Toyodas problems

[Pdmracing]

Man I hate the bad Karma of wishing ill will, but I just gotta say your true colors come out when it hits the fan.
If this was chevy or ford they would have allready shut them down.

My brother who is always telling me that the country is going to hell(he is a homicide cop so I give him some slack) but he always owns toyotas with the excuse of saying they are built in america.
I say so what, the parent is overseas & eventually thats where all the $$ end up. He says my cars are built in canada or mexico, I dont think thats the point, most of them are aseemble here & the companies are HQ right here.

you can buy whatever you want, its freedom of choice, & I have owned plenty of italian & german cars over the years, But in these times I make it a point to shop local & keep my hard earned $$ as close to home, but thats another topic entirely

What do you think

[slowmotion]

The news has be reporting that the part in question was made in an American factory. Did you hear the recall includes the Ponitac Vibe? If I may ask, What do you drive? I have a Chevy 2500hd and a Pontiac Aztek. Couldn't tell you where the truck came from. I think the Pontiac was built in Mexico.

If I understand you, you would buy a vehicle built overseas that is shipped here and had a big three emblem hung on it. Even though it only employs truck drivers that haul them to the dealers and salesmen.

You would NOT buy a vehicle with a "foreign" emblem that is made here. Even though it employed the contractors that built the plant, the people who build the cars, car shippers, parts shippers to the plant, factories that supply parts, salesmen, the local busnesses that the factory employees buy from, the power companies that supply power to run the factory, the water company, other utilites, raw material suppliers, and many more.

I have no interest in driving a "foreign" car. I live in a small town and it would be 45 min drive to get it serviced by a dealer. Parts are harder to get here also.

Ever park a Ford Ranger next to a Mazda pickup? They are the same vehicle. Just like a Vibe and a Matrix I believe.

My brother works in a repair shop. A guy came in there making a big deal about buying American made tires. That is a good thing to do. It keeps Americans working. BUT my brother got tired of his rant and asked him, Why make a big deal about the tires when you are driving a foreign car? He said "I'm not it's American, It's Pontiac" My brother took the guy outside, popped the hood and showed him where it was made. It might say made by Toyota, I'm not sure on that. Needless to say the guy was pissed that his salesman didn't tell him. i say it's his fault for not doing a little research before making a big purchase.

[cepx111]

I agree with the author of this post, I hope this mess bites toyota in the a$$.

Hungry? Eat your import.

[gnsrule]

Unfortunatly, even if it mess w/ toyotas financial status, we'll prolly still bail them out like we did w/ GM and Chrysler. America is all fricked up, we help every poor soul in every corner of the globe while we have our own economic troubles. This chit aint right.

Craig

[dragonmaster093]

i dont feel for toyota as a whole but i do feel for all the plants and parts suppliers in the USA that is keeping people employed. unfortunatly its a2 headed sword cause most money spent goes over seas but also pay Americans

[slowmotion]

I agree with the author of this post, I hope this mess bites toyota in the a$$.

Hungry? Eat your import.

I'm not saying I don't agree to some extent. It's just you have to be careful what you call an import. Would it be better to buy a Toyota Camry or a Chevy Aveo?

http://www.howtobuyamerican.com/content/db/b-db-autos.shtml


When you say you hopes it bites Toyota, Do you think they should in turn shut down the AMERICAN factory that made the defective parts?

I'm playing devil's advocate here. I'd never own a Toyota, Honda(car), Nissan or whatever.

I notice nobody is posting what they drive.
2003 Chevy 2500HD
2004 Pontiac Aztek
1994 GMC Sonoma
Motorcycles
2003 Honda VTX1800c
2001 Yamaha TTR225
2001 Yamaha PW80
2005 Honda 250 Recon 4 Wheeler

[dragonmaster093]

own
93 buick shylark (inprocess of selling)
86 ford f150 ext cab (what we drive now selling towards middle of march)
77 monte carlo (in storage for winter)

[slowmotion]

i dont feel for toyota as a whole but i do feel for all the plants and parts suppliers in the USA that is keeping people employed. unfortunatly its a2 headed sword cause most money spent goes over seas but also pay Americans

That's what I'm saying.

own
93 buick shylark (inprocess of selling)
86 ford f150 ext cab (what we drive now selling towards middle of march)
77 monte carlo (in storage for winter)

I'd say those are most likely American made. Did you decide not to sell the Monte?

