CSR vrs Meziere

[gnsrule]

Whats a better water pump, CSR or Meziere. Ive had a CSR w/ no problems but someone told me the Meziere was better for whatever reason I dont remeber. Even down to which one holds there anodizing better. I had a blue one but now I want a Red one which would fade faster.

Craig

[482]

So you had a "CSR with no problems" and your thinking about changing because someone said so.
Why would you do that? Like they say don't fix it if it aint broke.
One is as good as the other. IMO :D

[Ron612]

CSR water pumps are 37GPM and the Meziere has one that is 55GPM for about $100 More. Ron612

[482]

But if the 37 gal is cooling the car fine ,why would you spend the extra 100? :shock:

[johnracer]

But if the 37 gal is cooling the car fine ,why would you spend the extra 100? :shock:
Agreed. I have a CSR and have never had any problems...I had a remote Meziere on my old FED and again, no problems.
Johnny

[BEAST477]

Hey Craig, the new ride looks good. I'm running a red CSR. It's just a year old works great still lokks good.

[Ron612]

i'm with these guys stay with the CSR i've never had any problems with them. and they recommend at 3500 hours or 50,000 miles of every day use, the motor should be replaced.

[hammertime]

My CSR is a POS .. it started making noise this year, I called to get a replacement motor, every shop I called said 3 weeks ouch !! But if you call CSR you can get one right away only cost more money then from Jegs, Summit,Motorstate grr

My water fill neck (csr) is also leaking .. they'd never seen one leak, a buddy has a brand new one leaks same spot, he called .. they had never seen one leak.

When this thing finally goes I will be replacing with a Meziere

[482]

yea, leave this thread here long enough and there will be someone with a meziere that is a POS !! :roll:
Same thing with Ford,Chevy,etc,etc.

[hammertime]

yea, leave this thread here long enough and there will be someone with a meziere that is a POS !! :roll:
Same thing with Ford,Chevy,etc,etc.

this same csr vs meziere chat is going on over on yb right now also ... there is several post of csr issues.

[gnsrule]

Thanks for all the input guys. This is exzactly what i was looking for. I know some guys like brand A, and some brand B. Granted I havent had a problem in the 3 yrs running a CSR buy just looking for some info as to whether or no to buy another one.
Please keep it comeing

Craig

[482]

this same csr vs meziere chat is going on over on yb right now also ... there is several post of csr issues.

So get a Meziere!!! :D

My CSR is 3 seasons old with no problems so far. May fly all to pieces next time I turn it on, but I will get another one.

I know you have seen stock Chevy/Ford/ whatever last for years and years AND others start leaking before the first oil change. That is my point.
Now I'm done with it 8)

[ashtrak]

CSR makes a high volume pump like Meziere

[kod99]

Dave,
My water filler neck was leaking this year too. I went to a 34 pound cap and that solved the problem.


My CSR is a POS .. it started making noise this year, I called to get a replacement motor, every shop I called said 3 weeks ouch !! But if you call CSR you can get one right away only cost more money then from Jegs, Summit,Motorstate grr

My water fill neck (csr) is also leaking .. they'd never seen one leak, a buddy has a brand new one leaks same spot, he called .. they had never seen one leak.

When this thing finally goes I will be replacing with a Meziere

[SG7126]

We have both... the csr came free... Ill use it.. as for buying a new one??? The Meziere family are wonderfull people,and long time racers, with are GREAT product. I would never buy anything else. best products weve ever used. Unsurpassed product support. Dont even get me started talking about there new starter...wow... awsome... At least give them a call directly.. see who your dealing with.. Just my opinion...thanks

[quick8dragster07]

sounds like a vendetta that hammertime has with the csr's.. But I've been running them on every car I've ever raced and haven't had a bit of trouble, matter of fact we ran one for 4 years on a car that had it on it when we bought it, and when we sold the car, it was still running.. Just saying I've never had a problem, and if I did jeg's would take it right back on warranty and ship a new one the next day! haha I love jegs..

~Matt

[gnsrule]

[quote="kod99"]Dave,
My water filler neck was leaking this year too. I went to a 34 pound cap and that solved the problem.

