**DO NOT BUY FROM KENTUCKY SPEED & PERFORMANCE**

[TwinFoggerSBC]

You guys are crooks Dwight, thats the bottomline. Where is the $3320 that I sent you, that you deposited into your bank acct and stole before Paypal was able to take it from you? Did you send the parts you were paid for refund the money? The answer to both questions is NO. Did you guys or did you guys NOT deposit the money into your bank acct and not refund or send the parts you were paid for. The 1st time I made a purchase from you guys, it was an Instant Transfer....which was done thru a bank acct so please stop the lies. 2nd of all, had I "Scammed" you guys before as you said, why on earth would you sale anything else to me? LOL you guys are crooks and youre trying to save face but the bottomline is...anyone who is smart can see that I sent you guys $3320 and you deposited into your bank acct and has never sent a refund or the parts you were paid for. Whats so hard to understand here? If you guys decided not to do the transaction, why did you deposit the money into your bank acct whether than refunding it? LOL youre a crook Dwight. The facts are clear, and I wont stop until everyone knows it.

Hello Jacob Harper,

After careful review, we have concluded our investigation of the Buyer
Complaint described below.

We have decided in your favor, however, we were unable to recover any funds
from the seller's account. As stated in the PayPal User Agreement, recovery
of funds associated with a Buyer Complaint cannot be guaranteed.

Please know that we will make our best effort to recover the funds in
question if they become available in the seller's account in the future and
will take appropriate action against the seller. Such action may include
issuing a warning, a temporary restriction, or terminating the account.
Keep in mind that PayPal uses a number of factors to determine when to take
action, including member complaints. Due to privacy laws, we cannot discuss
the details of any action taken. We hope you understand our policy and that
it assures you that you are safe using PayPal.


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Transaction Details
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Seller's Name: Ketucky Speed & Performance, LLC
Seller's Email: [email protected]
Seller's Transaction ID: 58V43533SC866350C

Transaction Date: Jun 1, 2009
Transaction Amount: -$3,320.00 USD
Your Transaction ID: 21V662725K513211V
Case Number: PP-718-326-974

Buyer's Transaction ID: 21V662725K513211V

[Tod74]

There is a guy on Yellowbullet that goes by TwinFoggerSBC and that dude is a crook and has scammed many people...I am going out on a limb and guessing this is you...if SO you have no right to complain AT ALL! If it isn't you,and someone else just happens to have the same exact screen name then I apologize....and suggest you pick another name.

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=150518&highlight=TwinFoggerSBC

[mopar1968]

How many threads do we need on the same subject :?: :?: :?:




''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

[Harbone]

Alot obviously!!! plus he copies and pastes the same damn post every time!!! :roll:

[hollowayshotrods]

I'm waiting for him to answer Tods :?: .

There is a guy on Yellowbullet that goes by TwinFoggerSBC and that dude is a crook and has scammed many people...I am going out on a limb and guessing this is you...if SO you have no right to complain AT ALL! If it isn't you,and someone else just happens to have the same exact screen name then I apologize....and suggest you pick another name.

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=150518&highlight=TwinFoggerSBC

[Harbone]

I'm waiting for him to answer Tods :?: .

There is a guy on Yellowbullet that goes by TwinFoggerSBC and that dude is a crook and has scammed many people...I am going out on a limb and guessing this is you...if SO you have no right to complain AT ALL! If it isn't you,and someone else just happens to have the same exact screen name then I apologize....and suggest you pick another name.

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=150518&highlight=TwinFoggerSBC

so I am, seems he has a pretty bad rep over there from the few post I read...

[suicidebomb]

It looks like he has a hundred and some pages of "pretty bad rep" over there. :lol:

[mopar1968]

Hmmmm the plot thicken's :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:




''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

[kyspeedparts]

Like I said in one of the other threads, I don't want or need any bad publicity, but I am stading my ground on this. I have asked for proof and havn't recieved anything. If I am wrong, I will make it right. As for him saying why I sold to him the first time if I thought it was a scam, it was because we called and verified with PayPal that if this was indeed a scam, that we would be covered by following the right steps. It looks as though you are a bigger scammer than you ever thought I was. There are over 100 pages about you scamming people on YellowBullet. Care to elaborate??? I appreciate all the help everyone has been giving me with this. Thanks, Dwight.

[Harbone]

Dwight, it was good of you to come on here and defend yourself. from what I can tell this kids a loser, there is a 120 page post on him at YB!! what a joke!

[mopar1968]

Chris i agree, The loser has showed his true colors, Dwight welcome here anytime :!: :!: As for the loser bye bye :!: :!:




''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

[kyspeedparts]

I appreciate the support Chris & Mopar1968. If I/Kentucky Speed & Performance have done something wrong, we would sure as hell try and make it right. I felt like this guy was a scammer from the beginning when I asked him for proof. I didn't know he had such a bad wrap on YellowBullet. It looks like he's cut his own throat. Thanks again for the support. Dwight.

[Harbone]

here is some more...

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=151563

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=143563
Jacob Harper, from Dallas TX,
on 5/13 sent $150 for wheelie bars, he acknowledges on5/19, say he'll send them right away, then a week later 5/26 says truck was stolen along with bars. I give him a week and ask him to return the $$$, 6/4 he says he sent money and I should have it, NOT!, I email him, he says "at the absolute latest, should be there today" that was 6/8, I again email and he get shitty, and says I sent it, today 6/12, no $$$, I again email and ask him to send a trace on money order, he again get shitty,
so .. monday I will file fraud charges with post office, lets see how shitty he gets with federal agents,
MY OPINION, HE'S A THIEF!!!!!!!!

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=150518

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[TwinFoggerSBC]

$150 are you fucking kidding me? LOL. Its idiots like Dwight who steal from people who makes it hard for others. The guy with the $150 has gotten his money back but where are the others that was supposedly scam by me? I'll answer that for you dumbasses. There aren't any, if their are. Post up, I'd love to hear it. Crickets I hear? The fact is, Dwight and Kentucky Speed and Performance was sent $3320. They put the money into their bank acct and stole it before Paypal was able to take it. He's on record as saying he has the money but never sent the parts or the refund. What else do you idiots need? I'll make sure he loses business and that his business crumbles. I don't care about about the money, because I've paid the guys who gave me $$ for an Ignition Box. So the money I have counted as a lost but I'm destorying this crook and his business. Go look at his feedback on eBay and here, it speaks for itself. He's a crook. There wasn't any problems with the 1st order, and he knows it. He has no proof either, me on the other hand has posted proof that he stole $3320. He wouldn't have ever done business with me the 2nd time if anything went wrong the 1st time. Any semi-intelligent guy can understand that, which some of you aren't obviously. LOL but the facts are clear here.....

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Dwight where is the $3320? Quick questions. Were you sent $3320 and did you receieve it with no problems and deposit the money into your bank acct? Yes or No....did YOU send the parts you were paid for or refund the money? Yes or No....simple questions...simple answers...

[Harbone]

$150 are you fkg kidding me? LOL. Its idiots like Dwight who steal from people who makes it hard for others. The guy with the $150 has gotten his money back but where are the others that was supposedly scam by me? I'll answer that for you dumbasses. There aren't any, if their are. Post up, I'd love to hear it. Crickets I hear? The fact is, Dwight and Kentucky Speed and Performance was sent $3320. They put the money into their bank acct and stole it before Paypal was able to take it. He's on record as saying he has the money but never sent the parts or the refund. What else do you idiots need? I'll make sure he loses business and that his business crumbles. I don't care about about the money, because I've paid the guys who gave me $$ for an Ignition Box. So the money I have counted as a lost but I'm destorying this crook and his business. Go look at his feedback on eBay and here, it speaks for itself. He's a crook. There wasn't any problems with the 1st order, and he knows it. He has no proof either, me on the other hand has posted proof that he stole $3320. He wouldn't have ever done business with me the 2nd time if anything went wrong the 1st time. Any semi-intelligent guy can understand that, which some of you aren't obviously. LOL but the facts are clear here.....

why dont you go back to YB, they seem to love you over there?!?!?!?!?

[mopar1968]

Sound's like another ''Littlerod'' nothing but hot air and excuses :!: Like Chris said go back to YB they need you there with you here they have nothing to amuse them like you can amuse people :!: :!: They need topics to chat about and it seem's like to me you are their No#1 topic :!: :!:



''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

[TwinFoggerSBC]

I'm on YB every day given them idiots hell.....for being wrong. The facts are clear and I'll make sure this thread stays alive and I make sure Kentucky Speed and Performance loses business.

[Harbone]

you wont last long here, this isnt YB and we aint a bunch of dumbass's... :twisted:

[kyspeedparts]

Dwight where is the $3320? Quick questions. Were you sent $3320 and did you receieve it with no problems and deposit the money into your bank acct? Yes or No....did YOU send the parts you were paid for or refund the money? Yes or No....simple questions...simple answers...

I don't think that your being rude to people is helping your situation. I don't have anything to hide. As far as my feedback on eBay goes, we had over 1700 positive feedbacks with 1 negetive feedback up until May of last year when my father got sick. My father has sinced passed away. We have closed our store and there were several items that did not get shipped and we had several pissed off customers. The only reason it was closed was because I couldn't keep up with it and we sure as hell weren't making much money at it. ALL of them have either been refunded or have recieved parts since. I could have stiffed them, but chose to do the right thing. Yes, you did pay for those boxes through PayPal, and yes the money was deposited into our account along with about 1300.00 more. PayPal in turn, deducted the money from our account because of the dispute you did with your credit card company or your bank. I talked with PayPal 6-8 months ago about this. We did choose not to do business with you the second time, that's why we would have been screwed if we had sent the boxes. You had one intention and one intention only....TO SCREW US. I have requested some very simple things from you to resolve this and you are the one "beating around the bush". If I owe you money and you want paid, then get me what I have asked for, period! There is over 100 pages about how you have screwed over more than one person on www.yellowbullet.com. I'm with Chris, go back to YB, LOOKS LIKE THEY REALLY LOVE YOUR THERE!!!

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Address the facts and the proof that's been posted Dwight. You're a crook....your feedback here and eBay proves it. Where's your proof? You were paid...and stole the money. This place has nothing on YB an I came out on top there, LOL. I can handle my own. I assure you

[kyspeedparts]

I'm on YB every day given them idiots hell.....for being wrong. The facts are clear and I'll make sure this thread stays alive and I make sure Kentucky Speed and Performance loses business.

So I guess everything said on YB about you is a lie and your just mis-understood? I don't think so.

[mopar1968]

Hey Dwight let's let this a$$clown just burnout like the rest, All the scammers just like this one goes bye bye, Like Chris said this isn't YB we know how to handle scammers like you :!: :!: Hey Dwight you might want to check with the police up there he might be charged with attempted fraud :!: :!:



''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

[kyspeedparts]

Mopart1968...Sounds good to me!

[TwinFoggerSBC]

I'm on YB every day given them idiots hell.....for being wrong. The facts are clear and I'll make sure this thread stays alive and I make sure Kentucky Speed and Performance loses business.

So I guess everything said on YB about you is a lie and your just mis-understood? I don't think so.

Everything like what? That I owed someone $150 and he has received his $150? I made things right, go ask the guy if I owe him. He will tell you no, now what about you and the $3320 you stole? You put it into your bank acct and never refunded or sent what you were paid for. Whats hard to understand?

[Harbone]

I'm on YB every day given them idiots hell.....for being wrong. The facts are clear and I'll make sure this thread stays alive and I make sure Kentucky Speed and Performance loses business.

So I guess everything said on YB about you is a lie and your just mis-understood? I don't think so.

Everything like what? That I owed someone $150 and he has received his $150? I made things right, go ask the guy if I owe him. He will tell you no, now what about you and the $3320 you stole? You put it into your bank acct and never refunded or sent what you were paid for. Whats hard to understand?

So have you provided him with what he has asked for?

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Dwight where is the $3320? Quick questions. Were you sent $3320 and did you receieve it with no problems and deposit the money into your bank acct? Yes or No....did YOU send the parts you were paid for or refund the money? Yes or No....simple questions...simple answers...

I don't think that your being rude to people is helping your situation. I don't have anything to hide. As far as my feedback on eBay goes, we had over 1700 positive feedbacks with 1 negetive feedback up until May of last year when my father got sick. My father has sinced passed away. We have closed our store and there were several items that did not get shipped and we had several pissed off customers. The only reason it was closed was because I couldn't keep up with it and we sure as hell weren't making much money at it. ALL of them have either been refunded or have recieved parts since. I could have stiffed them, but chose to do the right thing. Yes, you did pay for those boxes through PayPal, and yes the money was deposited into our account along with about 1300.00 more. PayPal in turn, deducted the money from our account because of the dispute you did with your credit card company or your bank. I talked with PayPal 6-8 months ago about this. We did choose not to do business with you the second time, that's why we would have been screwed if we had sent the boxes. You had one intention and one intention only....TO SCREW US. I have requested some very simple things from you to resolve this and you are the one "beating around the bush". If I owe you money and you want paid, then get me what I have asked for, period! There is over 100 pages about how you have screwed over more than one person on www.yellowbullet.com. I'm with Chris, go back to YB, LOOKS LIKE THEY REALLY LOVE YOUR THERE!!!

I am not on the internet looking for friends Dwight. I do not need the internet, you do remember that. The fact is, you keep making excuses and not providng any facts or proof while I have showed facts and provided proof. If Paypal took the money from your acct, then explain this which is from the email I received from Paypal.

Hello Jacob Harper,

After careful review, we have concluded our investigation of the Buyer
Complaint described below.

We have decided in your favor, however, we were unable to recover any funds
from the seller's account. As stated in the PayPal User Agreement, recovery
of funds associated with a Buyer Complaint cannot be guaranteed.

Please know that we will make our best effort to recover the funds in
question if they become available in the seller's account in the future and
will take appropriate action against the seller. Such action may include
issuing a warning, a temporary restriction, or terminating the account.
Keep in mind that PayPal uses a number of factors to determine when to take
action, including member complaints. Due to privacy laws, we cannot discuss
the details of any action taken. We hope you understand our policy and that
it assures you that you are safe using PayPal.


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Transaction Details
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Seller's Name: Ketucky Speed & Performance, LLC
Seller's Email: [email protected]
Seller's Transaction ID: 58V43533SC866350C

Transaction Date: Jun 1, 2009
Transaction Amount: -$3,320.00 USD
Your Transaction ID: 21V662725K513211V
Case Number: PP-718-326-974

Buyer's Transaction ID: 21V662725K513211V

So who is the liar here, you are Paypal. You have just been caught in a lie, do you really want to continue with this BS of yours or come clean Dwight? Explain please....how can Paypal take money out of your acct? When they had already told me that you took all the money from your acct. Stop with the BS and lies. If you chose not to do business with me why did you discuss buying the boxes with me and we go back and forth for about a week before you were paid? You keep on with the lies, lets cut the crap Dwight. Youre a liar and a crook, and I wont stop until everyone knows it and your business crumbles. Youre a thief and a scammer, the proof is here. There is others in this section who has said the same thing about Kentucky Speed and Performance. This is about you, and the facts are simple here. You were sent $3320 and you put it into your acct and never refunded or sent the parts you were paid for. Its that simple, that means youre a crook. The 1st time I bought anything from you, it was thru an Instant transfer which was debited from my bank acct, it wasnt thru a credit card transaction. Wheres any of your proof, we still havent seen it. I showed proof that I paid you and you stole the money and never sent the parts or refunded the money. You are on record as saying such....youre a crook. I need to start some ads with your same titles along with crooks so when people do a search they see my ads explaining the facts. I assure you, you stole from the wrong person Dwight.

[Harbone]

Dwight where is the $3320? Quick questions. Were you sent $3320 and did you receieve it with no problems and deposit the money into your bank acct? Yes or No....did YOU send the parts you were paid for or refund the money? Yes or No....simple questions...simple answers...

I don't think that your being rude to people is helping your situation. I don't have anything to hide. As far as my feedback on eBay goes, we had over 1700 positive feedbacks with 1 negetive feedback up until May of last year when my father got sick. My father has sinced passed away. We have closed our store and there were several items that did not get shipped and we had several pissed off customers. The only reason it was closed was because I couldn't keep up with it and we sure as hell weren't making much money at it. ALL of them have either been refunded or have recieved parts since. I could have stiffed them, but chose to do the right thing. Yes, you did pay for those boxes through PayPal, and yes the money was deposited into our account along with about 1300.00 more. PayPal in turn, deducted the money from our account because of the dispute you did with your credit card company or your bank. I talked with PayPal 6-8 months ago about this. We did choose not to do business with you the second time, that's why we would have been screwed if we had sent the boxes. You had one intention and one intention only....TO SCREW US. I have requested some very simple things from you to resolve this and you are the one "beating around the bush". If I owe you money and you want paid, then get me what I have asked for, period! There is over 100 pages about how you have screwed over more than one person on www.yellowbullet.com. I'm with Chris, go back to YB, LOOKS LIKE THEY REALLY LOVE YOUR THERE!!!

I am not on the internet looking for friends Dwight. I do not need the internet, you do remember that. The fact is, you keep making excuses and not providng any facts or proof while I have showed facts and provided proof. If Paypal took the money from your acct, then explain this which is from the email I received from Paypal.

Hello Jacob Harper,

After careful review, we have concluded our investigation of the Buyer
Complaint described below.

We have decided in your favor, however, we were unable to recover any funds
from the seller's account. As stated in the PayPal User Agreement, recovery
of funds associated with a Buyer Complaint cannot be guaranteed.

Please know that we will make our best effort to recover the funds in
question if they become available in the seller's account in the future and
will take appropriate action against the seller. Such action may include
issuing a warning, a temporary restriction, or terminating the account.
Keep in mind that PayPal uses a number of factors to determine when to take
action, including member complaints. Due to privacy laws, we cannot discuss
the details of any action taken. We hope you understand our policy and that
it assures you that you are safe using PayPal.


