in three places: the ground, court, or maybe jail. Keep diggin' genius.

[dragonmaster093]

tell you what if i bought some thing from him and he sold it as im on my whay to get it my time/fuel would be coming out of his hide a deal is a deal. im trading my truck towards new tires on the expedtion i getting 30 min after i got the deal worked out i gota call about it guy wanting to buy it told him if for some reason other deal went south id sell to him. thats the way men do deals not this azz clown. boy what would he do if 2 or more people came at the same time that he sold same past too?

[oldandtired]

You will end up in three places: the ground, court, or maybe jail. Keep diggin' genius.
Rigsby - love your quote!!!
:D Dave