[dragonmaster093]

its up but no serious inquiries so when i move im gonna grag it across country theneither part it out or fix and sell

[TheYellaBrick]

72 Dodge D100 pickup, shop truck
76 Chrysler Cordoba, race car
77 Dodge C-class Motor Home
78 Dodge Challenger (Mitzubushi Mopar) race car, now more Mopar than not
94 Chev Astro van, service van
05 Toyota Corolla, wife's car

[Harbone]

2003 Dodge Durango
2005 Dodge Neon
2000 Polaris Explorer
1997 Dodge ram 4X4
1988 Winnebago Chieftain
1967 Camaro

[Tod74]

People crack me up that make a huge deal out of "made in AMERICA" I agree that is the way to go...but you have no idea where some of your "made in usa" stuff was actually made. Companies can outsource and buy parts from China,repack them and stamp "MADE IN USA" on them as long as something is done to them here. FACT.
I have done it. Not me personally but the company I worked for.

[TheYellaBrick]

The days of mass produced 100% made in America cars is long gone. :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

[Pdmracing]

Ford F250 XLT
Chevy Ssr
Dodge Viper GTS
Chrysler SRT8
Chevy Monza Back half

[slowmotion]

05 Toyota Corolla, wife's car

So it's YOUR fault. :D

[dragonmaster093]

heck used to have mid 80's nova pop the hood and said toyota worst part was parts were more expensive then its twin the carolla because engine was toyota and electical was croosbread chevy/yota was biggest pos i had

[Pdmracing]

i dont feel for toyota as a whole but i do feel for all the plants and parts suppliers in the USA that is keeping people employed. unfortunatly its a2 headed sword cause most money spent goes over seas but also pay Americans

I agree with your post, its really the arrogance of their actions that got me roiled,
When Chrysler was raped by benz, & left to flounder, all you heard was how bad the product was, & what a high quality piece Toyota was in comparison. Its still that way, but it seems public sentiment is changing twoards them.

You heard nothing on how the wall street @#$#$$# took a equity rich almost debt free company, Chrysler, sold it to Benz, who leveraged all the assets to the max, then takes the money & dump the shell of a company to some hedge fund, who then strips whatever is left & leaves the taxpayers with the bill.

(you have to understand that loan proceeds are not taxable as income, these corporate raiders looked for companies with low debt, borrow the max then dump them for a loss against profits & take the huge write downs even though they borrowed billions & leave the company with huge debt service, who cant possible pay the nut. And with such high debt there is nothing left for development of new products so sales tank. Sounds like a Sopranos episode, but thats how it works)

[slowmotion]

When Chrysler was raped by benz, & left to flounder, all you heard was how bad the product was, & what a high quality piece Toyota was in comparison. Its still that way, but it seems public sentiment is changing twoards them.

That's why I gave up reading "Car and Driver" and "Motortrend" type magazines years ago. I was tired of imports are gold, American made cars are crap in every issue.

[TheYellaBrick]

You'll notice that because Ford didn't hold out THEIR hands for a 'bailout' that their profits are for real and they can do whatever they want without 'government approval'.
I'll bet the other 'big two' are experiencing 'bailout remorse',.......at least those that are left that gives a rats azz about brand/country loyalty...... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Pdmracing]

You'll notice that because Ford didn't hold out THEIR hands for a 'bailout' that their profits are for real and they can do whatever they want without 'government approval'.
I'll bet the other 'big two' are experiencing 'bailout remorse',.......at least those that are left that gives a rats azz about brand/country loyalty...... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

ironicly, what ended up saving Ford , was sort of what happened to Chrysler, EXCEPT, instead of corporate raiders pocketing the cash, Ford kept it for the company.

What Mullaly did, was leverage all the corporate assets to raise cash, he borrowed as much as they could get, raising enough cash, while the banks were still lending, to weather the storm. This was done before they cut off all lending. Brilliant.

Understand Ford was slipping into the abyss all by itself, before the great recession. Their stock was worthless. But the master stroke was borrowing all the cash BEFORE some hedge fund took it over & did the same, but filling their own pockets instead of the companies.

Chrysler at the time of the Benz merger of equals
(equal scumbags CEO's that is) was in much better shape than Ford,The 300 was the car to have & sales of everything was great. The difference is the equity was stripped by outsiders for themselves, not the company itself. Chrysler had no chance without a bailout, they were left with massive debt & had nothing to sell but trucks. Its a shame how we let that happen.

I work in the financial world for the last 30 years, if you think this behavior has been corrected, you are sadly mistaken.

While the banking & Wallstreet Giants keep the masses occupied with petty infighting, The ROBBER BARONS that created this mess are cleaning up the spoils with hardly a regulation passed to stop this from happening again. Believe me when I tell you, they are raking in the cash while the rest of eat S#$%.