-----------------------------------
Transaction Details
-----------------------------------


Seller's Name: Ketucky Speed & Performance, LLC
Seller's Email: [email protected]
Seller's Transaction ID: 58V43533SC866350C

Transaction Date: Jun 1, 2009
Transaction Amount: -$3,320.00 USD
Your Transaction ID: 21V662725K513211V
Case Number: PP-718-326-974

Buyer's Transaction ID: 21V662725K513211V

So who is the liar here, you are Paypal. You have just been caught in a lie, do you really want to continue with this BS of yours or come clean Dwight? Explain please....how can Paypal take money out of your acct? When they had already told me that you took all the money from your acct. Stop with the BS and lies. If you chose not to do business with me why did you discuss buying the boxes with me and we go back and forth for about a week before you were paid? You keep on with the lies, lets cut the crap Dwight. Youre a liar and a crook, and I wont stop until everyone knows it and your business crumbles. Youre a thief and a scammer, the proof is here. There is others in this section who has said the same thing about Kentucky Speed and Performance. This is about you, and the facts are simple here. You were sent $3320 and you put it into your acct and never refunded or sent the parts you were paid for. Its that simple, that means youre a crook. The 1st time I bought anything from you, it was thru an Instant transfer which was debited from my bank acct, it wasnt thru a credit card transaction. Wheres any of your proof, we still havent seen it. I showed proof that I paid you and you stole the money and never sent the parts or refunded the money. You are on record as saying such....youre a crook. I need to start some ads with your same titles along with crooks so when people do a search they see my ads explaining the facts. I assure you, you stole from the wrong person Dwight.

all that proves nothing! hard evidence isnt a copy and pasted email! you will get better results by backing off on the attitude, we like to help people but you came in guns a blazing and then it turns out you are no angel according to another website. by the way, post up some of those fake adds on RJ and see how fast you get kicked off, again this isnt YB.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

I'm on YB every day given them idiots hell.....for being wrong. The facts are clear and I'll make sure this thread stays alive and I make sure Kentucky Speed and Performance loses business.

So I guess everything said on YB about you is a lie and your just mis-understood? I don't think so.

Everything like what? That I owed someone $150 and he has received his $150? I made things right, go ask the guy if I owe him. He will tell you no, now what about you and the $3320 you stole? You put it into your bank acct and never refunded or sent what you were paid for. Whats hard to understand?

So have you provided him with what he has asked for?

He is a crook and a thief genius. There's no working with him. He knows what happened. He knows that my Bank called me before they would release the funds to Paypal(and Paypal called and emailed me too) so that I could verify that it was me who made the transaction before they released any funds because of the amount of the transaction. He knows that, and once I verified that with my bank....anyone with any kinda commen sense knows I cant call my bank and tell them anything because I authorized the transaction. To this day, Dwight tells me to call my bank(whom I no longer bank with) and file a dispute with them to get my money back. I have the proof thru PM where he sent me telling me to contact my bank and dispute it to get my money back as he says "people do it all the time", when thats ridiculous. He received the money, and deposited it into his acct...why on earth would I try to scam the bank when I authorized the transaction. Theres nothing I can tell my bank, they called me to verify that I made the transaction so once they did that and I verified it there was no disputing the charge. Dwight is a crook, and thats the bottomline. The facts are clear here, you guys can ignore them but I wont. I will make sure his business suffers as a result of him stealing from me. He PMs me and tells me to dispute it with my bank some months later, is he kidding? He is a crook, the bank shouldnt have to give me the money the person who stole it should.

[Harbone]

I'm on YB every day given them idiots hell.....for being wrong. The facts are clear and I'll make sure this thread stays alive and I make sure Kentucky Speed and Performance loses business.

So I guess everything said on YB about you is a lie and your just mis-understood? I don't think so.

Everything like what? That I owed someone $150 and he has received his $150? I made things right, go ask the guy if I owe him. He will tell you no, now what about you and the $3320 you stole? You put it into your bank acct and never refunded or sent what you were paid for. Whats hard to understand?

So have you provided him with what he has asked for?

He is a crook and a thief genius. There's no working with him. He knows what happened. He knows that my Bank called me before they would release the funds to Paypal(and Paypal called and emailed me too) so that I could verify that it was me who made the transaction before they released any funds because of the amount of the transaction. He knows that, and once I verified that with my bank....anyone with any kinda commen sense knows I cant call my bank and tell them anything because I authorized the transaction. To this day, Dwight tells me to call my bank(whom I no longer bank with) and file a dispute with them to get my money back. I have the proof thru PM where he sent me telling me to contact my bank and dispute it to get my money back as he says "people do it all the time", when thats ridiculous. He received the money, and deposited it into his acct...why on earth would I try to scam the bank when I authorized the transaction. Theres nothing I can tell my bank, they called me to verify that I made the transaction so once they did that and I verified it there was no disputing the charge. Dwight is a crook, and thats the bottomline. The facts are clear here, you guys can ignore them but I wont. I will make sure his business suffers as a result of him stealing from me. He PMs me and tells me to dispute it with my bank some months later, is he kidding? He is a crook, the bank shouldnt have to give me the money the person who stole it should.

good luck then...

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Dwight where is the $3320? Quick questions. Were you sent $3320 and did you receieve it with no problems and deposit the money into your bank acct? Yes or No....did YOU send the parts you were paid for or refund the money? Yes or No....simple questions...simple answers...

I don't think that your being rude to people is helping your situation. I don't have anything to hide. As far as my feedback on eBay goes, we had over 1700 positive feedbacks with 1 negetive feedback up until May of last year when my father got sick. My father has sinced passed away. We have closed our store and there were several items that did not get shipped and we had several pissed off customers. The only reason it was closed was because I couldn't keep up with it and we sure as hell weren't making much money at it. ALL of them have either been refunded or have recieved parts since. I could have stiffed them, but chose to do the right thing. Yes, you did pay for those boxes through PayPal, and yes the money was deposited into our account along with about 1300.00 more. PayPal in turn, deducted the money from our account because of the dispute you did with your credit card company or your bank. I talked with PayPal 6-8 months ago about this. We did choose not to do business with you the second time, that's why we would have been screwed if we had sent the boxes. You had one intention and one intention only....TO SCREW US. I have requested some very simple things from you to resolve this and you are the one "beating around the bush". If I owe you money and you want paid, then get me what I have asked for, period! There is over 100 pages about how you have screwed over more than one person on www.yellowbullet.com. I'm with Chris, go back to YB, LOOKS LIKE THEY REALLY LOVE YOUR THERE!!!

I am not on the internet looking for friends Dwight. I do not need the internet, you do remember that. The fact is, you keep making excuses and not providng any facts or proof while I have showed facts and provided proof. If Paypal took the money from your acct, then explain this which is from the email I received from Paypal.

Hello Jacob Harper,

After careful review, we have concluded our investigation of the Buyer
Complaint described below.

We have decided in your favor, however, we were unable to recover any funds
from the seller's account. As stated in the PayPal User Agreement, recovery
of funds associated with a Buyer Complaint cannot be guaranteed.

Please know that we will make our best effort to recover the funds in
question if they become available in the seller's account in the future and
will take appropriate action against the seller. Such action may include
issuing a warning, a temporary restriction, or terminating the account.
Keep in mind that PayPal uses a number of factors to determine when to take
action, including member complaints. Due to privacy laws, we cannot discuss
the details of any action taken. We hope you understand our policy and that
it assures you that you are safe using PayPal.


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Transaction Details
-----------------------------------


Seller's Name: Ketucky Speed & Performance, LLC
Seller's Email: [email protected]
Seller's Transaction ID: 58V43533SC866350C

Transaction Date: Jun 1, 2009
Transaction Amount: -$3,320.00 USD
Your Transaction ID: 21V662725K513211V
Case Number: PP-718-326-974

Buyer's Transaction ID: 21V662725K513211V

So who is the liar here, you are Paypal. You have just been caught in a lie, do you really want to continue with this BS of yours or come clean Dwight? Explain please....how can Paypal take money out of your acct? When they had already told me that you took all the money from your acct. Stop with the BS and lies. If you chose not to do business with me why did you discuss buying the boxes with me and we go back and forth for about a week before you were paid? You keep on with the lies, lets cut the crap Dwight. Youre a liar and a crook, and I wont stop until everyone knows it and your business crumbles. Youre a thief and a scammer, the proof is here. There is others in this section who has said the same thing about Kentucky Speed and Performance. This is about you, and the facts are simple here. You were sent $3320 and you put it into your acct and never refunded or sent the parts you were paid for. Its that simple, that means youre a crook. The 1st time I bought anything from you, it was thru an Instant transfer which was debited from my bank acct, it wasnt thru a credit card transaction. Wheres any of your proof, we still havent seen it. I showed proof that I paid you and you stole the money and never sent the parts or refunded the money. You are on record as saying such....youre a crook. I need to start some ads with your same titles along with crooks so when people do a search they see my ads explaining the facts. I assure you, you stole from the wrong person Dwight.

all that proves nothing! hard evidence isnt a copy and pasted email! you will get better results by backing off on the attitude, we like to help people but you came in guns a blazing and then it turns out you are no angel according to another website. by the way, post up some of those fake adds on RJ and see how fast you get kicked off, again this isnt YB.

I dont need to prove anything to you, I want to prove it to the potential buyers and the people interested in purchasing parts from Kentucky Speed and Performance. That proves quite a bit to someone with any kind of common sense, maybe not to guys who arent interested in facts and have an agenda. I have seen more proven with less, this is definitely hard evidence. Dwight hasnt provided anything and others have said that he is a crook in this section. 1 person on YB.com said I owed them, and go ask him if he was paid. Yep, he was paid his $150. Its been proven that Dwight received $3320 from me and he said he deposited into his bank acct. Paypal sent an email saying they werent able to recover any funds from his acct, basically because he stole the money already. Did he refund the money or send the parts? No. If he chose NOT to do business with me, wouldnt the honest thing be to refund the money immediately or hey what about not receiving any money from me to begin with and telling me when I contacted him about purchasing items from him for the 2nd time. LOL pretty cut and dry here. the guy is a crook....

[TwinFoggerSBC]

The ads are definitely going up, I see them on here all the time. I will get the message out. Kentucky Speed and Performance are crooks. Its clear....and has been proven.

[Harbone]

The ads are definitely going up, I see them on here all the time. I will get the message out. Kentucky Speed and Performance are crooks. Its clear....and has been proven.

ok... :lol:

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Isnt this the section to post in if you have been scammed? I am posting because Kentucky Speed and Performance stole from me and I will make sure it stays up top.

[kyspeedparts]

Again, get me a statement from you cc company, which is pretty easy to do, saying that your were never credited. I spoke with PayPal about this long ago. If Ky Speed owes you something, we'll take care of it, but I'm not into giving money to people that don't deserve it. Again, if your fighting with the "idiots" on YB about scams or people youv'e screwed over, then why in the hell do you think anyone on RJ is going to have sympothy for you. Your calling people on here idiots and dumbasses when in fact your making yourself out to be one. This forum is for people that have been scammed, but the guys on here will eat you up if you continue. You need to play nice.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Again, get me a statement from you cc company, which is pretty easy to do, saying that your were never credited. I spoke with PayPal about this long ago. If Ky Speed owes you something, we'll take care of it, but I'm not into giving money to people that don't deserve it. Again, if your fighting with the "idiots" on YB about scams or people youv'e screwed over, then why in the hell do you think anyone on RJ is going to have sympothy for you. Your calling people on here idiots and dumbasses when in fact your making yourself out to be one. This forum is for people that have been scammed, but the guys on here will eat you up if you continue. You need to play nice.

Just as I did on YB, I will hold my own on here too. I garauntee you that. I am a big boy and can handle myself accordingly. I do not care about sympathy, I care about destroying you and your business and exposing you as the crook and thief you are. I have provided proof and facts, you received money and never sent the parts or refunded the money. Thats what matters, I used my debit card. No CC and pay off in monthly paymets here, this came straight from my bank acct. You have been exposed...wheres your proof that you sent a refund or the parts or as you stated that Paypal took the money from you when I have shown proof that they said that YOU HAD ALREADY PRETTY MUCH STOLE THE MONEY AND THEY WERENT ABLE TO RECOVER ANY FUNDS FROM YOUR ACCT.

I am not on here looking for friends, as I told you I do not need the internet you on the other hand do. I am here and I will hold me own for whomever wants to bring it. Rest assured I will bring it right back to you...I am ready!!!

[kyspeedparts]

You have not provided one piece of proof. Just a bunch of BS. Your debit card is just like a credit card, that's why it has that little VISA or MASTERCARD logo on it. I want to thank you for the publicity. My phone has been ringing off the hook. Your only making yourself look bad. Good luck.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

You have not provided one piece of proof. Just a bunch of BS. Your debit card is just like a credit card, that's why it has that little VISA or MASTERCARD logo on it. I want to thank you for the publicity. My phone has been ringing off the hook. Your only making yourself look bad. Good luck.

You havent seen anything yet Dwight, trust me. I wont stop until your business is destroyed and you guys crumble. I have proven that you did in fact receive $3320 and put it into your bank acct and Paypal said that you stole the money before they were able to take it. Did you miss that proof, or do I need to post it again? Here it goes...address that.

After careful review, we have concluded our investigation of the Buyer
Complaint described below.

We have decided in your favor, however, we were unable to recover any funds
from the seller's account. As stated in the PayPal User Agreement, recovery
of funds associated with a Buyer Complaint cannot be guaranteed.

Please know that we will make our best effort to recover the funds in
question if they become available in the seller's account in the future and
will take appropriate action against the seller. Such action may include
issuing a warning, a temporary restriction, or terminating the account.
Keep in mind that PayPal uses a number of factors to determine when to take
action, including member complaints. Due to privacy laws, we cannot discuss
the details of any action taken. We hope you understand our policy and that
it assures you that you are safe using PayPal.


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Transaction Details
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Seller's Name: Ketucky Speed & Performance, LLC
Seller's Email: [email protected]
Seller's Transaction ID: 58V43533SC866350C

Transaction Date: Jun 1, 2009
Transaction Amount: -$3,320.00 USD
Your Transaction ID: 21V662725K513211V
Case Number: PP-718-326-974

Buyer's Transaction ID: 21V662725K513211V

isnt that proof that I sent you money? You have already said you never refunded or sent the parts. if you chose not to do business with me, WHY WOULDNT YOU REFUND THE MONEY OR NEVER ACCEPT IT TO BEGIN WITH? Because you are a crook and your intentions all along was to steal from me. Answer the facts....You wont...you have dodged them this whole time.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

http://www.bbb.org/cincinnati/business-reviews/auto-perform-race-and-sport-equipment/kentucky-speed-performance-llc-in-florence-ky-3007418/

I think this speaks for itself, care to explain???? Youre a crook Dwight....this is from the BBB.

[blownalky3]

Not taking sides here, but it would take minutes to get your bank statements from the month of purchase and the next 3. That would clear this whole thing up and provide the proof needed. Emails prove nothing. You version or his version prove nothing. Want your money? Get the statements. Even if you are not a customer any more, they will assist you. Do yourself a favor and prove what you keep MEGA posting about

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Not taking sides here, but it would take minutes to get your bank statements from the month of purchase and the next 3. That would clear this whole thing up and provide the proof needed. Emails prove nothing. You version or his version prove nothing. Want your money? Get the statements. Even if you are not a customer any more, they will assist you. Do yourself a favor and prove what you keep MEGA posting about

My proofs been posted. Ask Dwight to address the proof and the facts, he wont he keeps refusing to do so. Where is his proof that Paypal took the money? He has already acknowledged he stole the money, where is his proof that he sent a refund or the parts or Paypal gave me my money back or took it from him? I have already proved that wrong, Paypal said they werent able to recover the funds because he had already stolen the money. This guy is a crook, and its clear from this site, eBay, as well as by the Better Business Bureau. Wheres the proof at Dwight?

[kyspeedparts]

It's the same thing you've been posting. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU DIDN'T FILE A DISPUTE WITH YOUR CREDIT CARD COMPANY!!! I'm not going to refund you any money if your credit card company has already taken it back from PayPal. When a customer files a cc dispute with their cc company and the cc company finds out that its customer is in the right (which would be in your case), they will pull the funds directly out of that venders bank account whether you have a 100,000 balance or a -5,000.00 balance. PayPal told me you filed a dispute with your cc company and that your cc company pulled the funds back out for you. Period.

[signsbyesa]

:shock: :shock: wow :shock: :shock:
well someone is a greased fart face liar, ha heh :P m2c

[TwinFoggerSBC]

It's the same thing you've been posting. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU DIDN'T FILE A DISPUTE WITH YOUR CREDIT CARD COMPANY!!! I'm not going to refund you any money if your credit card company has already taken it back from PayPal. When a customer files a cc dispute with their cc company and the cc company finds out that its customer is in the right (which would be in your case), they will pull the funds directly out of that venders bank account whether you have a 100,000 balance or a -5,000.00 balance. PayPal told me you filed a dispute with your cc company and that your cc company pulled the funds back out for you. Period.

Are you simply reading what you want to read or what? You know that my bank and Paypal both called me to verify I authorized the transaction. So there was no filing a dispute because this was an authorized transaction, and you stole from me. Those are the facts. Not to mention, again...if you chose not to do business with me...WHY DIDNT YOU REFUND THE MONEY IMMEDIATELY OR NEVER ACCEPT THE MONEY TO BEGIN WITH? YOUR INTENTIONS ALL ALONG WAS TO STEAL FROM ME. THATS CLEAR. Youre a liar, crook and thief. You keep lying and saying BS. You say you all chose not to do business with me. Well why didnt you say that when I called you guys the day you were supposed to send the items? You said to me, your parts will go out in the morning. And that is after you had the funds already. If there was any problems with the 1st order, you would of contacted me then but you never did and when I contacted you to make a 2nd order you never ever mentioned anything. You are a crook, and anyone who sends money to you guys after reading this is a fool.

[BEAST477]

Just curious twin fogger, this took place back in June 2009 now 8 months later you finally post about it. :?

[blownalky3]

Here you go SBC................... I took 2 seconds to make your email look the way I wanted it.

SO WHERE IS YOUR REAL PROOF??? BESIDES YOUR MOUTH???


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$

Hello Jacob Harper,

After careful review, we have concluded our investigation of the Buyer
Complaint described below.

We have decided against you, and we are not able to recover any funds
from the seller's account, as you have shown no proof. As stated in the PayPal User Agreement, recovery
of funds associated with a Buyer Complaint cannot be guaranteed.

Please know that we made our best effort to mediate this dispute in
question and will sanction BOTH of you. Such action may include
issuing a warning, a temporary restriction, or terminating the account.
Keep in mind that PayPal uses a number of factors to determine when to take
action, including member complaints. Due to privacy laws, we cannot discuss
the details of any action taken. We hope you understand our policy and that
it assures you that you are safe using PayPal.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Just curious twin fogger, this took place back in June 2009 now 8 months later you finally post about it. :?