How could that posably be ?

[hammertime]

sounds like a vendetta that hammertime has with the csr's..

~Matt

your right Matt .. I wanted to have a "vendetta" so bad, I made my filler neck leak and my water pump need a motor .... my wallet must think the samething .. I have a "vendetta" ask it also, I have to having to take money out of it to fix them issues

:roll: :roll: :roll: :!: :arrow: :!:

[quick8dragster07]

David, I didn't say you "wanted" to have a vendetta with them sir, and I'm not going to get into a 'posting battle' with you either. You know as well as I do that any drag racing car is going to require maintenance, including water pumps, whether it has a csr or meziere it. You might be the unlucky guy that got the one lemon out of a hundred and that sucks, but that's the way it sometimes goes, unfortunately.

[hammertime]

My water fill neck (csr) is also leaking .. they'd never seen one leak, a buddy has a brand new one leaks same spot, he called .. they had never seen one leak.



Maybe you missed that part ;)

I agree everyone has issues but its how they want to take care of them is what makes a place stand apart ... CSR motors were not to be had from anyone for 2-3weeks but they had plenty on the shelf, whats that tell ya ?!?! It tells me they want you to buy from them only

[quick8dragster07]

You know I was trying to be sympathetic towards you, but you are obviously irrational and unable to be reasoned with. Have you ever dealt with msd? They are the only people who can fix there ignition boxes, are you going to try to find another manufacturer for that as well if it has to be repaired? The point is a company is obviously made to do one thing, and that is make money. They cut out the middle man and they make more profit, is there something wrong with that!?!?

Matt

[oldandtired]

You know I was trying to be sympathetic towards you, but you are obviously irrational and unable to be reasoned with. Have you ever dealt with msd? They are the only people who can fix there ignition boxes, are you going to try to find another manufacturer for that as well if it has to be repaired? The point is a company is obviously made to do one thing, and that is make money. They cut out the middle man and they make more profit, is there something wrong with that!?!?

Matt

He is trying to get a simple 12v replacement motor that Meziere will apparently not let stocking distributors put in stock.
MSD is a totally different animal with diods, transisters, circuit boards, etc. Once they do it it's as dependible as a new one for 1/2 price.
JMO, Dave

[quick8dragster07]

Agreed Dave! I probably went a smidge to far for oversimplification there. Great debate, since people are like this in everything whether its mustang vs. camaro, hardtail vs. fourlink etc.. Both sides always think they are right I guess..

[excelerater]

I have used both with no problems,but recently I had to send back some CSR stuff because the threads were out of pitch and fittings would not screw on

[fastfaster]

CSR or Meziere?
CSR is crap. when i had a problem their customer service was terrible.
i threw out the csr product and went to Meziere. Meziere was great! the product and tech support was outstanding!
people who cant afford the best or don't want to spend for the best will buy the crap. then they will justify their poor decision by claiming its just as good. just don't fall for the poor decision makers propaganda. BUY THE BEST AND MOVE ON TO OTHER ISSUES INSTEAD OF WASTING TIME WITH GARBAGE LIKE CSR.

[oldandtired]

Just curious, will the motor on the Meziere # WP1365 ($190) fit their 300 series pumps ($400)? Maybe a cheaper fix..........
Dave

[RDRACINGINC]

we sell 40 to 50 csr pumps a week & ship this worldwide with 0 problems, david is great with tech help at csr or if you have any problems, we stock over 450 pumps, bottom line.... they work thanks much, r d racing inc

[fastfaster]

we sell 40 to 50 csr pumps a week & ship this worldwide with 0 problems, david is great with tech help at csr or if you have any problems, we stock over 450 pumps, bottom line.... they work thanks much, r d racing inc

richiedd, the dd must stand for dumb and dumber. CSR IS JUNK. THEY SUCK. they bail out on you when thier garbage fails.

[ajk]

we sell 40 to 50 csr pumps a week & ship this worldwide with 0 problems, david is great with tech help at csr or if you have any problems, we stock over 450 pumps, bottom line.... they work thanks much, r d racing inc

richiedd, the dd must stand for dumb and dumber. CSR IS JUNK. THEY SUCK. they bail out on you when thier garbage fails.

