John1923T John Miller Major Rip Off AD #1695860

[nvmyvettes]

I talk with the guy(John Miller) for over two weeks on trading.He claim to have 1923T that was built to compete in Summit Mag Most Beautiful Roadster Contest. And he advertises it as the winner. Ad#1695860. I search the net for this competion and couldnt find anything about it.Talk with him at least half a dozen times on the phone and emailed at least ten times.I finally decide to trade but then everytime I get the shipping company scheduled to pick it up John cant be reached. Then finally we get something together and I ship my car to him on 11/24/09. The driver lives in my area and we have become pretty good friends.(He looks out for me on trades) When he gets there with my car,and before unloading it, he ask John if he could inspect the T Bucket. John then procedes to tell him that there was water in the oil and he just discovered it the day before 11/23/09.He didnt bother to call or email me about it.My car didnt leave until 11/24/09 6:00 AM. Maybe John was hoping for a drop off and pick up and go.Lucky for me, it didnt work that way
Howerver it cost me $350.00 to send my car from Milton WV to Sandusky Ohio. And then another $350.00 to get it back.John I really hope you respond to this. I want my $700.00 back .I really think you have lied the whole time. I dont know what your trying to pull, but I will not leave this one alone. I know exactly where you live, and its not that far from me. And for $700.00 I will make the drive.Get the point!!!!

[Harbone]

I sent him a message, lets see if he replies...

[nvmyvettes]

He emailed me back stating he was sorry for the way things turned out, and he didnt want to send me a car that was messed up. But then he starts ragging on my car in the same email. Flat out lies.Check my ad out on line for the 57 T Bird. Not perfect but not junk either. He was told about the few issues that the car had . Plexiglass windows and a scratch on the trunk.. He claimed it needed a paint job and the interior was worn and faded, and the chrome needed rechrome. Also said the doors sagged. Dont think so to any of it !!!! He just got caught trying to pull a fast one.He was expecting a drop off pick up, not an inspection of the car as advertised. He also stated he paid half the bill to the driver.Dont know, the drivers not back yet. Even if he did, he still owes me $350 more. He had the chance to call or email to tell me his car had problems before mine left the driveway.I do hope he's not lying about the $350 he gave the driver,that softens the blow.

[nvmyvettes]

Here is my ad and my car

Ad #1711615

[nvmyvettes]

Well John ,I know you know about this thread.Thanks Harbone!! The more I think about this , the more I know that you know you were wrong.Else why did you pay the $350.00 "to get my car back to me." (Confirmed with the trucking company.) Because you felt it was the right thing to do. But then you screwed that up by trying to justify what you did by ragging on my car.
Then I hear that the driver was told that you didnt know the motor was blown. That your son must have took it out and blow it up. I cant believe that either.I believe you knew the motor was blown the whole time.I also dont believe your T won the Summit Mag Most Beautiful Roadster Contest.If there is even such a contest. You would think if there was it would be posted on the net somewhere.But the only place I find it is on your ads.
In short guy you screwed up. And at last count 73 people have read it since I posted today. My next stop is Craigslist where you have it listed for $15,000.00. After that I will send you some nice Google Earth Pics of your house .Hell I even have some nice pics of your driveway mail box.I may even post them on the net so people will know exactly who you are and what you do. And if you move to Florida as you state you plan to do on your Harley ad I will post there to. The net is a powerful tool to locate people.
So once again I want the other $350.00 you owe me and I will go away. Its your call.But if you decide not ,then I will get $350.00 worth of satisfaction by letting other people know who you are.

[Harbone]

well he replied right away to my email and I advised him to come on here and defend himself, well he has not so heres the message he sent me...

From: john1923t To: harbone66 Date: 2009-11-25 15:01:07
Subject: Re: winner most beautiful roadster/summit mag.car
Re: Ad #1695860 - winner most beautiful roadster/summit mag.car

No hes mad he wanted to do a trade and sent up a car that looks great in pic but was no where in quality to my car, I did pay for half of the shipping, and told him when we started If i did not like the car i would send it back.
I was more than fair. thanks.


now do with that what you please but if his car has the issue yuou stated then everyone needs to know!

[MEMRACING62]

well.......somebody heres lying :roll: john1923t need to get on here and explain his side.

[nvmyvettes]

John I know if your like me you save your pics. I would bet if you do you have at least 30 pics of my car from all different angles.I have the emails and if I have to I will post them on here.I have the ones telling exactly what my car was and any issues. Hell I even traced back to three previous owners,then contacted them, to try and get answer to your questions.
As far as us having an agreement not to trade if you or I didnt like the car is BS.
First, I havent even seen your car except for the crappy pics that you sent(No Close ups).That should of been flag there. Thats why I took so long to decide to trade.But I kept talking to thinking that maybe if there was somthing wrong you might disclose it.But I sent my car in blind faith that you were telling the thruth about your car. What you were not expecting is an inspection/ pick up.
Second. If the real reason was you didnt like my car then why the lie about your son blowing up the motor without your knowledge? And you only found out yesterday.
Third, Why did email me saying you were sorry,and stating that you didnt want to send me your car in that condidtion?

So either way, you lied.YOU ARE A LIAR!!!!

[MEMRACING62]

the fact that john1023t took the time to respond to harbone66 & has not come on here to tell his side speaks volumes. snakes hide under rocks too :evil:

[nvmyvettes]

Some of the last emails between John and I. More to come

I am sorry for the way things turned out, I had a problem with my car and I did not want to send it to you like that. But, the T bird was rough, it needed a paint job the interior was rough and faded, the head liner was falling out, the
door hinges sagged and the plastic windows did not line up, the door sills had all the paint worn off, the chrome needed re done or polished, the body was very wavy, again I apologise but My t bucket is like new and needed nothing but a windshield,. thanks john

On [2009-11-21 10:17:45] nvmyvettes wrote:
> I been calling the trucking guy all morning.No answer.Im driving out to his house now. Will get back to you shortly
>
> On [2009-11-21 10:00:47] john1923t wrote:
> > is that t bird on the truck yet? will I get to drive it before it snows?
> >
> > On [2009-11-20 18:17:41] nvmyvettes wrote:
> > > I see you still got the T. I still have the bird. Man I hate that we couldnt get something together. The guy from the trucking company got a little irritated because I caused him two trips he wasnt planing on taking. But I talk to him yesterday and he's alright now. He still manage to make money without hauling our cars.I look at the pics your bucket about once a day.I've been offered two other Ts. They were nice, but I dont think they were as nice as yours.They had Blowers but no chrome or brass.I think thats what makes yours.
> > >
> > > Darrell
> > >
> > > On [2009-11-12 23:23:43] john1923t wrote:
> > > > just send me the trucking info, thanks
> > > >
> > > > On [2009-11-12 20:31:29] nvmyvettes wrote:
> > > > > Im surprised you still want to after all this. Its been a roller coaster.But were still on as far as im concerned.I just hung up with the trucking company and he's trying to get another car to take with him.He hauls up to 3 at a time. He said the $350 a car was fine. thanks darrell
> > > > >
> > > > > On [2009-11-12 18:32:53] john1923t wrote:
> > > > > > well let me know what you decide to do, thanks john
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On [2009-11-12 11:32:57] nvmyvettes wrote:
> > > > > > > Hey Again. Man Im sorry for the previous email.As I stated I talk to the guy that had the car three owners ago.He talk to me for an hour about the car.He stated it was a Regal and was worth a lot more than I was asking for it. Well I called Regal this morning and the guy there said it was not a Regal.I gave him the ad number from racing junk so he could check it out. He got real pissed that I had some pictures of Regals on my ad, and ask me to delete the ad or I could be sued.Then he preceded to tell me that all replica Birds were junk except for his Regals.I was still very nice to him,because I didn't want to add fuel to the fire.I did get a list of company's of the net that made these cars.Turns out they were quit a few. But when you do a search on them,nothing comes up except that they did make them for awhile.None of them are in business now.
> > > > > > > Maybe the guy I talk to thought that it was a Regal or maybe he is just full of it.He claimed the original owner paid $33,000 for it for his wife.So I don't know what I have.But like I stated I really like my car.I am re listing it on RJ again though.If I dont sell or trade its ok with me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On [2009-11-11 09:22:16] john1923t wrote:
> > > > > > > > you have way too many toys, I like the mercedes roadster, is the 32 steel or fiberglass?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >

[nvmyvettes]

The first few emails

OK thanks, how clean is the frame ? Is it painted, ?