Ill get off the soapbox now. Back to finishing my valve job!

[TheYellaBrick]

PDM,
This is all good info for us all in 'understanding' what's happened and is going to happen. It is all so complicated and convoluted that the 'masses' cannot even fathom nor grasp it all. The bad guys are doing something out in the open with one hand while the other is behind their back doing something even more sinister.

[cepx111]

I agree with the author of this post, I hope this mess bites toyota in the a$$.

Hungry? Eat your import.

I'm not saying I don't agree to some extent. It's just you have to be careful what you call an import. Would it be better to buy a Toyota Camry or a Chevy Aveo?

http://www.howtobuyamerican.com/content/db/b-db-autos.shtml


When you say you hopes it bites Toyota, Do you think they should in turn shut down the AMERICAN factory that made the defective parts?

I'm playing devil's advocate here. I'd never own a Toyota, Honda(car), Nissan or whatever.

I notice nobody is posting what they drive.
2003 Chevy 2500HD
2004 Pontiac Aztek
1994 GMC Sonoma
Motorcycles
2003 Honda VTX1800c
2001 Yamaha TTR225
2001 Yamaha PW80
2005 Honda 250 Recon 4 Wheeler

Well since your scrutinizing what cars everybody is driving.

95 lincoln towncar
95 chevy suburban
89 mustang GT
69 camaro

So, let me get this straight, you personally wont buy/support a toyota, honda or nissan car, but a honda or yamaha motorcycle is ok? Whats the difference?

[slowmotion]

I agree with the author of this post, I hope this mess bites toyota in the a$$.

Hungry? Eat your import.

I'm not saying I don't agree to some extent. It's just you have to be careful what you call an import. Would it be better to buy a Toyota Camry or a Chevy Aveo?

http://www.howtobuyamerican.com/content/db/b-db-autos.shtml


When you say you hopes it bites Toyota, Do you think they should in turn shut down the AMERICAN factory that made the defective parts?

I'm playing devil's advocate here. I'd never own a Toyota, Honda(car), Nissan or whatever.

I notice nobody is posting what they drive.
2003 Chevy 2500HD
2004 Pontiac Aztek
1994 GMC Sonoma
Motorcycles
2003 Honda VTX1800c
2001 Yamaha TTR225
2001 Yamaha PW80
2005 Honda 250 Recon 4 Wheeler

Well since your scrutinizing what cars everybody is driving.

95 lincoln towncar
95 chevy suburban
89 mustang GT
69 camaro

So, let me get this straight, you personally wont buy/support a toyota, honda or nissan car, but a honda or yamaha motorcycle is ok? Whats the difference?

The main reasons I wouldn't buy the "import" brand cars is that I don't think they are any better in quality that the "American" brands. Part availabilty and service is an issue in my area. There are no dealers within a 45 minute drive.

I don't have a problem with buyin the "Import" motorcyles because the There isn't an American manufacturer that can supply what I want.

Harley doesn't make dirtbikes or 4 wheelers. I've heard they can't even put "American Made" on their bikes any more. They say "Union made".

My Honda VTX1800 is built in Marysville, OH I looked into buying a HD before I bought it. The HD dealers in the St. Louis area were $2000+ over HD's MSRP. I wasn't paying $17,000 for a bike that the manufacturer said was only worth $15,000. Since then (2004) the dealers have come down to MSRP or lower on their bikes. I'm not in the market for a big cruiser any more. Not to mention HD doesn't make a 1800cc, water cooled, shaft drive bike.

I'm thinking about replacing it with a Kawasaki KLR650. It's a dual purpose bike. Once again there isn't a American equivilant to the bike.

If there is, there is not a dealer near me. Once again parts and service play a big part in what I buy.

My dad owns a car repair shop. He has people get angry when he refuses to work on their import. He works on some brands and does minor work on others. He just can't get parts in a reasonable amount of time. They are angry because nobody else in town will work on them either. They have to take back to a dealer for service. He says "You should've thought about that before you bought it".


Well since your scrutinizing what cars everybody is driving.


I wasn't scrutinizing. I was just wanting to see if some of the people who say "Buy American" (which I believe in doing when you have a choice) were driving imports disguised as American made cars.

My dad gets it in he repair shop all the time. Years ago, his uncle came into the shop with a little Dodge Ram. He took it right back to the dealer when my dad showed him the Mitsubishi info or logo under the hood.