I do not see where the " dumb and dumber" is nesassary over a water pump . State your opinion and let it be. Every one saw that you dont like CSR it was on at least 3 seperate posts. Guess there are many that fall in the dumb catagory including myself. Because i have a CSR that works great and also have had a Meziere that worked great.

[RDRACINGINC]

THANKS AJK, WOW WHAT A DICK HEAD THIS GUY IS, HE HAS NO CLUE WHO WE ARE & CANT READ VERY WELL, 1 YEAR WARRANTY THERE GREAT PUMPS

[hammertime]

CSR is so good, I called yesterday to send my leaky filler neck down. The answer back

" sorry we stopped fixing them and went to a threaded style"

I say ok what can I do with it then, as its leaking and is only a few years old.

"I can sell you a new one but thats it"


sounds like a real stand up company to me ...

[Scooterz]

I must say, I agree w/ Hammer on this. I work in manufacturing. If I have a dealer who needs me to take care of something, it is worth my time to do so... even if it is 1 or 2 years old. Reason: why piss off a customer/dealer for possibly LIFE if I do not take some kind of action??? Do the math, it's pretty easy. A defect is an OPPORTUNITY in the rough. Make it right, you just gained some genuine loyalty from more than one person. Now if you dig in your heals, say things like: "I can't do anything for you, it is too old" "It is normal wear & tear, I am sorry"... BLAH BLAH BLAH. Right is right. Wrong is wrong. Do you really think CSR will get the next sale from a guy who has a defective CSR pump?? of coarse not!!! that guy will buy someone else's pump & tell everyone how CSR does buisness... in the shop, at the garage, at the track, on the internet, etc.... not good when all CSR had to do was offer some help. How much would it have cost CSR??? worse case, cost on a new pump & they had a customer for life, who now promotes/advertises for CSR to all of his/her peers.

Think about what Hammer said: CSR admitted they changed part of the pump (which was undoubtedly inferior) & at the same time, CSR told him they would not back up their flawed design. (they are tired of fixing them) Oh, by the way.... you can buy our new one for full price. No thanks. JMO.

[johnracer]

Ever notice how some threads just refuse to die? I guess since this one of those, I'll throw my 2 cents worth out there:
First, I have had CSR pumps on three different engines of my own, and built several engines for other people with them over the past 15 years and have never had a problem. I'm sure, just like every other manufacturer out there, they've had some bad ones.
Second, if I had a component like a water pump, fuel pump, electronics, and the like that failed within a few months after purchase, I'd expect the manufacturer to take care of it. Most would. However, if it failed 2 years later, I wouldn't even consider calling them. I've used it for 2 years, how could it possibly be a manufacturing problem.........I'd just buy a new one, and not be a cry baby.
As far as any business kissing ass to keep a customer, that's crap! Good customers are just that. If they require constant stroking to keep them coming back, they aren't good customers and they'll go elsewhere if they don't get their way.....
Precisely the problem with our society, it's always someone else's fault, something for nothing, and someone has to pay and make me rich because I'm stupid........blah blah blah.
Grow up, accept responsibility for yourself and your actions, realize that accidents happen and shouldn't make anyone a millionair, and get over it...
Johnny

ps: I just fell off my soapbox and think I'll sue.....

[hammertime]

I surely wasnt wanting them to fix it for free... I was wanting to PAY them to fix the issue of it leaking. so yes I will be a cry baby about a product that was junk from the get go and they now finally admit it .. and refuse to even fix them...