On [2009-11-11 08:47:34] nvmyvettes wrote:
> There is no panel for the soft top to fold into,behind the seat or on top.I was told the frame was from early 80s Granada.The motor may be a little newer cause it has the serpentine belt.Not a big horse power motor though.Just a cruiser.Like I said,I ask all the questions you have, and the guy I got it from couldnt answer them. I even have the names of the 2 previous owners and couldnt locate them to find out anything.
>
> On [2009-11-11 08:35:58] john1923t wrote:
> > I was on the web trying to find a convertible top, so I was wondering what body kit it was. do you know what year the motor is , so I can get parts, and brake pads and other thingds like that when they are needed? does the panel behind the seat open up to the trunk? or does it open up on top, where the convertible top would fold down into the trunk?
> >
> > On [2009-11-11 08:14:12] nvmyvettes wrote:
> > > John, the guy I got it from couldn't really tell me what company the body came from or who built it,so I haven't been able to confirm what the body is. From what I've been able to find out on the net,only two company's made these. Shay and Regal made turn keys, but Regal would also sell you a package with everything but the drive train.As far as the motor, the guy said 1000 miles on rebuild.The electric choke needs a little tweaking.Other than that there are no issues with drive train. Also I don't know if you noticed but the only thing they did when they built it that I didn't like was use Plexiglas for side windows/vent.The car also has a couple of chips that can easily be touched up.There is a couple of small scratches on the truck.Looks like where they may have did it taking the top off. If your having 2nd thoughts thats OK with me.Like I stated in my ad,I really like this car.
> > >
> > > On [2009-11-10 19:57:28] john1923t wrote:
> > > > when was this car built, what is the company, brand name, of the body,
> > > > is the motor 5,000 on a rebuild or is it a new motor with 5,000 miles? thanks john
> > > >
> > > > On [2009-11-06 21:22:46] nvmyvettes wrote:
> > > > > [email protected]
> > > > >
> > > > > On [2009-11-06 19:41:44] john1923t wrote:
> > > > > > I have the perfect t bucket for you. send me e mail address for pic

[nvmyvettes]

More emails

John is not here, He left for work, and he will not be home till friday, but I will pass on the message, I talked to him about the thunderbird, and I hope it is real nice, because his roadster is stunning, it actually is a work of art,......... . thanks

In a message dated 11/15/2009 1:49:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
John been trying to call your cell again. I left a message for you to call. I talk to the trucking co again. My number is 304-743-9375

Sorry I was at a wedding last night, and I saw the number come up on the phone and did not recognize it right away, when I checked their was no message, damn, sorry the truck left already, I should have called to check. SORRY,
keep me informed, john

In a message dated 11/14/2009 8:11:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
Hey Doug, Tried to call your cell yesterday and recording says mail box full.So I left a call back #.The trucking company wanted to pick the Bird up last night and deliver to you today.But he already left this morning at 4:00 AM. I didnt want to send until I confirmed with you.

[nvmyvettes]

Hey John, nice spread

http://s587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/nvmyvettes/John%20Miller/?action=view&current=JohnMiller.jpg

http://s587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/nvmyvettes/John%20Miller/?action=view&current=JohnMiller02.jpg

http://s587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/nvmyvettes/John%20Miller/?action=view&current=JohnMiller01.jpg

Could this be the infamos Most Beautiful Roadster sitting outside your ranch

http://s587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/nvmyvettes/John%20Miller/?action=view&current=Johnmiller03.jpg

[nvmyvettes]

Good Morning John, Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.I will be spending the first half of my morning waiting for my TBird that sat outside all night on the back of a trailor at the drivers house. But thats OK I can hook up with my family later.
If your an honest guy, and feel your right, I dont know why you wont get on here and explain yourself. Is it because you know you are wrong.In my last email to you last night I gave you a chance to explain. But I guess now you have decided to run and hide. You know thats the cowards way.But your not really hiding you know. At last count 195 people have read this thread. It really looks bad for you,since you decided not answer. But again its your call. Do the right thing.

[nvmyvettes]

Interesting post I found on the net

Link

http://stories.barackobama.com/healthcare/stories/near?page=14&query=Wharton%2C+OH

johnVickery, OH

I have no health care, my job Real estate took a dive , I am a student in school, and an ""AFFORDIABLE POLICY ""I am told is $ 800.00 per month for just the basic, and that is with no prescriptions. I CANT DO IT.
We are INSURANCE POOR car insurance,life insurance, house insurance, loan insurance,credit card insurance truck insurance, it is crazy I pay more in insurance every month than our food budget
john miller 419 271 -1438

Cant afford Insurance but can afford Summit Mags Most Beautiful Roadster??

[nvmyvettes]

Oh, I see you changed your ad.

I tried to do a trade on this car, but the other car was not the same quality as my car, the value just was not their. I did pay for half of the shipping cost and sent it back. I never said it was a bad car, just not the same show quality as my car, I learned my lesson.

Sorry the car is now for sale ONLY unless its a local trade, or you are willing to absorb all of the cost. SORRY.

What about the blown motor?(Water in the oil)

[MEMRACING62]

top quality car? :lol: I didn't think top quality cars came with BLOWN ENGINES :evil:

[nvmyvettes]

Yea MEM, thats a good one.
Guys ,the plot thickens this morning.I just got my car back.One of the shippers straps came loose and took a big chunck of glass out of the side of the car,along with a few scratches. But the shipper has good insurance and the driver apolagized over and over.So now I have to take the car to have it fixed. I just hope they can match the paint.
Thanks Again John. I really hope your Thanksgiving is a great one.

[Scooterz]

How do you show a T-Bucket for 15000 w/a blown up engine on a local basis??? If the engine is really blown up, IT WILL BE NOTICED & BROUGHT UP. My question is... are we really sure this car has a fried motor??? If so, how will he sell it LOCALLY??? The buyer who spends 15K might even want to drive it... call me crazy.

[DirkaDirka]

Yea MEM, thats a good one.
Guys ,the plot thickens this morning.I just got my car back.One of the shippers straps came loose and took a big chunck of glass out of the side of the car,along with a few scratches. But the shipper has good insurance and the driver apolagized over and over.So now I have to take the car to have it fixed. I just hope they can match the paint.
Thanks Again John. I really hope your Thanksgiving is a great one.


If you take it to a respectable body shop they can match the color if it just fine. The pic in my signature actually got hit on the drivers side front fender and door. The body shop did a decent job matching the color but I can tell a slight diff since I do body and paint. The color of that car is Lime Green and Black with a Green Pearl over he whole car. Those paint jobs are extremely hard to match that is why body shops usually end up painting the whole car. But in this case the insurance company wasnt going to pay for that. Go figure. Anyways, they should be able to match it with very lil notice if any at all. I cant say a definite yes or no due to not seeing the car. Sorry for the book.