Been trying to give the guy a chance to make it right. I had heard that he had issues with his father being ill and I hadnt spoke to him directly. He wouldnt reply to emails or phone calls, and I didnt know if he were still going thru issues. I posted about it on YB.com but never said there name. I then seen him posting ads on RJ.com and I contacted them and that was the 1st time he ever replied directly.

[Tod74]

OK forget about the yellowbullet crap .

It would seem to me, if you were REALLY out the 3200 bucks or whatever it was...you would get the bank/CC statements and show him so you could get your cash back. You say you have posted proof...you posted the email,but not the CC statement. If you wanted the money you would post the statement. His side of it is you planned on doing a charge back after you got the boxes in order to scam him...well you are making it appear that he caught you in a scam and you are just retaliating.Not saying you are...but that's what it looks like. Just get him the proof he asks for,even if you don't think you should have to, and then get your money back. You can still "destroy his business" after you get your money. Why shoot yourself in the foot by being stuborn and screw yourself out of the money?

[TwinFoggerSBC]

OK forget about the yellowbullet crap .

It would seem to me, if you were REALLY out the 3200 bucks or whatever it was...you would get the bank/CC statements and show him so you could get your cash back. You say you have posted proof...you posted the email,but not the CC statement. If you wanted the money you would post the statement. His side of it is you planned on doing a charge back after you got the boxes in order to scam him...well you are making it appear that he caught you in a scam and you are just retaliating.Not saying you are...but that's what it looks like. Just get him the proof he asks for,even if you don't think you should have to, and then get your money back. You can still "destroy his business" after you get your money. Why shoot yourself in the foot by being stuborn and screw yourself out of the money?

Where is any of his proof? He hasnt provided anything, I provided proof with an Paypal transaction ID that can be verified by them...and he has already said that he was paid....and never refunded me or sent the items. If what he said was true, why would he do business with me to begin with? Why not refuse to sell to me, why deposit the money into his bank acct and steal it before Paypal could take it back? The fact is, he received the money and stole it....and never refunded it or sent what he was paid for. Why would I want to retaliate? What would it get me? Nothing. I do not need anything for free. I pay for everything I get. He hasnt addressed any of the facts here. What happened to the $3320, ask him that. Paypal says he stole the money basically....I have written the money off as a lost. My mission now is to destroy him and his business. I gave him a chance to make things right, and he refused....

[Tod74]

Where is any of his proof? He hasnt provided anything, I provided proof with an Paypal transaction ID that can be verified by them...and he has already said that he was paid....and never refunded me or sent the items. If what he said was true, why would he do business with me to begin with? Why not refuse to sell to me, why deposit the money into his bank acct and steal it before Paypal could take it back? The fact is, he received the money and stole it....and never refunded it or sent what he was paid for. Why would I want to retaliate? What would it get me? Nothing. I do not need anything for free. I pay for everything I get. He hasnt addressed any of the facts here. What happened to the $3320, ask him that. Paypal says he stole the money basically....I have written the money off as a lost. My mission now is to destroy him and his business. I gave him a chance to make things right, and he refused....

Let me go read his post again...I thought he said paypal took the money from him...

[TwinFoggerSBC]

http://www.bbb.org/cincinnati/business-reviews/auto-perform-race-and-sport-equipment/kentucky-speed-performance-llc-in-florence-ky-3007418/

What about all of these complaints....were they trying to scam him too? I doubt it....the guy is a crook and so is his company.

[dragonmaster093]

isnt refusing just dont wanna see some dirtbag get paid twice and that just how you come off and seem to be doing asked for the simple peice of proof you wont produce cause it would show that when your first scam was sniffed out you tried this one and it didnt work so now your pissed

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Where is any of his proof? He hasnt provided anything, I provided proof with an Paypal transaction ID that can be verified by them...and he has already said that he was paid....and never refunded me or sent the items. If what he said was true, why would he do business with me to begin with? Why not refuse to sell to me, why deposit the money into his bank acct and steal it before Paypal could take it back? The fact is, he received the money and stole it....and never refunded it or sent what he was paid for. Why would I want to retaliate? What would it get me? Nothing. I do not need anything for free. I pay for everything I get. He hasnt addressed any of the facts here. What happened to the $3320, ask him that. Paypal says he stole the money basically....I have written the money off as a lost. My mission now is to destroy him and his business. I gave him a chance to make things right, and he refused....

Let me go read his post again...I thought he said paypal took the money from him...

Where is his proof? If Paypal took the money from him...why did they send me this email:

Hello Jacob Harper,

After careful review, we have concluded our investigation of the Buyer
Complaint described below.

We have decided in your favor, however, we were unable to recover any funds
from the seller's account. As stated in the PayPal User Agreement, recovery
of funds associated with a Buyer Complaint cannot be guaranteed.

Please know that we will make our best effort to recover the funds in
question if they become available in the seller's account in the future and
will take appropriate action against the seller. Such action may include
issuing a warning, a temporary restriction, or terminating the account.
Keep in mind that PayPal uses a number of factors to determine when to take
action, including member complaints. Due to privacy laws, we cannot discuss
the details of any action taken. We hope you understand our policy and that
it assures you that you are safe using PayPal.


-----------------------------------
Transaction Details
-----------------------------------


Seller's Name: Ketucky Speed & Performance, LLC
Seller's Email: [email protected]
Seller's Transaction ID: 58V43533SC866350C

Transaction Date: Jun 1, 2009
Transaction Amount: -$3,320.00 USD
Your Transaction ID: 21V662725K513211V
Case Number: PP-718-326-974

Buyer's Transaction ID: 21V662725K513211

[CustomTanks]

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:



WOW

[BEAST477]

I'm sorry I have to agree with these guys. You need to post proof. Not something you typed up. Blownalky typed up something that looks just as good as your so called proof. Which one do we believe? Look at it from our position. Scan and post your credit card statements then you have something valid. Not this he said she said crap it's getting old. Sorry JMO

[TwinFoggerSBC]

isnt refusing just dont wanna see some dirtbag get paid twice and that just how you come off and seem to be doing asked for the simple peice of proof you wont produce cause it would show that when your first scam was sniffed out you tried this one and it didnt work so now your pissed

You arent very smart are you? Lets take this slow, so maybe you will understand better. What was the 1st scam.....

[TwinFoggerSBC]

I'm sorry I have to agree with these guys. You need to post proof. Not something you typed up. Blownalky typed up something that looks just as good as your so called proof. Which one do we believe? Look at it from our position. Scan and post your credit card statements then you have something valid. Not this he said she said crap it's getting old. Sorry JMO

Call Paypal with the transaction ID. Everything from that email, Dwight has confirmed....he knows thats a legit email. He has confirmed that....

[dragonmaster093]

no you listen ill type slow everyone here smart enough to see through your bs and since we dont buy your bs your on a tyrant worse then a 3yr old

[TwinFoggerSBC]

no you listen ill type slow everyone here smart enough to see through your bs and since we dont buy your bs your on a tyrant worse then a 3yr old

As I thought, you sound like a dumbass. I didnt figure you werent saying shit, just talking out your ass.

[slowmotion]

Here you go SBC................... I took 2 seconds to make your email look the way I wanted it.

SO WHERE IS YOUR REAL PROOF??? BESIDES YOUR MOUTH???


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$

Hello Jacob Harper,

After careful review from our team of chimpanzees, we have concluded our investigation of the Buyer
Complaint described below.

We have decided against you, and we will now sling poo at you
from a close distance, as you have shown no proof. As stated in the PooPal User Agreement, recovery
of poo associated with a Buyer Complaint cannot be guaranteed.

Please know that we made our best effort to mediate this dispute in
question and will throw poo at BOTH of you. Such action may include
issuing a warning about the poo throwing , a temporary restriction of poo throwing , or extreme rapid fire poo slinging.
Keep in mind that PooPal uses a number of factors to determine when to throw poo, including member complaints. Due to poo privacy laws, we cannot discuss
the details of any action taken. We hope you understand our poo policy and that
it assures you that you are safe using PooPal.

I like my version better. :D

[Scorpion1110]

Just curious.

Is a photocopy of a credit card statement worth $3,320.00?

Tell me Fogger would you trade a photocopy of a CC statement in exchange for $3320.00.

Simple question- Not about proof, or BB complaints or who is right.

Simple question, Would you trade a photocopy of a credit card statement for $3320?

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Here you go SBC................... I took 2 seconds to make your email look the way I wanted it.

SO WHERE IS YOUR REAL PROOF??? BESIDES YOUR MOUTH???


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$

Hello Jacob Harper,

After careful review from our team of chimpanzees, we have concluded our investigation of the Buyer
Complaint described below.

We have decided against you, and we will now sling poo at you
from a close distance, as you have shown no proof. As stated in the PooPal User Agreement, recovery
of poo associated with a Buyer Complaint cannot be guaranteed.

Please know that we made our best effort to mediate this dispute in
question and will throw poo at BOTH of you. Such action may include
issuing a warning about the poo throwing , a temporary restriction of poo throwing , or extreme rapid fire poo slinging.
Keep in mind that PooPal uses a number of factors to determine when to throw poo, including member complaints. Due to poo privacy laws, we cannot discuss
the details of any action taken. We hope you understand our poo policy and that
it assures you that you are safe using PooPal.

I like my version better. :D

Dwight has confirmed he received the money and deposited it into his bank acct. Paypal has confirmed he stole the money, they werent able to recover any funds from his acct because he stole the money. He has verified everything I said, where is his proof that Paypal took the money. Wouldnt they send him an email or something?

[Tod74]

I feel like I need to put this to rest before it gets started. This "gentleman" who posted this is the same "gentleman" that back in October of 2008 purchased 4 MSD boxes from us and wanted them sent overnight. Now what kind of person would need 4 750.00 MSD boxes shipped overnight? It was an unusual purchase because they are very pricey. Myself and my ex business partner were very suspicious of the transaction and called PayPal to make sure indeed that we would be covered by them if something went wrong (if we got scammed). They insure us that as long as it was sent to an address that they credit card was tied to and that is was signed for, that it would be covered. Sure enough, this "gentleman" tried to dispute his cc with PayPal. Initially, PayPal deducted the money back from our account but after talking to them, they paid us back. In May or June of last year, he tried to do the same thing. He paid PayPal for 4 of the same boxes. We decided not to do the transaction because we again thought it was a scam. We later closed down our eBay store and our PayPal account. PayPal informed me long ago that this "gentleman" again had disputed his cc payment with them. He says that we owe him for these boxes and PayPal will tell you that he initially paid for them, but the money was put back on his card due to the dispute. I told this "gentleman" numorous times that if he would have PayPal and his cc company get me statements or letters or even a phone call proving that this money had not been put back on his cc, that I would definitely make it right. He uses the excuse that he doesn't bank with the same bank anymore and that PayPal isn't willing to help him out with this. I told him even though he doesn't bank with the same bank anymore, that they do keep records and they can get him proof of this transaction. He feels like he doesn't have to show proof and that I guess I should take his word for it. I don't think so. Like I said, have the bank & PayPal get with me or send me the information and I will make it right. My belief is that this "gentleman" is a scammer and has been one and is trying to pull some BS move. If anyone would like to ask me any questions, please feel free to call. Sorry for taking up so much time for this BS. Dwight Workman. 859-647-7223.


Ok...wait a minute here.

Ok he says that in October of 2008 purchased 4 MSD boxes from us and wanted them sent overnight. He admits here that he did indeed get paid for those boxes. He says paypal took the money away but eventually gave it back. OK. DONE DEAL. TFSBC Got his boxes and KSP got their money. DONE

THEN HE SAYS...In May or June of last year, he tried to do the same thing. He paid PayPal for 4 of the same boxes. We decided not to do the transaction because we again thought it was a scam. We later closed down our eBay store and our PayPal account. PayPal informed me long ago that this "gentleman" again had disputed his cc payment with them. He says that we owe him for these boxes and PayPal will tell you that he initially paid for them, but the money was put back on his card due to the dispute.

What he does not say outright is that he got the money from the boxes,He says TFSBC paid PAYPAL then disputed the charge,and PAYPAL put the money back on his card...WELL if THAT IS THE CASE it should be just as easy for KSP to prove this as it would be for TFSBC to prove it. IF PAYPAL put the money back on his card they had to take the money away from KSP!!! He could show HIS bank statement where the money was removed from his account!! He admits that he closed his paypal account. This is the part that bothers me right here...HE has said that if TFSBC shows that he was not credited he will make it right....So what, now he expects us to believe that he has $3300 in his bank account that he didn't know was there??? The fact that he says he will pay TFSBC back if he shows proof means that he indeed DID recieve the $3300 from paypal, in which case, He is wrong. Even if PAYPAL gave TFSBC his money back as KSP says...KSP has NO RIGHT to keep the $3300 whether it belong to TFSBC or PAYPAL!!!
PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY YOU THINK YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO KEEP THE $3300 IF YOU DIDN'T SEND THE BOXES.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Just curious.

Is a photocopy of a credit card statement worth $3,320.00?

Tell me Fogger would you trade a photocopy of a CC statement in exchange for $3320.00.

Simple question- Not about proof, or BB complaints or who is right.

Simple question, Would you trade a photocopy of a credit card statement for $3320?

Why dont you guys try reading the facts? I used my debit card....which comes out of my bank acct. I no longer bank with the same bank.

[Scorpion1110]

Here you go SBC................... I took 2 seconds to make your email look the way I wanted it.

SO WHERE IS YOUR REAL PROOF??? BESIDES YOUR MOUTH???


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$

Hello Jacob Harper,

After careful review from our team of chimpanzees, we have concluded our investigation of the Buyer
Complaint described below.

We have decided against you, and we will now sling poo at you
from a close distance, as you have shown no proof. As stated in the PooPal User Agreement, recovery
of poo associated with a Buyer Complaint cannot be guaranteed.

Please know that we made our best effort to mediate this dispute in
question and will throw poo at BOTH of you. Such action may include
issuing a warning about the poo throwing , a temporary restriction of poo throwing , or extreme rapid fire poo slinging.
Keep in mind that PooPal uses a number of factors to determine when to throw poo, including member complaints. Due to poo privacy laws, we cannot discuss
the details of any action taken. We hope you understand our poo policy and that
it assures you that you are safe using PooPal.

I like my version better. :D

Dwight has confirmed he received the money and deposited it into his bank acct. Paypal has confirmed he stole the money, they werent able to recover any funds from his acct because he stole the money. He has verified everything I said, where is his proof that Paypal took the money. Wouldnt they send him an email or something?

Posted right after my question but didnt answer it.

Here it is again.

Would you trade a credit card statement for $3320.00 ?

[dragonmaster093]

scorp goes to my opinion here hes bs that he cant prove that he didnt already get the money and wants to get payed twice

[Tod74]

Guys..as much as I hate to admit it, I think KSP has some explaining to do here...unless I misunderstand what I read...if so, please set me straight.

[Tod74]

WHY SHOULD KSP GET TO KEEP THE $3300? HE NEVER SENT THE BOXES!! Don't expect me to believe he would just take a $3300 hit out of the goodness of his heart...it seems to me he thinks he should be able to keep PAYPALS money as long as TFSBC got his back.

[slowmotion]

What he does not say outright is that he got the money from the boxes,He says TFSBC paid PAYPAL then disputed the charge,and PAYPAL put the money back on his card...WELL if THAT IS THE CASE it should be just as easy for KSP to prove this as it would be for TFSBC to prove it. IF PAYPAL put the money back on his card they had to take the money away from KSP!!! He could show HIS bank statement where the money was removed from his account!! He admits that he closed his paypal account. This is the part that bothers me right here...HE has said that if TFSBC shows that he was not credited he will make it right....So what, now he expects us to believe that he has $3300 in his bank account that he didn't know was there??? The fact that he says he will pay TFSBC back if he shows proof means that he indeed DID recieve the $3300 from paypal, in which case, He is wrong. Even if PAYPAL gave TFSBC his money back as KSP says...KSP has NO RIGHT to keep the $3300 whether it belong to TFSBC or PAYPAL!!!
PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY YOU THINK YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO KEEP THE $3300 IF YOU DIDN'T SEND THE BOXES.

I've been thinking the same thing. They both should be able to show proof.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

I feel like I need to put this to rest before it gets started. This "gentleman" who posted this is the same "gentleman" that back in October of 2008 purchased 4 MSD boxes from us and wanted them sent overnight. Now what kind of person would need 4 750.00 MSD boxes shipped overnight? It was an unusual purchase because they are very pricey. Myself and my ex business partner were very suspicious of the transaction and called PayPal to make sure indeed that we would be covered by them if something went wrong (if we got scammed). They insure us that as long as it was sent to an address that they credit card was tied to and that is was signed for, that it would be covered. Sure enough, this "gentleman" tried to dispute his cc with PayPal. Initially, PayPal deducted the money back from our account but after talking to them, they paid us back. In May or June of last year, he tried to do the same thing. He paid PayPal for 4 of the same boxes. We decided not to do the transaction because we again thought it was a scam. We later closed down our eBay store and our PayPal account. PayPal informed me long ago that this "gentleman" again had disputed his cc payment with them. He says that we owe him for these boxes and PayPal will tell you that he initially paid for them, but the money was put back on his card due to the dispute. I told this "gentleman" numorous times that if he would have PayPal and his cc company get me statements or letters or even a phone call proving that this money had not been put back on his cc, that I would definitely make it right. He uses the excuse that he doesn't bank with the same bank anymore and that PayPal isn't willing to help him out with this. I told him even though he doesn't bank with the same bank anymore, that they do keep records and they can get him proof of this transaction. He feels like he doesn't have to show proof and that I guess I should take his word for it. I don't think so. Like I said, have the bank & PayPal get with me or send me the information and I will make it right. My belief is that this "gentleman" is a scammer and has been one and is trying to pull some BS move. If anyone would like to ask me any questions, please feel free to call. Sorry for taking up so much time for this BS. Dwight Workman. 859-647-7223.


Ok...wait a minute here.

Ok he says that in October of 2008 purchased 4 MSD boxes from us and wanted them sent overnight. He admits here that he did indeed get paid for those boxes. He says paypal took the money away but eventually gave it back. OK. DONE DEAL. TFSBC Got his boxes and KSP got their money. DONE

THEN HE SAYS...In May or June of last year, he tried to do the same thing. He paid PayPal for 4 of the same boxes. We decided not to do the transaction because we again thought it was a scam. We later closed down our eBay store and our PayPal account. PayPal informed me long ago that this "gentleman" again had disputed his cc payment with them. He says that we owe him for these boxes and PayPal will tell you that he initially paid for them, but the money was put back on his card due to the dispute.