I wish I had money like you to throw away every 2 years on parts (must be nice to be loaded) really whats wrong with the world is jerkoffs like you who'd rather take it in the rear then man up and say something to the company about a product you spent a few hundred dollars on that dont even last 2 yrs

I am done with this topic as anyone can see ... they did NOT want to fix THEIR prodouct ... and I quote "its a epoxy and we dont fix them because they will leak again but I'll send you a new one with a different design"

sounds like a company we should all spend money with ... :roll:

[johnracer]

I'm glad you were willing to pay and didn't expect it for free. Certainly didn't get that from your post. Many people aren't.
As far as being loaded goes, I wish! I'm just a regular guy with a regular job, a VERY understanding wife, no toys other than my race car, a small/1300 sq ft house, and a car that cost more than my annual salary. Many used/ebay/racingjunk parts on it, and good friends and I usually use parts till their about done. Roughly 60k in the whole deal.
Maybe I am a jerkoff for not being willing to "man up" about a parts failure after several years of use in am extreme environment. It just seems unreasonable to me. Maybe my expectations aren't high enough?
Who knows.
I deal with people every day who will blame that leaking pinion seal on me after I change the spark plugs and worse. After all, it wasn't doing that when they brought it in....... :roll: Yesterday was especially bad.
Sorry, I had a moment,
Johnny

[Scooterz]

Well guys... there is a balance to everything. Being in manufacturing (one of the few USA manufacturers left)... us companies need to take care of their customers. I strongly disagree John. Don't complain when you have less & less options to buy in the USA for parts on your car. Believe me, you don't have to "Kiss Ass" to any customers; they will just buy from a reverse engineered Chinese outlet instead; for half price. When this happens, you can blame our society/Americans for that too. After all, we are becoming a service industry here now more & more. Like I said, do the math genius.... take care of the customer now or suffer the consequences of your reputation ten-fold later!! The facts: 1. the pump was leaking (defective). 2. CSR said take a flying leap- buy a new one from us. 3. They admitted they were tired of fixing their own design flaw... these are the simple facts I read & that is my opinion. The fact that you had a bad day & are BUTT HURT that some customer blamed you for an unrelated issue is not even apples to apples of what is being discussed here.

I could care less if you do not share my opinion, but at least respect that everyone could see things a little differently than you.

[johnracer]

Fair enough....

[deward]

I hope you guys don't mind if I weigh in on this topic. Seems to me they could have offered a new pump at a discount and all parties would be satisfied.

[MEMRACING62]

I hope you guys don't mind if I weigh in on this topic. Seems to me they could have offered a new pump at a discount and all parties would be satisfied. X2.

[hammertime]

I hope you guys don't mind if I weigh in on this topic. Seems to me they could have offered a new pump at a discount and all parties would be satisfied.

to bad that wasnt offered

I was speaking of my csr filler neck also ...

my water pump is getting replaced next time it breaks, I wont even try it again.

[3dracing]

I just had a Manley timing chain break and it was 18 months old. I called them and tried to get them to replace it and the 11 valves it bent and the gaskets to fix it since the heads and intake had to come off and they just laughed. I guess that makes them junk also.

[Scooterz]

John, I sounded like a jerk to you... I am sorry. I am so tired of us giving our hard earned money overseas... makes me think the companies here in the USA should try harder to retain buisness & keep it here. I got this e-mail this morning. I like this concept:


Please read. This is important!!

One Light Bulb at a Time

A physics teacher in high school, once told the students that while one
grasshopper on the railroad tracks wouldn't slow a train very much, a
billion of them would. With that thought in mind, read the following,
obviously written by a good American . . .

Good idea .. . . One light bulb at a time . . .

Check this out. I can verify this because I was in Lowes the other day for
some reason and just for the heck of it I was looking at the hose
attachments. They were all made in China. The next day I was in Ace
Hardware and just for the heck of it I checked the hose attachments there.
They were made in USA. Start looking . . .

In our current economic situation, every little thing we buy or do
affect's someone else - even their job. So, after reading this email, I
think this lady is on the right track. Let's get behind her!

My grandson likes Hershey's candy. I noticed, though, that it is marked
made in Mexico now. I do not buy it any more.

My favorite toothpaste Colgate is made in Mexico . . . now I have switched
to Crest. You have to read the labels on everything. . .

This past weekend I was at Kroger. I needed 60W light bulbs and Bounce
dryer sheets. I was in the light bulb aisle, and right next to the GE
brand I normally buy was an off-brand labeled, "Everyday Value." I picked
up both types of bulbs and compared the stats - they were the same except
for the price.
The GE bulbs were more money than the Everyday Value brand but the thing
that surprised me the most was the fact that GE was made in MEXICO and the
Everyday Value brand was made in - get ready for this - the USA in a
company in Cleveland, Ohio.