Also have a wonderful Thanksgiving!!

[nvmyvettes]

I was wondering the same thing Rigs. Its hard to say with John being the liar he is. Mabe he just got cold feet. Or was expecting more. The son was the one that said something about the motor. He told the driver exactly ("Man Im gonna be up front with you, we found water in the oil yesterday, no use trying to hide it") Then as stated, said that his brother must of took it out and blew it up, then parked it. But if he thought my car was misrepresented, he should of just said that. He was right on one thing, I was pissed. Not because we didnt trade.If the motor was fried then it was a blessing. The thing Im pissed about is $350, and the lies.I do a lot of trades and sells. Some times I come out, some times I get my ass burnt.But Im a big boy I just suck it up and go on. One thing I wont do is lie about a vehicle and try to burn somebody. Especialy on a trade where Im sending my car to them first without having ever seen their car in person. That would be ediotic. So what ever happened John is a liar at best.
Dirk, I was pretty much raised around bodyshops.My dad was a body man by trade and owned several garages. I could paint the car myself, but to be honest I hate the work. Im taking it to the most reputable place in town. Someone real good at blending can make it look like it never happen.

Happy Thankgiving To All and Yours.

[nvmyvettes]

John :Re Read this email
If your gonna lie, try not to do it all in one paragraph.

Email :

I am sorry for the way things turned out, I had a problem with my car and I did not want to send it to you like that. But, the T bird was rough, it needed a paint job the interior was rough and faded, the head liner was falling out, the
door hinges sagged and the plastic windows did not line up, the door sills had all the paint worn off, the chrome needed re done or polished, the body was very wavy, again I apologise but My t bucket is like new and needed nothing but a windshield,. thanks john

John after reading this email again, It really doesnt make since.

1st : I am sorry for the way things turned out, I had a problem with my car and I did not want to send it to you like that.

Last line:My T bucket is like new and needed nothing but a windshield.

My question is: If your T bucket is like new and needs nothing but a winshield, as stated in your last line, what was the problem with the car that you stated in the 1st line? The reason you didnt do the trade and sent my car back.

Which also reminds me of our original agreement exactly:

(1) You were to pay to have the T bird sent to you. Driver collects $350 on delivery of T Bird.
(2) I pay to have to T Bucket delivered. Driver collects $350 upon delivery of T Bucket.
So when you paid the driver $350, it was for having the T Bird delivered, not to have the T Bird sent back. In your reply you stated you paid to have the Tbird sent back. I paid to have the Bird brought back.But because of the way you worded it, I think you know the right thing to do is pay both.
You still have your car listed,on RJ and Hoobly, and there is no mention of motor problems.So if there is no problems, then you just got cold feet on the trade.And it wasnt because of my car.The car is exactly as advertised and looks as good in person as the pics on the net.
So Im asking once again for you to do the right thing and pay me my $350.00, before this goes any further.I think your emails are proof that you lied. Therefore I have a case legally. I will do some research with local law enforcement, and internet crimes division, to see if I can get something done about this.
Again its your call.

[MEMRACING62]

DTRCR22 & SCORP, ANY IDEAS ON THIS ONE??

[mopar1968]

I sent him a very nice message you guy's know how nice and Quiet i am and here is his reply ;


On [2009-11-25 20:21:19] john1923t wrote:
> > No he wanted a trade, and sent me a car , It was not a bad car, just not what he wanted me to believe it was., I even paid to send it back to him. I am not worried about it,
> >


Yea I know, but I have not tried to sell it locally, maybe Ill put a picture of it in the ad with all the trophys around it. thanks john

[Scorpion1110]

I talk with the guy(John Miller) for over two weeks on trading.He claim to have 1923T that was built to compete in Summit Mag Most Beautiful Roadster Contest. And he advertises it as the winner. Ad#1695860. I search the net for this competion and couldnt find anything about it.Talk with him at least half a dozen times on the phone and emailed at least ten times.I finally decide to trade but then everytime I get the shipping company scheduled to pick it up John cant be reached. Then finally we get something together and I ship my car to him on 11/24/09. The driver lives in my area and we have become pretty good friends.(He looks out for me on trades) When he gets there with my car,and before unloading it, he ask John if he could inspect the T Bucket. John then procedes to tell him that there was water in the oil and he just discovered it the day before 11/23/09.He didnt bother to call or email me about it.My car didnt leave until 11/24/09 6:00 AM. Maybe John was hoping for a drop off and pick up and go.Lucky for me, it didnt work that way
Howerver it cost me $350.00 to send my car from Milton WV to Sandusky Ohio. And then another $350.00 to get it back.John I really hope you respond to this. I want my $700.00 back .I really think you have lied the whole time. I dont know what your trying to pull, but I will not leave this one alone. I know exactly where you live, and its not that far from me. And for $700.00 I will make the drive.Get the point!!!!

I think this is the competition John Miller is referring to:

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/01/29/kevin-and-karen-alstotts-35-ford-wins-americas-most-beautiful-r/

and here:

http://www.kustomrama.com/index.php?title=Grand_National_Roadster_Show

Its held in CA - and I believe Summitt racing may be a current sponsor or could have some representation at the show. There are also pictures of the Woodward dream cruise with T's pictured on the Summitt Site.

Havent found this car yet, but am pretty sure as to what John 1923T was referring to. So it doesnt appear he is lying about the competition, havent found pics of the winners yet.

However, its likely that this T has some show recognition and builder provenance- so its probably not an insignificant car.

Scorp

[Scorpion1110]

Hey John, nice spread

http://s587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/nvmyvettes/John%20Miller/?action=view&current=JohnMiller.jpg

http://s587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/nvmyvettes/John%20Miller/?action=view&current=JohnMiller02.jpg

http://s587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/nvmyvettes/John%20Miller/?action=view&current=JohnMiller01.jpg

Could this be the infamos Most Beautiful Roadster sitting outside your ranch

http://s587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/nvmyvettes/John%20Miller/?action=view&current=Johnmiller03.jpg

Darrell:

Two questions:

Did John1923T post these pics? and What relevance it this man's home to your gripe?

just curious,

Scorp

[blownalky3]

Scorp

I belive that the shows you linked have cars that cost in the hundreds of thousands of dollars to build. They spend 15k getting it cleaned up for the show. I highly doubt with it for sale at that price that it garnered any awards.

JMO

[mopar1968]

Blownalky3- No disrespect to you but if you read my post above you will see where he did make reference to trophies with car so he must have won some with it :!: :!:


''JUST MY TOW CENT'S WORTH''

from the quiet one''

[Scorpion1110]

Scorp

I belive that the shows you linked have cars that cost in the hundreds of thousands of dollars to build. They spend 15k getting it cleaned up for the show. I highly doubt with it for sale at that price that it garnered any awards.

JMO

Wasnt sure-

The Grand Nat'l Roadsters show goes back before the 50's - was thinking there might have been a chance that this was a glass late 60's build before we got into ridiculous money and Riddler cars.

I agree on cost- if its glass then the build period would be a small window- Id say late 60's to mid seventies.

possibility?

Gonna make me keep looking arentcha :)

Scorp

[DirkaDirka]

Scorp

I belive that the shows you linked have cars that cost in the hundreds of thousands of dollars to build. They spend 15k getting it cleaned up for the show. I highly doubt with it for sale at that price that it garnered any awards.

JMO


This is just my opinion and thats all. not trying to put you down or anything so please dotn take it like that.