What he does not say outright is that he got the money from the boxes,He says TFSBC paid PAYPAL then disputed the charge,and PAYPAL put the money back on his card...WELL if THAT IS THE CASE it should be just as easy for KSP to prove this as it would be for TFSBC to prove it. IF PAYPAL put the money back on his card they had to take the money away from KSP!!! He could show HIS bank statement where the money was removed from his account!! He admits that he closed his paypal account. This is the part that bothers me right here...HE has said that if TFSBC shows that he was not credited he will make it right....So what, now he expects us to believe that he has $3300 in his bank account that he didn't know was there??? The fact that he says he will pay TFSBC back if he shows proof means that he indeed DID recieve the $3300 from paypal, in which case, He is wrong. Even if PAYPAL gave TFSBC his money back as KSP says...KSP has NO RIGHT to keep the $3300 whether it belong to TFSBC or PAYPAL!!!
PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY YOU THINK YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO KEEP THE $3300 IF YOU DIDN'T SEND THE BOXES.

So NOW YOU SEE WHAT I AM SAYING TOD74? THIS GUY HAS STOLEN MONEY FROM ME. THATS WHAT THIS ALL BOILS DOWN TO. The guy is a liar and a thief. Let me ask you something Tod74....if I purchased items from you and there was trouble with that order where allegedly as this guy said, where I filed a dispute with my Bank....would you sale ANYTHING ELSE TO ME AGAIN? Hell no you wouldnt. But this guy not only sold more items to me, he discussed the purchase and I sent the money. Why did he accept the money? If he refused to do business with me, why wouldnt he immediately refund the money? I called kentucky speed and performance after shipping was slow and he didnt send the parts, I reached Dwight and he said that the boxes would go out in the morning. why not say? hey jacob, we arent doing business with you. i will be refunding you. he said i will ship the items in the morning. no, what he did was deposit the money into his bank acct and stole it. the email from paypal says that they werent able to recover my funds because the seller had already made off with them basically.

[Tod74]

I am too busy eating crow to type much of a response. :oops:

[TwinFoggerSBC]

What he does not say outright is that he got the money from the boxes,He says TFSBC paid PAYPAL then disputed the charge,and PAYPAL put the money back on his card...WELL if THAT IS THE CASE it should be just as easy for KSP to prove this as it would be for TFSBC to prove it. IF PAYPAL put the money back on his card they had to take the money away from KSP!!! He could show HIS bank statement where the money was removed from his account!! He admits that he closed his paypal account. This is the part that bothers me right here...HE has said that if TFSBC shows that he was not credited he will make it right....So what, now he expects us to believe that he has $3300 in his bank account that he didn't know was there??? The fact that he says he will pay TFSBC back if he shows proof means that he indeed DID recieve the $3300 from paypal, in which case, He is wrong. Even if PAYPAL gave TFSBC his money back as KSP says...KSP has NO RIGHT to keep the $3300 whether it belong to TFSBC or PAYPAL!!!
PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY YOU THINK YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO KEEP THE $3300 IF YOU DIDN'T SEND THE BOXES.

I've been thinking the same thing. They both should be able to show proof.

My bank called me the day of this transaction...to verify that I made this transaction because of the amount of it and the bank as a whole has had problems with Paypal. They werent releasing the money to Paypal until I verified this. I verified it for them. Paypal wasnt going to send any money to Kentucky Speed and Performance until they got confirmation from my bank that I authorized the transaction. Dwight knows all of this. I couldnt dispute the transaction because I authorized it. I have the PMs from the last week or so from Dwight telling me to contact my bank to dispute it and they will give me my money back because as he says it, "alot of people do it, they do it everyday" so basically he wants me to try and scam my bank so he can keep the $3320 I sent him. He never refunded me or sent the items he was paid for. He is a crook and a thief....

[Tod74]

Guys...read the KSP side of the story slowly...TFSBC is right. Only, KSP thinks he is ripping off PAYPAL and not TFSBC...He thinks PAYPAL refunded TFSBC money to him and the money he has belongs to PAYPAL. WHY is it ok to rip off PAYPAL and not TFSBC?

[TwinFoggerSBC]

I am too busy eating crow to type much of a response. :oops:

No crow required here...its easy to look over all of the facts with so much that I type. I ramble on at times, and I realize that and sometimes I come off as an asshole but I have no reason to scam anyone. The guy has said alot that makes no sense. He said i tried to scam him before yet he sold more items to me? No, that makes no sense. No responsible business owner would ever do that. His intentions were to screw me obviously....

[Tod74]

I am too busy eating crow to type much of a response. :oops:

No crow required here...its easy to look over all of the facts with so much that I type. I ramble on at times, and I realize that and sometimes I come off as an ah but I have no reason to scam anyone. The guy has said alot that makes no sense. He said i tried to scam him before yet he sold more items to me? No, that makes no sense. No responsible business owner would ever do that. His intentions were to screw me obviously....

I think the fact that he chose to do business with you again is irrelevant.What is relevant is he has $3320 of SOMEONE'S money that does not belong to him.Either he stole it from you,or he stole it from PAYPAL. Wrong is Wrong.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Guys...read the KSP side of the story slowly...TFSBC is right. Only, KSP thinks he is ripping off PAYPAL and not TFSBC...He thinks PAYPAL refunded TFSBC money to him and the money he has belongs to PAYPAL. WHY is it ok to rip off PAYPAL and not TFSBC?

Thats what I gathered too, and the only thing here is that Paypal hasnt given me anything and that email proves it. They couldnt give me anything because there was nothing to give. KSP had already stole the money and Paypal werent able to recover any of my funds, as you can see from the email from Paypal. I am out of $3320...because Paypal werent able to get any funds from his acct. I filed a complaint with Paypal, they found what I said to be true and they found the case in my favor....but werent able to get any of my money back because KSP had already stolen it.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

I am too busy eating crow to type much of a response. :oops:

No crow required here...its easy to look over all of the facts with so much that I type. I ramble on at times, and I realize that and sometimes I come off as an ah but I have no reason to scam anyone. The guy has said alot that makes no sense. He said i tried to scam him before yet he sold more items to me? No, that makes no sense. No responsible business owner would ever do that. His intentions were to screw me obviously....

I think the fact that he chose to do business with you again is irrelevant.What is relevant is he has $3320 of SOMEONE'S money that does not belong to him.Either he stole it from you,or he stole it from PAYPAL. Wrong is Wrong.

Its relevant because he claims he had an issue the 1st time around....why do business with me again? I will tell you the reason, because he had intentions of stealing the money from me apparently. He also claims he chose not to do business with me again....so why not refund me immediately or not accept my funds or when I spoke with him about buying more boxes why not say that then instead of accepting the funds? His intentions all along were to steal from me.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Dwight where is the $3320? Quick questions. Were you sent $3320 and did you receieve it with no problems and deposit the money into your bank acct? Yes or No....did YOU send the parts you were paid for or refund the money? Yes or No....simple questions...simple answers...

I don't think that your being rude to people is helping your situation. I don't have anything to hide. As far as my feedback on eBay goes, we had over 1700 positive feedbacks with 1 negetive feedback up until May of last year when my father got sick. My father has sinced passed away. We have closed our store and there were several items that did not get shipped and we had several pissed off customers. The only reason it was closed was because I couldn't keep up with it and we sure as hell weren't making much money at it. ALL of them have either been refunded or have recieved parts since. I could have stiffed them, but chose to do the right thing. Yes, you did pay for those boxes through PayPal, and yes the money was deposited into our account along with about 1300.00 more. PayPal in turn, deducted the money from our account because of the dispute you did with your credit card company or your bank. I talked with PayPal 6-8 months ago about this. We did choose not to do business with you the second time, that's why we would have been screwed if we had sent the boxes. You had one intention and one intention only....TO SCREW US. I have requested some very simple things from you to resolve this and you are the one "beating around the bush". If I owe you money and you want paid, then get me what I have asked for, period! There is over 100 pages about how you have screwed over more than one person on www.yellowbullet.com. I'm with Chris, go back to YB, LOOKS LIKE THEY REALLY LOVE YOUR THERE!!!

Was this before or after you deposited the money into your bank acct? Youre a crook...if you chose not to do business with me why didnt you tell me that when I discussed buying more boxes from you? Why did yount you immediately refund the money or better yet, never accept it. I wouldnt have sent you the money had you told me you werent doing business with me, and you know that. Youre a liar, you are saying all of this BS to try and cover your ass or make you look better when in fact you are a crook and anyone who looks at the facts can see that. Wheres your proof to any thing you say on this matter?

[Tod74]

If the money from the second transaction was never put into his account OR it was put into his account and then removed...WHY would he agree to pay him back if he didn't get credit back from paypal? Is he trying to tell us that he would GIVE TFSBC $3320 of HIS own money to make up for PAYPAL screwing him? I do not think so.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

If the money from the second transaction was never put into his account OR it was put into his account and then removed...WHY would he agree to pay him back if he didn't get credit back from paypal? Is he trying to tell us that he would GIVE TFSBC $3320 of HIS own money to make up for PAYPAL screwing him? I do not think so.

He received the money from Paypal and then deposited it along with about $1300 according to 1 of his posts on here about this situation. He said he got the money from Paypal and deposited it into his bank acct with about $1300 of other buyers money. Go back and read his posts, he confirmed that he received the money from me and deposited it. Thats not an issue at all here....he said he then chose NOT to do business with me. Why the hell would he deposit MY money into his bank acct if that was the case? Shouldnt a responsible seller immediately refund that buyers money or how about never accepting it to begin with? the guy is an obvious crook....

[Tod74]

Yes, you did pay for those boxes through PayPal, and yes the money was deposited into our account along with about 1300.00 more. PayPal in turn, deducted the money from our account because of the dispute you did with your credit card company or your bank.

He also says it was deducted from his account.....If that is true one of you is a LIAR. I will now wait to see which one of you proves the other wrong.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Directly from 1 of kyspeedparts posts:

Yes, you did pay for those boxes through PayPal, and yes the money was deposited into our account along with about 1300.00 more.

Why did he deposit MY money into his acct if he chose NOT to do business with me and never had intentions on sending the parts he was paid for? Because Kentucky Speed and Performance are crooks, and thieves. Its been proven....a responsible seller wouldnt have never accepted the money or would of refunded it immediately. His intentions were to steal from me the whole time....its crystal clear.....

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Yes, you did pay for those boxes through PayPal, and yes the money was deposited into our account along with about 1300.00 more. PayPal in turn, deducted the money from our account because of the dispute you did with your credit card company or your bank.

He also says it was deducted from his account.....If that is true one of you is a LIAR. I will now wait to see which one of you proves the other wrong.

So why couldnt Paypal recover any of my funds from his acct then? I filed a complaint with Paypal a few days after I initially sent him the money. Paypal didnt take the money out of his acct because there was NO money to take. He had already stole it...this is directly from Paypal:

We have decided in your favor, however, we were unable to recover any funds
from the seller's account. As stated in the PayPal User Agreement, recovery
of funds associated with a Buyer Complaint cannot be guaranteed.

The guy is a crook....Paypal cant take money from an acct that HAS NO money.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

*crickets* *crickets*

[Sox]

I have been reading this all along and Im starting to think Twin Fogger might be right.I started one of these threads and had dealings with Kentucy Speed and I will keep my opinions of them to myself other than I have never bought from them again..

[TwinFoggerSBC]

I have been reading this all along and Im starting to think Twin Fogger might be right.I started one of these threads and had dealings with Kentucy Speed and I will keep my opinions of them to myself other than I have never bought from them again..

Yes and keep it like that, do not buy from them again. They are crooks and its been proven in this thread. Why on earth am I here if I received my money back? Those guys are crooks, and Dwight knows it. He never shouldnt have taken my money, if he chose not to do business with me. He put the money into his acct and stole it....never sent a refund or the parts.

[Sox]

I will also state I had my ass torn up on here about a deal gone bad but I made it right.These guys on here are no joke and will put it out there like it or not. Sometimes they jump to conclusions and I had a hard time proving my self,but that what this section is all about.If your worried about getting your fealings hurt stay off of hear.just my 2 cents...

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Yup. I hear that but not at all worrying about getting my feelings hurt. I want to get the message out and let the facts of what happened be known.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

You made things right, and thats what matters....

[Tod74]

You made things right, and thats what matters....

I do not know anything about his situation AT ALL (SOX) but I will say this about OTHER scammers we've seen. They make things right AFTER the victim pushes the issue and it becomes clear that they are not going to let them get away with it...So, just because someone makes it right after the fact,does NOT mean they are not a crook or that they are trustworthy.Again..I want to be clear,I am NOT talking about SOX ..just speaking in general terms based on what we have seen in the past.

[ejb40]

you wont last long here, this isnt YB and we aint a bunch of dumbass's... :twisted:so your saying the people on yellowbullet are dumbasses fuck this guy he scammed people now it happens to him and he doesnt like it to bad

[Harbone]

you wont last long here, this isnt YB and we aint a bunch of dumbass's... :twisted:so your saying the people on yellowbullet are dumbasses f this guy he scammed people now it happens to him and he doesnt like it to bad

no, I didnt say the people on YB were that, he called us dumbass's...

[Scorpion1110]

KYSPEED-

Its Friday at 10:39am and I see you visiting the forum. Will you respond to Fogger's comments?

Dwight its your turn.

[kyspeedparts]

Sorry guys, it took me a while to read all of this. The fact is, that PayPal told me months ago that he disputed the charges with with his credit card (bank card) company. If this is true, just because PayPal told you that they could not recover the funds from us, doesn't mean that your cc company couldn't dispute the the charges to PayPal and get your money back from them. You initially paid PayPal, not Kentucky Speed & Performance, so they would be liable for your refund and then in turn, PayPal would then come after us, right? You can and did dispute this with them via your cc company and PayPal told me months ago that your cc company did recover the money for you. I will look at things on my side and get with PayPal about this if you can get me a statement from your cc company that says you were never refunded your money. How's that?

[slowmotion]

Sorry guys, it took me a while to read all of this. The fact is, that PayPal told me months ago that he disputed the charges with with his credit card (bank card) company. If this is true, just because PayPal told you that they could not recover the funds from us, doesn't mean that your cc company couldn't dispute the the charges to PayPal and get your money back from them. You initially paid PayPal, not Kentucky Speed & Performance, so they would be liable for your refund and then in turn, PayPal would then come after us, right? You can and did dispute this with them via your cc company and PayPal told me months ago that your cc company did recover the money for you. I will look at things on my side and get with PayPal about this if you can get me a statement from your cc company that says you were never refunded your money. How's that?

Are you saying you recieved the money and you are waiting for paypal to come after you?

I have a customer right now that ordered valve covers that are on backorder. He decided not to wait for them so I'm going to refund his money and send him a free t-shirt for his trouble. I'm not going to make him get the money from his cc or paypal then wait and see if they come after me. That would be WRONG.

Please correct me if I read it wrong.

[kyspeedparts]

No, I am not waiting, they have came after me. That's when I was told that he had already gotten his money back via a dispute with his cc company.

[THERATTLER]

so does that mean that you actually do still have the money he sent???

[kyspeedparts]

No, If he in fact did not get refunded, the PayPal will have his money. I will call PayPal on my end to see what's happening. Like I said initially, if we owe anyone, I will take care of it.

[mopar1968]

Now Dang if this isn't a twist, First you say you didn't get now you say you did and paypal has contacted you :!: :!: Hmmmm you got me thinking now :!: :!:



''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

[kyspeedparts]

Mopar, I never said that he didn't pay for the parts via PayPal. He did pay for these via PayPal, but when I spoke to them several months ago, they said that he had gotten his money back through his cc company and then in turn, I would have to pay back PayPal. I don't mind giving refunds, but I sure can't afford to do it twice.

[THERATTLER]

you know , I must be stupid or something , but I still can't figure this out...he paid you for parts , RIGHT?
you never sent parts , RIGHT?
did at any point in time did you send him his money back??
did pay pal take money from your account for him?
if the answer to the last two is no , then you must still have his money...
even if pay pal or his credit card company settled with him doesnt mean you can keep the money..
forgive me for being stupid , but I have yet seen a direct answer to the last two questions ,, help me out here
in other words what happened to the money you recieved from him???

[TwinFoggerSBC]

I haven't gotten 1 dime back related to this mess Dwight and you know it. I have no reason whatsoever to bring this up had I gotten a refund already. You told me last week to contact my bank and dispute the charges and they would give me my money back when I shouldn't have to. I'm not going to scam the bank so you can steal from me. If you're telling me now to contact the bank and dispute since as you say in my case I'm actually right(your words) that means you know I've never disputed this transaction and you know damn well why I haven't. The bank called me to verify I authorized this transaction, thus making it impossible for me to dispute this charge. If you were at all interested in making this right you would of looked into it already or made it right because you know damn well you stole from me and I haven't gotten any of the funds back releated to this. In fact, I had to pay the other guys out of my pocket for the box they paid me for. I'm out damn near double on this.....

[THERATTLER]

THIS IS DIRECTED TO kyspeedparts

you know , I must be stupid or something , but I still can't figure this out...he paid you for parts , RIGHT?
you never sent parts , RIGHT?
did at any point in time did you send him his money back??
did pay pal take money from your account for him?
if the answer to the last two is no , then you must still have his money...
even if pay pal or his credit card company settled with him doesnt mean you can keep the money..
forgive me for being stupid , but I have yet seen a direct answer to the last two questions ,, help me out here
in other words what happened to the money you recieved from him???

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Mopar, I never said that he didn't pay for the parts via PayPal. He did pay for these via PayPal, but when I spoke to them several months ago, they said that he had gotten his money back through his cc company and then in turn, I would have to pay back PayPal. I don't mind giving refunds, but I sure can't afford to do it twice.what do you mean twice??? You are on record as saying you never refunded me anything? Get your lies straight Dwight. When did you refund me anything since you can't afford to do it twice, I'm still waiting on the 1st one and that will be enough for me.