I posted earlier about the guy with the Pontiac Vibe insisting on American made tires. He had no idea is car was basically a Toyota product.

A woman was in the shop bragging about a new American made car she had just bought. Again it was an import with a domestic badge.

These are a few instances of many.

The common response is "The salesman didn't tell me this was an import".

[TheYellaBrick]

The common response is "The salesman didn't tell me this was an import".

THAT is a PRIME example of people NOT taking responsibility for their own actions. Blame it on 'the Salesman'............. Ask questions BEFORE you buy !!!!
Let the government decide FOR me....waaa---waaaa-waaaaaaaaaaa

[lively]

the GOVERNMENT knows best!!!!!!!!!!that is sick :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

AND VOTERS REALLY BELIEVE THAT CRAP LOL LOL
LIVELY :lol: :lol:

[dragonmaster093]

toyota ads more cars with "wandering steering" and now honda has some on list for airbags that deploy with to much force and ruptures the air bag

[slowmotion]

http://www.allworldauto.com/recalls/

Car Manufacturers with the Most Recalls (all time)
FORD (5,039)
CHEVROLET (4,300)
GMC (2,816)
DODGE (2,546)
VOLVO (1,384)
BMW (1,165)
HONDA (1,043)
PONTIAC (961)
JEEP (771)
TOYOTA (752)
PLYMOUTH (736)
VOLKSWAGEN (723)
NISSAN (702)
MERCURY (696)
CHRYSLER (684)
BUICK (672)
MERCEDES BENZ (608)
OLDSMOBILE (590)
MITSUBISHI (487)
CADILLAC (409)
MAZDA (405)
AUDI (391)
HYUNDAI (313)
LINCOLN (305)
TRIUMPH (300)

[TheYellaBrick]

Hey Slo,
What is the percentage to numbers actually produced ? The more made, the more recalls ?

[slowmotion]

Hey Slo,
What is the percentage to numbers actually produced ? The more made, the more recalls ?

I don't know the percentage. I was thinking the same thing. The cars with the lowest recalls are like Yugo and others that weren't in production long.

[Scooterz]

Hey Slo,
What is the percentage to numbers actually produced ? The more made, the more recalls ?

I don't know the percentage. I was thinking the same thing. The cars with the lowest recalls are like Yugo and others that weren't in production long.

Slo-mo:

I see zero Fiat's on the list. That is good for you. You should be go to go for a long time brutha. Scoot

[slowmotion]

Not recalls but percentage of complaints

http://www.edmunds.com/help/about/press/161506/article.html

[cepx111]

http://www.allworldauto.com/recalls/

Car Manufacturers with the Most Recalls (all time)
FORD (5,039)
CHEVROLET (4,300)
GMC (2,816)
DODGE (2,546)
VOLVO (1,384)
BMW (1,165)
HONDA (1,043)
PONTIAC (961)
JEEP (771)
TOYOTA (752)
PLYMOUTH (736)
VOLKSWAGEN (723)
NISSAN (702)
MERCURY (696)
CHRYSLER (684)
BUICK (672)
MERCEDES BENZ (608)
OLDSMOBILE (590)
MITSUBISHI (487)
CADILLAC (409)
MAZDA (405)
AUDI (391)
HYUNDAI (313)
LINCOLN (305)
TRIUMPH (300)

Nice seeing Lincolns, Cadillacs & Oldsmobiles near the bottom of the list, all of them have produced a good number of vehicles over the years.

Now thats proof positive that better quality control can add to the equation.


Cp

[THERATTLER]

read this morning where corolas are having steering recall,,,toyotas seem to be falling apart

[Harbone]

I have 8 franchises at the dealership where I work. Toyota has always been our #1 seller the last 10+ years. its hurtin them now, we usually sell on average 100+ toyota's a month, we are almost 3/4 of the way through February and they have sold 7! Now the sales managers for Kia, Hyundai, Mazda, Mitsubishi, VW, etc are loving it cause there sales are going through the roof!

[THERATTLER]

my wife drives a toyota and they could recall the whole car and she would not care ...her car was made in japan (fjcruiser) imported model , she loves toyota

[wvhippie]

2002 Ford F-150
2003 Chevy Trailblazer
65 Pontiac GTO
67 Chevy II
70 Chevy Chevelle
75 Chevy Camaro
76 Chevy Vega
2008 Harley Daviason Street Glide

I owened a 2000 Toyota Tacoma. Worst ride I ever had. Bought it for fuel economy and it drank gas like a wino drinks Mad Dog. I had a Renault Le Car one time ran forever couldnt make it quit.