My uncle and I built hot rods just like those for major shows and the cost to build htem really aint that high. If you look on my racespace you will see an orange 52 Bel Aire that we started to build and he had to finish in part to myself joining the military. The total on that car was only $60,000. Now if you were to subtract the cost of labor from it it would be around the $30,000- $40,000 range. We also built a 50 Mercury that was supposed to go into the Autorama nation wide for less than that. to get into teh Autorama your car has to be accepted into the show the year before. Also trust me on this one just because a car looks nice as those doesnt mean that the quality is there. My uncle and I have seen top quality cars in big shows still have blemishes in the paint and still win the show.

[nvmyvettes]

Thanks Guys for the input ,emails to John and the links to car the sites.

Scrop, the picks of Johns house are from Google Earth.I posted them on there to let John know that if Im able to persue this, legally, he's not hard to find, even if he moves to Florida as mentioned in his Harley AD. Just from reading some of your posts and replies,I believe you do some similar things. Gathering public info and posting it.

My Gripe as you call it.

In Johns answer to mopar and harbone, John said the reason he didnt complete the trade is because my car was misrepresented. In Johns email to me he said his car had problems and he didnt want to send it to me that way.So which is it? And why lie about it? And what really pissed me off was John trying to justify what he did by ragging on my car. John has as many pics of my car as I do.Hell in all my ads theres probably over 30 pics from all angles. If you read the emails we posted back and forth, I had nothing to hide, and was straight forward all the way. I even spent half a day trying to get answers from previous owners, so I could try and answer his questions.
Our agreement as posted earlier was even trade(Cars as discribed) He was to pay to have the Tbird delivered to him, which he did. Driver collected $350.00 for that. I was to pay to have the TBucket delivered to me. When Johns son stated the motor in the TBucket had water in the oil, my car was not even unloaded. Because Johns car was not as discribed. The driver called to ask if I still wanted him to look at the T bucket,I told him there was'nt any use in looking,just bring my car back.

As far as the links that you provided (BTW Thanks) I dont think Johns car has a snow balls chance in hell of winning any of those contest. And if I did have a car that won any of those contest I would provide documentation/Trophies or at least links or pics as proof. It would dam sure help sell the car. However I did read in Johns profile that his favorite drag strip was Summit Dragway. Maybe he won a trophy there. But thats a far cry from Summit Mag's Most Beautiful Roadster.

Then in Johns message to Mopar he stated the car WAS NOT advertised locally. Check the link below

http://www.hoobly.com/0/0/1092559.html

Looks like a local ad to me?

Anyway I am not pissed because we didnt trade. Im pissed that I was screwed out of a $350 shipping fee to get my car back. Anyway you look at its because John lied. I may be wrong wrong but I believe he owes me that.

[THERATTLER]

All this would have been avoided if there had been some kind of plan in place in case one or the other didn't like the trade...seems to me that you both are out the same money as far as shipping goes , mayby it's just me , but I sure as hell would not ship my car off to someone I didn't know and swap it for a car I had never seen,,,just doesn't sound like a very good idea to me...but thats just me......

[nvmyvettes]

New news. After talking to the driver again, he states he did,nt think John was even there. He thinks the guy there was Johns son. Because he made the statement that his brother must have blown the car up. And the drivers helper was told that John was out of town. So WTF? Is this another lie? Does John own the T or does his son? Or was that really John that the driver spoke to? Or better yet is it John or Johns son who I have been dealing with all the long? And is it Johns son who answered Harbone and Mopars emails? I know in one of his emails he said his Dad liked the 31 Roadster I have and wanted to know how much I wanted for it.
Doesnt really change anything I guess. But again why the lies?

[nvmyvettes]

Maniac, I've done a few blind trades,and on (2) I sent my car first. It worked out fine both times because I'm honest and so were the other parties. And I damn sure wouldnt missrepresent my car, then send it first. If this guy was honest it would of worked out fine this time. I sell cars all the time on Ebay and have a 100% score. Around 60 sells/trades total in the last year and a half. Most of them shipped. All satisfied. I guess you could call it luck, but i would like to think it was because of honesty on both parties.
Your right we're both out of the same amount of money. But if this guy was honest, he would have my Bird I would have the Bucket, for the $350.00. But because of his lies Im out of $350.00 for nothing. Im sorry,but that pisses me off.

[DirkaDirka]

Maniac, I've done a few blind trades,and on (2) I sent my car first. It worked out fine both times because I'm honest and so were the other parties. And I damn sure wouldnt missrepresent my car, then send it first. If this guy was honest it would of worked out fine this time. I sell cars all the time on Ebay and have a 100% score. Around 60 sells/trades total in the last year and a half. Most of them shipped. All satisfied. I guess you could call it luck, but i would like to think it was because of honesty on both parties.
Your right we're both out of the same amount of money. But if this guy was honest, he would have my Bird I would have the Bucket, for the $350.00. But because of his lies Im out of $350.00 for nothing. Im sorry,but that pisses me off.

Hey guys look at the bold in this statement. IMO i think that he was hoping to get a better car than what he was trying to trade with and it fell thru. Like I siad this is IMO.

[lively]

LET'S CALL THIS SIMPLY WHAT IT IS -STUPID :? -DUMB- :oops: IGNORANT :evil: -AND--NOT SMART :x !!!!!!!!!-YEARS AGO YOU MIGHT HAVE DEALT THIS WAY-BUT-NOWADAYS -YOU ARE HEADING FOR TROUBLE :cry: :cry:

I FEEL FOR YOUR TERRIBLE LOSS[$350] AND KNOW YOU ARE PROBABLY PISSED OFF BUT I WOULD JUST WALK AWAY AND NOT DO THIS AGAIN 8) 8)

SEND[PAY] SOMEONE IN THAT AREA TO GO LOOK AT A DEAL -BEFORE- YOU SEND YOUR VEHICLE :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

COMMON SINCE GOES ALOOOOOOOOONG WAY :roll: :roll: :roll:

AND BEFORE YOU GO CRAZY ON THIS POSTER -I HAVE BOUGHT AND SOLD FOR ALONG TIME IN ALOT OF PLACES--YOU WIN SOME AND YOU LOSE SOME :oops: :oops: :oops:

SORRY, BUT THAT IS HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS HERE GOINGS ON :roll: :roll:
LIVELY

[nvmyvettes]

Well I guess enough is enough.Ive spent more time in this forum the last couple of days then I have since Ive been a member. But its not much of a fight without the chickensh*t your fighting with being a no show. Like he said he's not worried about it. So as far as Im concerned Im done with this one.I'll suck it up and go on. Thanks ALL for the input

[nvmyvettes]

Dirka Your right when you say I want to come out on a trade. Dont we all. However when you decided to put the one sentence in bold and isolate it, you changed the whole meaning and point of the paragraph. My point once more is that I was out of $350.00 for nothing because of lies.
Your certianly entitled to your own opinion. But you dont know me or my car and you want to acuse me of trying to rip somebody off. My opinion is that your reply is an insult . After reading things posted in this forum for the last year, I thought maybe I would get a little advice as to what to do. But I guess I was wrong.
BTW If all I had to worry about in this world is your opinion,then I aint got JACK S**t to worry about pal.

[nvmyvettes]

Lively You may think STUPID DUMB or what ever. But as I stated I sell on ebay. Almost all of it is blind deals. Going off pics,discriptions,and phone calls. I ship cars all over the US. I also buy. Never had a problem
If you think it BS, do an advance search for sellers on Ebay for (darrellwv)
I have only done about 60 deals but you'll see that my score is 100%. But you know the ironic thing is in a years time of posting on RJ I have manage to trade once, and then theres this deal.