[kyspeedparts]

Maniac, he did in fact pay for part and he did not recieve any parts from us. I currently have a dispute going on with PayPal. Now, they had informed me that he had recieved his money back from PayPal via the dispute he started with his cc company. His cc company took the money back from PayPal which in turn would take it back from me. I don't deny the transaction happened, but like I stated previously, I am not going to pay for this twice. I am in dispute with PayPal at this time, because they are trying to collect money from me for parts that I have already sent to customers. If twinfoggersbc can prove with a statement from the bank that he had not been refunded, then I will gladly make this right and write an apology to him. I am not hard to get along. Just get me a statement. I will be contacting PayPal over this and will post my findings.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

As you can see from the email Paypal sent me they tried to take my money from his account but they were unable to recover any of my funds which left me with NOTHING on this ordeal. He had already deposited my money along with about $1300 more according to him. He took the money and ran before Paypal was able to take it back. He's claiming Paypal took the money from him yet my email proves there was no money to take, since he had already deposited into his acct which he confirmed.

[THERATTLER]

STILL DIDNT ANSWER THE QUESTION ,,,Where is the money he sent you???have you given it to ANYBODY???YES OR NO?

[itsabird]

STILL DIDNT ANSWER THE QUESTION ,,,Where is the money he sent you???have you given it to ANYBODY???YES OR NO?i think you are going in the right direction maniac.

[kyspeedparts]

Ky Speed would have the money because of the dispute with PayPal has not been settled. If anything were to be owed, it would be to PayPal, which is an entirely different matter. If we owe twinfoggersbc, we will take care of it.

[slowmotion]

Why did he have to file a dispute with his cc? Why didn't you just refund his money in the first place?

[Harbone]

Ky Speed would have the money because of the dispute with PayPal has not been settled. If anything were to be owed, it would be to PayPal, which is an entirely different matter. If we owe twinfoggersbc, we will take care of it.

well the story changes now, guess I owe an apology to twinfoggersbc. sorry dude... :?

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Ky Speed would have the money because of the dispute with PayPal has not been settled. If anything were to be owed, it would be to PayPal, which is an entirely different matter. If we owe twinfoggersbc, we will take care of it.who do you think you're kidding? Seriously? Paypal disputes don't take that long and they have already said you took all the money out of your acct which is why they weren't able to recover any funds for me. You have admitted you deposited my money along with about $1300 more in your acct. Thus stealing the money before Paypal could take it. This case with me is cut and dry, you stole my money and YOU owe me $3320.

[mopar1968]

Well it is clear to me that you do in fact owe someone, Either twinfoggersbc or paypal :!: :!: So my question is if you know [In your own words] do in fact owe one or the other why in the heck don't you pay them :!: :!: So do i Chris, sorry twinfogger :!: :!:



''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

[kyspeedparts]

One other thing that confuses me a little, twinfoggersbc state to me in a pm that he wanted a refund or the four boxes that he ordered. Later in this thread, he stated he had to pay back his friends with money out of his pocket. Now if he paid his friends back for the boxes, why would he need them. Why wouldn't he just ask for the money back?

[THERATTLER]

Ky Speed would have the money because of the dispute with PayPal has not been settled. If anything were to be owed, it would be to PayPal, which is an entirely different matter. If we owe twinfoggersbc, we will take care of it.
Thats all I was trying to clear up , whether or not ky still has the mans money ,,not your money , you didn't send out a product for it..real simple...you said you couldn't afford to pay twice , if you still have it then you havn't paid once yet...
you get money for parts
you send no parts
you refund no money
CASE CLOSED

[TwinFoggerSBC]

No apologies needed. Its kinda easy to look over the facts with all that was said. If any of you has ever dealt with Paypal you know that disputes don't take that long to settle. This happened back on June 1st. I filed a dispute with Paypal a few days after. I think we all know this dispute has been settled. My email proves they settled my dispute quickly and in my favor but kyspeedparts as Dwight confirmed and verified had already deposited my money and about $1300 of others into his acct and Paypal weren't able to recover any of my funds from him because of this. As someone else asked you maybe you will answer this time. If you chose NOT to do business with me why didn't YOU just refund my money Dwight??

[kyspeedparts]

When we were opperating our eBay store, one of the first things done was to go into PayPal and deposit our balance into the bank, which I think is common practice. We didn't shut down our PayPal account until sometime after all of this went down. He filed a dispute because that's what he intended to do all along. I didn't say he should have to, he just did. I will pay PayPal when they straighten things out with me, but again that is a totally different subject.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

One other thing that confuses me a little, twinfoggersbc state to me in a pm that he wanted a refund or the four boxes that he ordered. Later in this thread, he stated he had to pay back his friends with money out of his pocket. Now if he paid his friends back for the boxes, why would he need them. Why wouldn't he just ask for the money back?because as I've done this whole time. I've tried to help you and give you the benefit of the doubt cause I realize people have family issues sometimes and since I did order from you before and things went smooth that you were at some point a good seller but not anymore apparently and I know it would be cheaper for you to just give me what I paid you for. Not to mention I had to regain trust with those guys because they thought initially that I was trying to screw them over on these boxes.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

When we were opperating our eBay store, one of the first things done was to go into PayPal and deposit our balance into the bank, which I think is common practice. We didn't shut down our PayPal account until sometime after all of this went down. He filed a dispute because that's what he intended to do all along. I didn't say he should have to, he just did. I will pay PayPal when they straighten things out with me, but again that is a totally different subject.answer to the facts Dwight. As someone else asked you, why didn't YOU just refund me if you chose not to do business with me. Why didn't YOU refund me during the dispute? And you're still using Paypal to my knowledge, you opened another acct then I see? Is there any doubt now that this guy is a thief and a crook?

[kyspeedparts]

No apologies needed. Its kinda easy to look over the facts with all that was said. If any of you has ever dealt with Paypal you know that disputes don't take that long to settle. This happened back on June 1st. I filed a dispute with Paypal a few days after. I think we all know this dispute has been settled. My email proves they settled my dispute quickly and in my favor but kyspeedparts as Dwight confirmed and verified had already deposited my money and about $1300 of others into his acct and Paypal weren't able to recover any of my funds from him because of this. As someone else asked you maybe you will answer this time. If you chose NOT to do business with me why didn't YOU just refund my money Dwight??

You stated that you disputed this a "few days after". Why would someone file a dispute just a few days after a purchase. Normally, a guy will wait at least a week or two to file a dispute. Come on. You filed a dispute because you had every intention of doing so from the get go, just like you did the first time. We just decided not to do it the second time. Twinfoggersbc, if you haven't been refunded by your cc company, I will make it right, but if I'm not mistaken, it would have to go through PayPal to be done because they are the ones you initially paid. Again, I will get with them to find out. I will do my part on my end.

[mopar1968]

Well like i have said you do owe someone, and you need to stop running around the bush and do the right thing Pay who you owe, Either twinfogger or paypal :!: :!:



''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

[THERATTLER]

Mr. Dwight , I don't know you or have never done business with you , but if a man pays for a product and you don't ship the product and you still have the mans money months later , then something is not right with you business practices,,,this is my opinion from the facts I have read on this forum , I think you need to do whatever it takes to settle this with fogger TODAY to help clear your name of your business..If not then it looks very bad for you business...alot of people WORLD wide read this forum... like I said this is just MY opinon..Paul

[kyspeedparts]

You guys understand that if his cc company has already given him back his money and I pay him as well, then he has gotten me for 3320.00? I appreciate everyones input and I will investigate and hopefully have an answer by the end of the day.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

No apologies needed. Its kinda easy to look over the facts with all that was said. If any of you has ever dealt with Paypal you know that disputes don't take that long to settle. This happened back on June 1st. I filed a dispute with Paypal a few days after. I think we all know this dispute has been settled. My email proves they settled my dispute quickly and in my favor but kyspeedparts as Dwight confirmed and verified had already deposited my money and about $1300 of others into his acct and Paypal weren't able to recover any of my funds from him because of this. As someone else asked you maybe you will answer this time. If you chose NOT to do business with me why didn't YOU just refund my money Dwight??

You stated that you disputed this a "few days after". Why would someone file a dispute just a few days after a purchase. Normally, a guy will wait at least a week or two to file a dispute. Come on. You filed a dispute because you had every intention of doing so from the get go, just like you did the first time. We just decided not to do it the second time. Twinfoggersbc, if you haven't been refunded by your cc company, I will make it right, but if I'm not mistaken, it would have to go through PayPal to be done because they are the ones you initially paid. Again, I will get with them to find out. I will do my part on my end.I filed a dispute because I paid you for overnite shipping and you didn't deliver and apparently never had the intentions of doing so. I don't do business with Paypal anymore. Nor do I have the same bank so refunding thru Paypal won't amount to anything and you know it. You are a crook and a thief and everyone knows it. You won't answer to any of the facts of this matter either. You know I didn't dispute this with my bank because you told me thru PM that I should cause people do it all the time.

[slowmotion]

You stated that you disputed this a "few days after". Why would someone file a dispute just a few days after a purchase. Normally, a guy will wait at least a week or two to file a dispute. Come on. You filed a dispute because you had every intention of doing so from the get go, just like you did the first time. We just decided not to do it the second time. Twinfoggersbc, if you haven't been refunded by your cc company, I will make it right, but if I'm not mistaken, it would have to go through PayPal to be done because they are the ones you initially paid. Again, I will get with them to find out. I will do my part on my end.

http://www.stlsr.com/forums/images/smilies/banghead.gif

When he disputed the transaction, Why didn't you didn't you refund the money to paypal and be done with it? They would've refunded his money and it would've been done.

[mopar1968]

I doubt it :!: :!: :roll: :roll: Still be running around the bush this time next week :!: :!:




''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

[TwinFoggerSBC]

You stated that you disputed this a "few days after". Why would someone file a dispute just a few days after a purchase. Normally, a guy will wait at least a week or two to file a dispute. Come on. You filed a dispute because you had every intention of doing so from the get go, just like you did the first time. We just decided not to do it the second time. Twinfoggersbc, if you haven't been refunded by your cc company, I will make it right, but if I'm not mistaken, it would have to go through PayPal to be done because they are the ones you initially paid. Again, I will get with them to find out. I will do my part on my end.

http://www.stlsr.com/forums/images/smilies/banghead.gif

When he disputed the transaction, Why didn't you didn't you refund the money to paypal and be done with it? They would've refunded his money and it would've been done.BINGO. And how is he still using Paypal? Did he sign up for a new acct or what since as he said he is having a dispute with them now that's not been settled when this happened back in June. Paypal settles disputes pretty quickly.

[THERATTLER]

You guys understand that if his cc company has already given him back his money and I pay him as well, then he has gotten me for 3320.00? I appreciate everyones input and I will investigate and hopefully have an answer by the end of the day.

sorry , that makes no sense , how is returning money someone paid you ,,"GETTING TOOK" you would only be out the money he gave you to start with...

[kyspeedparts]

You disputed it because your intention was to not to have to pay for the boxes. Just like the first time. Are you telling me that you did not dispute your purchase the first time you ordered from me. I clearly remember seeing the money taken back out of my account that following Monday. Luckily I had already verified it with PayPal and they gave me my money back. I will find those records as well. You had those four boxes overnighted as well. Why so many and why overnight. The only thing I am trying to do here guys is show a pattern. I don't think I am beating around the bush, like I said, if I'm wrong, I will make it right.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Another thing.....Dwight didn't you say that Paypal took the money from you and then you just said that kyspeedparts has MY money.....which is it Dwight? Get your lies straight......

[kyspeedparts]

You guys understand that if his cc company has already given him back his money and I pay him as well, then he has gotten me for 3320.00? I appreciate everyones input and I will investigate and hopefully have an answer by the end of the day.

sorry , that makes no sense , how is returning money someone paid you ,,"GETTING TOOK" you would only be out the money he gave you to start with...

It would be getting took if he was already paid back by PayPal or his cc company. If anyone is owed, it would be PayPal. If I pay him and he had been refunded, then that means he keeps his 3300 and gets my 3300.00.

[slowmotion]

You guys understand that if his cc company has already given him back his money and I pay him as well, then he has gotten me for 3320.00? I appreciate everyones input and I will investigate and hopefully have an answer by the end of the day.

sorry , that makes no sense , how is returning money someone paid you ,,"GETTING TOOK" you would only be out the money he gave you to start with...

It would be getting took if he was already paid back by PayPal or his cc company. If anyone is owed, it would be PayPal. If I pay him and he had been refunded, then that means he keeps his 3300 and gets my 3300.00.

NOOOO you would be the one "Taking" somebody. You have $3320 for parts you never sent out!

[TwinFoggerSBC]

You disputed it because your intention was to not to have to pay for the boxes. Just like the first time. Are you telling me that you did not dispute your purchase the first time you ordered from me. I clearly remember seeing the money taken back out of my account that following Monday. Luckily I had already verified it with PayPal and they gave me my money back. I will find those records as well. You had those four boxes overnighted as well. Why so many and why overnight. The only thing I am trying to do here guys is show a pattern. I don't think I am beating around the bush, like I said, if I'm wrong, I will make it right.BS Dwight. I disputed it because you didn't deliver on what I paid you for. And disputing it with Paypal garauntees the buyer NOTHING if the seller steals the money like you did. So what did it I get out of my dispute with Paypal? NOTHING, what can't you understand. No I didn't dispute the 1st time, I used an Instant Transfer the 1st time which went thru my bank and not debit card. So stop with the lies and BS....and if you had that trouble on the 1st order why didn't you ever contact me about it? Why didn't you tell me when I contacted you for the 2nd order that you had those issues and wasn't doing business with me? You never said anything but we discussed the order and I paid you. Why not refund me immediately? Why accept money to begin with? Why not refund me during the dispute with Paypal? Why did you put MY money into your acct knowing as you said you chose NOT to do business with me? So many questions, very few answers from you Dwight. I wasn't ordering these for me, they were for friends and other racers I knew.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Another thing.....Dwight didn't you say that Paypal took the money from you and then you just said that kyspeedparts has MY money.....which is it Dwight? Get your lies straight......answers please Dwight...

[Scorpion1110]

Lets try this:

Fogger:

When you set up paypal for a payment transaction; you can designate one of three methods:

1) you can have Paypal charge your checking acoount, or

2) you can have Paypal charge your credit card,

3) you can use your Paypal balance.

You had to do one of these; which one? there are no other choices either your account, your paypal balance or your CC.

If we get the exact answers, I am going to bet the liar becomes real clear, becsuse since Fogger and KYSpeed are both saying different things about a transaction both were party to; logically we have some one who isnt telling the truth.

So Fogger please answer the question above; you are on the Forum at eaxatly the time I posted this- so now would be a good time.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Dwight has already made things crystal clear here for everyone. The 1st order I ever done with him it was an Instant Transfer which is set up to come out of my bank acct as everyone who knows or has dealt with Paypal knows. The 2nd time I ordered parts from him they charged my debit card.

[Scorpion1110]

Dwight has already made things crystal clear here for everyone. The 1st order I ever done with him it was an Instant Transfer which is set up to come out of my bank acct as everyone who knows or has dealt with Paypal knows. The 2nd time I ordered parts from him they charged my debit card.

I dont think so on the second transaction. Either they bumped your checking account balance through the bank (this is the link you set up with them where they deposit the pennies in your account and request you verify), or you used up your electronic balance with them, or you paid him by designating a link to your credit card.

A debit card would be linked to your checking account or possibly savings.

So by saying that it hit your debit card; are you saying that the $3320 was removed from your checking account?

Really this is a yes or no question.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

I have been pretty consistent here...answered all questions truthfully as well answer them quickly....Dwight on the other hand has not been consistent at all....

[Scorpion1110]

I have been pretty consistent here...answered all questions truthfully as well answer them quickly....Dwight on the other hand has not been consistent at all....

Fogger- I really dont care about Dwight on this question.

Could you just answer it? here at this point?

Did Paypal pull this from your checking or savings account?

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Debit card transactions come straight from my checking acct like most others. There's nothing different about mine. They took the $3320 off immediately. The 1st time it was debited from my bank acct within a day or so but there was no issues on the 1st order. The 2nd order is the 1 in question.

[Scorpion1110]

Debit card transactions come straight from my checking acct like most others. There's nothing different about mine. They took the $3320 off immediately. The 1st time it was debited from my bank acct within a day or so but there was no issues on the 1st order. The 2nd order is the 1 in question.

Dwight- you owe Fogger $3320. Pretty simple- no excuses.

He was directly debited by Paypal, amount went to your Paypal account, you withdrew it and then Paypal couldnt charge you back. You likely closed your account after.

He could not dispute a CC since it wasnt used. And btw, even if he did- your deal was through Paypal, so how he paid theoretically wasnt relevant- if he had gotten it twice; that was the CC's issue to go after him not yours.

You owe him and you will lose in court-

Fogger:

Using the Paypal transaction ID or pulling the statement the bank sent you while you were a customer and this transaction occurred, use the picture posting instructions under general discussion on this site. Post that report for back-up documentation.

Dwight pay him - you owe him $3320 plus interest- no question.

[dragonmaster093]

ok been seeing this go on for some time made a couple coments seems to some degree i was wrong heres my opinion if twin collected back from bank and bank got it from paypal then kentucky speed gives money to paypal if proven that money never returned by bank and proven so then i concur with scorp and pay the man and some interest but in my opinion until proof by both parties is given up then gonna go on forever as on big pissing match

[TwinFoggerSBC]

What more proof do I need? Kyspeedparts said he has my money. He said he never refunded me or sent the parts. What else do I need to do? Dwight knows he owe me $3320. Dwight has already said that he closed his Paypal acct and that he deposited my money into his acct. Pretty cut and dry. This happened in June. He has $3320 of mine. He has already said that.

[dragonmaster093]

call me old fashion but i like hard prrof bank statements corrisondence with bank on out come ect. and if you are proven right by hard evedence i will be here personally saying sorry and eating crow for making a mistake

[TwinFoggerSBC]

I filed a dispute with Paypal, not my bank. I never contacted them about this transaction. They called me right when I did the transaction so they could verify it was me that authorized this transaction. Once I authorized it I could never dispute it. I authorized the charge. They wouldn't release the funds to Paypal til after they talked to me. Dwight knows this because I contacted him after they called me. And he confirmed that he had the money and everything was cool yet he never sent the parts. I then called him and he gave me his word it could go out in the morning. Never showed up, I filed a dispute with Paypal and didn't get a dime back as you can see from the email I received from Paypal because Kyspeedparts had already stolen the money by depositing it into his acct as he also confirmed on here. Kyspeedparts said he has my money. He claims its an on going dispute going with Paypal that's apparently has been going on since June. Call me old fasion but that sounds like BS to me. It hasn't stopped him from doing business with Paypal and continuing to use it to run his business.