So throw out the myth that you cannot find products you use everyday that
are made right here. . .

So on to another aisle - Bounce Dryer Sheets. Yep, you guessed it, Bounce
cost more money and is made in Canada. The Everyday Value brand was less
money and MADE IN THE USA! I did laundry yesterday and the dryer sheets
performed just like the Bounce Free I have been using for years and at
almost half the price!

My challenge to you is to start reading the labels when you shop for
everyday things and see what you can find that is made in the USA - the
job you save may be your own or your neighbors!

If you accept the challenge, pass this on to others in your address book
so we can all start buying American, one light bulb at a time! Stop buying
from overseas companies!

(We should have awakened a decade ago)
Let's get with the program and help our fellow Americans keep their jobs
and create more jobs here in the U. S. A.


I Passed this on........ Will you???????

[suicidebomb]

Good post scooter.....BRAVO!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^

[zipper06]

Not to change the focus on the pumps/filler necks. But about 6 mos. ago i noticed a puddle of oil under one of my generic coil over shocks, if i remember correctly they came with the 4 link system from Alston. I had purchased a set of QA1's for my prostreet Sonoma, but with 110 springs. I had not mounted the shocks yet, so i decide to use them on the Malibu (same length), but i had to order a set of 130 lb springs, imagine my surprise when i opened the box, the plastic bag the springs were packaged in had a label on each bag MADE IN CHINA. Now the original shocks and springs had been repackaged and didn't have these labels, go figure.

QA1's one of the most popular brand shocks around.

Zip.

[johnracer]

Rigsby, you have no reason to apologize to me. Everyone has as opinion.

I'm not butthurt at all and I believe that what I said does in fact apply in a way. Granted, it doesn't directly relate to CSR and their products, and I could have worded it a bit differently, but in my opinion, it applies to the current attitude of much of our countries population. It's kinda that Walmart attitude. Bitch and you'll get your way, right or wrong. Give'em what they want and they'll shut up. I just don't think it's right, that's all........it may be more profitable for businesses, but profit doesn't make it right. There is a difference between service and servitude.

For the record, I highly respect David's opinion on most things. I've asked for, recieved, and heeded his advice a few times. He's obviously an experienced racer that know's his stuff. However I don't always agree with him and don't expect anyone to agree with me.

I recieved the "One light bulb at a time" in an email a while back and did pass it on. Very cool idea....

On that note, I'm gonna shut the heck up, go out in the garage and work on my car. It doesn't expect any more that a steady diet of dead dinosaurs to make sweet music.

Johnny[/quote]

[Scooterz]

Yeah John, I get what you are saying. My theory is largely a mathematical & monetary based buisness principal. In the end, it is figured into the cost of doing buisness which is non-emotional & really not much like yesterdays loyalty. In the old days, people were different. So I do appreciate where you are coming from. On the manufacturing side, I think we have lost some pride too. There are warranties such as Snap On... it is life, quality is there, you will not hear "sorry, I can just sell you a new one at full price"... "just bend over for me real quick". Really you & I are complaining about a similar thing here. I think if a manufacturer makes something that potentially fails, they ought to stand behind it the same way they do their country. At my company, we put an American Flag on it & want you to know where it comes from. On the flip side, we make mistakes too. So- it comes down to how we address them. Sure can't please everyone, but do our best. I get disappointed when I hear of a USA manufacturer who lets down a dealer or consumer.... there are so few now. Scoot

[TheYellaBrick]

Well,boys and girls, It all boils down to a loss in American pride. When our 'president' is burning through OUR money to apologize to the rest of the 'world' for America's 'attitude', well the old saying " Tell a lie enough times and people will start believing it" takes effect.
America LIVES and PROSPERS because of American small businesses. Small businesses KNOW that how they handle consumer relations is what makes or breaks them. Unfortunately there ARE a few bad apples out there. They won't be around very much longer in an economic scene like we are in now.
Treat your customers as though your life depends on it......