But you are right about one thing. This one is filed under the cost of doing business on line. But I wont stop doing business this way,I just wont do it on here.

[nvmyvettes]

Ive deleted all my ads. Good luck with your scammer persuits.I'll stick with sites that can do something about it.

[lively]

AS IF EBAY WILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:

SORRY YOU CAN NOT GET WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR ON HERE AND YES I CHECKED YOUR EBAY STUFF 8)
THAT HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH THIS GREAT SITE[ AND YES WE HAVE HELPED GET ALOT OF SCAMMERS BUSTED ON HERE AND WILL KEEP DOING IT :shock: :shock:
I STILL STAND BY MY STATEMENT--PAY SOMEONE IN THAT AREA TO CHECK A PERSPECTIVE DEAL OUT AHEAD OF TIME[SAVES ALOT OF FRUSTRATION AND SAVES YOU GETTING UPSET WITH US ON HERE WHEN DEALS DO NOT WORK OUT :oops: :oops: :oops: ]
ALSO DIRKA WAS NOT BEATING ON YOU -ONLY PUTTING FACTS TOGETHER[WE DO TRY AND LOOK AT BOTH SIDES OF THE DEAL :? ]
LIVELY

[THERATTLER]

Ive deleted all my ads. Good luck with your scammer persuits.I'll stick with sites that can do something about it.

I don't know what you wanted someone to "DO ABOUT IT" , the other party is out the same money as you , nobody got scammed , the other party didn't like the deal , ,, so he lied , so what..(not a crime) .if he had sent something to you that you didn't like , you would not have traded either , and nobody else would have either.. if you didn't want someones opinion then why did you come on a forum ,,thats what a forum is , everybodys opinion , whether they side with you or not , its an opinion,,,sorry you didn't get what you were looking for on here ,,,,,Paul

[Scorpion1110]

Maniac, I've done a few blind trades,and on (2) I sent my car first. It worked out fine both times because I'm honest and so were the other parties. And I damn sure wouldnt missrepresent my car, then send it first. If this guy was honest it would of worked out fine this time. I sell cars all the time on Ebay and have a 100% score. Around 60 sells/trades total in the last year and a half. Most of them shipped. All satisfied. I guess you could call it luck, but i would like to think it was because of honesty on both parties.
Your right we're both out of the same amount of money. But if this guy was honest, he would have my Bird I would have the Bucket, for the $350.00. But because of his lies Im out of $350.00 for nothing. Im sorry,but that pisses me off.

Hey guys look at the bold in this statement. IMO i think that he was hoping to get a better car than what he was trying to trade with and it fell thru. Like I siad this is IMO.

Darrell:

We havent heard his side of the story- you are doing all the talking.

And because he hasnt come on here does not make him a bad guy. Maybe you said something that he feels is a lie- but we will never know unless he makes a statement. Perhaps he is "taking the high road on this" as they say.

Bottom line is that if your Bird got there and he felt you misrepresented it, what should he do? Maybe he did just what he should have- split the transit cost.

The fact that he paid half should tell you he's not a thief- else he would have paid none.

You really dont need any advice from this forum- if you feel you were wronged litigate- thats pretty simple.

I just think you really wanted that T - badly and you're disappointed. Thats certainly understandable.

BTW- why does everyone bring up Ebay? They are quite an organization- they force you to use their online pay sevrice for most transactions, dont allow you to leave feedback for buyers and rarely get involved when youve been scammed. If it matters I had over 200 transactions as a Silver Seller, before I termed my account and told them and paypal to shove it.

You are on RJ not Epay- you will NEVER get any help from them- but you will get a form letter from someone named Simon at some point.

BYW- Dirka and Lively are entitled to their opinions- if you dont want to hear them then dont make a post. These guys and others spend their free time trying to help people sort things out- when you give of your time like they do, then you have earned some right to criticize- else say thank you and politely disagree.

Scorp

[nvmyvettes]

WTF Man I tried to close this topic and you guys want to keep it going with your BS. Do you like the drama that much? Its obvious you dont get the point.You have a guy that refuses to come on here and give some answers. I prooved he lied in emails posted. And you want make me look like the bad guy with your stupid comments, "OH YOU JUST WANTED THE T BUCKET AND YOUR JUST DISAPPOINTED", "I SENT A CAR THAT WAS MISREPRSENTED", "SO WHAT JOHN LIED".

Im sure you looked at my profile.If I wanted a F****** T bucket that bad I'd go buy it. I CAN AFFORD IT.

There was no misreprentation on my end at all

A liar is not alright in my book.

ITS THE $350.00 JOHNS LIES COST ME!!!!!!!!

Now if someone will tell me how to close or delete this whole thread, i will gladly do it.

[gungho]

BTW- why does everyone bring up Ebay? They are quite an organization- they force you to use their online pay sevrice for most transactions, dont allow you to leave feedback for buyers and rarely get involved when youve been scammed. If it matters I had over 200 transactions as a Silver Seller, before I termed my account and told them and paypal to shove it.




Ditto!

[nvmyvettes]

The reason I use ebay and other sites is because in a year of being a member on RJ I've traded one car. I guess the old say of NO FREE RIDES applies, even though I pay on here to

PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO DELETE/CLOSE THIS THREAD BEFORE I GET KICKED OFF HERE ALL TOGETHER

[lively]

I talk with the guy(John Miller) for over two weeks on trading.He claim to have 1923T that was built to compete in Summit Mag Most Beautiful Roadster Contest. And he advertises it as the winner. Ad#1695860. I search the net for this competion and couldnt find anything about it.Talk with him at least half a dozen times on the phone and emailed at least ten times.I finally decide to trade but then everytime I get the shipping company scheduled to pick it up John cant be reached. Then finally we get something together and I ship my car to him on 11/24/09. The driver lives in my area and we have become pretty good friends.(He looks out for me on trades) When he gets there with my car,and before unloading it, he ask John if he could inspect the T Bucket. John then procedes to tell him that there was water in the oil and he just discovered it the day before 11/23/09.He didnt bother to call or email me about it.My car didnt leave until 11/24/09 6:00 AM. Maybe John was hoping for a drop off and pick up and go.Lucky for me, it didnt work that way
Howerver it cost me $350.00 to send my car from Milton WV to Sandusky Ohio. And then another $350.00 to get it back.John I really hope you respond to this. I want my $700.00 back .I really think you have lied the whole time. I dont know what your trying to pull, but I will not leave this one alone. I know exactly where you live, and its not that far from me. And for $700.00 I will make the drive.Get the point!!!!


just keeping in case the T BUCKET GUY COMES HERE 8) 8) 8)

[Tod74]

hmmmm

[nvmyvettes]

Here we go with insults again
I dont know who you think your talking to. Im grown.I have five kids. Two in college older than some of you. Three still at home. I do very well for my family. This aint my first rodeo and Im not some dumb ass.

Again the best thing to do is close this thread before it gets out of hand.But thats probably your goal.