[kyspeedparts]

Your debit card works just like a regular cc. You can dispute payments with it the same way. I know your lying about not disputing the first charges because the card was tied to an apartment address. It was disputed as soon as you recieved the parts, but I'm not even going to dwell on that. If you give me a little time here, I will have an answer from PayPal. I'm not and havn't avoided any answers and think I have covered everything for you fogger.

[slowmotion]

Sounds like ky owes $3320 to paypal. Paypal would in return pay you. That way is is processed back exactly the way ky recieved it. Paypal would then show it was taken care of and not have it hanging out there forever as unresolved.

edited for my poor typing :?

[blownalky3]

Dwight
You owe the man his money. I know exactly how you pulled this off because I do the same with all my paypal stuff. I remove money from my paypal only bank account so it can't be hacked and me lose all that is in that account. You move money the same, except for maybe a different purpose than I. It has become real clear here you owe the guy and you are just getting deeper and deeper. If you pay him his money I am sure he will contact paypal and dismiss this claim therefor you won't be paying twice. After all, you have this thread of 300 messages to verify your side if he does what you already did, SCAM THE SYSTEM. You are nuts if you think anybody believes you don't remember stealing $3320 from someone you assumed had bad intentions. He paid the first time AND THE SECOND TIME.

NOW PAY THE MAN AND MAKE THIS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kyspeedparts]

Everyone, I just got off the phone with PayPal. I spoke with a representative named Leanna, employee id # 41853. She tells me exactly what I have told everyone...twinfoggersbc did file a dispute with his bank, his bank in turn filed a dispute with PayPal. PayPal in turn tried to pull the money back out of our account but there was a zero balance. Therefore they had no choice but to pay back the the cc company the 3320.00 he spent because he did not recieve any merchandise. He is a liar and a thief and I want an appology from him. I am including an e-mail attatchment that I just recieved back from PayPal stating that his money was refunded to him. Whether I owe PayPal or not is not the issue, the issue is that this guy is trying to give my business a bad name. He is the liar and the crook. I have been working with PayPal to pay them back and have not taken a PayPal payment probably since June of last year. Please read this carefully. Thanks to everyone for your support.

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Hello Dwight Workman,

As you know, we have been using the information you provided to dispute a
chargeback filed against the transaction detailed below. Despite our best
efforts, the buyer's credit card company decided in favor of the buyer.

Unfortunately, we do not control the outcome of the chargeback decision
reached by the buyer's issuing bank in a credit card transaction. By
accepting the terms of the PayPal User Agreement, you agreed to accept the
decision of the issuing bank as final and legally binding for this type of
dispute.

Please review the information below for more details about this case.

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Details of Disputed Transaction
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Buyer's name: J Harper
Buyer's email: [email protected]
Transaction ID: 58V43533SC866350C

Transaction date: Jun 1, 2009
Transaction amount: -$3,320.00 USD
Case #: PP-732-695-982
Your transaction ID: 21V662725K513211V


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What to Do Next
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We encourage you to contact the buyer directly to try to resolve the matter
or to recover your merchandise.

If your PayPal account balance is negative because of this payment
reversal, please reimburse us by adding funds to your account or by sending
a check to the following address:

PayPal
Attn: Accounting Department
P.O. Box 45950
Omaha, NE 68145-0950
United States
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Due Dates
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None.


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There are no other details regarding this transaction at this time.


Thanks for your patience and cooperation. We appreciate your business.
Thanks,

PayPal
Chargeback Department

Please do not reply to this email. This mailbox is not monitored and you
will not receive a response. For assistance, log in to your PayPal account
and click the Help link in the top right corner of any PayPal page.

To review the PayPal User Agreement, visit the PayPal site and click the
"User Agreement" link on the bottom of any page.
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[Scorpion1110]

Sounds like ky owes $3320 to paypal. Paypal would in return pay you. That way is is processed back exactly the way ky recieved it. Paypal would then show it was taken care of and not have it hanging out there forever as unresolved.

edited for my poor typing :?

Slow- Dead on.

KySpeed owes $3320 to Fogger. What Fogger may have done with his bank is NOT RELEVANT and Debit cards DO NOT work like CC's. Sorry KYSpeed that argument doesnt float.

1) Fogger authorized paypal to disburse funds to KY Speed, he received them.
2) KySpeed does one of two things 1) ships item, or 2) refunds money.
3) He did neither by his own admission.

Dwight you know as soon as he authorized paypal to pay you, the money was pulled from his account- thats how it works.

So heres your questions dwight:

1) Did you get $3320 from Fogger? (Yes or No)
2) Did you ship an item? (yes or no)
3) Did you withdraw $3320 from your paypal account? (yes or no)

If you didnt ship the item and if you didnt return the cash, then when fogger gets you in court the judge is going to take a little bite out of your hiney.

BTW if you got the money through paypal, then what difference does it make what he does with his bank? You already have the cash and you didnt ship anything. When you put it back in your account then paypal reclaims it and sends it back to him.

youre not dealing with a credit card company - he cant dispute it with them and if he does then they go after Paypal- not you- and paypal wont have anything to take out of your account.

Pretty slick Dwight

[blownalky3]

I need more than that. Especially since they specifically said "they could not recover any funds" and will try if the funds become available. Your account is closed, therefor availability will be NEVER. It still speaks to your character that after all this time you still have not cleared up your paypal mess.

I also won a dispute from paypal from a set of headers from eBay. The gentelman from Wisconsin scammed me. I got my money from my credit card refunded for winning. They (paypal) promptly took the money from my backup source, MY BANK ACCOUNT.

Ball is squarely in your court to explain why you do business the way you do???
You clearly owe one of the two???? WHICH ONE

You are either a crappy businessman or a not so smart scammer?????

[TwinFoggerSBC]

You are so full of shit you stink Dwight, its funny you come up with all of this now and not when this first came up with. I haven't gotten 1 dime from you and you know it. You owe me $3320 and you think I'm going to give you an apology for you stealing $3320 from me? Are you kidding me? You me $3320 but I'm supposd to apologize to you because you stole from me. You are a thief and stole from me and YOU have the money and have admitted it. You have an ongoing dispute with Paypal that's been going on since June? Riiiight.

[kyspeedparts]

blownalky3, it says "We encourage you to contact the buyer directly to try to resolve the matter
or to recover your merchandise.

If your PayPal account balance is negative because of this payment
reversal, please reimburse us by adding funds to your account or by sending
a check to the following address:"

It cleary says that his money was given back to him via his cc dispute. PayPal says he used a cc. Again, debit cards work the same way. It say "we encourage you to contact the buyer to resolve this matter or to recover your merchandise". That means he was refunded his money. Wether I own PayPal or not has nothing to do with fogger. He was paid back. I owe PayPal and have been on a repayment plan with them.

[THERATTLER]

I don't see anything on that , that says anybody was reimbursed anything ..
FOGGER , I want to ask you one question , don't blow up .just answer it yes or no , please..
did you ever recieve this money back from ANYBODY?? NOT ASKING DOES HE STILL HAVE THE MONEY , , BUT DID YOU OR YOUR BANK EVER RECIEVE MONIES BACK ON THIS DEAL AT ANY TIME , FROM ANYBODY???REAL SIMPLE , YES OR NO,,,,THANKS

[kyspeedparts]

You are so full of s you stink Dwight, its funny you come up with all of this now and not when this first came up with. I haven't gotten 1 dime from you and you know it. You owe me $3320 and you think I'm going to give you an apology for you stealing $3320 from me? Are you kidding me? You me $3320 but I'm supposd to apologize to you because you stole from me. You are a thief and stole from me and YOU have the money and have admitted it. You have an ongoing dispute with Paypal that's been going on since June? Riiiight.

Your the one that asked me for proof. I did my part. Now where is your statement from your cc company saying that you didn't receive the money from PayPal? Come, help me out here. If you didn't get your money back from your cc company, it may be woth you contacting them. That's worth 3320.00 isn't it? Contact PayPal. I posted the ladies name and employeed number. What else would you like me to do? Come on man...

[TwinFoggerSBC]

So the story changes again Dwight? You're an obvious crook and everyone has figured it out. So now you're on a reimbursement plan? Its funny you haven't mentioned that til now. Stop with the lies. Also earlier you said Paypal took the money from you already and then you said that kyspeedparts had MY MONEY. Which is it? You're a liar and its clear. If Paypal already took the money why are you on a reimbursment plan? Get your lies straight...

[kyspeedparts]

I don't see anything on that , that says anybody was reimbursed anything ..
FOGGER , I want to ask you one question , don't blow up .just answer it yes or no , please..
did you ever recieve this money back from ANYBODY?? NOT ASKING DOES HE STILL HAVE THE MONEY , , BUT DID YOU OR YOUR BANK EVER RECIEVE MONIES BACK ON THIS DEAL AT ANY TIME , FROM ANYBODY???REAL SIMPLE , YES OR NO,,,,THANKS

If your PayPal account balance is negative because of this payment
reversal, please reimburse us by adding funds to your account or by sending
a check to the following address:

PayPal
Attn: Accounting Department
P.O. Box 45950
Omaha, NE 68145-0950
United States


I think this says that I need to reimburse PP. They had already paid his cc company back.

[kyspeedparts]

So the story changes again Dwight? You're an obvious crook and everyone has figured it out. So now you're on a reimbursement plan? Its funny you haven't mentioned that til now. Stop with the lies. Also earlier you said Paypal took the money from you already and then you said that kyspeedparts had MY MONEY. Which is it? You're a liar and its clear. If Paypal already took the money why are you on a reimbursment plan? Get your lies straight...

Why don't you stop beating around the bush. I gave my proof. Where's yours?! Call PayPal and talk to your own representative. Have them send you an e-mail saying your weren't reimbursed. It took me all of 15 minutes to find out and get an e-mail confirmation.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

I never received anything back for this transaction. I filed a dispute with Paypal and he had already stolen the money so they weren't able to recover any of my funds. I stopped doing business with that bank right after that. There was no money he stole it. Paypal didn't have anything to give me, Dwight had already stole the money. He knows what he did. And if after that Had Dwight made things right I figure my bank would of contacted me had Paypal gave them any money on my behalf since I closed my acct with them. I wouldn't be going thru this had I got my money Dwight stole.

[mytmouz]

I don't see anything on that , that says anybody was reimbursed anything ..
FOGGER , I want to ask you one question , don't blow up .just answer it yes or no , please..
did you ever recieve this money back from ANYBODY?? NOT ASKING DOES HE STILL HAVE THE MONEY , , BUT DID YOU OR YOUR BANK EVER RECIEVE MONIES BACK ON THIS DEAL AT ANY TIME , FROM ANYBODY???REAL SIMPLE , YES OR NO,,,,THANKS

Fogger, we need an answer to this please. A simple yes or no, if You were reimbursed by a credit card company, then you have no funds to gain here...

[kyspeedparts]

Since you don't use that bank or cc company anymore, you may want to contact them. I think it's worth the 3320.00. They may still have it, who knows. What I know is that you have been paid back and as far as my "payment plan" with PayPal, that's my business. Why didn't you post this on YellowBullett? You know they would have ripped you a new ass.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

I've already posted the email I got from Paypal and it clearly says they decided in my favor yet they weren't able o recover any funds because YOU STOLE them.....what can't you understand here? There was NO money to reimburse me you had already stole it.

[THERATTLER]

THANK YOU FOGGER

[mytmouz]

I don't see anything on that , that says anybody was reimbursed anything ..
FOGGER , I want to ask you one question , don't blow up .just answer it yes or no , please..
did you ever recieve this money back from ANYBODY?? NOT ASKING DOES HE STILL HAVE THE MONEY , , BUT DID YOU OR YOUR BANK EVER RECIEVE MONIES BACK ON THIS DEAL AT ANY TIME , FROM ANYBODY???REAL SIMPLE , YES OR NO,,,,THANKS

If your PayPal account balance is negative because of this payment
reversal, please reimburse us by adding funds to your account or by sending
a check to the following address:

PayPal
Attn: Accounting Department
P.O. Box 45950
Omaha, NE 68145-0950
United States


I think this says that I need to reimburse PP. They had already paid his cc company back.

As for you Kentucky Speed, this part of the transaction is a generic response. As your account with Paypal is now closed, then yes, you will have a negative balance that you need to address with Paypal. As the reimbursement to Twin Fogger is not completed due to a closed account. It doesn't state anywhere on the part you copied that the money had been returned...

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Dwight I don't care about Yellowbullet, believe me I give them just as much shit as they try to give them. Do you think I care about how they feel about me? That's not the issue here. The issue here is that you're a crook and a thief. That's the issue here and its been proven. Your story has changed quite a few times...and its ridiculous. 1 story after another. You could of easily ended this mess by NOT depositing money into your bank acct if you knew you had no intentions of sending me what I paid you for or refunding me as soon as I filed the dispute with Paypal. You did neither you stole the money. That much is clear....

[kyspeedparts]

I will be out of town starting tomorrow. I will pick back up on this on Monday. Dwight.

[mytmouz]

I don't see anything on that , that says anybody was reimbursed anything ..
FOGGER , I want to ask you one question , don't blow up .just answer it yes or no , please..
did you ever recieve this money back from ANYBODY?? NOT ASKING DOES HE STILL HAVE THE MONEY , , BUT DID YOU OR YOUR BANK EVER RECIEVE MONIES BACK ON THIS DEAL AT ANY TIME , FROM ANYBODY???REAL SIMPLE , YES OR NO,,,,THANKS

If your PayPal account balance is negative because of this payment
reversal, please reimburse us by adding funds to your account or by sending
a check to the following address:

PayPal
Attn: Accounting Department
P.O. Box 45950
Omaha, NE 68145-0950
United States


I think this says that I need to reimburse PP. They had already paid his cc company back.

As for you Kentucky Speed, this part of the transaction is a generic response. As your account with Paypal is now closed, then yes, you will have a negative balance that you need to address with Paypal. As the reimbursement to Twin Fogger is not completed due to a closed account. It doesn't state anywhere on the part you copied that the money had been returned...

Awaiting your response...

[TwinFoggerSBC]

I will be out of town starting tomorrow. I will pick back up on this on Monday. Dwight.

Youre a crook and a thief, what is there to pick back up? You have been exposed as a crook and a thief....

[slowmotion]

OK like I posted BEFORE

Fogger, would you be happy if KY paid $3320 to Paypal?

[blownalky3]

OK so 12 pages later Kyjelly now admits he has an ongoing dispute with paypal, which later turns into I am making payments to paypal and it's nobodys business. Does it bother any one else that Ky is sloooooly regaining his memory as the world turns..........upside down on him???

My conclusion is you are either a Rattler or a Gardener but for sure a snake

Fogger, I hope you get reimbursed for your loss and he gets what is coming to him

[TwinFoggerSBC]

OK like I posted BEFORE

Fogger, would you be happy if KY paid $3320 to Paypal?

I would be happy with what I sent the guy. I dont trust that Paypal would give me my funds. After I thought about it and Paypal told me that they werent able to recover my funds....what about the fee they charged that went right to their acct? Shouldnt they have been able to recover that for me? I know its not much but saying they werent able to recover ANY funds when they got their cut right off the top doesnt really sit well with me. I dont trust Dwight or Paypal. I paid him for items and he never delivered on them or refunded me, he has stated as much.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

OK so 12 pages later Kyjelly now admits he has an ongoing dispute with paypal, which later turns into I am making payments to paypal and it's nobodys business. Does it bother any one else that Ky is sloooooly regaining his memory as the world turns..........upside down on him???

My conclusion is you are either a Rattler or a Gardener but for sure a snake

Fogger, I hope you get reimbursed for your loss and he gets what is coming to him

Exactly...his story has changed so much its ridiculous. Paypal took the money from him at first and then when cornered he says that kyspeedparts has my money and not Paypal. Now he is making payments to Paypal? the guy is a thief....

[THERATTLER]

what I dont understand is what is he making payments FOR? if paypal hasn't paid you , then why would he owe them money??

[TwinFoggerSBC]

what I dont understand is what is he making payments FOR? if paypal hasn't paid you , then why would he owe them money??

i have no idea. he had a whole lot of negative feedback around that time on ebay....maybe everyone else filed a dispute with him on Paypal too. i dont know

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=kyspeedparts&ftab=AllFeedback&sspagename=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1183

he claims that he has my money now. he also claimed that Paypal took it from him. if they took it from him as he said. then how does he still have it? the guy is a liar and a thief. my email from paypal clearly says they werent able to get my money from him. he claimed they had already taken the money from him.

[slowmotion]

OK here's my opinion. If foggers money had NOT been refunded he wouldn't care how it came back to him. He would let paypal handle it. I wonder if he doesn't want paypal to get it because he's going to double dip. Get paid twice. Once by his bank and then again from ky.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

OK here's my opinion. If foggers money had NOT been refunded he wouldn't care how it came back to him. He would let paypal handle it. I wonder if he doesn't want paypal to get it because he's going to double dip. Get paid twice. Once by his bank and then again from ky.

why am I to believe Paypal would give me money when I think they are just as wrong as kyspeedparts is in this mess?

[MEMRACING62]

IT SEEMS THAT TWO LESS THAN HONORABLE PEOPLE HAVE MET IN THE SAME DEAL BASED ON WHAT I SEE ABOUT THERE PASTED DEALINGS. JMO

[TwinFoggerSBC]

i dont do business with paypal for this very transaction. how they just gone let the guy steal from me and not do anything. how can they not recover anything when they get a percentage off the top. at the least why not return that? they are just as bad as kyspeedparts in my opinion. i honestly have no faith in either. if i can get 1 person to change their opinion and not buy from kyspeedparts then its alright with me. im not expecting any money from kyspeedparts. they are crooks and a thief. thats not my mission at this point. my mission is to destroy their business so they wont get to take someone else like they took me. i never filed a dispute with my bank. i filed it with paypal. my bank wont be giving me anything. i authorized this transaction. they called me to verify it before they released the funds to paypal and before paypal released the funds to kyspeedparts.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

IT SEEMS THAT TWO LESS THAN HONORABLE PEOPLE HAVE MET IN THE SAME DEAL BASED ON WHAT I SEE ABOUT THERE PASTED DEALINGS. JMO

past dealings has nothing to do with this transaction. the facts are clear on this transaction.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

if theres anyone i owe on here or any where else...tll them post up. you arent going to find anyone because i have no debts.