[MEMRACING62]

this whole situation is why I hitch the trailer to the truck & check things out myself. I come back with an empty trailer most of the time. only the guy with the t-bucket knows why he backed out of the deal. but him giving two different reasons for sending the car back (blown engine in theT & the trade wasn't as good as he thought it would be) witch one is the truth. john not coming on here and explaining his side of the story leads me to belive he has something to hide.an honest man would not fear telling his side of the story. I would bet he is one of those watching with his status hidden. jmo

[lively]

nvmyvettes--go to your original posts and you will find a delete button--just use it and bam--YOUR words are gone on that posts--except the ones that got 'quoted' ---they stay :?
LIVELY

[blownalky3]

I believe most have missed the point here and this thread has gotten ugly. Every one has a valid point and voiced there opinion. I can personally tell you and most of you will have to agree, that if you do your best to be a straight up no BS person who represents his stuff to the best of his ability and something happens where you feel wronged, it aint about money, it is all about the PRINCIPAL. It is the point of right and wrong and we all have the right to defend ourselves when we feel wronged. And as I have said before, a deal is a deal and your word is your word. Some people need to have a whole lot more character and cash the checks their mouths write.

I also believe as bad as eBay has gotten, there is some value to having a good rating as it shows another part of your business dealings. It certainly does not hurt to consider all possible references

[MEMRACING62]

X2!!

[dragonmaster093]

well heres my 2 cents A. both paid 350 makes it wash B.if motor was bad then you saved yourself a whole nother can of worms C. if paint had issues and the paint cant be made you get new paint job which would be a big plus on your side.

[hollowayshotrods]

Why are you still in here yacking away if you are through with it? You asked for opinions, you got them. There were really no insults thrown until YOU said to Dennis:
"BTW If all I had to worry about in this world is your opinion,then I aint got JACK S**t to worry about pal."

I agree with Scorp, you didn't get the tbucket you really, really wanted because it must have been a nicer ride than yours.

You stated:

[quote="nvmyvettes"]Here we go with insults again
I dont know who you think your talking to. Im grown.I have five kids. Two in college older than some of you. Three still at home. I do very well for my family. This aint my first rodeo and Im not some dumb ass.[quote="nvmyvettes"]

Do you really think anyone in here gives a crap who they are talking to (you). Are you the big man on campus somewhere? You aren't here! WOW, we are so proud that you have five kids, two in college and do quite well for your family. That is very impressive, stick your head out your front door and look around.......This world is full of men that do the same thing you are bragging about. What the hell does having kids and having some age on you mean? It certainly doesn't mean you can't be a dumb ass, agian, look out your front door. If you think this is our first rodeo, well sir, you are mistaken. You wanted the bucket and it pisses you off you didn't get your way. I agreed with you in most instances until you had to attack folks (Dennis,Lively) in a thread that YOU started.
Now go find the site that doesn't let this kind of stuff happen,(lmao) and don't ask for opinions if you can't take the ones you don't like.

If you are so well to do, suck up the $350 and be glad that is all you are out! I now believe the man was trying to get out of the deal for the specific reason he stated, your car wasn't as nice as you said.

I know the game, one week ago yesterday, I had a trade offer for my '69 Camaro. He offered to send the '66 ChevyII down as an even trade for my '69 (sight unseen). The pictures made it look BEAUTIFUL! Thank God I had the good sense to go look at it first.......I still have my Camaro and some guys rust bucket isn't sitting im my garage (again). Now I know why he wanted to trade without seeing my car first, his is junk............hmmmmm.
Same circumstances,,,,,gotta make a man wonder.

BTW, we really do rodeo....Do you? Or do you just like the phrase?

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg231/hollowayshotrods/Jays%20pictures%20RIP%20son/Jay2-1.jpg

[nvmyvettes]

Why are you still in here yacking away if you are through with it?
Answer: BECAUSE IM RIGHT!!!! AND I HATE TO BE DEGRADED BY PEOPLE WHO BASE THERE OPINIONS ON SPECULATIONS,NOT PROOF. ITS BETTER TO REMAIN SILENT AND THOUGHT OF AS A FOOL ,THEN TO OPEN YOUR MOUTH AND REMOVE ALL DOUBT

(Holloway)You asked for opinions, you got them. There were really no insults thrown until YOU said to Dennis:
"BTW If all I had to worry about in this world is your opinion,then I aint got JACK S**t to worry about pal."

ANSWER: HE INSULTED ME WHEN HE ISOLATED PART OF A SENTENCE THAT I WROTE AND CHANGED THE CONTEXT OF THE STATEMENT.ACUSING ME OF TRYING TO GET OVER.

(Holloway)I agree with Scorp, you didn't get the tbucket you really, really wanted because it must have been a nicer ride than yours.

ANSWER: YOUR ANOTHER ONE THAT JUST DONT GET IT. IF YOU THINK ITS ALLRIGHT TO LIE AND COST PEOPLE THEN I CERTIANLY WOULNT WANT TO BUISNESS WITH YOU. AND ONCE MORE IF THE TBUCKET WAS MY ISSUE,IWOULD JUST GO BUY ONE.

(Holloway)You stated:

[quote="nvmyvettes"]Here we go with insults again
I dont know who you think your talking to. Im grown.I have five kids. Two in college older than some of you. Three still at home. I do very well for my family. This aint my first rodeo and Im not some dumb ass.[quote=nvmyvettes]

Do you really think anyone in here gives a crap who they are talking to (you). Are you the big man on campus somewhere? You aren't here! WOW, we are so proud that you have five kids, two in college and do quite well for your family. That is very impressive, stick your head out your front door and look around.......This world is full of men that do the same thing you are bragging about. What the hell does having kids and having some age on you mean? It certainly doesn't mean you can't be a dumb ass, agian, look out your front door. If you think this is our first rodeo, well sir, you are mistaken.

ANSWER: ITS CALLED CREDITALS.IT MAY NOY MEAN ANYTHING IN YOUR WORLD,BUT IT DOES IN MINE. NO IM NOT A BIG MAN ON CAMPUS. JUST SOMEONE WHO BELIEVES IN RIGHT AND WRONG WHICH IS MORE THAN I CAN SAY FOR SOME

(Holloway)You wanted the bucket and it pisses you off you didn't get your way. I agreed with you in most instances until you had to attack folks (Dennis,Lively) in a thread that YOU started.
Now go find the site that doesn't let this kind of stuff happen,(lmao) and don't ask for opinions if you can't take the ones you don't like.

ANSWER: AGAIN IF I WANTED A TBUCKET,I WOULD GO BUY ONE. WHAT PISSES ME OFF IS THE $350 THAT I SPENT BASED ON LIES TOLD BY THE OTHER PARTY. IM SORRY YOU DONT GET IT.
AT LEAST SOME SITES HAVE FEEDBACK SCORES.IMO THATS A HELL OF LOT BETTER THAN WHAT GOES ON HERE SOMETIMES.
OPINIONS BASED ON SPECULATIONS ARE NOT FACTS.THERE SIMPLY GUESSES.IF YOUR GOING TO INSULT SOMEONE BY ACUSEING THEM OF TRYING TO GET OVER, DO IT ON FACTS NOT SPECULATION

(Holloway)If you are so well to do, suck up the $350 and be glad that is all you are out! I now believe the man was trying to get out of the deal for the specific reason he stated, your car wasn't as nice as you said.

ANSWER: AS STATED EARLIER I WILL SUCK IT.THAT DOESNT MEAN I HAVE TO LIKE IT.
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT.BUT AGIAN YOUR OPINION IS BASED ON SPECULATION BECAUSE THE OTHER PARTY REFUSES TO COME ON HERE AND EXPLIAN HIS LIES.AND YOU DONT KNOW ME OR MY CAR,SO AGAIN ANOTHER GUESS. NOT FACTS

(Holloway)I know the game, one week ago yesterday, I had a trade offer for my '69 Camaro. He offered to send the '66 ChevyII down as an even trade for my '69 (sight unseen). The pictures made it look BEAUTIFUL! Thank God I had the good sense to go look at it first.......I still have my Camaro and some guys rust bucket isn't sitting im my garage (again). Now I know why he wanted to trade without seeing my car first, his is junk............hmmmmm.
Same circumstances,,,,,gotta make a man wonder.

ANSWER :THIS IS NOT YOUR CAMARO/CHEVY II TRADE. SOME PEOPLE DONT DO BUSINESS THE WAY YOUR CHEVY II GUY DOES.BUT THEN YOU HAVE SOME THAT DO.YOUR CHEVY II GUY AND THE GUY IM DEALING WITH


(Holloway)BTW, we really do rodeo....Do you? Or do you just like the phrase?

ANSWER: NO I DONT RODEO, AND YES I LIKE THE PHRASE. IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE WITH YOUR SPECULATIONS/GUESSES WHICH ARE INSULTS THERE ANOTHER SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT THE HORSE YOU RODE IN ON

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg231/hollowayshotrods/Jays%20pictures%20RIP%20son/Jay2-1.jpg

[MEMRACING62]

for this thread to make any sence going forward it needs to get back to its original point. this guy did not ask to be screwed out of $350, the other party involved has been invited to share his side of the story & has chose to hide. THAT SAYS A LOT!! as tight as things are now I would be PISSED too.jmo, mike

[nvmyvettes]

for this thread to make any sence going forward it needs to get back to its original point. this guy did not ask to be screwed out of $350, the other party involved has been invited to share his side of the story & has chose to hide. THAT SAYS A LOT!! as tight as things are now I would be PISSED too.jmo, mike

MEM I agree. Unless John comes on here to share his side, this thread is no more than a pissing contest,which is a waste of everyones time, and certianly not my intentions when i started it. My problem is not only the $350.00, but now I have to defend myself on top of that with other posters. Im sorry Im not like John and choose to hide from it all.Im willing to call it a loss on the money,but i will not be degraded,when I know Im right.
Thanks for keeping an open mind.

[lively]

?????? IF YOUR CAR HAULER HAD GOTTEN THERE AND SEEN THIS T BUCKET WAS JUNK!!!AND YOU DECUDED YOU DID NOT WANT IT??? WOULD YOU HAVE PAID THE DRIVER FOR HAULING YOUR CAR BOTH WAYS??? JUST A THOUGHT THAT REALLY NEEDS AN ANSWER :?

NOT CHOOSING SIDES OR BEATING ON YOU -JUST TRYING TO GET ANSWERS
I THINK THE T BUCKET MAN GOT COLD FEET AND BACKED OUT BUT THEN I NEVER SEEN EITHER ONE OF YOUR CARS UP CLOSE 8) 8)
BUT IT IS BETTER TO LOSE $350 THEN TO GET A PIECE OF JUNK IN RETURN[????] RIGHT OR WRONG??

HE DID PAY THE SHIPPING BACK--RIGHT--WITHOUT BEING ASKED***

I THINK BOTH CARS LOOK GREAT IN THE PICS BUT UP CLOSE CAN BE ALOT DIFFERENT :oops: :oops:

LIVELY

[nvmyvettes]

YES I would probably paid twice that to get my car back. Rather than get screwed.

He may have got cold feet,and backed out? But why not just say that? Then go from there instead of making up a story. If the Tbucket was blown up, like John or Johns son originally stated,(Im gonna tell you up front,we found water in the oil yesterday,no use to lie about it.My brother must of took it out and blew it up without dad knowing) then hell yes Im glad I had a driver that ask to inspect it instead of a drop off pick up driver.And yes Im glad I only lost $350 instead of more or even worse ending up with a car with motor problems.

He paid to have the Tbird delivered to him. That was our deal. The driver ask for it when he got there.I paid to have it returned,because of the story about the blown engine.If in fact the engine was blown, and he just found out the day before,again he could have called or emailed me before my car ever left. If it was blown the whole time and he was'nt expecting an inspection before pick up then he was trying to get over.

But if My driver would of called and said John didnt like your car and felt it was missrepresented, then I would have talk to John and ask him how he felt it was missrepresented.If I felt in anyway that I did missrepresent it then I would of paid shipping both ways, no questioned ask.

But I guess we'll never know the answer to this one.He refuses to answer my emails or phone calls.He refuses to get on here and explain.

Like I said Im willing to file this one under doing business on line the way I choose to do it. And like some said, It may seem stupid to do business that way to them. And yes, your asking for trouble by doing it this way.But seriously Ive never had a problem till now. (knock on wood)

I still would love to know the real deal though.

Peace Darrell

[hollowayshotrods]

Darrell,
I feel your pain man! That is how I felt when the guy in NC with the ChevyII stuck it to me last week. What makes you look bad is the way you respond to folks opinions, just because you don't like them is no reason to be defensive. I agree that the tbucket guy looks bad not responding to this thread, I agree I would be pissed about my $350. I also know that you seem to be trying to impress upon us your good character(which I do not doubt) ie: The family man, the provider, the e-bay man, etc etc. My point is , you don't have to hammer away at folks in here to get them to understand or believe, saying too much is as bad as saying nothing sometimes. There are a bunch of sharp knives in the drawer here, I do believe you to be included.
I find it hard to believe that if he was scamming you he would have paid the $350 to the driver, that is a sticking point to me. I suspect the car got there and he thought your car wasn't as nice as his.......I am not saying it is or isn't, I haven't seen either. Possibly he had a cash buyer in the last minutes. Maybe the motor was blown, who knows........
Anyway, hope it all shakes out for you in the future. I learned my "no see" trade lesson from Keith aka traderguy out of Ashland, Ky. I am old school, but I also know the old school ways are pretty much gone unless your deal is local.
BTW, why do you want to f#%^ me and the horse I rode in on? :oops:
Good luck, another btw....You have some damn nice cars in your profile.

[MEMRACING62]

opps wrong thread :oops:

[nvmyvettes]

Holloway, I dont dislike anyone on here. However I am defensive. ( Guilty)
I respect what you guys do on here !!! But when you draw the wrong conclusion/opinion about me and what really happen, then I get defensive. I feel Im right.

As far as the TBucket guy (John Miller) I think he speaks for his self or NOT.

I base all my opinions about people on character. What you do when no ones looking, or in this case not paying attention!!!!

I was simply trying to present all the facts as they unfolded.

There are sharp people on here, and again I respect what you do. But there have been times in the last year of reading your forum, that I disagreed with your opinions. For some, this is one of those times . Im not sorry if it seems defensive, because it is. I feel in some posts it has to be.

As far as Johns real story, I guess none of us will ever know. Ive told my side and more.

In the future, If you ever have any dealings in Ashland, I live about 20 Miles from there.

I dont wont to, and the horse you rode in on. Just defensive.

Thanks for the compliments on the rides.I love cars/bikes/boats or whatever....

Peace Again Darrell

[DirkaDirka]

Holloway, I dont dislike anyone on here. However I am defensive. ( Guilty)
I respect what you guys do on here !!! But when you draw the wrong conclusion/opinion about me and what really happen, then I get defensive. I feel Im right.

As far as the TBucket guy (John Miller) I think he speaks for his self or NOT.

I base all my opinions about people on character. What you do when no ones looking, or in this case not paying attention!!!!

I was simply trying to present all the facts as they unfolded.

There are sharp people on here, and again I respect what you do. But there have been times in the last year of reading your forum, that I disagreed with your opinions. For some, this is one of those times . Im not sorry if it seems defensive, because it is. I feel in some posts it has to be.

As far as Johns real story, I guess none of us will ever know. Ive told my side and more.