[dragonmaster093]

IT SEEMS THAT TWO LESS THAN HONORABLE PEOPLE HAVE MET IN THE SAME DEAL BASED ON WHAT I SEE ABOUT THERE PASTED DEALINGS. JMO

past dealings has nothing to do with this transaction. the facts are clear on this transaction.


hmmm that last statement says alot think that both had some issues but fogger got his money back "doesnt bank at that bank" is an excuse for i got paid and now want to get paid twice. so if kentucky making right with paypal (where the money came from) then he is making it happen. and since they(paypal) say it went neg when when bank/cc refunded money personally think its being handled and twinfogger just butt hurt cause he cant double dip. hell if it was me there would be AG/DA cops and everyone else cause i aint given 3300 buck up with out a fight since no legal actions taken makes me think double dipper

[TwinFoggerSBC]

IT SEEMS THAT TWO LESS THAN HONORABLE PEOPLE HAVE MET IN THE SAME DEAL BASED ON WHAT I SEE ABOUT THERE PASTED DEALINGS. JMO

past dealings has nothing to do with this transaction. the facts are clear on this transaction.


hmmm that last statement says alot think that both had some issues but fogger got his money back "doesnt bank at that bank" is an excuse for i got paid and now want to get paid twice. so if kentucky making right with paypal (where the money came from) then he is making it happen. and since they(paypal) say it went neg when when bank/cc refunded money personally think its being handled and twinfogger just butt hurt cause he cant double dip. hell if it was me there would be AG/DA cops and everyone else cause i aint given 3300 buck up with out a fight since no legal actions taken makes me think double dipper

its pretty clear what happened. the facts are clear here. ive been consistent. kyspeedparts hasnt....its pretty simple. paypal took the money. now he has the money. and is repaying paypal. hes a liar and a thief. and i havent gotten 1 dime from him, paypal or the bank. those are the facts.

[zipper06]

WoW!! this thread has gotten totally crazy to the point that i don't know who to believe.
I fail to see any evidence that from fogger that he didn't get his money back and i fail to see any evidence that Kentucky Speed paid it back or it was deducted from his account, IE: credit card statements showing the deductions or credit card statement where it wasn't put back into the account or bank account, or where Kentucky Speed paid it back. I find it convient that both parties cancelled their accounts at the bank and paypal :?:
I'm just glad that i have no dealings with either one of the actors, nor will i ever.
Stats can be blacked out on any statement and be posted as proof.

JMO

Zip.

[MEMRACING62]

X2!!!!!

[dragonmaster093]

x2 zip ill stick with people that im A. refered to by trusted friends(I.E the sharks) B. peolpe ive had deals with and trust.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

WoW!! this thread has gotten totally crazy to the point that i don't know who to believe.
I fail to see any evidence that from fogger that he didn't get his money back and i fail to see any evidence that Kentucky Speed paid it back or it was deducted from his account, IE: credit card statements showing the deductions or credit card statement where it wasn't put back into the account, or where Kentucky Speed paid it back.
I'm just glad that i have no dealings with either one of the actors, nor will i ever.

JMO

Zip.

i dont sell parts, nor do i need the internet to make a living. apparently kyspeedparts need th internet and need to steal money from people. you got proof and evidence that i paid the guy. he himself has verified it. he has also admitted that he never refunded or sent what he was paid for. the bottomline is this.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Dwight, I filed a dispute with Paypal. He could of easily refunded me then and this mess would never happened. Instead he didnt, he had already stole the money and Paypal werent able to recover any of my funds.

Also. Dwight...you said you chose NOT to do business with me...Why didnt you say that when we discussed the boxes...why did you accept my money and why did you deposit my money into your bank acct if you had no intentions of sending the parts you were paid for? Youre a crook and a thief...and these are legit questions that I doubt get answered. They have been ignored everytime I have asked them.

[Scorpion1110]

WoW!! this thread has gotten totally crazy to the point that i don't know who to believe.
I fail to see any evidence that from fogger that he didn't get his money back and i fail to see any evidence that Kentucky Speed paid it back or it was deducted from his account, IE: credit card statements showing the deductions or credit card statement where it wasn't put back into the account or bank account, or where Kentucky Speed paid it back. I find it convient that both parties cancelled their accounts at the bank and paypal :?:
I'm just glad that i have no dealings with either one of the actors, nor will i ever.
Stats can be blacked out on any statement and be posted as proof.

JMO

Zip.

Zip:

You make a very good point. Slam! Bang! Zap! Powee!

Back and forth. You believe one then the other and I realized that I have believed both and read more posts then dont believe either.

So like you I no longer know who to believe. Soooooooooooo

Forum users- how about we try a new spectator sport?

Just let KYSpeed and TwinFoggerSBC post on this thread. No one else.

Jason can call Dwight a thief and a crook. And Dwight can say he is checking on it.

So how about it forum users? Just let them post- A Mano y Mano fight to the death.

Think about it- we have better things to do like wondering why MIDSOUTHHOTRODZ is peeping in right now. Hi Jason's nephew.

Scorp

[blownalky3]

I have to side with Fogger on this transaction. I absolutly do not trust paypal either. I move my money faster than fast to a secure account not even at the same bank as my paypal account. As I said earlier

I WON A DISPUTE WITH PAYPAL, GOT MY MONEY REFUNDED BY PAYPAL TO MY CREDIT CARD, AND THEN PAYPAL CHARGED MY BACKUP FUNDING SOURCE (MY BANK ACCOUNT) FOR THE MONEY THEY LOST GIVING IT BACK TO ME. SO I WON ONCE AND LOST IT AGAIN BECAUSE I ENDED UP PAYING MYSELF!!!!!!!! THATS HOW PAYPAL ROLLS

Ky would have the proof right in front of him if the money was given back. It would be right on his paypal account history. That is a fact. I say Ky is trying to play the system.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

I have to side with Fogger on this transaction. I absolutly do not trust paypal either. I move my money faster than fast to a secure account not even at the same bank as my paypal account. As I said earlier

I WON A DISPUTE WITH PAYPAL, GOT MY MONEY REFUNDED BY PAYPAL TO MY CREDIT CARD, AND THEN PAYPAL CHARGED MY BACKUP FUNDING SOURCE (MY BANK ACCOUNT) FOR THE MONEY THEY LOST GIVING IT BACK TO ME. SO I WON ONCE AND LOST IT AGAIN BECAUSE I ENDED UP PAYING MYSELF!!!!!!!! THATS HOW PAYPAL ROLLS

Ky would have the proof right in front of him if the money was given back. It would be right on his paypal account history. That is a fact. I say Ky is trying to play the system.

Exactly. It takes someone that has dealt with Paypal in a similar situation to understand where I am coming from.

[wvhippie]

After reading this entire thread I have no Idea who is telling the truth. I do know that it would be easy to tell if fogger would just pony up some Bank or credit card statements. I know you have said you know longer bank at the same bank but I would think you held on to your bank statements. It is not like this went down 10 years ago. The same about credit card statements. You are doing yourself no good by ranting and repeating yourself. Pony up the statements and we will all know. I have never dealt with KYspeedparts and probably wouldnt. You should pay whomever you owe. Fogger or paypal.

[Tod74]

You guys understand that if his cc company has already given him back his money and I pay him as well, then he has gotten me for 3320.00? I appreciate everyones input and I will investigate and hopefully have an answer by the end of the day.

sorry , that makes no sense , how is returning money someone paid you ,,"GETTING TOOK" you would only be out the money he gave you to start with...

It would be getting took if he was already paid back by PayPal or his cc company. If anyone is owed, it would be PayPal. If I pay him and he had been refunded, then that means he keeps his 3300 and gets my 3300.00.


That has been my point...YOU owe paypal If they refunded him his money. Point is you got 3300 bucks for free.

[Tod74]

what I dont understand is what is he making payments FOR? if paypal hasn't paid you , then why would he owe them money??

Because he withdrew the money from his paypal account once TFSBC sent it..then he closed his account and never sent the boxes..SO even if TFSBC DID get his money back...KSP still has 3300 dollars that do not belong to him. Paypal hasn't paid TF because Dwight had no money in his account(closed account) Paypal can't pay him back if the money is gone(dwight's took it) and since they can't get the money from Dwight they would have to give TF some of their money...how likely is that?

Either way KSP is a crook.He took money for payment but never sent the boxes. In my book that makes him a thief.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

what I dont understand is what is he making payments FOR? if paypal hasn't paid you , then why would he owe them money??

Because he withdrew the money from his paypal account once TFSBC sent it..then he closed his account and never sent the boxes..SO even if TFSBC DID get his money back...KSP still has 3300 dollars that do not belong to him. Paypal hasn't paid TF because Dwight had no money in his account(closed account) Paypal can't pay him back if the money is gone(dwight's took it) and since they can't get the money from Dwight they would have to give TF some of their money...how likely is that?

Either way KSP is a crook.He took money for payment but never sent the boxes. In my book that makes him a thief.

Bingo. He had no intentions of sending the boxes according to him so why the hell did he deposit my money into his bank acct instead of refunding me? He also had the chance to refund me when I filed a dispute but chose not to.

[itsabird]

what I dont understand is what is he making payments FOR? if paypal hasn't paid you , then why would he owe them money??

Because he withdrew the money from his paypal account once TFSBC sent it..then he closed his account and never sent the boxes..SO even if TFSBC DID get his money back...KSP still has 3300 dollars that do not belong to him. Paypal hasn't paid TF because Dwight had no money in his account(closed account) Paypal can't pay him back if the money is gone(dwight's took it) and since they can't get the money from Dwight they would have to give TF some of their money...how likely is that?

Either way KSP is a crook.He took money for payment but never sent the boxes. In my book that makes him a thief.it sure looks that way.

[hollowayshotrods]

What an absolutely useless thread! Yawn, yawn........
Mom, Jimmy hit me! No I didn't! Yes you did! Mom, he hit me again!
Yea, I know you get my point!

Post up the evidence or shut the hell up already!

BTW, I wouldn't do business with either one of you two!

[THERATTLER]

well , after listening to both sides this is what I think , probaly will make both sides mad , but thats life when you air your dirty laundry on a public forum..I think fogger DID order the msd boxs with intent to try and get his money back and the boxes , I think kentucky DID try and hide the money and not ship the boxes , I think Fogger got reimbursed by paypal and now Kentucky is having to pay them back..looks like two people tried to scam each other at the same time and now it is at a stalemate , time to sh*t or get off the pot , if you think someone stole over $3000 from you then press charges on them and have them arrested..if you can't because the truth will come out then you need to drop it...all this he said , she said is doing nothing at all . there is no way to solve this on this forum.unless bank statements are presented . anything other than that is a waste of time ..sorry if either side is unhappy with what I think but thats just what it is , what I think,,,,Paul

[MEMRACING62]

Paul, that is EXACTLY what I think happen here!! jmo, mike

[wvhippie]

well , after listening to both sides this is what I think , probaly will make both sides mad , but thats life when you air your dirty laundry on a public forum..I think fogger DID order the msd boxs with intent to try and get his money back and the boxes , I think kentucky DID try and hide the money and not ship the boxes , I think Fogger got reimbursed by paypal and now Kentucky is having to pay them back..looks like two people tried to scam each other at the same time and now it is at a stalemate , time to sh*t or get off the pot , if you think someone stole over $3000 from you then press charges on them and have them arrested..if you can't because the truth will come out then you need to drop it...all this he said , she said is doing nothing at all . there is no way to solve this on this forum.unless bank statements are presented . anything other than that is a waste of time ..sorry if either side is unhappy with what I think but thats just what it is , what I think,,,,PaulX 2

[Harbone]

I am back on the fence, neither one has shown what I would call "solid" evidence to support their stories. Its all he said/he said at this point. Time to move onto a new task and like Scorp said, just let these 2 beat each other down. :D

[Drtmod5]

I am back on the fence, neither one has shown what I would call "solid" evidence to support their stories. Its all he said/he said at this point. Time to move onto a new task and like Scorp said, just let these 2 beat each other down. :D

Until either of you 2 supply the correct documents to verify your side of the story, this whole thing is useless. Get your sh*t rounded up, post up and then sit back for the "jury" to decide!

[slowmotion]

http://www.stlsr.com/forums/images/smilies/deadhorsebeat_2.gif :D :D :D

[Tod74]

http://www.stlsr.com/forums/images/smilies/deadhorsebeat_2.gif :D :D :D


:lol: We need that emoticon on the list here..hahaha

[zipper06]

That's great slowmo, hey Tod you can save it, just right click and save picture to documents.

Zip

[blownalky3]

I do not believe that paypal paid Fogger back. It was on a debit and was verified by the bank before funds were released. I think that paypal did just what it said and IF MONEY BECAME AVAILABLE they would try to recover it. Ky closed his account and if he is making payments you can bet the farm they have not payed Fogger yet and I doubt they will without proper representation (read Lawyer). I could be wrong, but as I said I KNOW EXACTLY HOW PAYPAL OPERATES. They are just an extension of eBay. eBay could'nt compete with them so they just bought them........and then ruined it

[christiansells]

it seems obvious that ks is lying here.dwight already said that he has the money still.as far as tf is concerned,he has a lot of fans on yellowbullet.the truth is he is right though.no one can come forward and flat out say that he owes them anything.tf got a bad rep for being a cocky sob.he is a yellowbullet icon :D i spend a lot of time on yb and can tell you it is not the first time ks has come up as scamming some one.

[Tod74]

I accidentally started a thread about this on Yellowbullet....

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=212182&highlight=VIDEO

They were not very simpathetic to TFSBC getting ripped off.....he has many fans over there. :lol:

Here is a video of his car someone posted...Black Camaro...seen pics of it before looks pretty sick with the satin/flat black paint...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTymhq8xpHA

[mytmouz]

I do not believe that paypal paid Fogger back. It was on a debit and was verified by the bank before funds were released. I think that paypal did just what it said and IF MONEY BECAME AVAILABLE they would try to recover it. Ky closed his account and if he is making payments you can bet the farm they have not payed Fogger yet and I doubt they will without proper representation (read Lawyer). I could be wrong, but as I said I KNOW EXACTLY HOW PAYPAL OPERATES. They are just an extension of eBay. eBay could'nt compete with them so they just bought them........and then ruined it

Yes, BUT, at least one other member here besides me asked him if ANYONE OTHER THAN KY had reimbursed him, period. He has not answered that question yet...

[Tod74]

I do not believe that paypal paid Fogger back. It was on a debit and was verified by the bank before funds were released. I think that paypal did just what it said and IF MONEY BECAME AVAILABLE they would try to recover it. Ky closed his account and if he is making payments you can bet the farm they have not payed Fogger yet and I doubt they will without proper representation (read Lawyer). I could be wrong, but as I said I KNOW EXACTLY HOW PAYPAL OPERATES. They are just an extension of eBay. eBay could'nt compete with them so they just bought them........and then ruined it

Yes, BUT, at least one other member here besides me asked him if ANYONE OTHER THAN KY had reimbursed him, period. He has not answered that question yet...

still doesn't change the fact that KS is a crook as well...which was the point of the thread,,,warn others that he is dishonest.

[christiansells]

I do not believe that paypal paid Fogger back. It was on a debit and was verified by the bank before funds were released. I think that paypal did just what it said and IF MONEY BECAME AVAILABLE they would try to recover it. Ky closed his account and if he is making payments you can bet the farm they have not payed Fogger yet and I doubt they will without proper representation (read Lawyer). I could be wrong, but as I said I KNOW EXACTLY HOW PAYPAL OPERATES. They are just an extension of eBay. eBay could'nt compete with them so they just bought them........and then ruined it

Yes, BUT, at least one other member here besides me asked him if ANYONE OTHER THAN KY had reimbursed him, period. He has not answered that question yet...

still doesn't change the fact that KS is a crook as well...which was the point of the thread,,,warn others that he is dishonest.i was just on the bullet and tfsbc keeps getting flamed with no end.as far as i know,banks usually dont assume responsibility if you gave a verbal authorization to be drafted from your acct. as if it were payed by a credit card company.

[blownalky3]

Tod
WOW, YB people are not Foggers friends. Can you have NVMYVETTESPENISHEAD go read that thread on YB? He will have to agree that the RJ folks are downright nice people. 18 pages......Amazeing.

Fogger
I kinda stuck up for you but after reading your replies on YB I have to ask myself why? I surely hope for your sake that NOBODY really knows who you are. I assume if your profile was filled out with your real name and people could put a face to the smack talking, your ankle would be the least of your worries. Do you really have to be such an arrogant ass????

[mytmouz]

I do not believe that paypal paid Fogger back. It was on a debit and was verified by the bank before funds were released. I think that paypal did just what it said and IF MONEY BECAME AVAILABLE they would try to recover it. Ky closed his account and if he is making payments you can bet the farm they have not payed Fogger yet and I doubt they will without proper representation (read Lawyer). I could be wrong, but as I said I KNOW EXACTLY HOW PAYPAL OPERATES. They are just an extension of eBay. eBay could'nt compete with them so they just bought them........and then ruined it

Yes, BUT, at least one other member here besides me asked him if ANYONE OTHER THAN KY had reimbursed him, period. He has not answered that question yet...


still doesn't change the fact that KS is a crook as well...which was the point of the thread,,,warn others that he is dishonest.

That is correct. My point is fogger hasn't answered the question, so we don't really have the whole story, At least KY has finally partially owned up to his part, Fogger has yet to answer a direct question that would go a LONG way towards finalizing this...

[davidlemmond]

Trust me, fogger is a crook. He played a part if not the sole part in scamming me out of $1450 last year. He is not to be trusted, at all.
The video of his car being wrecked was posted by me. An annonymous person sent it to me and I thought it would be a perfect fit for that thread on YB. Anybody have questions my email is david@davidlemmond,com
I dont get on th RJ bulliten board so I may not see any reply directed at me. Have a good day.

[Tod74]

I want to be clear...just because I took his side(sort of) on the deal with KSP I DO NOT TRUST HIM..HE IS A CROOK. I believe he was trying to scam KSP here and ended up getting ripped off...so it serves him right, HOWEVER, it also shows the kind of business man KSP is..I wouldn't trade nickles with either of them/.

P.S. The guys on Yellowbullet DO know who he is......I also believe the arrogance is just done to piss everyone off while he sits back and laughs...aka TROLL

[Tod74]

Check out the picture someone posted on Yellowbullet....I can't post it here because it has the "F" word on it.