In the future, If you ever have any dealings in Ashland, I live about 20 Miles from there.

I dont wont to, and the horse you rode in on. Just defensive.

Thanks for the compliments on the rides.I love cars/bikes/boats or whatever....

Peace Again Darrell


You know everytime that you open your mouth on here it reminds me more and more of LittleHotRod.

He kept saying that he was an honest man and everything you are saying too. Turns out he himself was a scammer. So why do you think that there are people on here that are second guessing your credibity?? JMO

[nvmyvettes]

Man I dont know the LittleHotrod Story. But like I said in my last post, When someone draws the wrong conclusion/opinion about what really went on here, then they ARE second guessing my credibility.I feel then I have to defend that.

Peace Once More
Darrell

[nvmyvettes]

Just checking to see if my signature works

[Scooterz]

myvettes,

This deal is not worth your peace. 350.00 was lost due to a risky choice in my opinion (blind trade). Any deal has the potential to take a dive at any time... like a lottery... it was your time. I am glad you got to keep your car still. If you never find the answer to what really happened, do not loose your peace over it. It is not worth being wronged, then loosing your temper on here at the same time. I have been watching this thread from a distance & I am still curious how the fact the engine being blown came into play right before you guys were ready to close this. Theories are all I am hearing; as the other party is has never showed up. Is he a member here on RJ??? Can we check to see if he has done a read only on this thread/subject?

Anyways, we are pretty good here at looking at BOTH sides of a scam... as many of us have seen a suspect scam complaint be turned around & end up being the posters smoke screen. This is why you are getting some questions & unfavorable answers from the members here. Don't let it get down too much... try to keep your cool. People that FLIP OUT tend to look disparate. This is all my opinion... we have to be open minded or these things do not get worked out sometimes. If you puff your chest, other people will do the same thing. Good luck, Scooter

[MEMRACING62]

scoot, yes he is http://www.racingjunk.com/profile/220636

[nvmyvettes]

Rigs, thanks for your views. I love the peace of mind statement.Thats a hard find sometimes. And your right Ive only lost $350.00 doing business the way I do it. I should concider myself blessed for that .I know the guys on here mean well. And I know they like what they do.I kind of went from pissed to actually kind of enjoying it myself. I was starting to look forward to the next post. Buts it all good now.

Thanks again...Darrell

BTW Did you notice MEM posted link to other parties profile?

Thanks MEM

[Scooterz]

Yep, I just looked at his profile & saw the bucket/pic's. I guess what I am wondering is: being that he is a member, can we know if he has been viewing this thread w/o responding? Is he peeking on here & being silent?

[nvmyvettes]

Is there anyway to tell that? I know every time I log on I look to see who's on here and have never seen his name.

[lively]

and guys---his friends pics need banned :? :? :?
different subject but still STUPID PEOPLE OUT THERE!!!!!!!

[bjuice]

Yep, I just looked at his profile & saw the bucket/pic's. I guess what I am wondering is: being that he is a member, can we know if he has been viewing this thread w/o responding? Is he peeking on here & being silent?

i can see all 8) ... Hidden and un-hidden sign on's..if he has come into the forum it was in and Out when i was asleep :D ..but he is NOT signing on and monitoring if that answers any questions

[nvmyvettes]

?????? Who's friends?

[bjuice]

No-one in particular its just a feature on the classifieds to where people can request to be your friend that views Your Profile ( sort of like the letters sent back in 4th grade..Do you like me Check YES or NO ...lmao :D ......some are offended by the provacative woman who show Tits etc that some post on their profile.

i will stand silent on the issue since i am responsible for the forum only... :roll:

[nvmyvettes]

I just switched mine to private.I dont want to get anyone in trouble.I accept everyone as a friend and have requested some.And will continue unless they do something to me.To each his own.

[Scorpion1110]

Hey John, nice spread

http://s587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/nvmyvettes/John%20Miller/?action=view&current=JohnMiller.jpg

http://s587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/nvmyvettes/John%20Miller/?action=view&current=JohnMiller02.jpg

http://s587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/nvmyvettes/John%20Miller/?action=view&current=JohnMiller01.jpg

Could this be the infamos Most Beautiful Roadster sitting outside your ranch

http://s587.photobucket.com/albums/ss320/nvmyvettes/John%20Miller/?action=view&current=Johnmiller03.jpg

Stamped.

Scorp

[mopar1968]

winner most beautiful roadster/summit mag.car
.
$18,000.00
I tried to do a trade on this car, but the other car was not the same quality as my car, the value just was not their. I did pay for half of the shipping cost and sent it back. I never said it was a bad car, just not the same show quality as my car, I learned my lesson.

Sorry the car is now for sale ONLY unless its a local trade, or you are willing to absorb all of the cost. SORRY.
Above Added: Wed November 25, 2009, 3:18 pm EST
priced reduced,
Above Added: Sun November 1, 2009, 4:36 pm EST
I do have the mounts and headers
to install a 454 or 468 chevy motor
every thing else mounts up . The transmission was built hold up to a 1,000 horsepower motor

Professionally built
the build tag is still attached to the rear of the car.
The starter and torque converter are also new
Above Added: Tue October 27, 2009, 7:30 pm EST
This car was built to compete in the california most beautiful roadster contest, featured in summit auto book, and also pictured in street trucking magazine.
I just put in a 355 chevy small block, with a mild cam, lifters, new timing chain & gears, new intake ,650 holley, new headers & Mufflers , Pistons and crank were balanced. Automatic
This car gets attention every where you go, always draws a crowd.This car is More fun than having sex..
Tons of chrome and Brass. The ghost flame paint job can only be seen in the right light , This roadster has a door that opens, If you NEVER had a T Bucket before, get one with a door that opens,even if you don't buy mine, this is good advice. This is my 3rd and best one.
Titled as a 1923t pickup. Top is removable. This is a blast to drive, runs great drives straight
now the bad news it does
need a new windshield, this one has a crack in it,I plan on putting a split (fold down)windshield in it. a passing
The radiator alone cost over 1600 dollars
the headlights alone cost almost 500 dollars. their was a lot of money put into this car.
email address [email protected]

[nvmyvettes]

I am sorry for the way things turned out, I had a problem with my car and I did not want to send it to you like that. But, the T bird was rough, it needed a paint job the interior was rough and faded, the head liner was falling out, the
door hinges sagged and the plastic windows did not line up, the door sills had all the paint worn off, the chrome needed re done or polished, the body was very wavy, again I apologise but My t bucket is like new and needed nothing but a windshield,. thanks john

On [2009-11-21 10:17:45] nvmyvettes wrote:
> I been calling the trucking guy all morning.No answer.Im driving out to his house now. Will get back to you shortly
>
> On [2009-11-21 10:00:47] john1923t wrote:
> > is that t bird on the truck yet? will I get to drive it before it snows?
> >
> > On [2009-11-20 18:17:41] nvmyvettes wrote:
> > > I see you still got the T. I still have the bird. Man I hate that we couldnt get something together. The guy from the trucking company got a little irritated because I caused him two trips he wasnt planing on taking. But I talk to him yesterday and he's alright now. He still manage to make money without hauling our cars.I look at the pics your bucket about once a day.I've been offered two other Ts. They were nice, but I dont think they were as nice as yours.They had Blowers but no chrome or brass.I think thats what makes yours.

[Scorpion1110]

Mopar-

I get an interesting PM from another RJ user about a friend of ours.

Check your PMs :)

Scorp

[mopar1968]

So have I, Checked them.

[CustomTanks]

This is so much Bullzhit just get over it