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=212182&highlight=VIDEO&page=18


"No money back guarantee" :lol:

[dragonmaster093]

tod email me it cause im not yb member so i cant look

[THERATTLER]

Todd , can't you block out the word??? we all want to see it

[dragonmaster093]

its funny think littlerod has same book

[mopar1968]

Yeah i would like to see it i am not a member and don't want to be. Sorry mods could not delete wording, please forgive me :!: :!: This is from YB :!: :!:


http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/196814/sbci.jpg



''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

[dragonmaster093]

for those of you scammers needing a copy the price is $30 plus shipping and hadling. cover can be customized with you name if needed little rod you better order a couple copies

[dragonmaster093]

Yeah i would like to see it i am not a member and don't want to be. Sorry mods could not delete wording, please forgive me :!: :!: This is from YB :!: :!:


http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/196814/sbci.jpg



''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Been out of town. I give them clowns on YB just as much shit as they try to give me. I posted my address numerous times and no1 ever showed up, why? LOL it dont take much to guess why. Any1 can talk tough on the internet. but that means nothing to me.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Trust me, fogger is a crook. He played a part if not the sole part in scamming me out of $1450 last year. He is not to be trusted, at all.
The video of his car being wrecked was posted by me. An annonymous person sent it to me and I thought it would be a perfect fit for that thread on YB. Anybody have questions my email is david@davidlemmond,com
I dont get on th RJ bulliten board so I may not see any reply directed at me. Have a good day.

I have never ever done business with you clown. I told you once and I will tell you again. I have NEVER done business with you. If you feel you got tooken for something, contact the person you did do business with. I could care less, join the line of folks whos been took. You claim you were taken for $1450, thats not even half what I had stolen by kyspeedparts....

[TwinFoggerSBC]

I want to be clear...just because I took his side(sort of) on the deal with KSP I DO NOT TRUST HIM..HE IS A CROOK. I believe he was trying to scam KSP here and ended up getting ripped off...so it serves him right, HOWEVER, it also shows the kind of business man KSP is..I wouldn't trade nickles with either of them/.

P.S. The guys on Yellowbullet DO know who he is......I also believe the arrogance is just done to piss everyone off while he sits back and laughs...aka TROLL

They know who I am because I posted my address, and never seen not 1 of them and theres a reason for that. They arent fools, anyone can sit on the internet and talk crap but that means nothing to me. Explain to me how I could scam kyspeedparts on this deal, enlighten me because I dont see how it would be possible. You know what happened and you were wrong. be MAN enough to admit you were wrong and move on, its really that simple.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

I do not believe that paypal paid Fogger back. It was on a debit and was verified by the bank before funds were released. I think that paypal did just what it said and IF MONEY BECAME AVAILABLE they would try to recover it. Ky closed his account and if he is making payments you can bet the farm they have not payed Fogger yet and I doubt they will without proper representation (read Lawyer). I could be wrong, but as I said I KNOW EXACTLY HOW PAYPAL OPERATES. They are just an extension of eBay. eBay could'nt compete with them so they just bought them........and then ruined it

BINGO!!! this is from someone who has had pretty much a similar experience so he knows exactly how this works. for the others lending opinions, if you havent experienced its kinda hard to lend an opinion.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

I accidentally started a thread about this on Yellowbullet....

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=212182&highlight=VIDEO

They were not very simpathetic to TFSBC getting ripped off.....he has many fans over there. :lol:

Here is a video of his car someone posted...Black Camaro...seen pics of it before looks pretty sick with the satin/flat black paint...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTymhq8xpHA

yeah you started a thread because you jumped to conclusions and was flat out wrong. hey, it happens. be man enough to admit and move on. i can care less. the guys at YB talk, hey everyone talks. it doesnt go beyond that. ive put my address on there and has never heard anything from anyone because they know better. its just talk. its the internet for crying out loud. and my car will look much better and run much much faster. those two things i assure you.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

I do not believe that paypal paid Fogger back. It was on a debit and was verified by the bank before funds were released. I think that paypal did just what it said and IF MONEY BECAME AVAILABLE they would try to recover it. Ky closed his account and if he is making payments you can bet the farm they have not payed Fogger yet and I doubt they will without proper representation (read Lawyer). I could be wrong, but as I said I KNOW EXACTLY HOW PAYPAL OPERATES. They are just an extension of eBay. eBay could'nt compete with them so they just bought them........and then ruined it

Yes, BUT, at least one other member here besides me asked him if ANYONE OTHER THAN KY had reimbursed him, period. He has not answered that question yet...

go back thru the posts or learn how to read or go find someone who can and maybe they will read it to you because i have answered that question more than once.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

I do not believe that paypal paid Fogger back. It was on a debit and was verified by the bank before funds were released. I think that paypal did just what it said and IF MONEY BECAME AVAILABLE they would try to recover it. Ky closed his account and if he is making payments you can bet the farm they have not payed Fogger yet and I doubt they will without proper representation (read Lawyer). I could be wrong, but as I said I KNOW EXACTLY HOW PAYPAL OPERATES. They are just an extension of eBay. eBay could'nt compete with them so they just bought them........and then ruined it

Yes, BUT, at least one other member here besides me asked him if ANYONE OTHER THAN KY had reimbursed him, period. He has not answered that question yet...

still doesn't change the fact that KS is a crook as well...which was the point of the thread,,,warn others that he is dishonest.i was just on the bullet and tfsbc keeps getting flamed with no end.as far as i know,banks usually dont assume responsibility if you gave a verbal authorization to be drafted from your acct. as if it were payed by a credit card company.

Bingo. once i gave authorization to my bank by phone when they called me to verify i was making the transaction. that made it impossible for me to dispute the charges. i disputed it with paypal and since dwight had stolen the money already there was no money to be recovered as you can clearly see from paypal.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Dwight, I filed a dispute with Paypal. He could of easily refunded me then and this mess would never happened. Instead he didnt, he had already stole the money and Paypal werent able to recover any of my funds.

Also. Dwight...you said you chose NOT to do business with me...Why didnt you say that when we discussed the boxes...why did you accept my money and why did you deposit my money into your bank acct if you had no intentions of sending the parts you were paid for? Youre a crook and a thief...and these are legit questions that I doubt get answered. They have been ignored everytime I have asked them.

Looking for answers....

[dragonmaster093]

http://www.stlsr.com/forums/images/smilies/deadhorsebeat_2.gif :D :D :D

[mopar1968]

You know folk's, What i think is happening here is two scammer's have hit face to face, And neither will admit guilt, One trying to over come the other. But both loosing in the long run with thousand's reading this + Other site's talking about the same people, So guy's neither of you is going to admit guilt so this need's to be dropped. I agree with Dragon the both of you are beating a dead horse :!: :!: JMO


''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

[MEMRACING62]

yup......they both deserve each other!! :twisted:

[dragonmaster093]

You know folk's, What i think is happening here is two scammer's have hit face to face, And neither will admit guilt, One trying to over come the other. But both loosing in the long run with thousand's reading this + Other site's talking about the same people, So guy's neither of you is going to admit guilt so this need's to be dropped. I agree with Dragon the both of you are beating a dead horse :!: :!: JMO


''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''
scorp and everyone else has came to same conculison and neither will man up heck the excuses dont even sound half as entertaining as little rod

[mytmouz]

I do not believe that paypal paid Fogger back. It was on a debit and was verified by the bank before funds were released. I think that paypal did just what it said and IF MONEY BECAME AVAILABLE they would try to recover it. Ky closed his account and if he is making payments you can bet the farm they have not payed Fogger yet and I doubt they will without proper representation (read Lawyer). I could be wrong, but as I said I KNOW EXACTLY HOW PAYPAL OPERATES. They are just an extension of eBay. eBay could'nt compete with them so they just bought them........and then ruined it

Yes, BUT, at least one other member here besides me asked him if ANYONE OTHER THAN KY had reimbursed him, period. He has not answered that question yet...


go back thru the posts or learn how to read or go find someone who can and maybe they will read it to you because i have answered that question more than once.

I did read, the so far 16 pages of you dodging the question. When asked DIRECTLY by at least 2 people on here, and in my case, I have asked 3 times now. You still have not answered the question. All you have done is dodge around it, fairly adroitly, I might add. Posting a copy (so you say) of something from Paypal and then believing I, or anyone else should take it as gospel, is not proof, period. You keep posting this supposed 'proof', so I don't see the problem with answering a simple, direct question, since we are supposed to take your word for it.

So, for the last time, nice as I know how, DID YOU RECIEVE A REFUND FROM YOUR BANK, CREDIT CARD COMPANY, PAYPAL, or perhaps the tooth fairy...

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Ky Speed would have the money because of the dispute with PayPal has not been settled. If anything were to be owed, it would be to PayPal, which is an entirely different matter. If we owe twinfoggersbc, we will take care of it.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Why did he have to file a dispute with his cc? Why didn't you just refund his money in the first place?

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Ky Speed would have the money because of the dispute with PayPal has not been settled. If anything were to be owed, it would be to PayPal, which is an entirely different matter. If we owe twinfoggersbc, we will take care of it.
Thats all I was trying to clear up , whether or not ky still has the mans money ,,not your money , you didn't send out a product for it..real simple...you said you couldn't afford to pay twice , if you still have it then you havn't paid once yet...
you get money for parts
you send no parts
you refund no money
CASE CLOSED

[TwinFoggerSBC]

You stated that you disputed this a "few days after". Why would someone file a dispute just a few days after a purchase. Normally, a guy will wait at least a week or two to file a dispute. Come on. You filed a dispute because you had every intention of doing so from the get go, just like you did the first time. We just decided not to do it the second time. Twinfoggersbc, if you haven't been refunded by your cc company, I will make it right, but if I'm not mistaken, it would have to go through PayPal to be done because they are the ones you initially paid. Again, I will get with them to find out. I will do my part on my end.

http://www.stlsr.com/forums/images/smilies/banghead.gif

When he disputed the transaction, Why didn't you didn't you refund the money to paypal and be done with it? They would've refunded his money and it would've been done.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Dwight
You owe the man his money. I know exactly how you pulled this off because I do the same with all my paypal stuff. I remove money from my paypal only bank account so it can't be hacked and me lose all that is in that account. You move money the same, except for maybe a different purpose than I. It has become real clear here you owe the guy and you are just getting deeper and deeper. If you pay him his money I am sure he will contact paypal and dismiss this claim therefor you won't be paying twice. After all, you have this thread of 300 messages to verify your side if he does what you already did, SCAM THE SYSTEM. You are nuts if you think anybody believes you don't remember stealing $3320 from someone you assumed had bad intentions. He paid the first time AND THE SECOND TIME.

NOW PAY THE MAN AND MAKE THIS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TwinFoggerSBC]

I never received anything back for this transaction. I filed a dispute with Paypal and he had already stolen the money so they weren't able to recover any of my funds. I stopped doing business with that bank right after that. There was no money he stole it. Paypal didn't have anything to give me, Dwight had already stole the money. He knows what he did. And if after that Had Dwight made things right I figure my bank would of contacted me had Paypal gave them any money on my behalf since I closed my acct with them. I wouldn't be going thru this had I got my money Dwight stole.

Here's the answer to the question I supposedly dodged mytmouz....

[mopar1968]

He isn't going to answer any question directly all he wants to do is quote other people :!:



''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

[kyspeedparts]

Guys, I am back, and it's taken me a while to catch up on all of this. I want to let a couple/few of the guys posting on here a little about myself. To tod74 & blownalky3, I obviously do not know either of you, but I can assure you that I am far from a crook. I have been in this business for over 6 years and have been a business owner for almost 3 years now. I have advertised on RJ for several years. Other than having some slow shipments, I have never scammed anyone out of anything. I had a very rough year last year do to a really bad business deal with my ex business partner and with my father being sick last year and then his passing in January. Every (or most) businesses will or have gone through times where they have issues. I am no different. I can only look ahead and try to make things better for myself and my business. I have done business with litterally thousands of people and you would think if I were such a crook, that you would hear more about me. We have a small shop but do a large volume of business. I want to offer this to fogger...Are you willing to get on a conference call or 3 way call with me to PayPal? They will give you the proof that you need. You have made every excuse in the world not to contact your cc company or your bank. If this doesn't settle this, I don't know what will. If anyone would like to call or e-mail me, please feel free to do so. I am open to suggestions and advice. Thanks, Dwight. 859-647-7223 or [email protected]

[mooneye777]

I would like to see a copy paste to twinfoggers entire letter from paypal. They do not word thier letters like that, at least the one I got. I am with KY on this one with out the proper proof from twin.

Also does anyone know the answer to yellows trick question to register ?

[mooneye777]

I figured out the question to get in to YB.

After reading twinfoggers posts in there, I am shocked, with the attitude that he has in there. What a trash talking foul mouthed piece of work you are twin, you lose just from you mouth in my opinion. That is no way to cunduct yourself and no excuse to it at all.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

Guys, I am back, and it's taken me a while to catch up on all of this. I want to let a couple/few of the guys posting on here a little about myself. To tod74 & blownalky3, I obviously do not know either of you, but I can assure you that I am far from a crook. I have been in this business for over 6 years and have been a business owner for almost 3 years now. I have advertised on RJ for several years. Other than having some slow shipments, I have never scammed anyone out of anything. I had a very rough year last year do to a really bad business deal with my ex business partner and with my father being sick last year and then his passing in January. Every (or most) businesses will or have gone through times where they have issues. I am no different. I can only look ahead and try to make things better for myself and my business. I have done business with litterally thousands of people and you would think if I were such a crook, that you would hear more about me. We have a small shop but do a large volume of business. I want to offer this to fogger...Are you willing to get on a conference call or 3 way call with me to PayPal? They will give you the proof that you need. You have made every excuse in the world not to contact your cc company or your bank. If this doesn't settle this, I don't know what will. If anyone would like to call or e-mail me, please feel free to do so. I am open to suggestions and advice. Thanks, Dwight. 859-647-7223 or [email protected]'ve talked to Paypal and my bank right after this happened. My bank told me to take it up with Paypal because there was nothing they could do because I authorized the payment to you. Paypal told me to dispute it, I did and won the case but the money was already stolen. I don't trust Paypal, they are crooks just like you to allow this type of crap to go on. You're a crook and a thief and this isn't the 1st time that your name has come up here or on the internet for stealing someones money. If I can get people to see what kind of crook you are and let everyone know and then they don't buy from you I will get satisfaction from that knowing they won't get their money stolen by you like I did.

[TwinFoggerSBC]

I figured out the question to get in to YB.

After reading twinfoggers posts in there, I am shocked, with the attitude that he has in there. What a trash talking foul mouthed piece of work you are twin, you lose just from you mouth in my opinion. That is no way to cunduct yourself and no excuse to it at all.do you really think I care about what those clowns have to say on YB? They talk trash and I talk it right back to them. Maybe you'd just sit back and accept it but not me. I talk crap right back to them. Its the internet, they don't do anything but talk and I go right back at them. As you can see I hold my own there an I'm still there giving them crap daily. I don't duck or dodge anyone. If they have a problem with me, I'm not to hard to find.

[kyspeedparts]

Again, Are you willing to get on a conference call or 3 way call with me to PayPal?I have posted an e-mail that is dated Fri, Feb. 5, 2010 from PayPal. I have given the reps name that I spoke with and her employer ID#. Please answer this question for me???

[Tod74]

Guys, I am back, and it's taken me a while to catch up on all of this. I want to let a couple/few of the guys posting on here a little about myself. To tod74 & blownalky3, I obviously do not know either of you, but I can assure you that I am far from a crook. I have been in this business for over 6 years and have been a business owner for almost 3 years now. I have advertised on RJ for several years. Other than having some slow shipments, I have never scammed anyone out of anything. I had a very rough year last year do to a really bad business deal with my ex business partner and with my father being sick last year and then his passing in January. Every (or most) businesses will or have gone through times where they have issues. I am no different. I can only look ahead and try to make things better for myself and my business. I have done business with litterally thousands of people and you would think if I were such a crook, that you would hear more about me. We have a small shop but do a large volume of business. I want to offer this to fogger...Are you willing to get on a conference call or 3 way call with me to PayPal? They will give you the proof that you need. You have made every excuse in the world not to contact your cc company or your bank. If this doesn't settle this, I don't know what will. If anyone would like to call or e-mail me, please feel free to do so. I am open to suggestions and advice. Thanks, Dwight. 859-647-7223 or [email protected]


You took payment for parts then never sent the parts. That is a crook no matter how you look at it. It doesn't matter if the money is owed to paypal or to Twin Fogger....it is still owed.It would not be owed if you hadn't pulled it from your paypal account and then close the account ..I believe this was done deliberately to prevent them from getting the money because you already said you decided not to send the boxes. Case Closed .

[mooneye777]

Twinfogger I do not think you understand the beauty of being a stand up guy and carrying yourself in a manor that makes you seem to have good quality character. Runnung your mouth, F this F that, calling everyone names, just puts you at a level below where a good person stands. Basicaly it makes you look very inmature. I read the entire thread all 18 pages. You started with the names and crap first, here is an edited version of your exact quote, your first in the thread I might add.

QUOTE-twinfoggersbc, How the h-ll does it sound like that you dumb f--k? If you cant read, go find a kid to read the facts to your dumb a--. Youre a dumb a--, always has been and always will be. This happened in June you stupid f--k.

twinfogger this is what I call self charcter assanation, that means get the shoe out of your mouth, stand up tall and be nice about the way you carry yourself. I appreciate your toned down version here on RJ.

[Harbone]

Twinfogger I do not think you understand the beauty of being a stand up guy and carrying yourself in a manor that makes you seem to have good quality character. Runnung your mouth, F this F that, calling everyone names, just puts you at a level below where a good person stands. Basicaly it makes you look very inmature. I read the entire thread all 18 pages. You started with the names and crap first, here is an edited version of your exact quote, your first in the thread I might add.

QUOTE-twinfoggersbc, How the he-- does it sound like that you dumb f--k? If you cant read, go find a kid to read the facts to your dumb a--. Youre a dumb a--, always has been and always will be. This happened in June you stupid f--k.

twinfogger this is what I call self charcter assanation, that means get the shoe out of your mouth, stand up tall and be nice about the way you carry yourself. I appreciate your toned down version here on RJ.

that won't happen, just read the crap he posts over at YB. The RJ forum is for people with common sense and just a little respect, you wont see that out of him. Plus he stays in 5-Star hotels and eats 5-Star meals wherever he goes, just ask him. :lol: